Younis Khan: A better Test batsman than Rahul Dravid?

[vandokkum]

Cricket is about more than stats, I doubt you will find even one neutral international cricketer who will claim Younis Khan is as good a batsman as Dravid.

 

[muzzy]

You sound bitter and someone who lost his marbles... [/b]

Why will I be better when my country has produced better batsmen than him?

If I was not a Pakistani, I'd still not be bitter, because unless I was from Bangladesh - whether I was Indian, Australian, English, Sri Lankan, Caribbean, South African or a Kiwi - all of these countries have produced superior batsmen to Younis.

We are not talking about Tendulkar, Lara, Viv Richards or Bradman. We are talking about Younis who doesn't make any neutral discussion of being amongst the greatest batsmen of all time.

Only on PakPassion will you see such nonsense (Dravid vs Younis) comparisons.


So . . . . what is wrong with that? Do you get angry when people say that sky is blue and grass is green?

How is it not true? Or will you be only satisfied if I say that Amir is the bowling equivalent of Bradman and far better than Kohli?

He has a long, long and long way to go before he can be considered as the bowling equivalent of Kohli. Will he get there? maybe or maybe not, but right now, saying that Kohli is better than Amir at his craft is an obvious statement and nothing to get angry about.


No, no and no.

He has only played 21 Tests in 16 years in Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand collectively, and NZ for a good 10-12 years of his career (2000-2012), were pretty average.

That is a nothing sample size. Someone like Rahane has already outperformed him overseas, and it is no coincidence that he has a poor record in the South Africa because he has played more matches there compared to Australia and England.

I know what is coming next.

'It is not his fault he hasn't played enough matches there bla bla bla'

As I explained in my previous post, it partially is and the more Younis plays in Australia and England, the more he will get exposed and the worse his record will get, because he's a deeply mediocre player of pace bowling.

One or two good innings mean nothing. People call Kohli a 'rookie' Test batsman even though he has 5 hundreds in his last 5 Tests in Australia and a hundred and a 90 in two Tests in South Africa.

Younis has no sample size in countries like Australia and England and he has struggled quite a bit in SA.



Which means nothing. Every career has a different story. He did not play parallel to other great Pakistani batsmen and no one else has had the luxury of playing a vast majority of their matches on absolute roads against weak bowling, and play so little overseas cricket in a 16 year career.

When he played alongside MoYo, he was generally overshadowed.



Sure you can, but I'm hoping that somewhere down the road, you will start making sense.



Firstly, I think Joe Root is the best batsman in the world across all formats.

Secondly, quoting averages and bringing statistics when you don't understand the context means that you will not make sense and that is what is happening here.

The problem is that Kohli has raised the bar so high in ODIs that people write him off in Tests just because he isn't incredible in Tests like he is in ODIs, where he's very close to ATG status.

If you look at Kohli's Test career in isolation, it is very impressive. He is only 27 years old and entering the peak years of his career, and has another 10 years to go, but already he has achieved feats like scoring 6 Test hundreds in Australia as well as one in South Africa.

Ever since he made his Test debut in 2011, India have played too much cricket in the likes of Australia, England, New Zealand (and they have been a quality side in this time) and South Africa.

He has played 17 of his 41 Tests in these countries in just 5 years; in comparison, Younis has played only 21 of his 104 Tests in these countries in 16 years.

Can you believe that?

And still, he has scored 11 Test hundreds so far at an average of 44 at the age of 27 only, with his best years still to come.

How is that a mediocre record? India will play a lot of Tests at home. Watch his average reach 50 in the next few years because he's entering his peak now.

If he gets the opportunity to bash Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Australia on absolute dead wickets for 6 years, he will leave Younis in his dust just like he has left him in his dust already in ODIs.



I don't believe a word you say. All of the Pakistani batsmen I mentioned would have far better records had they been gifted the opportunity to bash average bowling attacks for 6 years on the lifeless UAE tracks, which are far better for batting than the Pakistani wickets.



Against Prasad, Lakmal and a rookie spinner like Kaushal. Even Masood scored a hundred, and he's not good enough for this level.

That is the story of his career. Majority of his heroic innings have been against low quality teams in great batting conditions, simply because he has been allowed the opportunities which the other Pakistani batsmen that I mentioned did not.


My judgement is based on what I see, and what I see is that Younis is a mediocre player of pace but a master against spin, who has named all the records of Pakistani batting in Test cricket not because he has been better than everyone else but because he has been allowed the opportunity to do so.

Kohli is an incredible batsman, and so is Rahane in Test cricket. I will take both over Younis already unless I am playing on a rank-turner, because Younis is a master of playing spin and both of them have not refined their game against spin yet, but they are very young and both will end up as better batsmen than Younis by the time they retire.

Don't be sorry for using offensive words for me; be sorry for not making sense.

Answer this question for me...

What was YK's test average at this stage of his career...

All you can come up with is sample size but conveniently ignored the fact that Kohli has faced lower quality of bowlers in this era compared to the ones YK faced 2000-2010 and that pitches have become flatter than recent years...

Check Robelinda's analysis, if you don't know who he is, he's the famous youtuber that has watched virtually every test match for the last couple of decades and has a deeper understanding of cricket than anyone on this forum. He mentioned that Kohli in tests is overrated and looks good when there is "no spin, no seam, no swing".

Can't deny that the wickets Kohli played on in Australia were a lot flatter than the ones YK played on in 2004 and the latter also had to face Mcgrath + Warne and still averaged over 40. He was in the early years of his test career, but you once again conveniently ignore this for YK but bring this point up for Kohli, so you just proved your double standards...

His average in England speaks for itself and he's been there twice. He was successful in both tours. Can you remind me of Kohli's average in England?!!!

How can you make out that Kohli has surpased YK when his average is no where close and unproven in testing conditions.

I'll agree on most of your points on Rahane because he has proven himself in difficult conditions and scored everywhere.

You sound like an obsessive Kohli fan boy, you bring him up every week. It's getting tiring and boring... Younis Khan is reaching the final 10 tests in his career, so if you're a genuine Pakistan fan try to enjoy it while it lasts because Pakistan may never produce a batsman of his calibre again (or from the looks of it anytime soon)....

 

[FreePalestine]

I feel like this is one you would have to go DEEP into the stats to answer. Dravid was a class batsman because of his powers of concentration and discipline. Younis arguably has a wider range of strokes and looks more elegant.

Stats wise (from memory, top of my head):

Younis has also scored runs in Aus against McGrath and Warne. Dravid's big runs in Aus came when their top bowlers were not in the side unfortunately.

On the other hand, Younis has also cashed in big time on flat tracks in Sri Lanka, India and the UAE. I suppose Dravid must have also scored a lot of flat track runs being an Indian player?

Younis has 5 fewer hundreds with about 60 fewer matches, which says a lot. YK has scored a triple hundred and a few doubles?

Important to remember that Dravid was the better batsman if you take ODI's into account as YK has always been rubbish at ODI's. But as pure test batsmen, I think this is a very, very tough one to call.

People obviously know Dravid better around the world, but if you think that is the only criterion for deciding who is better, you are mistaken!

 

[cricketjoshila]

I feel like this is one you would have to go DEEP into the stats to answer. Dravid was a class batsman because of his powers of concentration and discipline. Younis arguably has a wider range of strokes and looks more elegant.

Stats wise (from memory, top of my head):

Younis has also scored runs in Aus against McGrath and Warne. Dravid's big runs in Aus came when their top bowlers were not in the side unfortunately.

On the other hand, Younis has also cashed in big time on flat tracks in Sri Lanka, India and the UAE. I suppose Dravid must have also scored a lot of flat track runs being an Indian player?

Younis has 5 fewer hundreds with about 60 fewer matches, which says a lot. YK has scored a triple hundred and a few doubles?

Important to remember that Dravid was the better batsman if you take ODI's into account as YK has always been rubbish at ODI's. But as pure test batsmen, I think this is a very, very tough one to call.

People obviously know Dravid better around the world, but if you think that is the only criterion for deciding who is better, you are mistaken!

YK has hardly played outside Asia since 2006-07.

1tour of SA where he failed and one tour of NZ where he was good.5 tests in Eng and 2 tests in Aus thats all YK has.

Dravid in his entire career has played regularly in all conditions and scored runs.

 

[Mamoon]

Answer this question for me...

What was YK's test average at this stage of his career...

What stage? In any stage of his career, his average does not reflect his class as a batsman because he has played an overwhelming amount of matches on flat wickets against weak opposition.

All you can come up with is sample size but conveniently ignored the fact that Kohli has faced lower quality of bowlers in this era compared to the ones YK faced 2000-2010 and that pitches have become flatter than recent years...

Even though Younis debuted in 2000, he could not find his feet in Test cricket till 2005 when he was in his late 20's, because he was not good enough against some of the great bowlers of the 90's generation.

He failed in South Africa and was completely undone by Pollock, he failed in WI because he couldn't handle Ambrose and Walsh, and except for a couple of 50's, he failed against Australia as well and was literally dancing to the tunes of McGrath and Warne in the Sharjah Tests in 2002.

He was averaging in the high 30's till 2005 and was no different to batsmen like Azhar and Shafiq.

In short, he was not good enough to score runs against bowlers like McGrath, Warne, Ambrose, Walsh and Pollock and that is why it wasn't until 2005 that he became a prolific run-scorer in Test cricket.

When WI toured UAE in 2002, he scored a 150 because Ambrose and Walsh were not playing, and the mediocre duo of Collins and Dillon were leading the attack.

Check Robelinda's analysis, if you don't know who he is, he's the famous youtuber that has watched virtually every test match for the last couple of decades and has a deeper understanding of cricket than anyone on this forum. He mentioned that Kohli in tests is overrated and looks good when there is "no spin, no seam, no swing".

I know who he is and I am not interested in what he has to say. Just like others, he is entitled to his opinion and what he says is not the letter of the law.

According to you, he might have a deeper understanding of cricket because he said what you wanted to hear, but don't expect that others will agree with you to.

Besides, he has banter with Indian fans and likes to rile him up. He has also called Tendulkar overrated and has stated than Inzamam was better than him.

Not everything he says can be taken seriously, and even if he does mean all of that, like I said, I am not interested in his or anyone else's opinion.

Can't deny that the wickets Kohli played on in Australia were a lot flatter than the ones YK played on in 2004 and the latter also had to face Mcgrath + Warne and still averaged over 40.

Younis scored a couple of 40s and an 80 in 6 innings. That is good but nothing highly impressive or outstanding.

Besides, he was generally outperformed by the other batsmen. Salman Butt scored a 100 vs McGrath and Warne when Younis scored 40 odd; Asim Kamal scored a 80 when Younis scored a 40 odd vs the same attack; MoYo scored a century at the MCG when Younis scored 87.

Again, he wasn't the standout performer and other players had better individual innings against the same bowlers.

He was in the early years of his test career, but you once again conveniently ignore this for YK but bring this point up for Kohli, so you just proved your double standards...

He was found out by the quality bowlers early in his career and even later on, he has struggled against quality pacers.

In 2013, he needed a UAE style wicket in Cape Town to score runs and was completely outdone in Johannesburg and Durban, where there was pace in the pitch and the ball was seaming.

When SA toured UAE in 2013 and Steyn and Philander got the ball to reverse-swing, he was exposed and didn't score at all.

Australian pitches are flat but they are not like the UAE pitches; there are still quite fast and the ball bounces, however there is swing or seam.

You still need to be a good back-foot player to score runs in Australia and if you would have cared to watch Kohli's batting in Australia last year, you would note that he was playing most of his shots of the back-foot square of the wicket, against 90 mph bowling.

Do you think Younis will also score 4 hundreds in 4 Tests in Australia if he is given the same pitches as Kohli was?

No he will not. He struggles against bounce if the bowler is bowling above 85 mph. He looked like a tail-ender vs Shami in the opening match of the World Cup when he got bounced out vs India.

No batsman in the subcontinent and perhaps even the world is capable of scoring 4 tons in 4 Tests vs Australia, but Kohli managed that.

Besides, his hundred in the second innings of the first Test came on a pitch that was turning square. It was an incredible innings and you obviously don't know that because you don't watch cricket and like to quote numbers only.

His average in England speaks for itself and he's been there twice. He was successful in both tours. Can you remind me of Kohli's average in England?!!!

Younis had a mix-bag tour of England in 2001. He scored a couple of fifties, but also went missing in other innings completely.

In 2006, he was very good, but nowhere near as good as MoYo, and 3 Tests do not define a career.

4 years later, he was unavailable for the England tour and he missed the opportunity of having a good sample size in England and establish himself as a top class Test batsman.

The only overseas country he has a good sample size is South Africa, and he has his worst record there, which is not a coincidence.

How can you make out that Kohli has surpased YK when his average is no where close and unproven in testing conditions.

Because Younis has never been capable of scoring like Kohli in Australia and South Africa. As I said, his hundred in Cape Town 3 years ago came on a slow, dry UAE-style surface.

Kohli scored a 100 and a 90 vs SA when no other batsman from India or South Africa could score any runs in the first innings.

Kohli failed in England but you are allowed a bad series early in your career. When he started his Test career, he played quite a few Tests in Australia but struggled, however, by the end of the tour, he adjusted and scored a century in his last test in the 2011 tour.

4 years later, he returned to Australia and destroyed them.

Watch his performance when he tours England again, he will dominate them because he has tightened his technique now.

Younis has played just 5 Tests in England, and he has been mix-bag in 2-3 of them and was outperformed by MoYo in others.

Before the Australian tour of UAE in 2014 where he bashed the poor Lyon to all parts, Younis has never been able to dominate a series from start to end and be the standout performer.

Kohli has already done that in a country where Younis hasn't scored a century and is very unlikely to score one this year because he is poor against pace.

Given how good he has been in countries like Australia and South Africa before entering his prime years and not having played a lot of matches at home, I will definitely take him over Younis given the fact that he has a much higher ceiling than Younis and is a complete batsman.

You sound like an obsessive Kohli fan boy

I really like him, I think he's an incredible player, but he's not even my favorite in the Indian team because I love Rahane and although not a great batsman, but I love watching Rohit bat as well.

Overall, I think Root is a better batsman than Kohli and he's also my favorite batsman in world cricket at the moment. In spite of his brilliance in Australia, Kohli is behind Root, Smith and Williamson in Test cricket. In the long run, he will definitely match them.

Doesn't sound like 'fan boyism', does it?

, you bring him up every week. It's getting tiring and boring...

In all of my time on PakPassion, I have only created one Kohli related thread and that was in 2014.

I don't bring him up every week; other people create Kohli related threads almost every week, and I only comment on them just like I comment in other threads.

Blame them, not me.

Younis Khan is reaching the final 10 tests in his career, so if you're a genuine Pakistan fan try to enjoy it while it lasts because Pakistan may never produce a batsman of his calibre again (or from the looks of it anytime soon)....

If Pakistan are not going to produce a B grade batsman like Younis any time soon, who has been an exceptional failure in ODIs, and in spite of having so many opportunities against weak attacks on flat wickets, has failed to prove himself to be the best Test batsman of his generation (Sangakkara, Amla, Cook are/were all better), well then that says a lot about the dried talent pool of Pakistan than the caliber of Younis, who has not only been inferior to some of the batsmen of his generation like I mentioned, but is also getting overshadowed by younger generation batsmen like Smith, Kohli, Root and Williamson.

Pakistan has produced much better overall batsmen than Younis in the past who were more complete players as well, but none of them have had the opportunity to bash weak attacks for 6 years straight on the flattest of wickets and barely play in tough overseas conditions, and that is why Younis holds all the Test records of Pakistan now.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Ability wise, I would have Younis barely scraping into the top 5 Pakistani players of the last 25 years. It's obviously laughable comparing him to Dravid. I'd have Inzi, Yousuf, Anwar and Salim Malik all ahead of Younis on ability and talent. Obviously, if you want to go further back you'd have to include Miandad ahead of him too.

Younis is the type of batsman who is easy to admire but hard to love. I'd feel cheated if anyone asked me to pay to watch Younis bat ahead of any of the aforementioned players. He has an agricultural stance at the crease and frequently looks as if he is wielding an axe to score runs much like another ex-Pakistan player who batted at No. 3 and 4: Ijaz Ahmed. However, looking ugly at the wicket is no impediment to performance as we've seen with the likes of Justin Langer, Graeme Smith and Shivnarine Chanderpaul. Younis has been our best player since the forced exile of Mohammad Yousuf in 2010 and we should all be thankful for that.

Nonetheless, he has several glaring deficiencies that suggest that he won't have averaged quite so high if he had played more tests outside Asia. That's not his fault, he can only score runs under the conditions he is asked to perform under, but any gullible stats merchant - and by the looks of it there are plenty out there - might overstate his case among Pakistan's great batsmen.

 

[Mamoon]

Ability wise, I would have Younis barely scraping into the top 5 Pakistani players of the last 25 years. It's obviously laughable comparing him to Dravid. I'd have Inzi, Yousuf, Anwar and Salim Malik all ahead of Younis on ability and talent. Obviously, if you want to go further back you'd have to include Miandad ahead of him too.

Younis is the type of batsman who is easy to admire but hard to love. I'd feel cheated if anyone asked me to pay to watch Younis bat ahead of any of the aforementioned players. He has an agricultural stance at the crease and frequently looks as if he is wielding an axe to score runs much like another ex-Pakistan player who batted at No. 3 and 4: Ijaz Ahmed. However, looking ugly at the wicket is no impediment to performance as we've seen with the likes of Justin Langer, Graeme Smith and Shivnarine Chanderpaul. Younis has been our best player since the forced exile of Mohammad Yousuf in 2010 and we should all be thankful for that.

Nonetheless, he has several glaring deficiencies that suggest that he won't have averaged quite so high if he had played more tests outside Asia. That's not his fault, he can only score runs under the conditions he is asked to perform under, but any gullible stats merchant - and by the looks of it there are plenty out there - might overstate his case among Pakistan's great batsmen.

Another great post.

Some people have not watched the likes of Inzamam, MoYo, Saeed Anwar etc. play is the only logical explanation in my opinion.

 

[muzzy]

What stage? In any stage of his career, his average does not reflect his class as a batsman because he has played an overwhelming amount of matches on flat wickets against weak opposition.


Even though Younis debuted in 2000, he could not find his feet in Test cricket till 2005 when he was in his late 20's, because he was not good enough against some of the great bowlers of the 90's generation.

He failed in South Africa and was completely undone by Pollock, he failed in WI because he couldn't handle Ambrose and Walsh, and except for a couple of 50's, he failed against Australia as well and was literally dancing to the tunes of McGrath and Warne in the Sharjah Tests in 2002.

He was averaging in the high 30's till 2005 and was no different to batsmen like Azhar and Shafiq.

In short, he was not good enough to score runs against bowlers like McGrath, Warne, Ambrose, Walsh and Pollock and that is why it wasn't until 2005 that he became a prolific run-scorer in Test cricket.

When WI toured UAE in 2002, he scored a 150 because Ambrose and Walsh were not playing, and the mediocre duo of Collins and Dillon were leading the attack.




I know who he is and I am not interested in what he has to say. Just like others, he is entitled to his opinion and what he says is not the letter of the law.

According to you, he might have a deeper understanding of cricket because he said what you wanted to hear, but don't expect that others will agree with you to.

Besides, he has banter with Indian fans and likes to rile him up. He has also called Tendulkar overrated and has stated than Inzamam was better than him.

Not everything he says can be taken seriously, and even if he does mean all of that, like I said, I am not interested in his or anyone else's opinion.


Younis scored a couple of 40s and an 80 in 6 innings. That is good but nothing highly impressive or outstanding.

Besides, he was generally outperformed by the other batsmen. Salman Butt scored a 100 vs McGrath and Warne when Younis scored 40 odd; Asim Kamal scored a 80 when Younis scored a 40 odd vs the same attack; MoYo scored a century at the MCG when Younis scored 87.

Again, he wasn't the standout performer and other players had better individual innings against the same bowlers.



He was found out by the quality bowlers early in his career and even later on, he has struggled against quality pacers.

In 2013, he needed a UAE style wicket in Cape Town to score runs and was completely outdone in Johannesburg and Durban, where there was pace in the pitch and the ball was seaming.

When SA toured UAE in 2013 and Steyn and Philander got the ball to reverse-swing, he was exposed and didn't score at all.

Australian pitches are flat but they are not like the UAE pitches; there are still quite fast and the ball bounces, however there is swing or seam.

You still need to be a good back-foot player to score runs in Australia and if you would have cared to watch Kohli's batting in Australia last year, you would note that he was playing most of his shots of the back-foot square of the wicket, against 90 mph bowling.

Do you think Younis will also score 4 hundreds in 4 Tests in Australia if he is given the same pitches as Kohli was?

No he will not. He struggles against bounce if the bowler is bowling above 85 mph. He looked like a tail-ender vs Shami in the opening match of the World Cup when he got bounced out vs India.

No batsman in the subcontinent and perhaps even the world is capable of scoring 4 tons in 4 Tests vs Australia, but Kohli managed that.

Besides, his hundred in the second innings of the first Test came on a pitch that was turning square. It was an incredible innings and you obviously don't know that because you don't watch cricket and like to quote numbers only.




Younis had a mix-bag tour of England in 2001. He scored a couple of fifties, but also went missing in other innings completely.

In 2006, he was very good, but nowhere near as good as MoYo, and 3 Tests do not define a career.

4 years later, he was unavailable for the England tour and he missed the opportunity of having a good sample size in England and establish himself as a top class Test batsman.

The only overseas country he has a good sample size is South Africa, and he has his worst record there, which is not a coincidence.


Because Younis has never been capable of scoring like Kohli in Australia and South Africa. As I said, his hundred in Cape Town 3 years ago came on a slow, dry UAE-style surface.

Kohli scored a 100 and a 90 vs SA when no other batsman from India or South Africa could score any runs in the first innings.

Kohli failed in England but you are allowed a bad series early in your career. When he started his Test career, he played quite a few Tests in Australia but struggled, however, by the end of the tour, he adjusted and scored a century in his last test in the 2011 tour.

4 years later, he returned to Australia and destroyed them.

Watch his performance when he tours England again, he will dominate them because he has tightened his technique now.

Younis has played just 5 Tests in England, and he has been mix-bag in 2-3 of them and was outperformed by MoYo in others.

Before the Australian tour of UAE in 2014 where he bashed the poor Lyon to all parts, Younis has never been able to dominate a series from start to end and be the standout performer.

Kohli has already done that in a country where Younis hasn't scored a century and is very unlikely to score one this year because he is poor against pace.

Given how good he has been in countries like Australia and South Africa before entering his prime years and not having played a lot of matches at home, I will definitely take him over Younis given the fact that he has a much higher ceiling than Younis and is a complete batsman.


I really like him, I think he's an incredible player, but he's not even my favorite in the Indian team because I love Rahane and although not a great batsman, but I love watching Rohit bat as well.

Overall, I think Root is a better batsman than Kohli and he's also my favorite batsman in world cricket at the moment. In spite of his brilliance in Australia, Kohli is behind Root, Smith and Williamson in Test cricket. In the long run, he will definitely match them.

Doesn't sound like 'fan boyism', does it?



In all of my time on PakPassion, I have only created one Kohli related thread and that was in 2014.

I don't bring him up every week; other people create Kohli related threads almost every week, and I only comment on them just like I comment in other threads.

Blame them, not me.


If Pakistan are not going to produce a B grade batsman like Younis any time soon, who has been an exceptional failure in ODIs, and in spite of having so many opportunities against weak attacks on flat wickets, has failed to prove himself to be the best Test batsman of his generation (Sangakkara, Amla, Cook are/were all better), well then that says a lot about the dried talent pool of Pakistan than the caliber of Younis, who has not only been inferior to some of the batsmen of his generation like I mentioned, but is also getting overshadowed by younger generation batsmen like Smith, Kohli, Root and Williamson.

Pakistan has produced much better overall batsmen than Younis in the past who were more complete players as well, but none of them have had the opportunity to bash weak attacks for 6 years straight on the flattest of wickets and barely play in tough overseas conditions, and that is why Younis holds all the Test records of Pakistan now.

Look we get the picture you're not a fan of YK, and I would extend this statment that you seem to feel sorry for Pakistan that we have him as our top batsman...

This argument about YK only being able hold the records because of playing in UAE is a poor argument because he has stood the test of time as a test player - 16 years now!.

Sangakkara is another example of a player who has cashed in last 5-6 years, it's not their fault that wickets have gone slower and flatter around the world and that that the bowling quality has watered down since...

YK has averaged 50+ virtually year on year in the last 10 years, so cut out these "B grade" vibes and if its so easy to score in UAE and in SC why is it that only Sanga and him have been the only 2 players in the last 5-6 players that have shown consistent ability to score big hundreds huh?

YK was far more prolific in the same stage of VK's career at present, he had scored a hundred in England, he was able to score heavily on rank turners and his impact cannot always be told in numbers. At number 3 his impact was invaluable because he was able to get past the new ball (even if he missed out on a 50). Virat Kohli has no proven success on wickets that aid bowlers. An average of 44 against today's standard of bowling and nature of pitches is mediocre for a "high class batsman" to say the least.

If YK had played more in Aus/Eng at his prime then he would have held a bigger status as a batsman in the game today because it was a lost opportunity for him to make more runs and score 100s.

Like I said you'll be eating your words when YK comes to England and Australia this year, for someone who's 40 and reflexes are starting to go he will still average 40+ for 2016 mark my words...

As mentioned you hold a lot of double standards with regards to these 2 players. You manufacture flaws with YK and can't comprehend any of those associated VK, which is sad to see from a Pakistan fan to be quite frank...

You prefer the older generation of players such as Saleem Malik and etc but sometimes character and mental toughness can over weigh players with just raw talent like with YK..

Yk has more match winning innings than VK and it will always stay that way because the former knows how to bat when the wicket deteriorates so he score in 1st, 2nd, 2rd and 4th innings unlike Kohli.

One of the biggest criticisms of India's test batting is that there is no one who can take responsibility when the going gets tough, but YK has done this countless times. This why regardless of VK's talent he can never have the impact and thus the number of match winning innings than his counterpart from the other side of the border...

 

[muzzy]

I feel like this is one you would have to go DEEP into the stats to answer. Dravid was a class batsman because of his powers of concentration and discipline. Younis arguably has a wider range of strokes and looks more elegant.

Stats wise (from memory, top of my head):

Younis has also scored runs in Aus against McGrath and Warne. Dravid's big runs in Aus came when their top bowlers were not in the side unfortunately.

On the other hand, Younis has also cashed in big time on flat tracks in Sri Lanka, India and the UAE. I suppose Dravid must have also scored a lot of flat track runs being an Indian player?

Younis has 5 fewer hundreds with about 60 fewer matches, which says a lot. YK has scored a triple hundred and a few doubles?

Important to remember that Dravid was the better batsman if you take ODI's into account as YK has always been rubbish at ODI's. But as pure test batsmen, I think this is a very, very tough one to call.

People obviously know Dravid better around the world, but if you think that is the only criterion for deciding who is better, you are mistaken!

Good post this

 

[AlizeeFan]

I feel like this is one you would have to go DEEP into the stats to answer. Dravid was a class batsman because of his powers of concentration and discipline. Younis arguably has a wider range of strokes and looks more elegant.

Stats wise (from memory, top of my head):

Younis has also scored runs in Aus against McGrath and Warne. Dravid's big runs in Aus came when their top bowlers were not in the side unfortunately.

On the other hand, Younis has also cashed in big time on flat tracks in Sri Lanka, India and the UAE. I suppose Dravid must have also scored a lot of flat track runs being an Indian player?

Younis has 5 fewer hundreds with about 60 fewer matches, which says a lot. YK has scored a triple hundred and a few doubles?

Important to remember that Dravid was the better batsman if you take ODI's into account as YK has always been rubbish at ODI's. But as pure test batsmen, I think this is a very, very tough one to call.

People obviously know Dravid better around the world, but if you think that is the only criterion for deciding who is better, you are mistaken!

Stats wise


Younis

Matches: 104
Runs: 9116
Avg: 53.94
100s: 31

Dravid

Matches: 104
Runs: 9049
Avg: 58.75
100s: 23

Home/Away averages

Younis

Home: Matches 19, Avg 59, 100s 7
Neutral: Matches 26, Avg 54, 100s 10
Away: Matches 59, Avg 52, 100s 14

Dravid

Home: Matches 47, Avg 51, 100s 8
Away: Matches 57, Avg 65, 100s 15

Outside Asia

Younis

Matches: 31
Avg: 45

Dravid

Matches: 42
Avg: 66

 

[AlizeeFan]

Not a very tough call if you have to pick a test batsman just looking at those stats.

 

[Acricketfan]

Stats wise


Younis

Matches: 104
Runs: 9116
Avg: 53.94
100s: 31

Dravid

Matches: 104
Runs: 9049
Avg: 58.75
100s: 23

Home/Away averages

Younis

Home: Matches 19, Avg 59, 100s 7
Neutral: Matches 26, Avg 54, 100s 10
Away: Matches 59, Avg 52, 100s 14

Dravid

Home: Matches 47, Avg 51, 100s 8
Away: Matches 57, Avg 65, 100s 15

Outside Asia

Younis

Matches: 31
Avg: 45

Dravid

Matches: 42
Avg: 66

Dravid trounces Younis whatever way anyone looks at it. Unless you're heavily biased.

 

[Acricketfan]

What's your point???

First of all, do something about your browser.

Secondly, you want me to have a look at the opinion of someone who is heavily biased against Indians? No thanks.

 

[Adil_94]

only if Younis averages like 70 odd in the next two tours of England and Australia.

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[muzzy]

First of all, do something about your browser.

Secondly, you want me to have a look at the opinion of someone who is heavily biased against Indians? No thanks.

Dude it's called banter. But he does appreciate good cricket and said good things about Tendulkar. In fact he rates him as one of the top 3 of all time, so he's not biased. Likes to joke around, so chill...

I'm a fan of Kohli in LOI and as I've mentioned before he's the best batsman in this format but in tests he has yet to reach his full potentail

As for sorting out my browser, you didn't make any sense here...

 

[muzzy]

Dravid trounces Younis whatever way anyone looks at it. Unless you're heavily biased.

Agreed Dravid is the better batsman but YK isn't that far behind. YK has assets that make him more valuable in others of his game for e.g. his conversion of 50s to 100s is tipping over 50%, which is like unheard off...

 

[Ab Fan]

Younis Khan is a World Class player at least in test format but Dravid was simply a notch ahead. I rate Younis at same level as KP/ Clarke/ ABD/ Cook..Not much to differentiate them as they all have their deficits and positives.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Pakistani fans mercilessly bashing their one star player while sucking up to Indians. Then we wonder why our superstars have become softies on the field.

Granted YK hasn't been on his best behaviour but have some respect for your legends and have some respect for yourself as a Pakistani fan for once in your life.

On thread, dont give two hoots who's better. YK wins my country matches. Deserves far more respect than he gets for doing that.

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[pakpukhtun]

Pakistani fans mercilessly bashing their one star player while sucking up to Indians. Then we wonder why our superstars have become softies on the field.

Granted YK hasn't been on his best behaviour but have some respect for your legends and have some respect for yourself as a Pakistani fan for once in your life.

On thread, dont give two hoots who's better. YK wins my country matches. Deserves far more respect than he gets for doing that.

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Great Post!
We never appreciate our own talent. Younis khan might have problems off the field but If i were to rely on a player to win me a test match at the moment it would be Younis.

 

[ZaynM]

Pakistani fans mercilessly bashing their one star player while sucking up to Indians. Then we wonder why our superstars have become softies on the field.

Granted YK hasn't been on his best behaviour but have some respect for your legends and have some respect for yourself as a Pakistani fan for once in your life.

On thread, dont give two hoots who's better. YK wins my country matches. Deserves far more respect than he gets for doing that.

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This. For these fans players like shan masood and sharjeel are their heroes. Pathetic.

 

[big_gamer007]

Pakistani fans mercilessly bashing their one star player while sucking up to Indians. Then we wonder why our superstars have become softies on the field.

Granted YK hasn't been on his best behaviour but have some respect for your legends and have some respect for yourself as a Pakistani fan for once in your life.

On thread, dont give two hoots who's better. YK wins my country matches. Deserves far more respect than he gets for doing that.

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I don't think anyone is bashing YK here.. No one said he's a bad player but if someone says Dravid is a better player which is the truth you can't take it as YK bashing.. YK should be respected as a batsman but if anyone says he is better than Dravid then obviously any unbiased person would give a fitting reply..

 

[Usman Chadda]

I don't think anyone is bashing YK here.. No one said he's a bad player but if someone says Dravid is a better player which is the truth you can't take it as YK bashing.. YK should be respected as a batsman but if anyone says he is better than Dravid then obviously any unbiased person would give a fitting reply..

You can say Dravid is better than YK without bashing YK.

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[Bhaijaan]

You can say Dravid is better than YK without bashing YK.

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That is what happens when people compare which is why one should be careful in bringing comparisons up because they could be very unforgiving. Put Dravid in comparison to Sachin and people would rip him apart the same.

 

[Dead Ball]

If YK dominates in Australia and England this year, i would have no hesitation to put him alongside Dravid.

YK has been a splendid batsman for Pakistan but he has only 3 centuries to show in 21 tests in Aus/SA/Eng/NZ. When faced with Ambrose/Walsh in 2000 in WI, he averaged 6 in 3 tests (was particularly clueless against Ambrose)

Dravid, for all his failures in Aus and SA, has still done a lot lot more outside the SC than Younis Khan. There are two areas i would rate YK ahead, which is his playing against spin and his 4th innings but overall Dravid is ahead. I would also rate Inzamam ahead of YK.

 

[Acricketfan]

Rahul Dravid vs Younis Khan in tests

Please note- i am only comparing their performances at their best positions i.e 3 for Dravid and 3 and 4 for YK.

against non minnows





Against the best bowlers of their era






Please note that Dravid averages nearly 10 runs higher than YK against best bowlers despite the fact that-

1) Dravid never faced Indian trundlers while YK never faced Wasim, Waqar and akhtar and saqlain.

2) Dravid faced Donald while YK never did.

3) YK never faced Bond while while Dravid did.

4) YK never had to face Ambrose Walsh and Bishop while Dravid did.

Away from asia





Not to mention, Dravid helped YK in turning his career around.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1198779

 

[Acricketfan]

There are only 3 Top tier ATG batsmen - Sachin, Lara and Ponting.

Dravid, Kallis, Sanga, KP, Clarke, G. Smith are next in order, who are just Modern Greats. KP was most talented among these.

Younus will join them if he continues this form for at-least 40 more Tests, he will become a Modern Great. Right now, Younus stature is similar to Mahela Jayawardene.

Dravid and Kallis also belong there.

 

[sshakir411]

Dravid

 

[Hasan123]

Dravid is the better player. Thanks for the stats but I don't need the stats to tell me Dravid is a better player than Younis.

 

[Hasan123]

I don't understand how this can even be a debate. Dravid all day and everyday is a better player than Younis Khan

 

[#GreenRoars]

Dravid > Yk, but if YK performs better in coming away tours, then he is > Dravid.

 

[Pete Rose]

Dravid > Yk, but if YK performs better in coming away tours, then he is > Dravid.

equal not better.

 

[kashmiri bhaijan]

most people will rightly say dravid , but no one can match younis khan when it comes to 4th innings exploits , now dont tell me when he came to bat dat time bowlers were tired n all that rubbish stuff ,, he has d highest avg and most 100's in 4th innings

 

[jusarrived]

I feel like this is one you would have to go DEEP into the stats to answer. Dravid was a class batsman because of his powers of concentration and discipline. Younis arguably has a wider range of strokes and looks more elegant.

Stats wise (from memory, top of my head):

Younis has also scored runs in Aus against McGrath and Warne. Dravid's big runs in Aus came when their top bowlers were not in the side unfortunately.

On the other hand, Younis has also cashed in big time on flat tracks in Sri Lanka, India and the UAE. I suppose Dravid must have also scored a lot of flat track runs being an Indian player?

Younis has 5 fewer hundreds with about 60 fewer matches, which says a lot. YK has scored a triple hundred and a few doubles?

Important to remember that Dravid was the better batsman if you take ODI's into account as YK has always been rubbish at ODI's. But as pure test batsmen, I think this is a very, very tough one to call.

People obviously know Dravid better around the world, but if you think that is the only criterion for deciding who is better, you are mistaken!

Dravid is one of the few batsmen who could play all around the park , its not even funny to say YK had more array of strokes . And YK is elegant ? hes the MSD of test cricket , as ugly as it can get .

 

[The_Odd_One]

Dravid was a better batsman in both ODIs and tests. It is not even a debate.

 

[blue_champion]

Lol where are these comparisons coming from.....Youins is definitely already a 2nd tier ATG though and best Pakistani test batsman but not even close to Dravid.....Dravid was leagues ahead of Younis as a ODI batsman as well...Over all Dravid >>>>>Daylight>>>>>Younis

 

[aslaisnomasla]

Lol where are these comparisons coming from.....Youins is definitely already a 2nd tier ATG though and best Pakistani test batsman but not even close to Dravid.....Dravid was leagues ahead of Younis as a ODI batsman as well...Over all Dravid >>>>>Daylight>>>>>Younis

offcourse younis khans better, things wont change because of your ' lolz' and >>>>>

 

[Mamoon]

Not even close. A total joke comparison.

As bad as Tendulkar vs Inzamam.

 

[OS_89]

I would say Dravid is definitely superior at the moment. But if Younis does well in the upcoming overseas tours, then the contest would be neck and neck.

 

[Bilal7]

Dravid > Yk, but if YK performs better in coming away tours, then he is > Dravid.

This is the most reasonable opinion displayed here. Younis is currently below Dravid but a great 2016 will see him overtake 'The Wall'.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Younis Khan can only dream of scoring back to back centuries in Australia like Dravid did

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[Ab Fan]

Sanga, Smith, Amla, Pietersen, Hayden are some names that comes between these two.

 

[Statsman]

Dravid > Yk, but if YK performs better in coming away tours, then he is > Dravid.

Bit unfair to expect YK to hit century after century against the supreme English attack led by a raging Jimmy Anderson.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

Against spin -
Dravid = Younis

Against 'express' pace and bounce -
Dravid >> Younus (watch Dravid playing Shoaib Akhtar with ease, Younus can be bounced out with ease, he cannot even duck properly)

Against swing -
Dravid >> Younus ( Dravid's stellar record in England and New Zealand is testimony to that)

In Subcontinent -
Younis >> Dravid

Away -
Dravid >> Younus

Concentration -
Dravid = Younis

Smile -
Younus >> Dravid

Team man -
Younus >> Dravid

Captain/Leader -
Younus >> Dravid

Slip Fielder -
Dravid = Younus

Overall Younus >> Dravid in test cricket.

 

[big_gamer007]

No Indian would ever trade Younis Khan in place of Dravid but a lot of Pakistanis will trade Dravid in place of Younis.. This answers your question /closed

 

[LastManstanding]

Against spin -
Dravid = Younis

Against 'express' pace and bounce -
Dravid >> Younus (watch Dravid playing Shoaib Akhtar with ease, Younus can be bounced out with ease, he cannot even duck properly)

Against swing -
Dravid >> Younus ( Dravid's stellar record in England and New Zealand is testimony to that)

In Subcontinent -
Younis >> Dravid

Away -
Dravid >> Younus

Concentration -
Dravid = Younis

Smile -
Younus >> Dravid

Team man -
Younus >> Dravid

Captain/Leader -
Younus >> Dravid

Slip Fielder -
Dravid = Younus

Overall Younus >> Dravid in test cricket.

A player who threatened to quit test cricket, if he wasn't selected for ODIs seems like a team man to you?

And off all players, you are comparing him with Dravid who was the ultimate team man, kept wickets, played as an opener and even played T20I when he didnt want to but his team needed him.

 

[street cricketer]

A player who threatened to quit test cricket, if he wasn't selected for ODIs seems like a team man to you?

And off all players, you are comparing him with Dravid who was the ultimate team man, kept wickets, played as an opener and even played T20I when he didnt want to but his team needed him.

Lol he is joking man..

 

[SL_Fan]

YK is way underrated as a Test bat. Right up there.

 

[Shayan]

As many have said, this summer will answer this question. YK has a great opportunity given the overseas tours coming up to cement his legacy.

 

[Batman_DB]

i dont need stats for the Dravid is 1 of the greatest test batsman

 

[Prince_]

Younis = Dravid in tests.

I don't know why is he so underrated here. He's easily ONE of the best test batsmen of all time, especially in Asian conditions.

 

[Hawkeye]

Younis = Dravid in tests.

I don't know why is he so underrated here. He's easily ONE of the best test batsmen of all time, especially in Asian conditions.

But Dravid was better overseas + Asia, and better overseas than even SRT.

 

[Suleiman]

Even if Yonex has a magical English tour out of nowhere he will at best be equal to Dravid if not slightly behind him. I don't expect him to survive till Australia, and if he is smart he will quit before then. Doesn't have it in him to play on Aussie pitches. Even Shami was making him hop around in Adelaide LOL

Dravid is the better batsman and human being.

 

[msb314]

Even if Yonex has a magical English tour out of nowhere he will at best be equal to Dravid if not slightly behind him. I don't expect him to survive till Australia, and if he is smart he will quit before then. Doesn't have it in him to play on Aussie pitches. Even Shami was making him hop around in Adelaide LOL

Dravid is the better batsman and human being.

He is going for 10K runs and no one, certainly not mickey or the pCB, will stop him

 

[Usman Chadda]

No Indian would ever trade Younis Khan in place of Dravid but a lot of Pakistanis will trade Dravid in place of Younis.. This answers your question /closed

If its at the expense of Younis Khan, no not really. The man is a legend in his own right.

Deliberately getting under-rated here by people who cannot differentiate between LOI and Test cricket. A few of these might also be young fans who haven't actually seen YK in his prime and go on the basis of the sparse Test series Pakistan play nowadays.

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[Abdullah719]

This comparison is an insult to dravid. Younis is a good batsman especially in subcontinent but dravid is in a different league

Younis = Dravid in tests.

I don't know why is he so underrated here. He's easily ONE of the best test batsmen of all time, especially in Asian conditions.

What happened in the past month and a half to make you change your mind?

 

[OS_89]

Bit unfair to expect YK to hit century after century against the supreme English attack led by a raging Jimmy Anderson.

Well, Dravid did it in 2011 against Anderson and Broad in top form plus Bresban at his peak and Swann.

 

[msb314]

Well, Dravid did it in 2011 against Anderson and Broad in top form plus Bresban at his peak and Swann.

YK has also done it against a rampaging Harmison and Anderson back in 2006 at Leeds.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/225257.html

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Younis has played 104 tests and averages 53.94.

Dravid at the end of 106 tests averaged 57.58 with lots of overseas tours and a sub 40 average only in SA and a sub 50 average only in SL. Every other place, he averages 50+.

 

[street cricketer]

YK has also done it against a rampaging Harmison and Anderson back in 2006 at Leeds.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/225257.html

There is a difference between scoring tons at 28 years of age and scoring tons at 38 years of age.

I'm not even going into the quality of the English team in 2011.

 

[Ab Fan]

Dravid very easily. He has plenty of solid knocks outside Asia.

 

[LastManstanding]

Dravid was miles ahead.

 

[shah_1]

YK is a Pakistani great but nowhere near Dravid

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Ha! YK is pretty fine player.

Dravid is in a different league tho.

 

[MMHS]

Move on. Comparing two greats is never easy, shouldn't be done either; but like most PAK cricketers, YK is going to get the same treatment. He might not have the best techniques, but effective indeed. Has his problem against short balls, but we can't cheery pick such things only - Ponting never sorted his issues with spin & even in his peak years, he was a bunny of Bhajji & Murali.

Rahul was an out standing player, but it took just about 2/3 Tests for him against Patinson & Co. to realise that time has come. Dravid scored 3 hundreds in UK, last one a carried innings from opener; then he was bowled through bat pad few times in Australia - called it a day & still probably the most respected Indian cricketer ever. If allowed, YK'll return to England in 2022 Series - that's the difference.


No one can beat age - YK tried that in ODI, which didn't bring him anything; one of the most criticised LO players from PAK, but so ironic that, he was the man led PAK to their 2nd & so far last World title. Similarly, he is finishing as PAK's highest Test highest scorer, but I am afraid, his career would end like ODI as well.

 

[LastManstanding]

Move on. Comparing two greats is never easy, shouldn't be done either; but like most PAK cricketers, YK is going to get the same treatment. He might not have the best techniques, but effective indeed. Has his problem against short balls, but we can't cheery pick such things only - Ponting never sorted his issues with spin & even in his peak years, he was a bunny of Bhajji & Murali.

Rahul was an out standing player, but it took just about 2/3 Tests for him against Patinson & Co. to realise that time has come. Dravid scored 3 hundreds in UK, last one a carried innings from opener; then he was bowled through bat pad few times in Australia - called it a day & still probably the most respected Indian cricketer ever. If allowed, YK'll return to England in 2022 Series - that's the difference.


No one can beat age - YK tried that in ODI, which didn't bring him anything; one of the most criticised LO players from PAK, but so ironic that, he was the man led PAK to their 2nd & so far last World title. Similarly, he is finishing as PAK's highest Test highest scorer, but I am afraid, his career would end like ODI as well.

Dravid was struggling before England series. He wanted to retire after England tour but after the successful tour he thought it would be too selfish to retire when the team needed him, so he went on AU's tour and when he failed there he decided to hang his boots in a very dignified manner. Didn't ask for a farewell series in front of his home crowd.

 

[LastManstanding]

Could have chosen to go on a high but the ultimate team man Dravid is, put his team's need ahead of himself.

 

[Sandeep]

Both are greats in their own right. I rate Dravid more through. Just for the aesthetic batting. Younis is too cluttered to my liking.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Pretty sad for Younis. Had he retired at the end of 2014 many Asians would have hailed him as one of the greatest ever in Tests. Now all changes.

 

[badlapur]

After watching the Younis Khan net session ...dunno man!

 

[Ab Fan]

Younis record might well crash overseas if he continues the way. He has just 4 centuries overseas( one vs poor WI ) and none in Australia (a place where your runs get the most value). He is a great test batsmen but not even ahead of the likes of Amla, AB or Cook.

 

[Buffet]

Younis record might well crash overseas if he continues the way. He has just 4 centuries overseas( one vs poor WI ) and none in Australia (a place where your runs get the most value). He is a great test batsmen but not even ahead of the likes of Amla, AB or Cook.

Did you mean outside of Asia? He surely has more than 4 overseas tons.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Dravid hand's down.

 

[Mamoon]

Dravid in England in 2011 vs Younis in England at 2016.

There goes the thread.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is not even a comparision.YK is nowhere near Dravid as a batsman.YK is far behind Inzy who himself is behind Dravid by some distance.If YK had played the amount of tests Dravid did outside Asia i wonder if he would have avgd even 50.The guy just cant handle fast bowlers on a good pitch.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pretty sad for Younis. Had he retired at the end of 2014 many Asians would have hailed him as one of the greatest ever in Tests. Now all changes.

Greatest ever?With nothing much in Eng SA or Aus?

 

[Abhilash93]

Move on. Comparing two greats is never easy, shouldn't be done either; but like most PAK cricketers, YK is going to get the same treatment. He might not have the best techniques, but effective indeed. Has his problem against short balls, but we can't cheery pick such things only - Ponting never sorted his issues with spin & even in his peak years, he was a bunny of Bhajji & Murali.

Rahul was an out standing player, but it took just about 2/3 Tests for him against Patinson & Co. to realise that time has come. Dravid scored 3 hundreds in UK, last one a carried innings from opener; then he was bowled through bat pad few times in Australia - called it a day & still probably the most respected Indian cricketer ever. If allowed, YK'll return to England in 2022 Series - that's the difference.


No one can beat age - YK tried that in ODI, which didn't bring him anything; one of the most criticised LO players from PAK, but so ironic that, he was the man led PAK to their 2nd & so far last World title. Similarly, he is finishing as PAK's highest Test highest scorer, but I am afraid, his career would end like ODI as well.

Ponting failed only against Bhajji, NOT Murali. He played Murali quite well IIRC.

 

[MMHS]

Ponting failed only against Bhajji, NOT Murali. He played Murali quite well IIRC.

I think, he averages around 44-45 in SRL. That's massively inflated for his only hundred against SRL (a not out one) in a drawn match. I can't recall him doing anything significant in SRL (141 was against PAK); more so, whatever scores he did, dominated by 1st innings of a Test. Not sure, how many times he was out to MM, but never looked confident against him.

Playing finger spinners in AUS in not the same like in Asia.

 

[Hasan123]

Dravid is thrice the batsmen yk is.

 

[Abhilash93]

I think, he averages around 44-45 in SRL. That's massively inflated for his only hundred against SRL (a not out one) in a drawn match. I can't recall him doing anything significant in SRL (141 was against PAK); more so, whatever scores he did, dominated by 1st innings of a Test. Not sure, how many times he was out to MM, but never looked confident against him.

Playing finger spinners in AUS in not the same like in Asia.

Scores of 96, 51, 105, 92, 51 in the 10 innings that he played against Murali. The only time he failed was on the 2011 tour when Murali was no longer playing.

 

[majiz]

no, yk is a real asian conditions specialist