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Your thoughts on India's run chase of 338 against England?

Clearly, the Indian team stopped trying to win the game but I have no idea why. It's arrogance I guess from Dhoni but this is just a pathetic way to play the game.
 
I'd be really annoyed if i was an indian fan. You can't not try, its insulting to fans and your country.
 
Lol I’m not into conspiracy theories but the way India batted in last 10 overs should raise some eyebrows, the clear lack of INTENT from Dhoni, Jadav and also Pandya in later part of his innings made it startlingly obvious that they’re not going for it, and what was even more spooky is capacity crowd behaviour, I’ve never seen Indian spectators so relaxed and feeling at ease despite their team on the losing side, the last over they were waving the flags and cheering the team knowing well that they’ve lost it. It’s as if they didn’t care about a win and were happy with the loss, something you don’t associate with highly vocal Indian fans.
 
Imagine if England were chasing 337,would they have been able to do it vs India?
 
England bowled well and India or any team cannot chase above par score in World Cup specially these dry and slow wickets.

So bat first score big and that’s it
 
Sourav Ganguly "You cannot be chasing 338 to win and still have 5 wickets in hand."

"I don't have an explanation for this. Will there be questions asked in the dressing room, just what were you doing out there?" #ENGvIND
 
Pak fans must instrospect that why PAK played so poorly in early stages that its fate went into India's hand...BLAMING INDIA for everything shows how immature fans have become..Why would u put ur team's fate into the hands of other team and expect them to do it for u...This only shows immaturity and foolishness at its apex...Better dont participate in any tournament.
 
Thomaskutty said:
Clearly, the Indian team stopped trying to win the game but I have no idea why. It's arrogance I guess from Dhoni but this is just a pathetic way to play the game.
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very ture.
all other palyers tried their best but dhoni done the opposite.
 
India lost the game in the 1st 10 overs. They were always behind the ball after that. Sharma played a selfish knock and one of him, Kohli and Pant needed to go on

Not sure why and how you can blame the lower order when they had to face Jofra
 
Actually people are forgetting the fact we are a very weak side. Kl flop rahul, spineless dhoni, clueless jadhav
 
Never tried to chase it.

All playing for personal records.

Aus would have chased this down or at least went for it not given up with 5 overs to go.
 
Very strange play for 15 overs. First 10 and last 5. To lose with 5 wickets in hand is baffling. Especially Jadav with zero intent. He should go and India should bring DK back. Even Pandya slowed down at the end and gave rcher too much respect. India will probably face Eng again if Eng win against NZ. Maybe they want to play Eng in the semi
 
xbronze said:
Would Pakistan have done anything different in a similar situation?
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We were in similar position in 2009 and fought tooth and nail against a marauding Aussie side, only losing in the last over of the match while defending a small score.
 
Maybe India was trying to protect their NRR in the event they shockingly lose the next 3 games and Bangladesh beat Pakistan and compete for NRR for the 4th spot? Not sure... it also isn't out of character for MSD to bat in this way. He's lost India games before this way too and that's why I tend to put him behind Michael Bevan and Lance Klusener in top 3 finishers of ODI games. Indian fans will tell u that he's done this many times before - as in, not even try to go after something that looks tough.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Never tried to chase it.

All playing for personal records.

Aus would have chased this down or at least went for it not given up with 5 overs to go.
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Go check out Aus's chase against us before saying they would had chased this lol
 
Well the Indian team had every right to take out Pakistan their arch rival from the worldcup , no need to moan about it , Pak would have done the same thing.
 
India's weak middle order cost them and India knows that very well. Rohit and Kohli were overly hesitant because they know there's no one after them. It is utterly preposterous that with the talent and resources that India possess their middle order is occupied by mediocrity like Kedar Jadhav and Dhoni.
 
Posters have not seen us chase in bilateral , Indian fans have been complaining about this situation for 2 effin years now and still posters think India did it deliberately.

Also without Dhawan we are playing with Rahul, you guys have no idea what a big downgrade that is for ICC touneys
 
Credit goes to Plunkett as well. Excellent cutters and he got Kohli, Pant, Pandya the only three guys that showed intent and could have won it for India. I dia should have gone with BK instead of one of the spinners too
 
100 to chase of last 10, with seven wickets in hand..including a specialist batsman at number 7...and they never really went for it.
 
India does not deserve to win the WC after this disgraceful performance.

Losing is one thing. But shutting up the shop when only 5 down is pathetic. India had 2 supposedly great finishers at the crease. But still played like no.10 and 11.
 
muhammad saad said:
OK they did lose on purpose but at least make it look like they are at least trying , The way in which they setup Pakistan exit is pretty bizarre and unprofessional , Like I said earlier Basit was right.
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C'mon man. We Indians and Pakistani fans see conspiracy every where. Lets give credit to the England players for outplaying India in all the departments.

Just ask yourself, if Pakistan situation was not dependent on this match, most Pakistan fans would have used this match to exclaim how bad this India team is. Now instead we are hearing something else.

It is just the context of the Pakistan survival chances that is making Pakistan fans imagine something that was simply not there. India tried its level best. The better team won. The game of cricket was the winner. As cricket fans lets celebrate this hard fought match and applaud the winners.
 
JaDed said:
Go check out Aus's chase against us before saying they would had chased this lol
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The same strategy yes but a failed strategy. However the difference is Aussies tried to hit and got out. India didn't in the last 5 overs. Zero intent
 
Bilal7 said:
"Even we could have accelerated and got to the target because the pitch was flat... but I think their bowlers bowled well" - Kohli at the post-match presentation.

Kohli knows but the poor guy can't do much.
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He is the biggest dramebaaz.Pak faans should stop supporting this ****.Where was his vulgarity today?
 
Let them play as they want. I know pakistani fans wanted an India win, but we can only blame ourselves. Can’t rely on others.
 
rhony said:
Credit goes to Plunkett as well. Excellent cutters and he got Kohli, Pant, Pandya the only three guys that showed intent and could have won it for India. I dia should have gone with BK instead of one of the spinners too
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I know the one ain diff was him, Rohit wasn't able to pick him at all and then Kohli.
 
JaDed said:
Go check out Aus's chase against us before saying they would had chased this lol
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I said Aus would have chased THIS down today. If you think every cricket match is the same, you're wasting your time watching this sport.
 
JaDed said:
Posters have not seen us chase in bilateral , Indian fans have been complaining about this situation for 2 effin years now and still posters think India did it deliberately.

Also without Dhawan we are playing with Rahul, you guys have no idea what a big downgrade that is for ICC touneys
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Lol, it's about the lack of intent in the last five, when India had five wickets in hand. Even Kohli was hinting at the "discussions the two guys had in the middle" and that he will need to "sit down and assess situations".
 
All the armchair experts claiming that India could have doe this and that including hit England out of the park forget that England is a good team too and they were also playing with the intent to win
 
Hahaah PPers are so gullible , always ready to believe in conspiry theories. Simple fact is Indian batting is just rubbish. Rohit and Kohli are the only 2 batsmen we have.
 
xbronze said:
C'mon man. We Indians and Pakistani fans see conspiracy every where. Lets give credit to the England players for outplaying India in all the departments.

Just ask yourself, if Pakistan situation was not dependent on this match, most Pakistan fans would have used this match to exclaim how bad this India team is. Now instead we are hearing something else.

It is just the context of the Pakistan survival chances that is making Pakistan fans imagine something that was simply not there. India tried its level best. The better team won. The game of cricket was the winner. As cricket fans lets celebrate this hard fought match and applaud the winners.
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I dont remember many chases when you go back loosing with 5 wickets in tank.
 
KingKhanWC said:
I said Aus would have chased THIS down today. If you think every cricket match is the same, you're wasting your time watching this sport.
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And if you are talking about "for" sures maybe you don't know about it?
 
If it's a green top against New Zealand then England should be prepared for a different monster. India pretty much gave up as soon as the Pant-Pandya partnership was broken.
 
Scoring over 300 chasing and still people saying India thrown match without intent
I tell you i will take that any day of year
Imagine what will be score if we chased with so called intent
Guys give England some credit for playing brilliant game
 
Its clear not every Indian player threw the game.Shami,Bumrah tried,Pandya,Pant tried in batting.But there are Gautam Gambhir types who will throw the game and thats what we saw.Certainly led by MS
 
rhony said:
The same strategy yes but a failed strategy. However the difference is Aussies tried to hit and got out. India didn't in the last 5 overs. Zero intent
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Bilal7 said:
Lol, it's about the lack of intent in the last five, when India had five wickets in hand. Even Kohli was hinting at the "discussions the two guys had in the middle" and that he will need to "sit down and assess situations".
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True about intent, but Dhoni's intent has been disaster for a while now.
 
hashimafzal said:
Why does India care if Pakistan makes the Semis or not?

After Pandya got out, the chances of an India win went almost to 0 anyways.

Is it Indias fault Pakistan folded for 105 against West Indies?

Or when they beat us?

Or when we lost to Australia?

Shouldn't have to depend on others to make the semis. Win your own games first.
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Make some fools understand this who want INDIA to do it for PAK...WOULD PAK have returned the favour by losing to INDIA in Finals that they were helped by India to reach to knockout stage..
 
It was a farce, and hence why I never supported India, even in this match where their win would have helped us.
 
Credit where credit is due.. English bowlers bowled to their field, hardly bowled loose deliveries. They bowled cutters, slower deliveries, back of a length deliveries.. Its very tough to score sixes and fours freely against such deliveries. India did well to reach 300+, any other team would have folded up much earlier looking for boundaries at will. However, should have accelerated when Hardik Pandya and MS Dhoni were batting with 100 runs to go from 60 balls.
 
Without a single Six India was in a position to win the match. They constructed beautifully. But sadly India's supposed finishers let India down.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Hahaah PPers are so gullible , always ready to believe in conspiry theories. Simple fact is Indian batting is just rubbish. Rohit and Kohli are the only 2 batsmen we have.
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We are talking about intent here. 100 runs needed of last 10 overs with 6-7 wickets at hand. ENG was in similar position and they score 92, despite Bumrah brillant bowling.
 
jiduguravindra said:
India still in the game until pant got out.If dhoni plays like this in a must win game, he will be definitely dropped from the team after wc.
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not if its a team decision.. which i think it was ...and even if it was, i dont have any issues with them doing it ... as i said , all is fair in war ... try to get ur enemy out which ever way it can b done..
 
shokz1408 said:
I'd be really annoyed if i was an indian fan. You can't not try, its insulting to fans and your country.
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Actually they were quite relaxed in the stands and didn’t care for the outcome. Also the atmosphere wasn’t as electric as you generally see with Indian fans, they’re highly charged and cheer everything coming off the bat, wasn’t the case today, it gave a somber dull and indifferent kind of feeling with respect to Indian crowd, which is very unlike them. It’s as if they were fully aware of the importance of this loss which could potentially knockout Pakistan from the WC but Ofcourse they wouldn’t just make it obvious just like their team, however deep inside they wished that India would lose somehow to make it difficult for Pakistan. And that perfectly aligns with the general sentiment of a common Indian with regards to this match.
 
Dhoni is not international class any more. Should have retired last year.
 
I am not surprised to see this and to expect anything else was being overly optimistic. A country that has done everything that it can to hurt Pakistan from its lobbying to get Pakistan on FATF list to unsuccessfully trying to hit targets in Pakistan which they failed at miserably and embaralassed themselves on world stage. It's not like indias policy ever has been of separating cricket and politics as evident by India refusing to play Pakistan on bilateral series.
 
member250 said:
We are talking about intent here. 100 runs needed of last 10 overs with 6-7 wickets at hand. ENG was in similar position and they score 92, despite Bumrah brillant bowling.
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Just goes to say how much superior ENG team is to India. Breaks my heart to accept this as a India fan, but as a cricket fan I have to accept the truth.
 
Looks like Basit Ali was right

But on a serious note England was gonna beat India because England is mother of India
 
That was almost an action replay of the 2018 Lord's ODI where India were just plodding along at the end.

With 5 wickets with hand at least give it a go.
 
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Today India hit Pakistan where it hurts the most.

All this talk of friendship among neighbours is a sham. Machiavellian approach by India showed this.

If i could ask for a couple of miracles i would ask that Bangladesh and Srilanka both beat India by heavy margins.
 
Syed1 said:
Maybe that's why no single boundary was hit from overs 46-49? and 60 odd were scored in the last 10? Do not expose your lack of knowledge.
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No idea how having an opinion expose someones "lack of knowledge", but

Watching the game clearly showed the only one with a chance of taking this game anywhere was Pandya. That dismissal left an old man Dhoni and Jadhav (who I don't believe fits into this side) coming in at 7 to score 71 in 5 overs.

Say what you want about the intent, but I will take England 10 times out of 10 in that situation to close out the game.

While I don't appreciate the approach to the chase in the end, the result was only inevitable.

(Unless you are trying to claim conspiracy)
 
If pakistan played like this I would be so annoyed! We wouldn't have deserved to win the world cup if we didn't play to win where it was possible.
 
Madplayer said:
Today India hit Pakistan where it hurts the most.

All this talk of friendship among neighbours is a sham. Machiavellian approach by India showed this.

If i could ask for a couple of miracles i would ask that Bangladesh and Srilanka both beat India by heavy margins.
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not happening though.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India's innings split:<br><br>1-10 ---- 28/1<br>11-20 ---- 55/0<br>21-30 ---- 69/1<br>31-40 ---- 82/2<br>41-50 ---- 72/1<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1145389843268218880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The MS Dhoni and Kedar Jadhav partnership:<br><br>31 balls<br>39 runs<br>7 dots <br>20 singles <br>3 fours <br>1 six<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1145392094758035458?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2019</a></blockquote>
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ENG with their ** short boundaries on flat wickets.

Virat Kohli: "Look every team has lost a a game here and there. No one likes to lose but you have to accept the other side played better. The mood is absolutely same in the change room, we understand as professional cricketers it's a setback. (The toss) was vital, specially looking at the boundary that was quite short. I think it was 59 metres which coincidentally is the minimum amount required in an international match. Quite bizarre on a flat pitch. It's crazy that things fall in place like that randomly. But we should have been clinical because the wicket was flat. We could have accelerated and got closer to their total. If batsmen are able to reverse sweep you for six on a 59 metre boundary there is not much you can do. And one side was 82 metres. Look they had to be a bit smart in the lines they bowled, but you can't do much with a short boundary. I thought they were going towards 360 at one stage and we did quite well to pull them back. We could have restricted them more but Ben played a good innings. We were quite happy at the break. We thought if we get a start we can get it but that didn't happen, we still had a partnership. When Pant and Pandya were in there we thought we had a decent chance. But England were better on the day.
 
Yeah it was such a difficult total to chase down...

So we are just going to play dots balls, leave balls and show no intention of playing any shots and call it a day...

Difficulty scoring is one thing...not even making an attempt at it is another...India is guilty of the latter and hence they deliberately lost this match...

No different than W. Germany Vs. Austria in 1982 football WC...
 
When you are faced with a target of 338 you would expect India to chase it and Kohli and Sharma really started the chase off as you should hit the bad balls, rotate get the singles doubles milk the spinners target 1 bowler.

Still India do have a weak middle order and that showed today. England were the better team throughout, they fielded like superstars, they batted brilliantly and they also bowled magnificently.
I always said to people if there is 1 team that can stop India in this world cup its England.

I am a pakistani fan but I won't be 2-faced or turn to support India so it favours Pakistan like most of people have today around the world.
You have to appreciate good quality cricket.

Remember teams chasing have lost most of the time time this world cup and some of the totals this last week or so have been 230-240-250-260 so 338 is a winnable total.

England are here to win the world cup
India are here to win the world cup
Australia are here to win the world cup
New Zealand are here to win the world cup.

Why should any team perform badly or be blamed for a loss just so it favours another team who do not deserve to squeeze through if they have not earnt it or performed as a team that wants to win the World Cup.

Age is not on Dhoni's side anymore so you cannot expect him to score 10-14 runs an over with a weak middle order which has not been tested because of Indias top 3 batsman and Dhoni.

Today England did what they had to do and India tried and lost by a respectable 31 runs where most chsing this would have lost by a far bigger margin

Lets give credit where its due. Well done England
Hard luck India

Bye bye Pakistan!
 
Dont worry guys .. chill.. we have the great msd in our team.. he will single handedly lose every game for us.. with MS ( most selfish) dhoni in our team, we dont deserve a place in the semifinals
 
Lol amazing how matchfixing is being thrown around, PP are angry at their team and taking it out on India ,such a terrible mindset.
 
I thought Kohli, Sharma and Pandya batted very well but Dhoni was rubbish and so was Jadhav.

Last 5 overs there was very little intent and as an Indian fan that was really sad to see.
 
Madplayer said:
Today India hit Pakistan where it hurts the most.

All this talk of friendship among neighbours is a sham. Machiavellian approach by India showed this.

If i could ask for a couple of miracles i would ask that Bangladesh and Srilanka both beat India by heavy margins.
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As a team INDIA fan it hurts me to accept this, but given how badly India's weakness was exposed by team ENG today, don't be surprised if Bangladesh and Srilanka beat India.

I was hoping that a South Asian team wins the cup, but after today's match I am really not certain. Sad day for all South Asian fans. I feel as sad as you today. But cricket was the winner for some great cricket especially from England.
 
Dinesh karthik could possibly have won this game. He is a good player of fast bowling unlike this Jadhav.
 
Zhasan said:
Yeah it was such a difficult total to chase down...

So we are just going to play dots balls, leave balls and show no intention of playing any shots and call it a day...

Difficulty scoring is one thing...not even making an attempt at it is another...India is guilty of the latter and hence they deliberately lost this match...

No different than W. Germany Vs. Austria in 1982 football WC...
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you are angry because this result put PAK in a tough position. Let's be honest, would you be this angry if it were just another india vs eng match?
 
member250 said:
We are talking about intent here. 100 runs needed of last 10 overs with 6-7 wickets at hand. ENG was in similar position and they score 92, despite Bumrah brillant bowling.
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What intent. Indian batting can have all the intent in the world but they are so rubbish they can't do anything. Why don't you understand that?
 
I have witnessed so many world cup matches. NEver seen an Indian side going down without a fight in the end overs.
 
We may be upset but the truth is that top teams do not depend on others to qualify.

If Pakistan wants to qualify on merit than they have to beat Bang with a big enough margin to have a better run rate than NZ.
 
Cricket World said:
No intent to win looked deliberate attempt
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Instead we should accept that ENG played amazing cricket. Just look at some of the impossible catches that England took. Unbelievable stuff. ENG surely is the strongest contender to win the cup, even above Australia. You heard it here first.
 
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