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2 Indian aircraft violating Pakistani airspace shot down; pilot arrested

isn't india 3-0 in wars against pakistan?

they had upper hand in '65, we lost in '71 and '99?
 
This is all because of those FRICKEN KASHMIRIs........ India and Pakistan would not be doing this today if the Kashmir issue was not present. I HATE THEM!!!!!!!!!

How dare you say that.
Its not because of them.it is because of the stupid Indian Government who has made Kashmir an issue of their ego and unnecessarily want control over it, when it was rightully given to Pakistan at the time of division.
Don't even give it to Pakistan dammit ,just free them.Their sufferings throughout 70 years have been anything more than us Indians and Pakistanis combined might have faced.

And if it wasn't Kashmir the Indians would have found other reasons to fight. The problem is the politics and not Kashmir.SO DONT BLAME THEM!!
 
isn't india 3-0 in wars against pakistan?

they had upper hand in '65, we lost in '71 and '99?

you only won 71 which was you againt pak rangers and police.

the rest are ceasefires but considered pak victories because in 65 pak achieved it objevctive of defending lahore against indian attack and after 99 when ceasefire came pak had gained some territory from india.

and dont forget 49 war, in which pak claimed whole of azad kashmir.
 
you only won 71 which was you againt pak rangers and police.

the rest are ceasefires but considered pak victories because in 65 pak achieved it objevctive of defending lahore against indian attack and after 99 when ceasefire came pak had gained some territory from india.

and dont forget 49 war, in which pak claimed whole of azad kashmir.

i'm pakistani :facepalm:
 
you only won 71 which was you againt pak rangers and police.

the rest are ceasefires but considered pak victories because in 65 pak achieved it objevctive of defending lahore against indian attack and after 99 when ceasefire came pak had gained some territory from india.

and dont forget 49 war, in which pak claimed whole of azad kashmir.

'65 India had upper hand

'99 India won
 
Someone correct me if I am wrong but I believe the Indian Navy is better equipped than us and much more modern.

I think India might have changed tactics into sea warfare because their Air Force is outdated and not able to win.

This isnt good for Pakistan if Indian Navy is making positions.

Yes you are right Indian navy is well equipped compartively, but to me this could be the war tactics to divert the concentration to the sea & then do something big at the ground otherwise its a wrong idea to start from sea as there is no place to hide if you are in deep sea.
 
He would be surprised to know the amount of army-airforce movies that comes from Kollywood too :P , I find it more than Bollywood tbh.

If you watch in old Kollywood movies from 80s, there is always a "mama" from the military. Because Tamil Nadu provided good % of soldiers. Then influence started coming in, son of former lieutenant getting undeserving promotions. South Indians and Bengalis being dispatched to high risk front lines and etc. So the Army lost its reputation and joining the military also became out of fashion.
 
Here is the issue, not all Indian population is buying that a Pak's F-16 has been brought down. One of our aircraft has been shot down, a pilot has been captured and 5 other members of IAF has died in a crash. Things aren't looking too great. With election coming up, BJP wont let this go without giving PAF a clear blow or else this whole event will backfire for BJP. This isn't over folks. Modi ji won't back down without a hit or two to get the upper hand. Ego fueled nation is not satisfied. More attack will come.
 
Here is the issue, not all Indian population is buying that a Pak's F-16 has been brought down. One of our aircraft has been shot down, a pilot has been captured and 5 other members of IAF has died in a crash. Things aren't looking too great. With election coming up, BJP wont let this go without giving PAF a clear blow or else this whole event will backfire for BJP. This isn't over folks. Modi ji won't back down without a hit or two to get the upper hand. Ego fueled nation is not satisfied. More attack will come.

It has ended on a very somber note for India, but pretty sure that this is it. Skirmishes and LoC shelling will continue, but there is no chance India will risk escalation from hereon. India was not expecting a retaliation from Pak after the Balakot strike and were put in a very awkward position due to the facts you stated in your post.

However, trust India media and the jingoism wave to give this blow a positive spin. So, eventually, BJP got what it wanted.
 
'65 India had upper hand

'99 India won

yes you also won the 2nd and 1st world wars, india was also instrumental in ending and winning the cold war

after all your superior army came into pak with 2 jets and killed 300 people without leaving any evidence in just 23 secs

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
 
yes you also won the 2nd and 1st world wars, india was also instrumental in ending and winning the cold war

after all your superior army came into pak with 2 jets and killed 300 people without leaving any evidence in just 23 secs

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

read the history mate.

pak certainly got the upper hand in this little mini war..
 
read the history mate.

pak certainly got the upper hand in this little mini war..

The history is that after ruling India for centuries, the Muslims of Pakistan got their own country, liberated half of Kashmir and have since matched India blow for blow despite have a much lower population and by extension, a weaker military, numbers-wise.
 
The history is that after ruling India for centuries, the Muslims of Pakistan got their own country, liberated half of Kashmir and have since matched India blow for blow despite have a much lower population and by extension, a weaker military, numbers-wise.

Why do you need your own country when you ruled over another for centuries?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If there’s no craters visible, then there were no accurate strikes. We cover Israeli airstrikes on Syria nearly every week and people like <a href="https://twitter.com/ImageSatIntl?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImageSatIntl</a> always provide commercial satellite images a few days later proving the strikes hit the location. It’s not hard to prove.</p>— ELINT News (@ELINTNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1101203380414877696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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It has ended on a very somber note for India, but pretty sure that this is it. Skirmishes and LoC shelling will continue, but there is no chance India will risk escalation from hereon. India was not expecting a retaliation from Pak after the Balakot strike and were put in a very awkward position due to the facts you stated in your post.

However, trust India media and the jingoism wave to give this blow a positive spin. So, eventually, BJP got what it wanted.

Jingoism is the reason people don't seem to care about the 5 IAF personals that died but seemed to concerned about the captured pilot. People want better equipments, but not ready to talk about lack of medical facilities costing 1000s of lives everyday in India.
 
ISLAMABAD: A civilian lecturer of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has petitioned before the Lahore High Court (LHC), Rawalpindi bench, to set aside his conviction over a leaked call with a pilot — one of his former students — in which he congratulated him for shooting down the Indian fighter plane flown by Abhinandan Varthaman.

Indian Air Force pilot Varthaman, who was captured by Pakistan in 2019 after his MiG-21 Bison aircraft was shot down by a PAF jet, was recently awarded the Vir Cha*kra — the third-highest wartime gallantry award after Param Vir Chakra and Maha Vir Chakra — by the Indian government.

The petitioner, Hafiz Farooq Ahmed Khan who was working at PAF College Lower Topa, Murree, faced court martial after his telephonic conversation with the PAF pilot went viral on social media.

As per details of the case, Khan was recruited as a civilian lecturer in PAF College in June 1999 through the Federal Public Service Commission (FPSC).

He was charged and subsequently convicted by the Court Martial under the provisions of the Official Secrets Act, 1923.

In his petition, Mr Khan stated that on the evening of Feb 27, 2019, he and his wife were watching television at his official residence in PAF College, Lower Topa.

While watching the news about two Indian aircraft being shot down by the PAF during a standoff between the two countries, Mr Khan called up his old student, who was an air force fighter pilot, to congratulate him, the petition added.

It stated that the call lasted two minutes and 27 seconds, during which Mr Khan exchanged congratulatory remarks with the pilot, who stated on his own, without being questioned by the petitioner, that whatever was being shown on media was not even 30pc and that there had been 350 casualties on ground.

The petition then explained how the call got leaked and went viral on social media.

Mr Khan admitted in the plea that he had forwarded the same call to 61 of his relatives and friends out of sheer excitement and pride and to highlight PAF spirit. “Ultimately, the said call went viral on social media and was noticed/detected by the Air Intelligence Agency of PAF,” he said.

The teacher was held on July 8, 2019 and was court-martialled on four charges under Section 71 of the PAF Act, 1953. He was accused of committing an offence for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or interest of the State, while having conversation…recorded information about PAF Air Operations, which might directly or indirectly be useful to an enemy, “unauthorised possession of document/information”, “failed to take reasonable care of the same resulting into leakage of the said information on social media” and unauthorised dissemination of air operations to over 60 contacts.

During the court martial proceedings, Khan pleaded “not guilty” following which the prosecution recorded the evidence of 11 witnesses and presented certain documents while in his defence the teacher produced his wife and four other witnesses.

Khan was sentenced to rigorous imprisonment of two years and eight months vide by the Field General Court Martial. The base commander remitted the sentence by eight months and reduced it to 24 months.

The petitioner then filed an appeal before the PAF Appellate Tribunal that further remitted the sentence by one year and two months.

He contended that since there was no alternative forum available for review, the LHC could invoke the constitutional jurisdiction of Article 199 to administer justice.

Published in Dawn, December 12th, 2021
 
ISLAMABAD: A civilian lecturer of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has petitioned before the Lahore High Court (LHC), Rawalpindi bench, to set aside his conviction over a leaked call with a pilot — one of his former students — in which he congratulated him for shooting down the Indian fighter plane flown by Abhinandan Varthaman.

Indian Air Force pilot Varthaman, who was captured by Pakistan in 2019 after his MiG-21 Bison aircraft was shot down by a PAF jet, was recently awarded the Vir Cha*kra — the third-highest wartime gallantry award after Param Vir Chakra and Maha Vir Chakra — by the Indian government.

The petitioner, Hafiz Farooq Ahmed Khan who was working at PAF College Lower Topa, Murree, faced court martial after his telephonic conversation with the PAF pilot went viral on social media.

As per details of the case, Khan was recruited as a civilian lecturer in PAF College in June 1999 through the Federal Public Service Commission (FPSC).

He was charged and subsequently convicted by the Court Martial under the provisions of the Official Secrets Act, 1923.

In his petition, Mr Khan stated that on the evening of Feb 27, 2019, he and his wife were watching television at his official residence in PAF College, Lower Topa.

While watching the news about two Indian aircraft being shot down by the PAF during a standoff between the two countries, Mr Khan called up his old student, who was an air force fighter pilot, to congratulate him, the petition added.

It stated that the call lasted two minutes and 27 seconds, during which Mr Khan exchanged congratulatory remarks with the pilot, who stated on his own, without being questioned by the petitioner, that whatever was being shown on media was not even 30pc and that there had been 350 casualties on ground.

The petition then explained how the call got leaked and went viral on social media.

Mr Khan admitted in the plea that he had forwarded the same call to 61 of his relatives and friends out of sheer excitement and pride and to highlight PAF spirit. “Ultimately, the said call went viral on social media and was noticed/detected by the Air Intelligence Agency of PAF,” he said.

The teacher was held on July 8, 2019 and was court-martialled on four charges under Section 71 of the PAF Act, 1953. He was accused of committing an offence for a purpose prejudicial to the safety or interest of the State, while having conversation…recorded information about PAF Air Operations, which might directly or indirectly be useful to an enemy, “unauthorised possession of document/information”, “failed to take reasonable care of the same resulting into leakage of the said information on social media” and unauthorised dissemination of air operations to over 60 contacts.

During the court martial proceedings, Khan pleaded “not guilty” following which the prosecution recorded the evidence of 11 witnesses and presented certain documents while in his defence the teacher produced his wife and four other witnesses.

Khan was sentenced to rigorous imprisonment of two years and eight months vide by the Field General Court Martial. The base commander remitted the sentence by eight months and reduced it to 24 months.

The petitioner then filed an appeal before the PAF Appellate Tribunal that further remitted the sentence by one year and two months.

He contended that since there was no alternative forum available for review, the LHC could invoke the constitutional jurisdiction of Article 199 to administer justice.

Published in Dawn, December 12th, 2021

What were official figures for casualty? I do recall there was a big issue, but don't remember numbers in hundreds.
 
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