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Your thoughts on Jasprit Bumrah?

^Oh you meant one of the best.

Ok then.

I read it wrong.

Considering there are hardly few good T20 teams with India being one of them, its a given.
 
Our middle order is arguably the worst amongst the major teams so not a given at all :)
 
JaDed said:
This time Kohli used Bumrah just like Dhoni does,as a player Dhoni should be out but the way its going won't mind if he stays a bit because Kohli doesn't seem to be that great in LOI although the batting has come to form at all.
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Highest run scorer in an entire IPL season, single highhandedly won the T20 QF game vs Australia, willingly scores half-centuries and centuries against Pakistan and this guy says Kohli doesn't seem to be that great in LOI.
 
LegendAli said:
Highest run scorer in an entire IPL season, single highhandedly won the T20 QF game vs Australia, willingly scores half-centuries and centuries against Pakistan and this guy says Kohli doesn't seem to be that great in LOI.
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Think he was talking of kohli's captaincy not batting?
 
LegendAli said:
Highest run scorer in an entire IPL season, single highhandedly won the T20 QF game vs Australia, willingly scores half-centuries and centuries against Pakistan and this guy says Kohli doesn't seem to be that great in LOI.
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The captaincy mate.
 
Zak_Fan said:
30 out of 33 international matches Bumrah played have been a masterclass in death bowling. Yet we have people here calling him ordinary. :facepalm:
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Because what you call masterclass is average to most of us here :facepalm: . You guys need to move on tbh. He was very average against eng in odis. He looks like a t20 specialist (on his days)

poor umpriting won you that match(a t20 actually) not bumrah


Regards
 
Difficult to rate an Indian pacer even if he seems to be doing well. You never know when they will turn poor. Harsh truth.
 
pacesensation said:
Because what you call masterclass is average to most of us here :facepalm: . You guys need to move on tbh. He was very average against eng in odis. He looks like a t20 specialist (on his days)

poor umpriting won you that match(a t20 actually) not bumrah


Regards
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Bhai since you're very passionate about fast bowling, I'm asking you this question.

What do you think is the reason behind the fall in the standards of Pakistani fast bowling. Indian fast bowlers who have historically lagged behind have overtaken them in terms of performance over all formats. What do you think is holding the fast bowling back in Pakistan?

Is it the nepotism disallowing proper talents to get selected or is it the lack of guidance from past legends?
 
he is good. he will only be troubled by the top bracket of batsman who are proper power hitters.
can you imagine rizwan and imad at the death vs this guy.
 
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Best death bowler in the world! :bow:
No one is even close to him in that aspect.
 
He's already been the top bowler in T20Is rankings and is currently at number 2! He's been playing international cricket just for an year.

Incredible journey so far, will keep gettiing better hopefully , has all the tools for becoming a Test and ODI regular as well after playing some more FC cricket in the next 12-18 months.
 
It’s still early days but amazed (pleasantly) at how Bumrah’s career has started out. When I first saw him play in the IPL I though he’d be a one season wonder. Can’t wait to see him in the English tests in the summer.
 
Impressed

Him and Bhuvi make a good combination

If they can stop relying just on Kohli, I can see them winning test series in England.
 
Good bowler and still in learning phase hopefully becomes consistent in pitching areas and could go on to enjoy next 5-6 years as a very good bowler.
 
Combination of Bumrah and Bhuvi will be deadly in England.

Shami has been disappointing though after his memorable efforts against Australia.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Not a proper test bowler. He will have his days like this. He has lot of room to improve.
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He is still learning he hasn’t got a big first class experience behind him so he needs to learn to be consistent in pitching areas and if he can learn that he will be excellent bowler for us in overseas tours..
 
Chrish said:
Combination of Bumrah and Bhuvi will be deadly in England.

Shami has been disappointing though after his memorable efforts against Australia.
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BK/Bumrah/Shami/Ash/Jaddu/Ishant is a pretty good Test attack. They will do well on most surfaces.
 
Wasim Akram urges Jasprit Bumrah to play County Cricket

Wasim Akram rated Bhuvneshwar Kumar as the best Indian bowler in the current setup, and felt Jasprit Bumrah should play county cricket to improve his red-ball skills.

Bumrah did not have a great start to his Test career when he leaked easy runs in the first innings of his debut game against South Africa in Durban in January. He, however, learned his lessons fast to register his first five-wicket haul in the third Test in Johannesburg. He finished with a match analysis of 7 for 111 as India secured a 63-run win. India lost the series 1-2, but their performance in the final Test, on a pitch that was rated “poor” by the International Cricket Council, earned them rave reviews.

Michael Holding, a television commentator for the series, felt that Bumrah might not be that effective during India’s Test series in England this year as he is more of a hit-the-deck bowler. Akram, who took 374 wickets for Lancashire in 91 first-class matches, said that Bumrah could improve with county experience provided he is ready to forego his lucrative deal with Mumbai Indians by not opting to play in the Indian Premier League.

“I agree with Mike that you can’t hit the deck on English surfaces but that would only come with experience. Look, the BCCI doesn’t allow the Indian boys (who represent the country in both Test and limited overs format) to play county cricket,” Akram told PTI on the sidelines of the St. Moritz Ice Cricket Tournament. “If Bumrah plays at least one month of county every year, trust me, he will be a better bowler. But then Indian board has to tell Bumrah ‘forego a month’s IPL and play county cricket’.

“He has had a good start to his Test career after starting off as a T20 specialist. So, it’s a kind of change in mindset that is slowly happening for him,” he added. “If people are talking about not having an outswinger, I won’t be bothered much. But if Bumrah can learn how to straighten the ball after pitching coming from wide of the crease, more often than not it will be his wicket-taking delivery. He just needs to use a bit of wrists for that.”

Bhuvneshwar’s form in South Africa was terrific. Dropped for the second Test after taking six wickets in the first, he made a strong statement with the bat and ball in the final game.

“Bhuvneshwar Kumar has been the most impressive pacer in South Africa as far as my assessment goes,” Akram said. “He was getting the ball to swing both ways. And with increased pace now, he has become all the more effective.”

While Bhuvneshwar and Bumrah laid the foundation for the Johannesburg Test win, Mohammed Shami hastened the proceedings with four late-order wickets. He returned figures of 5 for 28, helping India wrap up the game with a little over a day to go.

Akram felt that there was scope for improvement for Shami. “Shami is a good bowler, but sometimes I feel he is a bit laidback,” he said. “As a fast bowler, irrespective of the match situation you should just sprint in and try to hurry the batsmen who have front foot trigger movement.

“During his run-up, Shami, at times, tends to take small strides before the final load up to the crease. Now when he is in rhythm, his strides are correct and equally measured but (the) moment he gets a bit wayward, his strides get smaller. It should always be the opposite,” he elaborated. “When the length of the stride decreases, a person’s bowling action doesn’t get completed. The force that is generated from the back goes missing and one loses out on a lot of pace.”

Akram, who picked up 916 international wickets over 19 years, said Shami’s knee will always be an “issue”, and recommended him to work on the lower body.

“He (Shami) is a strong lad and has played fair amount of international cricket to know how he should be working on his body, so he can play for India for at least ten years.”

https://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-news/akram-urges-bumrah-play-county-cricket/291791
 
He's a very good LO bowler. Good with the new ball and at the end of the innings he bowls good yorkers and doesn't go for many runs.

Rate him highly in LO. Time will tell how he does in tests. Interested to see his progress in that format.
 
He’s good but doesn’t seem like the kind of bowler who will rip through a lineup. Just consistently picks up 1-2 wickets.

More of a supporting bowler
 
Just browsed this thread. PPers liked to judge players based on 2-3 overs. And nothing has changed.

And most don't take ownership of their previous assessments.
 
Reminds me of Sohail Tanvir and Mustafizur Rahman. Had fantastic starts where their orthodoxy made them potent. But ran out of tricks once people figured them out.
 
Bowls the fuller length well, and comes onto you quicker than you think. Very similar to Kumble.
 
‘Always wanted to play Test cricket, I rate it highly’ – Jasprit Bumrah

Jasprit Bumrah is currently nursing an injury to his thumb, but he can’t wait to don the Test whites again.

Bumrah is in line to play at Lord’s on 9 August, when the second of the five-Test series between England and India commences. He will miss the opening match of the series at Edgbaston, having sustained the thumb injury during the T20Is in Ireland.

Bumrah, 24, is just three Tests old. He made his debut earlier this year during India’s three-match series in South Africa and has so far picked up 14 wickets in his short Test career.

He is expected to slot right back into the playing XI after recovery, and given his love for the format, it’s understandable why he can’t contain his excitement.

"I enjoy playing each and every format but for me, Test cricket is at the paramount level because I feel everything is tested at that level," he told his IPL franchise Mumbai Indians’ official website.

“I always wanted to play Test cricket. I was happy when I finally got to play it in South Africa. The start also went well. I always loved Test cricket and I rate it very highly.

"Hopefully, whenever I play more, I'll be able to do well and gain more confidence. So that will reflect on other formats as well. I don't have any (other) personal goals. I take it one day at a time.”

Bumrah revealed he was the type to meticulously plan ahead of overseas tours, and admitted he wished to explore England as much as possible.

“You look to enjoy the country, you look to see the place,” he said. “That is how you get to know about the culture of the place, and you eventually start enjoying the country. It then reflects on your performance as well.

"Whenever I go to a new country, I always plan in advance. Before visiting the country, I have a look at a few videos. What works over there. What the home team does over there. It is very important for long tours to enjoy the country and see the places. So that's the basic thing that I look to follow.”

The first Test begins at Edgbaston on 1 August.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/788441
 
Adijazz1706 said:
His action might make him injury prone, it's a very strange action
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Years ago, I never thought he could last with that action, but he is quick in all formats and fitness has never been an issue. Maybe his action just looks worse than it is.
 
BlackShadow said:
Years ago, I never thought he could last with that action, but he is quick in all formats and fitness has never been an issue. Maybe his action just looks worse than it is.
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His bowling action looks dodgy.The umpires are reluctant to point it out due to disproportionate influence of BCCI over ICC.
 
Artaxerxes said:
His bowling action looks dodgy.The umpires are reluctant to point it out due to disproportionate influence of BCCI over ICC.
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True, on camera I've been noticing a massive jerk in his action. Could be an optical illusion like Akhtar where he had hyperflexibilty if I'm right
 
His action is clean and the umpires would have called it had it even been remotely suspect.

He’s been a great bowler for India and probably their best all-round prospect since... I don’t know.
 
Not the action, his stock length and deliveries remind me of Mkhaya Ntini.
 
Finisher said:
Not the action, his stock length and deliveries remind me of Mkhaya Ntini.
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Ntini literally had one delivery: short-of-a-length across the left-hander.

Sometimes it worked well, sometimes not so much and at times, not at all.

He’s in better shape now then when he was playing.
 
Has been the #1 ODI bowler for a long time now, and what a great start to his Test career. Bowled brilliantly in SA and now here.
 
Remarkable progress from SA tour onwards. So many experts wrote him off as a short format specialist. But kudos to Kohli and Shastri for backing him in SA. Playing just his 4th test butlooks like someone who's been playing tests for a few years.

We should not play him much in T20s. Should be a regular in Tests and ODIs. Showing how much we missed him in first two tests in better bowling conditions. Will be an asset for us on Australian pitches. Save him for that series please.
 
Bowled 29 overs too and yet the pace remained as consistent throughout. Special talent.
 
Bumrah now has the bowl which leaves the right hander or just straightens. This makes his big incoming delivery very dangerous. He also has the pace to bowl wicked bouncers.

But his No Balls. Someone get that right.
 
Quality bowler. I agree with Mamoon - best Asian bowler across formats at present.
 
Want him to break the middle stump of Fakhar Zaman in Asia cup...only then I will forgive him for that no ball.
 
Every single Indian bowlers starts of with a bang.

I remember watching Irfan pathan, he was outstanding vs Aus. Pace,swing and seam movement everything about was special. I thought he would become an ATG but he phased out with time.

Same happened with Ishant, i genuinely though that he was a special bowler.

If bumrah can stay away from the typical Indian bowler syndrome, I think he will have a decent career. Though his action is painful to watch.
 
Bumrah is bit Pakistani in the sense that he epitomizes why pace is pace yaar. If you can bowl relatively long spells and still be 145k+ consistently with both yorkers and bouncers in your armoury, it will be a tough proposition for any batsman. Unless Australia prepare roads, he will terrorize their batsmen later in the year with no Smith.


That said, he will never be world class until he fixes his no ball-ing problem.

Can someone who understands fast bowling explain why it is not straightforward to fix?
 
Sin Nombre said:
Bumrah is bit Pakistani in the sense that he epitomizes why pace is pace yaar. If you can bowl relatively long spells and still be 145k+ consistently with both yorkers and bouncers in your armoury, it will be a tough proposition for any batsman. Unless Australia prepare roads, he will terrorize their batsmen later in the year with no Smith.


That said, he will never be world class until he fixes his no ball-ing problem.

Can someone who understands fast bowling explain why it is not straightforward to fix?
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Australia is a graveyard for bowlers of any kind and if you do well in your first tour there, you have a potential ATG on your hands.

Akram and Ambrose were brilliant but for different reasons.

If Bumrah wants to be a great bowler and succeed in Australia, he either needs to...

1) Skid on like he is currently doing so because his height is too small to extract able bounce. (His bouncer to Woakes today was beautiful; Marshallesque)

2) Swing the ball at full length and not rely too much on the yorker or bouncer overall. He has an akward action so I would recommend making full use of it by using unusual angles to make the batsmen uncomfortable.

The Aussies used Number 2 to perfection against the English tail and all left-handers in the recent Ashes.
 
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Jasprit Bumrah has had a great start to his Test career. 14 wickets in SA and already 7 wickets in the first Test in England. I agree that the wickets have been helpful but I am impressed with his fitness and accuracy. India need to take care of him well and not play him in unnecessary ODI/T20 games. I hope he gets rested after the England series, so that he is fit for Australia.
 
Abdullah719 said:
What if that's also a no-ball :akhtar

OK just kidding. Looking forward to the encounter(s), the first one is less than a month away.
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He does seem to have problems with his front foot. Bowled quite a few in this match as well including the one where he got Rashid out.
 
giri26 said:
Jasprit Bumrah has had a great start to his Test career. 14 wickets in SA and already 7 wickets in the first Test in England. I agree that the wickets have been helpful but I am impressed with his fitness and accuracy. India need to take care of him well and not play him in unnecessary ODI/T20 games. I hope he gets rested after the England series, so that he is fit for Australia.
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He just had a 2 month or 6 weeks rest.So should be good.

But they need to rest him for Asia cup and WI ODIs. Let him play important test series.

He can skip a few tests in India too.

We have Shami Ishant Umesh Bumrah and Bhuvi so we can easily rotate the 4 bowlers in tests in India. Its the overseas tests that we need to worry about.

Same with Virat.
 
cricketjoshila said:
He just had a 2 month or 6 weeks rest.So should be good.

But they need to rest him for Asia cup and WI ODIs. Let him play important test series.

He can skip a few tests in India too.

We have Shami Ishant Umesh Bumrah and Bhuvi so we can easily rotate the 4 bowlers in tests in India. Its the overseas tests that we need to worry about.

Same with Virat.
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We need to manage Jasprit's work load like England did with Anderson. Play him in important LOI games only and make sure he gets enough rest for the overseas test series.
Don't play him in T20 games at all whether it's a world cup or a bilateral series. Nobdoy cares about those matches and test cricket should remain the ultimate priority.
 
People haven't figured him out yet and he is making the most of it. Definite asset to India.
 
Shows what India missed during ODI series and first 2 tests. Would have surely been massive upgrade over likes of Umesh and Kuldeep.

England were terribly lucky not to have faced him till now.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Indian version of Jason Gillespie
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Won't say that especially this early in Bumrah's career. Gillespie was incredibly skillful bowler who had probably the maximum misfortune of playing along side McWarne besides having to tear his hairs apart seeing how many edges flew off him.

Perhaps unluckiest bowler ever! Australia conquering their final frontier in 2003-04 was mostly due to him and another unsung hero of that tour, Damien Martyn while their more fancied compatriots fell by way side.
 
TM Riddle said:
We need to manage Jasprit's work load like England did with Anderson. Play him in important LOI games only and make sure he gets enough rest for the overseas test series.
Don't play him in T20 games at all whether it's a world cup or a bilateral series. Nobdoy cares about those matches and test cricket should remain the ultimate priority.
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What about IPL 10+ matches :13:
 
MP2011 said:
Won't say that especially this early in Bumrah's career. Gillespie was incredibly skillful bowler who had probably the maximum misfortune of playing along side McWarne besides having to tear his hairs apart seeing how many edges flew off him.

Perhaps unluckiest bowler ever! Australia conquering their final frontier in 2003-04 was mostly due to him and another unsung hero of that tour, Damien Martyn while their more fancied compatriots fell by way side.
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Actually Ishant Sharma is our partial Jason Gillespie... Considering the work load he went through from the age of 18 or 19 with unlucky results and minimum acknowledgement but maximum trolls! (Actually Dhoni didn't use him in a better way, spoiled his spirits by making him play in lot of LOIs)
 
RamLakhan said:
Actually Ishant Sharma is our partial Jason Gillespie... Considering the work load he went through from the age of 18 or 19 with unlucky results and minimum acknowledgement but maximum trolls! (Actually Dhoni didn't use him in a better way, spoiled his spirits by making him play in lot of LOIs)
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Ishant even at his best isn't fit to tie shoelaces of Gillespie!
 
However I agree he should have never played ODI cricket, he is just not made for that format.
 
MP2011 said:
Ishant even at his best isn't fit to tie shoelaces of Gillespie!
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That's why I told "partial"... Cool up... We don't need to undermine our players that much... Ishant did not grow up in the lively & bouncy conditions that Gillespie got! Otherwise his records would have been different! Still he was so impressive in the very first tour to Australia!

On the other hand didn't you see how people mocked our spinners when some O'Keefe or Z'Chief did a kind of Stuart Binny in some match? Probably some wanted Ashwin & Jadeja do go under his feet to learn spin-bowling is it! Why that Indians should receive a double edged sword always? Harsh treatment and layers of scrutiny even for Sachin, Kohli, etc!
 
Well, that's the pitfall of having richest and most influential cricket board around with no. 1 team to boot!
 
As I said in the other thread, any other team will give anything to have a home record like India. However we are mocked for possessing that record! Its not that home wins come cheap. Anybody having truly witnessed our home tests would have surely seen how much effort our players have to put in even to earn home wins.

I feel no test win comes cheap and hence no test win is a fluke. Its earned across mostly 5 days of consistent and hard cricket played by 2 teams.
 
Quality bowler,He may have won more matches than Kohli when they played together but bowlers perfromance always go missing.
 
Best Indian pacer in LOIs by far and one of the best in the world.

Another quality performance.
 
Was reading comments by same PPers on the first and last (fifth) page of this thread. Very humbling to see how most of us, including I, are so bad at recognising talent.
 
Gave away 10 runs in the last 6 overs he bowled for 2 wickets. The last two overs he bowled fetched 2 runs. He's turning out to be a legendary bowler.
 
rhony said:
Gave away 10 runs in the last 6 overs he bowled for 2 wickets. The last two overs he bowled fetched 2 runs. He's turning out to be a legendary bowler.
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He bowled well but those last 2 overs were clearly more economical because of Stoinis's reluctance to attack him.
 
Reading the responses from page 1 is funny now lol.

Seems like nobody rated him, including the Indian posters. Except probably Saj.

Bumrah is probably one of the few players who got transformed from being perceived as a meme player to one of the best in the world. Steve Smith and Jadeja are the only other two who I can think of falling under this category.
 
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