Younis Khan: A better Test batsman than Rahul Dravid?

[Tera Gawaandi]

Younus Khan is more comparable to Jacques Kallis. Both have accumulated runs with least amount of memorable knocks. Both are very boring to watch. There was some class even in Dravid's defense. And who can forget his late cuts, pulls and cover drives.

 

[octavian]

lol @ Dravid not being boring as hell

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

Anyways 100 Test is too short a career to be compared with other modern greats who have played 170+ Tests.

Ponting, Sachin, Dravid all averaged 60~ after 100 Tests and against better bowlers on different pitches with different bats. Younus can never match the peak of Dravid and Ponting circa 2005.

Younus is strictly a Pakistani Great.

 

[MRSN]

By which statistics? Raina has a higher average, more hundreds, more fifties and has played more ODI matches.

Batting at 6 I mean..

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

There are only 3 Top tier ATG batsmen - Sachin, Lara and Ponting.

Dravid, Kallis, Sanga, KP, Clarke, G. Smith are next in order, who are just Modern Greats. KP was most talented among these.

Younus will join them if he continues this form for at-least 40 more Tests, he will become a Modern Great. Right now, Younus stature is similar to Mahela Jayawardene.

 

[octavian]

100 tests is not a short career by any stretchof imagination.

How would Younis do in a career spanning 150+ tests, is purely speculation. He could average 58 after 150 tests or he could average 48. We can only consider the facts at hand.

A Pakistani great, who might end up better than or at least equal to Dravid, sure.

 

[Executioner]

There are only 3 Top tier ATG batsmen - Sachin, Lara and Ponting.

Dravid, Kallis, Sanga, KP, Clarke, G. Smith are next in order, who are just Modern Greats. KP was most talented among these.

Younus will join them if he continues this form for at-least 40 more Tests, he will become a Modern Great. Right now, Younus stature is similar to Mahela Jayawardene.

No offence but I think you are just a kid. Surely, you have seen a bit of Gilchrist, Viv Richards, Steve Waugh? No? Probably before your time but there are a lot batsman who were better than Clarke and Graeme Smith. The former could have been an ATG had it not been for injury and the latter too retired a tad bit too early.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

No offence but I think you are just a kid. Surely, you have seen a bit of Gilchrist, Viv Richards, Steve Waugh? No? Probably before your time but there are a lot batsman who were better than Clarke and Graeme Smith. The former could have been an ATG had it not been for injury and the latter too retired a tad bit too early.

Viv and Waugh retired long time ago, this list is relatively modern batsmen. Even Gilly's retirement seems ages ago. See the context. We are comparing Younus to his contemporaries.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

No offence but I think you are just a kid. Surely, you have seen a bit of Gilchrist, Viv Richards, Steve Waugh? No? Probably before your time but there are a lot batsman who were better than Clarke and Graeme Smith. The former could have been an ATG had it not been for injury and the latter too retired a tad bit too early.

I started watch cricket in 1989 and have followed careers of Sachin, Ponting from debut to retirement.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

My ratings for batsmen who debuted in 90s (Sachin, Lara and Shiv are exception due to majority of their career in 90s and 00s) -

Tier 1 (All Time Greats) = Sachin, Ponting, Lara

Tier 2 (Modern Greats) = Kallis, Dravid, Sangakkara, Smith, KP, ABDV, Hayden, Gilchrist

Tier 3 (Country Greats)= Mahela, Cook, Amla, Chanderpaul, Younus, Clarke, Inzimam, VVS, Yousuf, Sehwag, Arvinda

Tier 4 (Good Batsmen) = Strauss, Gambhir, Bell, McCullum, Vaughan, Ganguly, Ranatunga

Might have forgotten few OZs, they have produced so many greats, its tough to name them all.

 

[Buffet]

Younus Khan is more comparable to Jacques Kallis. Both have accumulated runs with least amount of memorable knocks. Both are very boring to watch. There was some class even in Dravid's defense. And who can forget his late cuts, pulls and cover drives.

You may have seen more of Dravid but hardly means that Kallis has not played memorable knocks. You don't have a series win in SA and that was mainly due to Kallis.

 

[as-95]

There are only 3 Top tier ATG batsmen - Sachin, Lara and Ponting.

Dravid, Kallis, Sanga, KP, Clarke, G. Smith are next in order, who are just Modern Greats. KP was most talented among these.

Younus will join them if he continues this form for at-least 40 more Tests, he will become a Modern Great. Right now, Younus stature is similar to Mahela Jayawardene.

Typical stomach ache and double standards by an Indian poster. You say that Yonus cannot join the so called Tier 2 of greats until he plays atleast 40 more Tests. AT LEAST! In other words, he must play 141 matches to be considered in the same tier. 4 of the 6 players that you named in the so called tier (that Younus cannot join until he plays 141 matches) haven't played that many either. That just demonstrates your agenda and "anyone but Pakistani" mentality. It is embarrassing and you need to get out of that mindset. Whether you like it or not, Younus is a supreme Test player and he can stake a claim as being arguably on the same level(or better than) Rahil Dravid.

 

[Sachin136]

Typical stomach ache and double standards by an Indian poster. You say that Yonus cannot join the so called Tier 2 of greats until he plays atleast 40 more Tests. AT LEAST! In other words, he must play 141 matches to be considered in the same tier. 4 of the 6 players that you named in the so called tier (that Younus cannot join until he plays 141 matches) haven't played that many either. That just demonstrates your agenda and "anyone but Pakistani" mentality. It is embarrassing and you need to get out of that mindset. Whether you like it or not, Younus is a supreme Test player and he can stake a claim as being arguably on the same level(or better than) Rahil Dravid.

Please read sentences entirely and do not just cherry pick words. He said "if he continues this form for at-least 40 more Tests". Just playing 140 tests means nothing, but if he can carry on this form for these many more tests than he can be considered to be a borderlne ATG (according to that poster).

"Whether you like it or not, Younus is a supreme Test player and he can stake a claim as being arguably on the same level(or better than) Rahil Dravid."

Any evidence for this or should be believe you just because you said it?

 

[Sadevdesai]

Surprised no one has claimed that YK is better than Bradman … why not … 171 not out !!! Hmmm ..

 

[#GreenRoars]

You may have seen more of Dravid but hardly means that Kallis has not played memorable knocks. You don't have a series win in SA and that was mainly due to Kallis.

May be that's why he is not considering him

 

[octavian]

Please read sentences entirely and do not just cherry pick words. He said "if he continues this form for at-least 40 more Tests". Just playing 140 tests means nothing, but if he can carry on this form for these many more tests than he can be considered to be a borderlne ATG (according to that poster).

"Whether you like it or not, Younus is a supreme Test player and he can stake a claim as being arguably on the same level(or better than) Rahil Dravid."

Any evidence for this or should be believe you just because you said it?

See post number 160. It's not big enough so its easy to miss

 

[Batman_DB]

good joke

 

[ads101]

My ratings for batsmen who debuted in 90s (Sachin, Lara and Shiv are exception due to majority of their career in 90s and 00s) -

Tier 1 (All Time Greats) = Sachin, Ponting, Lara

Tier 2 (Modern Greats) = Kallis, Dravid, Sangakkara, Smith, KP, ABDV, Hayden, Gilchrist

Tier 3 (Country Greats)= Mahela, Cook, Amla, Chanderpaul, Younus, Clarke, Inzimam, VVS, Yousuf, Sehwag, Arvinda

Tier 4 (Good Batsmen) = Strauss, Gambhir, Bell, McCullum, Vaughan, Ganguly, Ranatunga

Might have forgotten few OZs, they have produced so many greats, its tough to name them all.

Are we just taking in batting because otherwise no way Gilchrist and Kallis are not tier one if you take into account their bowling/keeping.

I don't think KP deserves to be in tier 2, would drop him to tier 3. An ATG standard performer for first half of his career, mostly good in the latter half.

Not sure I'd put ABDV there in tier 2 atm (if we just consider tests), but he'll probably be there at the finish of his career. Then again maybe I underrate him as he was playing with Kallis and Smith and a lot of people hogging the spotlight.

 

[Buffet]

May be that's why he is not considering him

Your comment may be a light one but it's true. Many fans mainly remember knocks if a player helps his team to do well and tend to forget performances by other players. Not true for all fans but you are likely to remember performances if you have good memories associated with it.

Just talking relatively here because most of us will remember Dravid+VVS knock against great Aus side, Wasim two magic balls in WC, Ambrose blowing Aus after getting angry, Faf defensive knocks to avoid defeat and so on...

 

[srh]

Not a competition anymore. YK is easily better and in a different class.

 

[junaid.ahmed]

Typical stomach ache and double standards by an Indian poster. You say that Yonus cannot join the so called Tier 2 of greats until he plays atleast 40 more Tests. AT LEAST! In other words, he must play 141 matches to be considered in the same tier. 4 of the 6 players that you named in the so called tier (that Younus cannot join until he plays 141 matches) haven't played that many either. That just demonstrates your agenda and "anyone but Pakistani" mentality. It is embarrassing and you need to get out of that mindset. Whether you like it or not, Younus is a supreme Test player and he can stake a claim as being arguably on the same level(or better than) Rahil Dravid.

so what were you expecting from an indian

O bhai if there would be a comparison b/w miandad & kambli these indian will prove kambli > miandad & some of our so called secular will also join that party

 

[junaid.ahmed]

Younis is much better than dravid

 

[Sachin136]

so what were you expecting from an indian

O bhai if there would be a comparison b/w miandad & kambli these indian will prove kambli > miandad & some of our so called secular will also join that party

Honestly Vinod Kambli was ridiculously talented. Indiscipline and some issues with the short ball got the better of him...

However if we are considering entire careers than obviously Miandad is a better batsman. Please start a thread and count the number of Indians who say that Kambli is a better batsman than Miandad considering their entire career.

 

[WrexEverything]

Would say Younis is in the Dravid-Kallis tier now. But what hurts his perception is the comparatively fewer number of tests he's played away from the SC. The reason Dravid was revered so much was because he produced many great performances overseas. younis has the ability to do that but the scheduling prevents it. He has hardly even toured places like Australia.

 

[junaid.ahmed]

Honestly Vinod Kambli was ridiculously talented. Indiscipline and some issues with the short ball got the better of him...

However if we are considering entire careers than obviously Miandad is a better batsman. Please start a thread and count the number of Indians who say that Kambli is a better batsman than Miandad considering their entire career.

are you sure???? let me inform you again kambli was an indian, I am sure you're not mixing him with srilankans & he was friend of your batting god too, once they both scored around thousand runs in a school match, he had almost save the semifinal single handedly but crowd disturbance changed the result thus he start weeping on umpire's decision.

Above are some eclipses of his career & I am sure you will change your decision

 

[brute]

so what were you expecting from an indian

O bhai if there would be a comparison b/w miandad & kambli these in hudian will prove kambli > miandad & some of our so called secular will also join that party

And if there is a comparison between Sachin and Inzy trolls like you would prove inzy > sachin

 

[sivaji]

My ratings for batsmen who debuted in 90s (Sachin, Lara and Shiv are exception due to majority of their career in 90s and 00s) -

Tier 1 (All Time Greats) = Sachin, Ponting, Lara

Tier 2 (Modern Greats) = Kallis, Dravid, Sangakkara, Smith, KP, ABDV, Hayden, Gilchrist

Tier 3 (Country Greats)= Mahela, Cook, Amla, Chanderpaul, Younus, Clarke, Inzimam, VVS, Yousuf, Sehwag, Arvinda

Tier 4 (Good Batsmen) = Strauss, Gambhir, Bell, McCullum, Vaughan, Ganguly, Ranatunga

Might have forgotten few OZs, they have produced so many greats, its tough to name them all.

LOL.. Amla and Clarke are better than most of those players in the tier 3 by a fair margin for example Cook, Aravinda, Mahela etc. Amla has an amazing record around the world and is a better batsman than KP and Hayden.

For me
Sachin, Lara
Ponting, Kallis, Dravid
Amla, AB, KP, Clarke, Smieth, Younus, Inzi (AB and Amla may move up to next tier in 5 years)
Sehwag, Cook. Sehwag maybe deserves to go up a tier.

 

[junaid.ahmed]

And if there is a comparison between Sachin and Inzy trolls like you would prove inzy > sachin

yes this can be a comparable scenario no matter of 60/40 but it can exist as inzy is one of the best batsman of his period in ODIs & in tests too, its not like that inzy is thousands miles behind from your god BUT i am sure you peoples can defend kambli ag Miandad

 

[Captain_Obvious]

Younis Khan is the worst and most pathetic batsman to score 30 centuries in test cricket just like how Harbhajan Singh was the worst to take 400 test wickets

 

[Captain_Obvious]

In all seriousness Pakistan fans need to calm down.From their reaction it appears that they would start calling Yk better than tendulkar if he scores a 50 in England next year

Dravid is way ahead of YK in every department.Be it ability,temperament or impact.All that against better quality attack.
Yk is a great batsman but he will always be in the Cook, Clarke etc category.

Tier 1- SRT, lara, Ponting
Tier 2- kallis, sanga, dravid
Tier 3 - YK, Cook, Clarke, KP

 

[Captain_Obvious]

Anyway... YK is going to fail badly next year in Pakistan's overseas assignments so the few posters who have lied to themselves today will be embarassed and forced to change their tunes once again

 

[Executioner]

I started watch cricket in 1989 and have followed careers of Sachin, Ponting from debut to retirement.

I apologize then. TBH Waugh and Gily did plays in the late 90s and early part of the century.

 

[Executioner]

I think both are modern greats in Tests but I would put Rahul Dravid ahead. Yes YK scored a lot of match winning knocks but a key focus for Dravid is the number of matches he saved for India. There were times when India where faving innings deafeat

 

[Mamoon]

Younis Khan is the worst and most pathetic batsman to score 30 centuries in test cricket just like how Harbhajan Singh was the worst to take 400 test wickets

He is easily a better Test batsman than Hayden and Jayawardene.

 

[Sherlock]

Dravid is a special player. YK is a great Test player but if I had a choice and I wanted a batsmen to dig me out of the trouble my team was in, I'd want Dravid.

Not saying YK couldn't do that, just prefer Dravid.

Both great Tests players though.

 

[MMHS]

Stats hardly can separate these 2 players. Apparently, Rahul looks much better player for style, technique & straight bat defense. I think, on pure batting merit Dravid is better than many others of his contemporary. But then, YK has some serious guts & mental toughness - from the debut Test, for most part of his career, he had performed when the get going tough. One advantage Rahul had is that IND plays lot more Test & from 2001 to 2005 when he was probably at his prime, he could play almost 60-70 Tests at an average of 60+, in contrast, YK missed some of his golden years between 2006 to 2010.

I think, as an individual batsman, I 'll put Rahul, a bit higher; but YK 'll have a special position in my ranking. He is, in Test matches, someone like what Javed was in ODI - stubborn fighter & the go to man in crisis. YK's runs were relatively more valuable to his team's cause than Rahuls, but they played for different team with different batting capability. One telling difference is probably, YK is slightly better spin player, but Rahul is miles a head against swing & seeming ball; while none of them is probably that good against genuine pace. Cricket media plays it's role - YK is probably one of the most unsung player in cricket world & hardly mentioned in any discussions, but he averages 54+, probably close to 50 in every order of innings & easily the best Asian player in 4th innings of a Test match.

I put it this way, Rahul is a better No. 3 while YK is a better No. 4/5; but in Test cricket, No. 3 is the most crucial position, hence Rahul 'll get my vote. In ODI, our Mahmudullah 'll compete with YK & probably 'll ..................

 

[Acricketfan]

Stats hardly can separate these 2 players. Apparently, Rahul looks much better player for style, technique & straight bat defense. I think, on pure batting merit Dravid is better than many others of his contemporary. But then, YK has some serious guts & mental toughness - from the debut Test, for most part of his career, he had performed when the get going tough. One advantage Rahul had is that IND plays lot more Test & from 2001 to 2005 when he was probably at his prime, he could play almost 60-70 Tests at an average of 60+, in contrast, YK missed some of his golden years between 2006 to 2010.

I think, as an individual batsman, I 'll put Rahul, a bit higher; but YK 'll have a special position in my ranking. He is, in Test matches, someone like what Javed was in ODI - stubborn fighter & the go to man in crisis. YK's runs were relatively more valuable to his team's cause than Rahuls, but they played for different team with different batting capability. One telling difference is probably, YK is slightly better spin player, but Rahul is miles a head against swing & seeming ball; while none of them is probably that good against genuine pace. Cricket media plays it's role - YK is probably one of the most unsung player in cricket world & hardly mentioned in any discussions, but he averages 54+, probably close to 50 in every order of innings & easily the best Asian player in 4th innings of a Test match.

I put it this way, Rahul is a better No. 3 while YK is a better No. 4/5; but in Test cricket, No. 3 is the most crucial position, hence Rahul 'll get my vote. In ODI, our Mahmudullah 'll compete with YK & probably 'll ..................

I agree with your entire post except for the bolded part. Sunil Gavaskar deserves that title.

 

[IndianWillow]

Stats hardly can separate these 2 players. Apparently, Rahul looks much better player for style, technique & straight bat defense. I think, on pure batting merit Dravid is better than many others of his contemporary. But then, YK has some serious guts & mental toughness - from the debut Test, for most part of his career, he had performed when the get going tough. One advantage Rahul had is that IND plays lot more Test & from 2001 to 2005 when he was probably at his prime, he could play almost 60-70 Tests at an average of 60+, in contrast, YK missed some of his golden years between 2006 to 2010.

I think, as an individual batsman, I 'll put Rahul, a bit higher; but YK 'll have a special position in my ranking. He is, in Test matches, someone like what Javed was in ODI - stubborn fighter & the go to man in crisis. YK's runs were relatively more valuable to his team's cause than Rahuls, but they played for different team with different batting capability. One telling difference is probably, YK is slightly better spin player, but Rahul is miles a head against swing & seeming ball; while none of them is probably that good against genuine pace. Cricket media plays it's role - YK is probably one of the most unsung player in cricket world & hardly mentioned in any discussions, but he averages 54+, probably close to 50 in every order of innings & easily the best Asian player in 4th innings of a Test match.

I put it this way, Rahul is a better No. 3 while YK is a better No. 4/5; but in Test cricket, No. 3 is the most crucial position, hence Rahul 'll get my vote. In ODI, our Mahmudullah 'll compete with YK & probably 'll ..................

This is probably true of any batsman in test history. No batsman likes to face genuine fast bowling really. Openers and #3 batsmen usually have the unenviable task of facing most hostile spells and sometimes fail and get labelled for their weakness against express pace. But #4,5 batsmen rarely ever need to take on fully hostile and genuine pace - they may face genuine pace bowlers and even enjoy success against them, but they do not face as much challenge compared to #1,2,3 batsmen.

 

[MMHS]

I agree with your entire post except for the bolded part. Sunil Gavaskar deserves that title.

Actually, my post was for contemporary players, batsmen debuting in last 25-30 years. Gavasker indeed was an outstanding 4th innings player & though the sample size is very small, both Hanif & Asif Iqbal as well.

 

[Cricket-passion]

Dravid still better. But in Tests id say YK has surpassed Inzi and Moyo. And is pretty close to surpassing Miandad. If Younus can get to 10k 35 tons he will be our undisputed greatest test bat

Miandad and Inzi will always remain on the top for their match winning abilities. Miandad faced better attack all over the world than even Dravid. Back then even Indians had some world class bowlers. Inzi is recently put in the top ten batsmen by wisden with the most impact on a test match's result. That list does not even have Viv Richards and no Tendulkar, not to speak of Dravid.

 

[Hitman]

Miandad and Inzi will always remain on the top for their match winning abilities. Miandad faced better attack all over the world than even Dravid. Back then even Indians had some world class bowlers. Inzi is recently put in the top ten batsmen by wisden with the most impact on a test match's result. That list does not even have Viv Richards and no Tendulkar, not to speak of Dravid.

Never mind the fact that Miandad averaged 29 odd against the best team of his time, the West Indies. As for WISDEN, Sachin was rated the 2nd greatest Test and ODI batsman ever by WISDEN in 2002. Even when WISDEN recently selected it's 'World XI', Sachin made it, not even Imran Khan did.

 

[Hitman]

Never mind the fact that Miandad averaged 29 odd against the best team of his time, the West Indies. As for WISDEN, Sachin was rated the 2nd greatest Test and ODI batsman ever by WISDEN in 2002. Even when WISDEN recently selected it's 'World XI', Sachin made it, not even Imran Khan did.

Sachin in WISDEN's 'World XI' - http://www.espncricinfo.com/sachinfarewell/content/story/682397.html

 

[Hitman]

Miandad and Inzi will always remain on the top for their match winning abilities. Miandad faced better attack all over the world than even Dravid. Back then even Indians had some world class bowlers. Inzi is recently put in the top ten batsmen by wisden with the most impact on a test match's result. That list does not even have Viv Richards and no Tendulkar, not to speak of Dravid.

Tendulkar second best ever: WISDEN - http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2002/dec/13wisden.htm

 

[Bilal7]

Younis is yet to reach the level of Gavasker, Miandad, Dravid, Kallis, and Sanga.

IMO, he'll get there if he does well on our three tours next year. That would be an average of 45+ with two-three centuries. It also depends on how the other batsmen around him do, however.

 

[Acricketfan]

) potw

 

[Alizai]

He is a better test batsman than Laxman, Dravid and Ganguly for sure


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[Fallen King]

Younus Khan feasted on the dead track where Shoaib Malik was able to score double century for fun not long ago. On the other hand, Rahul Dravid is reported the best Indian batsman [including Tendulkar] in overseas by margin. Not much of comparison. Rahul Dravid is real legend by world's standard whereas Younus Khan is fake legend by Pakistan's standard.

 

[Abdul]

Younis Khan is nowhere in the league of Rahul Dravid and Kumar Sangakkara.

 

[BeautifulGame]

Well atleast this isn't as embarrassing a comparison as the Inzamam is better than Sachin threads

YK is clearly a great.Problem with rating him alongside the likes of Dravid or Pointing is he has so few away tests in his career compared to them.

He made his debut in late 90s and has yet only played only 3 tests in Aus if I am not mistaken .So its hard to compare him to someone like Dravid who has played 15 tests in the same period in Australia

 

[TeymurBlake]

As a Pakistan Fan No. Dravid was better but just slightly Dravid and Younis are both very similar but also very different. Yes both batsman can build innings for there respective nations but Dravid takes his time (theres a reason why the called him the wall) whereas Younis is more aggresive.

 

[Cricket-passion]

Never mind the fact that Miandad averaged 29 odd against the best team of his time, the West Indies. As for WISDEN, Sachin was rated the 2nd greatest Test and ODI batsman ever by WISDEN in 2002. Even when WISDEN recently selected it's 'World XI', Sachin made it, not even Imran Khan did.

The list is called "batsmen with most impact on a test match result". Sachin did not make it. Inzi made it.

 

[Cricket-passion]

Younis Khan is nowhere in the league of Rahul Dravid and Kumar Sangakkara.

A blanket statement, end of discussion, but, stats show a different picture as Younis is nowhere lesser than the two.

 

[Bilal7]

There is very little to separate great players from each. Younis and Dravid as certainly in the same league but the latter is better right now because of his better away record. Like I said before, a good 2016 for Khan will make him a bonafide ATG player.

 

[cricketjoshila]

A blanket statement, end of discussion, but, stats show a different picture as Younis is nowhere lesser than the two.

Stats also show that YK has not played in ENG AUS since 2006.Thats 10 years.

Stats also show that since 2007 YK has only played 2 series outside Asia.He failed miserably in one of them.

If Dravid only played in Asia for 9 years striaght he would be avging in 60s.

 

[Ab Fan]

Rahul Dravid greatness is beyond stats.He was the most gutsiest batsmen Indian cricket ever saw.Forget Younis, it would take something for Amla or ABDV to become a better test batsmen than Dravid.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Rahul Dravid greatness is beyond stats.He was the most gutsiest batsmen Indian cricket ever saw.

That would be Jimmy Amarnath.

 

[Ab Fan]

That would be Jimmy Amarnath.

Yup...I just forgotten him. Clearly this tag goes to him.A very underrated player.

 

[Pete Rose]

There is very little to separate great players from each. Younis and Dravid as certainly in the same league but the latter is better right now because of his better away record. Like I said before, a good 2016 for Khan will make him a bonafide ATG player.

Yes, agree with this. It's a pity that it's coming so late in his career. The cards are decked against him at his age.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Sorry to say, but Khan sahab is nowhere near Dravid.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

YK id take over anyone in history in UAE conditions. But away against quality seam and swing bowling its dravid not oven close. Overall dravid is better

 

[axl100mph]

Younis > dravid> tendulkar

 

[Mamoon]

Not interested in stats. Younis is one of the most cowardly batsman I have seen against pace. Dravid is a legend.

 

[axl100mph]

Not interested in stats. Younis is one of the most cowardly batsman I have seen against pace. Dravid is a legend.

You arent as objective a poster as I thought you were, as I see that your blind hate usually clowds your judgement.
He isnt cowardly, just has poor reflexes and a lack of ability.
Call him arrogant, deluded and big headed but calling him a coward is pure injustice to him.
If he were a coward, he wouldnt be bracing for the upcoming tours when it is clear that he cant play the short ball.
cowards dont boast a GOAT record in the 4th innings of tests.

If you want to know, who a coward is, look no further than your favourite

A batsman is a coward if he fails to come forward after being peppered with short deliveries.
Younis and misbah are poor players of pace but they dont stay back. They were peppered with the same amount of short deliveries that malik was and unlike them, he was rooted to his crease and got badly worked over by wood.
That bowled dismissal in the second test was an embarrassment for a test no. 3

 

[#GreenRoars]

Currently Dravid better, but if YK performs better in 2016 away conditions, i will rate him above Dravid.

 

[Mamoon]

You arent as objective a poster as I thought you were, as I see that your blind hate usually clowds your judgement.
He isnt cowardly, just has poor reflexes and a lack of ability.
Call him arrogant, deluded and big headed but calling him a coward is pure injustice to him.
If he were a coward, he wouldnt be bracing for the upcoming tours when it is clear that he cant play the short ball.
cowards dont boast a GOAT record in the 4th innings of tests.

If you want to know, who a coward is, look no further than your favourite

A batsman is a coward if he fails to come forward after being peppered with short deliveries.
Younis and misbah are poor players of pace but they dont stay back. They were peppered with the same amount of short deliveries that malik was and unlike them, he was rooted to his crease and got badly worked over by wood.
That bowled dismissal in the second test was an embarrassment for a test no. 3

Yes you clearly forgot how he ducked the last tour of Australia because 'his feelings were hurt'.

Btw, I have never said Malik is a good player of pace. Don't put words in my mouth.

Younis' trigger movement is tailor-made for spinners and he is not capable of adjusting to pacers. He stays too low in his crease and is troubled by any delivery that bounces above waist height. Not to mention his poor judgement of where his off-stump is.

Misbah is technically better equipped to handle pacers but he doesn't have a good front-foot stride unlike Younis, which makes him an LBW candidate. His balance is much better than Younis, which is why he can hit those big booming sixes over long-on unlike Younis, who can barely middle 4-5 balls in an innings.

 

[axl100mph]

Yes you clearly forgot how he ducked the last tour of Australia because 'his feelings were hurt'.

Btw, I have never said Malik is a good player of pace. Don't put words in my mouth.

Younis' trigger movement is tailor-made for spinners and he is not capable of adjusting to pacers. He stays too low in his crease and is troubled by any delivery that bounces above waist height. Not to mention his poor judgement of where his off-stump is.

Misbah is technically better equipped to handle pacers but he doesn't have a good front-foot stride unlike Younis, which makes him an LBW candidate. His balance is much better than Younis, which is why he can hit those big booming sixes over long-on unlike Younis, who can barely middle 4-5 balls in an innings.

When did I say that younis is very well equipped to play pace?
He is poor against it and you defined the technicalities.

But his ill equipment doesnt mean he is cowardly.
He didnt back out of that 2010 tour bcoz of being scared n all that crap you believe.

He had his issues with and the oathgate surfaced then.

We all know how volatile a personality he is but to say that he backed out and went fishing because he was scared of failure is delusion of the highest order.

If he was so shrewd then why did he make himself available in the odi's, a format he is weaker at?

Such shrewd decisions are associated with malik, not younis

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[Pete Rose]

You arent as objective a poster as I thought you were, as I see that your blind hate usually clowds your judgement.
He isnt cowardly, just has poor reflexes and a lack of ability.
Call him arrogant, deluded and big headed but calling him a coward is pure injustice to him.
If he were a coward, he wouldnt be bracing for the upcoming tours when it is clear that he cant play the short ball.
cowards dont boast a GOAT record in the 4th innings of tests.

If you want to know, who a coward is, look no further than your favourite

A batsman is a coward if he fails to come forward after being peppered with short deliveries.
Younis and misbah are poor players of pace but they dont stay back. They were peppered with the same amount of short deliveries that malik was and unlike them, he was rooted to his crease and got badly worked over by wood.
That bowled dismissal in the second test was an embarrassment for a test no. 3

Younis avergaes 31.2 against all pacebowlers away from Pakistan and UAE. That's not a great stat

 

[Pete Rose]

Currently Dravid better, but if YK performs better in 2016 away conditions, i will rate him above Dravid.

He will close the gap but still won't be better simply because dravid played away more than yk. The only way to close that kind of gap is to put up series topping run aggregate that results in victory for Pakistan.

 

[axl100mph]

Younis avergaes 31.2 against all pacebowlers away from Pakistan and UAE. That's not a great stat

When did I say, he is a great player of pace?
Your comprehension seems to be off.
I was arguing against mamoon who called him cowardly. Being ill equipped is different to being cowardly.

Moyo and inzi had twice of younis' ability but they used to hide at 5,6 whenever they got the opportunity as captain. Not the case with younis who would not even call for a night watchman.
Poor player of pace; yes
Coward; no

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[Mamoon]

When did I say that younis is very well equipped to play pace?
He is poor against it and you defined the technicalities.

But his ill equipment doesnt mean he is cowardly.
He didnt back out of that 2010 tour bcoz of being scared n all that crap you believe.

He had his issues with and the oathgate surfaced then.

We all know how volatile a personality he is but to say that he backed out and went fishing because he was scared of failure is delusion of the highest order.

If he was so shrewd then why did he make himself available in the odi's, a format he is weaker at?

Such shrewd decisions are associated with malik, not younis

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You can believe what you want, but his reluctance to bat at 3 when he became a senior and the way he ducked out of that your (having your feelings hurt is not a valid enough excuse) clearly point out that he has the tendency to back out to protect his self-interests. Yes he is more delusional than cowardly, I will give him that.

The reason why he was obsessed with playing ODIs was because he thought he can fill his boots on UAE pitches batting at number 4 like he does in Tests.

 

[Pete Rose]

When did I say, he is a great player of pace?
Your comprehension seems to be off.
I was arguing against mamoon who called him cowardly. Being ill equipped is different to being cowardly.

Moyo and inzi had twice of younis' ability but they used to hide at 5,6 whenever they got the opportunity as captain. Not the case with younis who would not even call for a night watchman.
Poor player of pace; yes
Coward; no

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He is ungainly towards pace. Don't know about cowardly.

 

[Mamoon]

When did I say, he is a great player of pace?
Your comprehension seems to be off.
I was arguing against mamoon who called him cowardly. Being ill equipped is different to being cowardly.

Moyo and inzi had twice of younis' ability but they used to hide at 5,6 whenever they got the opportunity as captain. Not the case with younis who would not even call for a night watchman.
Poor player of pace; yes
Coward; no

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Younis also hid behind the rookie Azhar at number 4 to protect himself from the new ball. He's no different to Inzamam and MoYo in this regard. Pakistan cricket have failed to produce gutsy batsmen in the last two decades which is why they fail miserably in Australia.

 

[cricketjoshila]

People here are accepting that YK cant play pace bowling but he is still better than Dravid?Am i missing something here?

 

[axl100mph]

Younis also hid behind the rookie Azhar at number 4 to protect himself from the new ball. He's no different to Inzamam and MoYo in this regard. Pakistan cricket have failed to produce gutsy batsmen in the last two decades which is why they fail miserably in Australia.

Except that azhar plays in the top order himself in the domestic and after the retirement of inzi and moyo, younis was our best bet.
It was in the best interests of the team for him to bat at 4.
Does kohli seem like a coward to you too?
Nah, you wont say a damn thing about him, would you bcoz it would defy your narrative on him.
Why does he hide behind at 4 and is prepared to chop n change with multiple batsmen at number 3 but not promote himself up there?
Your bias and vitriol never ceases to amaze me.

Younis is the gutsiest batsman along with miandad and imran that we have produced.
Anyone who has a record like younis in the 4th innings of tests doesnt get called cowardly. You should do serious review of your intellect to call him that.

And by the way, I am not a younis ******, am I?

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[axl100mph]

People here are accepting that YK cant play pace bowling but he is still better than Dravid?Am i missing something here?

Younis> chandrika> dravid> tendulkar.
Now go to bed

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[ahmedwaqas92]

Except that azhar plays in the top order himself in the domestic and after the retirement of inzi and moyo, younis was our best bet.
It was in the best interests of the team for him to bat at 4.
Does kohli seem like a coward to you too?
Nah, you wont say a damn thing about him, would you bcoz it would defy your narrative on him.
Why does he hide behind at 4 and is prepared to chop n change with multiple batsmen at number 3 but not promote himself up there?
Your bias and vitriol never ceases to amaze me.

Younis is the gutsiest batsman along with miandad and imran that we have produced.
Anyone who has a record like younis in the 4th innings of tests doesnt get called cowardly. You should do serious review of your intellect to call him that.

And by the way, I am not a younis ******, am I?

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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] bahi taken to the task here......

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I also don't agree he is a coward.

He is gutsy but he is also obsessed self-narcissistic perhaps to the point where he considers himself better than he really is.

Hence sometimes continues to play despite all evidence showing that he should not.

 

[axl100mph]

You can believe what you want, but his reluctance to bat at 3 when he became a senior and the way he ducked out of that your (having your feelings hurt is not a valid enough excuse) clearly point out that he has the tendency to back out to protect his self-interests. Yes he is more delusional than cowardly, I will give him that.

The reason why he was obsessed with playing ODIs was because he thought he can fill his boots on UAE pitches batting at number 4 like he does in Tests.

By odi's I didnt mean odi's generally.
I meant the odi leg of that aus tour.
If he was such a coward, why did he choose to make himself available for the odi series but sit out the tests when clearly the latter is his stronger suit.

He only came back after being taken into confidence by the board and management which was only done once the test series was tapering off.

 

[axl100mph]

I also don't agree he is a coward.

He is gutsy but he is also obsessed self-narcissistic perhaps to the point where he considers himself better than he really is.

Hence sometimes continues to play despite all evidence showing that he should not.

Precisely, but to attribute cowardice with him is ludicrously unfair to him.
He is the grittiest pak batsman that I have seen since I have started watching.

 

[Ab Fan]

Dravid was a kind of player who would agree to walk on broken glass if his team asks to do..If Younis is asked to do this he would rather break few more glasses..