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4fer from Shaheen Shah Afridi & 88 from Fakhar Zaman help Pakistan level series with a 6 wicket win

This Fakhar dude needs to go back to domestics and fix his hard-handed-offside technique, can't play on the leg side, also needs to better temperament
 
If pak want to make semis in the world cup they gona have to go with

Fakhar
Sharjeel
Baba

These 3 will feast on uk pitches with Imam expect a group stage exit.
 
The Viper said:
Imam might be slow but it is not like we are blessed with dynamic openers. Would take Imam over Farhan 100%.
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My point is Imam is trying hard to justify his uncle's decision of including him in ODIs by trying to play a type of game which is not natural to him.
 
AAli98 said:
If pak want to make semis in the world cup they gona have to go with

Fakhar
Sharjeel
Baba

These 3 will feast on uk pitches with Imam expect a group stage exit.
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Unfortunately Sharjeel ain't coming back :(
 
Don't like Imam at all as a batsman.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Infact the likes of Hafeez are crap as well.
 
Hamza_ said:
Don't like Imam at all as a batsman.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Infact the likes of Hafeez are crap as well.
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I do. I think his foundation is very good and he should be given a long rope to see if he can build on it. It is not as if we are loaded with options. All this talk of Sharjeel coming back is fiction.
 
Mamoon said:
150 runs to get with 9 wickets in hand. Perfect scenario for a bottler to show his class in a run chase.
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Tagging a 24 years guy to be a bottler is a bit early. Yes till now he hasn't played a match winning knock chasing but its still early days.
 
Babar's mindset looking better today, maybe it's cause the target is really small
 
I hope Babar opens in next game and we see both Fakhar and him opening for Pakistan regularly.
 
Titan24 said:
Tagging a 24 years guy to be a bottler is a bit early. Yes till now he hasn't played a match winning knock chasing but its still early days.
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The signs are not looking good, and usually, bottlers do not get better with experience. The capacity perform under pressure is a trait - you either have it or you don't. No amount of coaching or experience will help you on those fronts, and players who had/have the ability to absorb pressure usually show it at a very young age.
 
Mamoon said:
150 runs to get with 9 wickets in hand. Perfect scenario for a bottler to show his class in a run chase.
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You just contradicted yourself, calling him a bottler, and then expecting him to chase this down. They don't go hand in hand.
 
DRsohail said:
I hope Babar opens in next game and we see both Fakhar and him opening for Pakistan regularly.
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Rather than trying non openers. Babar/fakhar should open. I would give Imam/Harris 1 down position.
 
Acricfan said:
You just contradicted yourself, calling him a bottler, and then expecting him to chase this down. They don't go hand in hand.
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Where is the contradiction? You have to a very special kind of bottler to bottle a 50 runs head start in a 200 run chase.

However, 9/10 times, he will let the team down in a big chase. That is why he is a bottler.
 
Acricfan said:
You just contradicted yourself, calling him a bottler, and then expecting him to chase this down. They don't go hand in hand.
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He meant bottler in big chases and under pressure. This is supposed to be an easy one.
 
Mamoon said:
I do. I think his foundation is very good and he should be given a long rope to see if he can build on it. It is not as if we are loaded with options. All this talk of Sharjeel coming back is fiction.
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His foundation is very good for Test match opener, not LO. Playing him in ODI forcefully will only dilute his focus and he might end up losing both - kid has 15 years left in carer & his uncle won't be CS for good.

This is the same mistake done with Taufique Umar, who should have been breathing YK's Test numbers by now, if not crossing that already but for being forced to open in ODI, which cost him his Test spot at 23. He was destined to play 150+ Tests, for 10K+ runs at 40+ average and may be 25 Test hundreds, guy was a brilliant slip fielder as well.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

He might be solid as a test batsman but no way he is a limited overs player.

Look at his bat speed, reflexes and shot array.

You need these to be a successful limited overs player.

Surely there are better players than Imam who himself had a List A average of 32 as he made his international debut.

Edit: Please have a look over [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] 's post above as well.
 
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Haris Sohail will strengthen this lineup somewhat, but let's be honest - he is not going to be a big factor in turning our fortunes against quality teams.

At his best, more often than not, he will huff and puff his way to a 50 at a strike rate of 85. In order to compete with the top teams in the world, Babar, Fakhar and one more batsman will have to main 45+ averages at a 90+ strike rate against the top teams in the world.

I don't see that happening. We do not have the capacity to produce batsmen of that class.
 
Imam's injury (wishing quick recovery) actually exposes once again what UAE wicket has done to PAK batsmen. Long back, I saw an archive, where without helmet, Mazid smashed a similar ball through mid-on like a tennis double handed forehand ... off Mike Holding.
 
Babar is playing greatly, now NZ will becom C class team, as Babar isn't capable enough to handle pressure, I'd like to request our PM to replace Babar with Umar Amin, he is a superman batsman
 
Fakhar finally..... the offside Fakhar is amazing but legside is equally bad. I hope he works hard on it and keep knocking legside balls in nets... that's the only way to improve
 
Shezzy was a different batsman after that hit on the head in UAE years ago. Hope Imam is ok and will be alright. Great chase so far. Pak nailing this
 
Madplayer said:
Boy do i hope he proves us wrong with regards to pressure situations.
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Doubt so. It is one of those you either have it or you don't qualities.

When an 18 year old decides to save a first-class game for his team and ends up scoring a hundred hours after his father's death, you know that he is not going to go down without fighting.

Babar has a very similar vibe to Amla, and I have been waiting for Amla to prove me wrong for a decade now, and so has our friend Bilal7.
 
MMHS said:
Imam's injury (wishing quick recovery) actually exposes once again what UAE wicket has done to PAK batsmen. Long back, I saw an archive, where without helmet, Mazid smashed a similar ball through mid-on like a tennis double handed forehand ... off Mike Holding.
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Also shows how good can be Babar as an opener.
 
1st Test starts in 7 days time and surely Imam shouldn't be playing that one after this accident. Time for Shan to make a come back?
 
Mamoon said:
This is Pakistan's first ODI win against a good team in 10 attempts. This is the true capability of this team - a success factor of 25% - 30% over a large sample of games against teams like India, England, New Zealand, South Africa, Australia etc.

How else would people like to describe this win? And why does everyone expect me to wax lyrical about this team that does and will continue to lose more than half of its matches against the top half teams?

People did not like the word fluke, and they seem to have a problem with the Law of Averages phenomenon as well. If they expect me to celebrate and rejoice at lowering the losing percentage from 100% to 90%, it is not going to happen. I am not going to ignore the true capabilities of this mediocre team because they had a good day.
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Maybe the problem is your expectations. You keep telling us that Pakistan Cricket is finished, in which case a 25% success rate against teams which are not 'finished' along with an ODI tournament win (no matter how fluky) is absolutely fine. So what if this gives fans of a 'minnow' level team choti choti khusiyaan?
 
Plumb said:
Fakhar finally..... the offside Fakhar is amazing but legside is equally bad. I hope he works hard on it and keep knocking legside balls in nets... that's the only way to improve
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He found a way around it today. Good strategy to carress it than to bludgeon balls on the on side. As the commies said, the way his bat comes down at an angle means it is very difficult for him to hit good length and full balls at pace to mid wicket or long on. Better to carress it to square leg or fine leg and that's what he did. Good players always find a way. He will only improve from here.
 
Everyone who doubted my prediction of Pakistan chasing this down should be questioned now. I do not always bring bad news - I only bring news, which is mostly bad. However, it is not beyond me to bring glad tidings as well.
 
AJK said:
Maybe the problem is your expectations. You keep telling us that Pakistan Cricket is finished, in which case a 25% success rate against teams which are not 'finished' along with an ODI tournament win (no matter how fluky) is absolutely fine. So what if this gives fans of a 'minnow' level team choti choti khusiyaan?
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Just because I do not see it happening does not mean that I do not want it to get better.
 
MMHS said:
1st Test starts in 7 days time and surely Imam shouldn't be playing that one after this accident. Time for Shan to make a come back?
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Shan should be playing ODIS only and Imam Tests only.
 
MMHS said:
1st Test starts in 7 days time and surely Imam shouldn't be playing that one after this accident. Time for Shan to make a come back?
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I'd expect Hafeez and Fakhar to open with Azhar at 3. Allows Pakistan to go with 4 specialist bowlers and have an extra batsmen.
 
rhony said:
He found a way around it today. Good strategy to carress it than to bludgeon balls on the on side. As the commies said, the way his bat comes down at an angle means it is very difficult for him to hit good length and full balls at pace to mid wicket or long on. Better to carress it to square leg or fine leg and that's what he did. Good players always find a way. He will only improve from here.
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I can see this guy cares about his game and feels working hard is the way rather than giving interviews like other "talented players"
 
Mamoon said:
Everyone who doubted my prediction of Pakistan chasing this down should be questioned now. I do not always bring bad news - I only bring news, which is mostly bad. However, it is not beyond me to bring glad tidings as well.
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If they couldn't chase this or don't then we have bigger problems then any of us thought...
 
Now, I am not liking Fakhar - mentally he is an aggressive batsman who likes to dominate spinners; making an uncharacteristic hundred might be good for stats (and prove a point), but it won't change his situation much. He should be aggressive and attack Sodhi - if he gets out, so it be but one of the biggest mistake in cricket is to believe that stats would be better if an aggressive batsman curbs his basic instincts.

Once someone (Roubuck may be), asked Viv if he had gone for a SR of 60 (instead of 75) could his average gone higher? Viv said that, it would have reduced my average because I would have blocked about 2500 balls unnecessarily.

FZ is good as an aggressor, not steady operator - PAK has at least half a dozen to out perform him in that role.
 
With all due respect to Imam, good player and good guy but i think Babar needs to open regularly in ODIs with Fakhar.
 
Rana said:
With all due respect to Imam, good player and good guy but i think Babar needs to open regularly in ODIs with Fakhar.
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For World Cup

Fakhar
Babar
Haris
Sarfraz
Hafeez
Malik
Imad/Hussain Talat
Faheem
Shadab
Amir
Shaheen
 
MMHS said:
Now, I am not liking Fakhar - mentally he is an aggressive batsman who likes to dominate spinners; making an uncharacteristic hundred might be good for stats (and prove a point), but it won't change his situation much. He should be aggressive and attack Sodhi - if he gets out, so it be but one of the biggest mistake in cricket is to believe that stats would be better if an aggressive batsman curbs his basic instincts.

Once someone (Roubuck may be), asked Viv if he had gone for a SR of 60 (instead of 75) could his average gone higher? Viv said that, it would have reduced my average because I would have blocked about 2500 balls unnecessarily.

FZ is good as an aggressor, not steady operator - PAK has at least half a dozen to out perform him in that role.
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He is doing it now
 
If Boult was a pakistani pacer today He would have been labelled as "exposed":ssmith:ssmith
 
Inzamam would have scored 30+ ODI hundred, had he focused on his fitness and batted at three or even opened.

For a player of his capabilities, 10 ODI hundreds is nothing. Even Hafeez has surpassed his tally and Babar will surpass it in a couple of years.
 
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