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Rohit was mocked as Mr Talent & 2 minute noodlesAhh yes, who can forget the Sir Ravindra Jadeja days
That's the biggest transformation for sure. Rohit was still rated highly in India as a batting talent, before he cracked the code in international cricket
Msd should be credited for both rohit and jadeja.after 84 odis, rohit avg was 28.jadeja sucessfully screwed the team in 3 imp matches in his first 6 months itself.Indian fans used to hurl abuses at both a lot.Ahh yes, who can forget the Sir Ravindra Jadeja days
That's the biggest transformation for sure. Rohit was still rated highly in India as a batting talent, before he cracked the code in international cricket
Rohit had won us a CT and made two double centuries even before 2015.Rohit was mocked as Mr Talent & 2 minute noodles
But he changed the game after 2015
Yes, promoting Rohit to the opening slot in the 2013 CT was the turning-pointMsd should be credited for both rohit and jadeja.after 84 odis, rohit avg was 28.jadeja sucessfully screwed the team in 3 imp matches in his first 6 months itself.Indian fans used to hurl abuses at both a lot.
I Missed his today spell . Highlights m maja ni ata jo live streaming m ata hai.He is a box office player and makes the game exciting to watch. World cricket needs players like him. Every ball is an event when he is at his best

This is level of pakistan old posters.And you can tell that after he bowled 4 overs in a micky mouse competition. Your talents are wasted on this forum-you should take over from mystic meg.

Test cricket is made exciting only through high quality bowling spells and particularly fast bowling.I
I Missed his today spell . Highlights m maja ni ata jo live streaming m ata hai.![]()
I am not a Pakistan fan. And they are not minnows.Those are your favourite Team supporter aka Pakistani. Those are clueless like you favourite minnow team![]()
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When i said you're a Pakistani fan. Read carefully i used " Your favourite minnow pakistan team ".I am not a Pakistan fan. And they are not minnows.

Good T20 bowler. Won't hack it either in ODIs or Tests IMO.![]()

I never expected him to play even Tests given his awkward action which looked highly injury prone on first sight. Over a period learnt this action works for him. Action is only half. Accuracy , consistency, planning all these things are separate.tbf nobody expected Bumrah to be so good. Most people ( including myself ) thought he wud be poor man's Malinga. Useful only in white ball cricket
But he surprised everyone by proving himself in test cricket. Great example of how a player evolved over the years & improved himself
And he is staking a claim to be a ATGAmazing talent)
This is the best parossis can produce![]()
I don't think anyone saw him doing well in longer formatsMy brother Nikhil was so wrong about GOAT.![]()
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His ability to keep learning is what makes him special. I still remember his first test in SA michael holding on air said bumrah will not last in test as he can’t bowl the out swinger. Few months later in england he was bowling outswingersI think it is fair to accept that Bumrah is quite comfortably the best bowler of this generation. His overall avg, overall away avg, skill set and performance vs the best team,i.e. Australia puts him a league above Rabada and Cummins. Imagine him playing his home matches in Australia or South Africa or England, he would have got used too playing there and picked plenty more wickets.
Fizzled outMustafizur is better.
Very difficult for non SENAI players to keep improving.Fizzled out
Bhuvi never did it.He was figured out after that awful nz, aus tours in 14.No more test matches and there after he was regular for odis for some time.He lost pace and then the arrival of bumrah, shami made it impossible.There are guys like Bhuvaneswar, Deepak Chahar conveniently get injured outside IPL window and make sure they don't get picked for internationals.
No he still would have been a viable option for England,SA tour. He never worked hard enough.Bhuvi never did it.He was figured out after that awful nz, aus tours in 14.No more test matches and there after he was regular for odis for some time.He lost pace and then the arrival of bumrah, shami made it impossible.
He was always viewed as test match bowler who needs helpful pitches. In sa 2018 3rd test match, he got mom.he was a genuine team player .As a srh fan, i followed his career.He was not good enough to compete with shami , umesh, resurgent ishant and the goat bumrah.He never went up in the test pecking order after 2015.In limited formats, his batting made him viable in that awful tailenders eleven.Few teammates even said bhuvi was so much a sore loser that he will always put 200 percent effort.No he still would have been a viable option for England,SA tour. He never worked hard enough.
The thing is Bumrah could have taken easy way out like Bhuvi did. There was a brief period India had to use Mukesh unadkat etc with loss of ishant and umesh. That commitment deserves a lot of appreciation..He was always viewed as test match bowler who needs helpful pitches. In sa 2018 3rd test match, he got mom.he was a genuine team player .As a srh fan, i followed his career.He was not good enough to compete with shami , umesh, resurgent ishant and the goat bumrah.He never went up in the test pecking order after 2015.In limited formats, his batting made him viable in that awful tailenders eleven.Few teammates even said bhuvi was so much a sore loser that he will always put 200 percent effort.
Bumrah is comfortably the best pacer from Asia. Srinath won't figure out even among the top 5.Srinath was a better bowler from India.
Bumrah can only bowl on pitches with assistance that too only for a game or 2 before getting injured.


Compare him to his peers. Not greats of the past. The pitches have been terrible in last decade or so.Bumrah is comfortably the best pacer from Asia. Srinath won't figure out even among the top 5.
50+ wickets - Asian pacers away from Asia:
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50+ wickers - Asian pacers in Asia:
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So not with Srinath and compare with his peers, yah right?Compare him to his peers. Not greats of the past. The pitches have been terrible in last decade or so.
The quality of batsmanship too has gone down rapidly since the advent of T20.

Tier 1 :
Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Tier 2 :
Ambrose
Steyn
Imran
Wasim
Bumrah
Donald
Tier 3:-
Lillee
Garner
Holding
Cummins
Pollock
Roberts
Waqar
Rabada
Tier 4:-
Walsh
Anderson
Srinath was a better bowler from India.
Bumrah can only bowl on pitches with assistance that too only for a game or 2 before getting injured.

This is what happens when one can't argue against statistical facts.Bumrah is overrated and possibly a chucker too (need to comfirm with testing).![]()
Oh man even Hazlewood don't have a 10fer.. other intersting names are Bret Lee, Gillespie and Matt Henry..Jasprit Bumrah is now tied with Bob Willis for the most 5 wicket innings without a 10 wicket match
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Nobody pushes Hazlewood, Lee, Gillespie or Matt Henry as some kind of GOAT. If you admit he’s just a good bowler and not part of any GOAT conversation people would stop bringing it upOh man even Hazlewood don't have a 10fer.. other intersting names are Bret Lee, Gillespie and Matt Henry..
Away records is not a flex. Every away fixture has invariably better bowling conditions for him.So not with Srinath and compare with his peers, yah right?
Do you see Bumrah's 3-4 of peers appearing in this list?
Pacers away record in the last 55 years: Only 11 make the cut and only one from current era make it. If batsmen quality and pitch etc were making it so easy we should have seen 3-4 of Bumrah's peers making it here. Bumrah is just in different class among all Asian pacers in entire history and also among his peer group. Otherwise this list will be a long one and include many of his peers.
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Yah, that's why Asian pacers usually have worse away record away than home. Away record is the proper flex, home lions are dime and dozens.Away records is not a flex son. Every away fixture has invariably better bowling conditions for him.
Let’s see if he plays in pak, SL or Bangla and then if he performs there then we can judge. Away series in Australia, NZ and SA are a bowler’s dream!


You’re confusing your yardsticks. In England or New Zealand a bowler is judged not on his performances on seaming tracks at home, but how they do on the flatter tracks abroad espSon, LOL.
Yah, that's why Asian pacers usually have worse away record away than home. Away record is the proper flex, home lions are dime and dozens.
It is not enough, Taskin Ahmed, Hasan Mahmud, Ollie Robinson humiliating Pakistan in Pakistan, you want Bumrah to do the same?You’re confusing your yardsticks. In England or New Zealand a bowler is judged not on his performances on seaming tracks at home, but how they do on the flatter tracks abroad esp
Subcontinent.
You’re kind of flipping it here!
I know Indians have to create narratives, but come on, be a bit more creative.
I for one want to see how Bumrah does on a pitch like Rawalpindi or multan let’s see if he’s all he’s made out to be.
I know you posted some stats, I’ll have a read and I’m sure with my contextualisation I can easily bring you down to earth. Simpleton stats don’t work with me
Well let’s see, cricket is not played on paper. It doesn’t have to be Rawalpindi. Let’s actually see him on a proper dead track wherever it is in the world.It is not enough, Taskin Ahmed, Hasan Mahmud, Ollie Robinson humiliating Pakistan in Pakistan, you want Bumrah to do the same?
Agree should have 300 test wickets to be in ATG categoryFlawed bowling action means he's so injury prone. Needs to pick at least 100 more wickets to become part of the conversation.
On a dead pitch - almost every bowler is helpless - including the likes of Lilee , McGrath , Wasim , Ambrose , SteynWell let’s see, cricket is not played on paper. It doesn’t have to be Rawalpindi. Let’s actually see him on a proper dead track wherever it is in the world.
Let’s think back to Old Trafford - the the flattest pitch last summer. Not quite as flat as Rawalpindi but it’s a good measurement. We all saw what happened there, it led to him being dropped err I mean “rested”.
You can create all your fake narratives and play stats yoga, the world isn’t stupid, we can analyse.
And still no 10fer. And still a failure in the second innings. Who knows if he had taken some wickets with the new ball vs SA, India could have won that game. Jansen managed it, why not Bumrah?
Not necessarilyOn a dead pitch - almost every bowler is helpless - including the likes of Lilee , McGrath , Wasim , Ambrose , Steyn
Dont think that should be a yardstick
Bumrah has also won test matches in India in similar conditions ( check out India England series in 2024)Not necessarily
Ben Stokes took a 5fer on that same track, Jofra got a useful 3fer
Too much salt is not good for healthMy thoughts on Bumrah: “he is a great chucker, good thing is that he is tall and handsome”.
My thoughts on Bumrah: “he is a great chucker, good thing is that he is tall and handsome”.
In India Bumrah only really bowls significantly when there’s something in the pitch for fast bowlers.Bumrah has also won test matches in India in similar conditions ( check out India England series in 2024)
If india only produces non flat tracks, how do you know how we bowls on flat tracks?In India Bumrah only really bowls significantly when there’s something in the pitch for fast bowlers.
India very rarely prepare flat tracks anymore
If india only produces non flat tracks, how do you know how we bowls on flat tracks?
The thing is - when shoaib was bowling and it was proven over and over it was hyper extension, the Indians didn’t afford him any courtesy.This dude has made it his life mission to be known as the worst liar on this forum
No matter how much bitter people like you LIE, hyperextension will never be chucking.
You can keep lying and I will keep calling you a liar.
Not necessarily
Ben Stokes took a 5fer on that same track, Jofra got a useful 3fer
No, because you can prove that he did well in many other games on flat tracks.So your evidence is grand total of one test match when bumrah was returning after injury for first series?
Where is the pattern? He has run through sides on flat tracks too when no other fast bowler did anything.
Do you remember akhtar going for 0 for 119 in multan test at a run rate of 4? Can that be used to conclude akhtar never did well on flat tracks?
You’re confusing your yardsticks. In England or New Zealand a bowler is judged not on his performances on seaming tracks at home, but how they do on the flatter tracks abroad esp
Subcontinent.
I know you posted some stats, I’ll have a read and I’m sure with my contextualisation I can easily bring you down to earth. Simpleton stats don’t work with me
The difference and I don’t expect you to include this nuance. Every single bowler has had to toil on some away dead tracks in SL, Pak, UAE etc which naturally will impact their statistics.In entire history of circket, only 9 bowlers have 150+ away wickets with sub 25 avg
That's not a flex, lol
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Flex is home lions list which is 3 times longer list.
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Before some one start talking about pitch being flat in Asia and not suitable for pacers,
Dev - home avg 26 - away avg 32
vaas - home avg 26 - away avg 32
IK - home Avg 19 - Away avg 25
Waqar - home avg 20 - Away avg 25
Wasim - home avg 22 - Away avg 24
Srinath - home avg 26 - Away avg 33
Even the best Asian pacer Bumrah - home avg 16 and away avg 20
So yes, performing better away is harder than doing it at home even for Asian pacers. Most Asian pacers average several points higher when playing away. That's the ususal trend for most Asian or even non-Asian bowlers.
And how other asian bowlers fared in those countries.. Since it easy I guess almost every good pacers will have same record as Bumrah..So performing in multiple tours in nice friendly pitches in Eng, Aus, SA, NZ is no flex.
You can’t compare everything. Quality of batting is obviously going to be different.And how other asian bowlers fared in those countries.. Since it easy I guess almost every good pacers will have same record as Bumrah..
Only fake narrative i see is from you with lot of heart burns lol. Australians who had Dennis Lillee are the one talking about Bumrah being.the GOAT. So are English. You can keep your half baked analysis with yourself. Generally poor cricket acumen. Not surprisingWell let’s see, cricket is not played on paper. It doesn’t have to be Rawalpindi. Let’s actually see him on a proper dead track wherever it is in the world.
Let’s think back to Old Trafford - the the flattest pitch last summer. Not quite as flat as Rawalpindi but it’s a good measurement. We all saw what happened there, it led to him being dropped err I mean “rested”.
You can create all your fake narratives and play stats yoga, the world isn’t stupid, we can analyse.
And still no 10fer. And still a failure in the second innings. Who knows if he had taken some wickets with the new ball vs SA, India could have won that game. Jansen managed it, why not Bumrah?
He has a lot of heart burn world is appreciating him.And how other asian bowlers fared in those countries.. Since it easy I guess almost every good pacers will have same record as Bumrah..
SL, PAk and BD? lolThe difference and I don’t expect you to include this nuance. Every single bowler has had to toil on some away dead tracks in SL, Pak, UAE etc which naturally will impact their statistics.
Bumrah hasn’t played in SL, Pak, Bangladesh, UAE.
So performing in multiple tours in nice friendly pitches in Eng, Aus, SA, NZ is no flex.
Thing is, I know you are clever enough to know the difference, you aren’t stupid, but you hope your readers are simpletons who will do a headshake “oh jes, vun plus vun equal two”.
Nice try tho.
You tried the “who has performed in SENA”? When that was defeated, it becomes “away matches” knowing full well that the away matches are all in SENA!


By your logic, Walsh must be rated higher than Ambrose. He played far more than Ambrose in Asia and did a lot better as well.The difference and I don’t expect you to include this nuance. Every single bowler has had to toil on some away dead tracks in SL, Pak, UAE etc which naturally will impact their statistics.
Bumrah hasn’t played in SL, Pak, Bangladesh, UAE.
So performing in multiple tours in nice friendly pitches in Eng, Aus, SA, NZ is no flex.
Thing is, I know you are clever enough to know the difference, you aren’t stupid, but you hope your readers are simpletons who will do a headshake “oh jes, vun plus vun equal two”.
Nice try tho.
You tried the “who has performed in SENA”? When that was defeated, it becomes “away matches” knowing full well that the away matches are all in SENA!
Yes so bad Bumrah cannot take a 5fer every time he bowlsWell well well - can’t even clean the tail.
But “hE vuLD vElL in eBerY cOnjiShuN”
Sorry, no-one’s claiming any of them are GOAT?Yes so bad Bumrah cannot take a 5fer every time he bowls
Unlike Imran Wasim Waqar who always took a 5 fer , always cleaned up the tail , always won every game they played
No Bumrah has not surpassed them. He needs atleast 300 test wickets to do soSorry, no-one’s claiming any of them are GOAT?
Great bowlers, but apparently a little birdie or bud buddie told me Bumrah has surpassed them all.
Ok fair enough. Respect that opinion, but some of your less educated comrades feel he has surpassed them.No Bumrah has not surpassed them. He needs atleast 300 test wickets to do so
Agree. He is by far the vest strike bowler of his eraIMO there's no such thing as GOAT, only greatest of your era. You can never compare across eras - different conditions, different batsmen, different rules etc. And they never had DRS.
Based on that, I think that Bumrah is the greatest of this era, and we've had Rabada. Not since Steyn have I thought "this oke is special". I'm always nervous when we have to face up to him.
Everyone trying to bring him down, while elevating players like Lillee, really don't see the irony. You can look for any excuse to bring any player down. Lillee never toured the subcontinent, and the few matches he did play in Pakistan, he got sent to all parts. Does that make him any less great in his era? The only thing that matters is how well your peers regard you. Lillee was highly rated by his peers, as is Bumrah.
So who's that GOAT who takes 5fers every time when he bowls..?Sorry, no-one’s claiming any of them are GOAT?
Great bowlers, but apparently a little birdie or bud buddie told me Bumrah has surpassed them all.
Because he is not shortOoh - how did Jansen get a 6fer on this batting paradise?

I agree with you. He is the best of his era.IMO there's no such thing as GOAT, only greatest of your era. You can never compare across eras - different conditions, different batsmen, different rules etc. And they never had DRS.
Based on that, I think that Bumrah is the greatest of this era, and we've had Rabada. Not since Steyn have I thought "this oke is special". I'm always nervous when we have to face up to him.
Everyone trying to bring him down, while elevating players like Lillee, really don't see the irony. You can look for any excuse to bring any player down. Lillee never toured the subcontinent, and the few matches he did play in Pakistan, he got sent to all parts. Does that make him any less great in his era? The only thing that matters is how well your peers regard you. Lillee was highly rated by his peers, as is Bumrah.