921 runs in 136 overs v 847 runs in 251 overs - The difference between England & Pakistan approaches

[Buffet]

921 runs in 136 overs v 847 runs in 251 overs - The difference between England & Pakistan approaches

921 runs in 136 overs - 6.77 runs/over

847 runs in 251 overs - 3.37 runs/over

Such a contrast.


Scared & give flat pitch. Eng provides an opening by risky declaration, still scared and bat negatively.

I wouldn't expect Pakistan to score at 6-7 runs per over , but I think Pakistan batted negatively on such a flat pitch with Eng having only 2-3 bowlers. Normally, 3 runs per over is not slow, but given Eng's bowling attack, pitch and match situation, it was disappointing.


Babar and Co. should stop worrying about loss. Have some result oriented pitches. Just play to win and if opposition outplays you then so be it. Aus series was a torture to watch due to negative approach of trying to avoid loss. This series started with the same mindset.

 

[dravidthewall]

Gulf of difference between two teams.

 

[jnaveen1980]

You need naturally aggressive players to do that. If they can't pull it off they will be even more criticized. This particular match they could have drawn by playing for time. Teams have saved tests by batting long. This one was savable.

 

[Buffet]

You need naturally aggressive players to do that. If they can't pull it off they will be even more criticized. This particular match they could have drawn by playing for time. Teams have saved tests by batting long. This one was savable.

It was surely savable, but why try to save a test with 300 - 330 runs target on flat pitch with Eng's bowlers on other end?

 

[Devadwal]

Atleast 70 over lost in this test match due to bad lights. any other team would have gone to win on such a patta pitch . terrible planing by Pakistan after imam wicket.

 

[jnaveen1980]

A certain Younis Khan would have buried England to ground on this pitch.

 

[W63L35]

This Rawalpindi test had the highest aggregate of a test resulting in a decision. Overall it is a 3rd highest aggreate.

1. South Africa v England at Durban, 1938/39 - 1981 Runs - Drawn
2. West Indies v England at Kingston, 1929/30 - 1815 Runs - Drawn
3. Pakistan v England at Rawalpindi, 2022/23 - 1768 Runs - Eng Won.

 

[Buffet]

This Rawalpindi test had the highest aggregate of a test resulting in a decision. Overall it is a 3rd highest aggreate.

1. South Africa v England at Durban, 1938/39 - 1981 Runs - Drawn
2. West Indies v England at Kingston, 1929/30 - 1815 Runs - Drawn
3. Pakistan v England at Rawalpindi, 2022/23 - 1768 Runs - Eng Won.

Wow, that's after 70 overs were lost.

 

[W63L35]

3rd highest innings in a lost test match;

Bangladesh - 595/8d v New Zealand - Wellington - 12 Jan 2017
Australia - 586 v England - Sydney - 14 Dec 1894
Pakistan - 579 v England - Rawalpindi - 1 Dec 2022

 

[jnaveen1980]

It was surely savable, but why try to save a test with 300 - 330 runs target on flat pitch with Eng's bowlers on other end?

It comes down to form/type of players. Pakistan even in t20s/ODI are a bit conservative. They rely on bowlers bailing them out. Once that was taken away they had nowhere to run.

 

[W63L35]

Wow, that's after 70 overs were lost.

Exactly - pretty embarrasing!

 

[Mamoon]

The number one reason for Pakistan losing this Test match was Naseem & Rauf.

The fans won’t stop talking about how talented they are, how amazing they are etc., & they got absolutely destroyed.

They conceded 284 runs in 46.5 overs at an economy rate of 6.11. That is utterly embarrassing for two hyped up fast bowlers playing at home.

This is where Pakistan lost the match. Their two so-called premier fast bowlers conceded runs at a rate that would be deemed high in ODI cricket let alone Test cricket, & that too over 46.5 overs.

It wasn’t just one expensive spell.

Pakistan batted well. Their run rate in the first innings was 3.72. That is an excellent run rate in a Test match in any conditions against any opposition.

Pakistan ended up losing by 74 runs. Bazball or whatever, Naseem & Rauf should not have gone for more than 4 runs per over over their 46.5 overs.

Had they gone for 4 an over, this 74 run difference would be covered.

People can say that Pakistan should also have batted at this rate, but first of all, someone like Anderson would not have allowed them to score at 6 an over & secondly, Pakistani batsmen simply don’t have the ability & the stroke play to play like this.

It is one thing to have the intent but it is a totally different ball game to have the talent & the skill to execute it.

Pakistan’s quickest players are Babar & Rizwan & even they cannot even dream of scoring 240 runs in a Test in 181 balls like Harry Brook did in this game.

The bowlers, especially the hyped up duo of Naseem & Rauf should have found a way to restrict the run flow somewhat & not go at 6 an over consistently.

 

[W63L35]

Only test in the history to produce a result where first two innings scores were more than 550. Other 13 tests were draws.

 

[Buffet]

Only test in the history to produce a result where first two innings scores were more than 550. Other 13 tests were draws.

I think it comes down to Pakistan allowing 6-7 runs per over, otherwise it's simply not possible to get result when both teams score 550 plus and 70 overs are lost.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Will the next match be played on a green top?

 

[jnaveen1980]

I think it comes down to Pakistan allowing 6-7 runs per over, otherwise it's simply not possible to get result when both teams score 550 plus and 70 overs are lost.

Brooks played a decisive role. Others also played. Brooks on another level. Even in T20 match did well against Pakistan. Loves to feast on them. Ofcourse Crawley as well.

 

[Buffet]

I am curious about fastest 700-800 runs made on a test by any team. I will be surprised if any other team scored faster than Eng here.

 

[Buffet]

Brooks played a decisive role. Others also played. Brooks on another level. Even in T20 match did well against Pakistan. Loves to feast on them. Ofcourse Crawley as well.

Yah, many things has to work perfectly for getting result in such situations. Eng surely played very well and also took risk with declaration to force a result.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

921 runs in 136 overs - 6.77 runs/over

847 runs in 251 overs - 3.37 runs/over

Such a contrast.


Scared & give flat pitch. Eng provides an opening by risky declaration, still scared and bat negatively.

I wouldn't expect Pakistan to score at 6-7 runs per over , but I think Pakistan batted negatively on such a flat pitch with Eng having only 2-3 bowlers. Normally, 3 runs per over is not slow, but given Eng's bowling attack, pitch and match situation, it was disappointing.


Babar and Co. should stop worrying about loss. Have some result oriented pitches. Just play to win and if opposition outplays you then so be it. Aus series was a torture to watch due to negative approach of trying to avoid loss. This series started with the same mindset.

'Jo chaha rahe the, aise pitch hume mili nehi': Babar Azam blames poor Rawalpindi track after loss vs England.

Babar Azam stated in the post-match press conference, that they did not get the track they were hoping for. While he had discussion to get a turning track at Rawalpindi, all he got was a completely flat pitch.

“Dekhe, kafi input tha . Humne jo plan kiya tha, jo chaha rahe the, aise pitch hume mili nehi. Aur jo humare plans they waise execute ho nehi paye unfortunately. Hum thoda turning side pe jaa rahe the. Waise plan tha humara. But unfortunately weather ke wajah se aur thoda preparation ke wajah se waise wicket ban nehi paye (I gave a lot of inputs. But we did not get the pitch we wanted. We wanted a turning track and our plans were based on that. But because of the weather conditions and lack of preparation, we didn't get the pitch as per our plan),” he said.


https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/cricket/jo-chaha-rahe-the-aise-pitch-hume-mili-nehi-babar-azam-blames-poor-rawalpindi-track-after-loss-vs-england-article-96007479

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yah, many things has to work perfectly for getting result in such situations. Eng surely played very well and also took risk with declaration to force a result.

Those gigantic overs are insane even by Bazball standard. Brooks did not take singles after boundaries. He kept going after the bowling.

 

[W63L35]

I am curious about fastest 700-800 runs made on a test by any team. I will be surprised if any other team scored faster than Eng here.

No surprises..... we get the 1st prize, as expected.

RPO of 4.5 and above for scores of 500+ innings totals...

 

[ethan hunt]

Pakistan needs a reset.
I want to see seaming pitches for the first class competition and test cricket. Go for results. Build a team around fast bowlers. Fans will be fine with the losses.

 

[Buffet]

'Jo chaha rahe the, aise pitch hume mili nehi': Babar Azam blames poor Rawalpindi track after loss vs England.

Babar Azam stated in the post-match press conference, that they did not get the track they were hoping for. While he had discussion to get a turning track at Rawalpindi, all he got was a completely flat pitch.

“Dekhe, kafi input tha . Humne jo plan kiya tha, jo chaha rahe the, aise pitch hume mili nehi. Aur jo humare plans they waise execute ho nehi paye unfortunately. Hum thoda turning side pe jaa rahe the. Waise plan tha humara. But unfortunately weather ke wajah se aur thoda preparation ke wajah se waise wicket ban nehi paye (I gave a lot of inputs. But we did not get the pitch we wanted. We wanted a turning track and our plans were based on that. But because of the weather conditions and lack of preparation, we didn't get the pitch as per our plan),� he said.


https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/cricket/jo-chaha-rahe-the-aise-pitch-hume-mili-nehi-babar-azam-blames-poor-rawalpindi-track-after-loss-vs-england-article-96007479

So Babar ordered turning tracks and went with this attack? I would think attack should look different for turning tracks.

 

[Buffet]

No surprises..... we get the 1st prize, as expected.

RPO of 4.5 and above for scores of 500+ innings totals...

Thanks. I was expecting it to not go too much higher than 5 as well. All credit to Eng to bat this way otherwise result was never possible with both teams scoring so high and so many overs lost.

 

[Markhor]

Will the next match be played on a green top?

No because how will our captain notch another cheap ton ?

 

[Buffet]

Hopefully , the next pitch has something for bowlers. Eng is simply going to out bat Pakistan on flat pitches.

 

[W63L35]

I am curious about fastest 700-800 runs made on a test by any team. I will be surprised if any other team scored faster than Eng here.

Match totals of 700 runs and above by single team;

 

[Buffet]

Match totals of 700 runs and above by single team;

6.73 ... huge gap and then 5 runs per over in entire history. It was just freak batting by Eng. All credit to them.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If pakistan pursues the same kind of pitches and strategies England could outdo themselves.

 

[Rana]

England cricket is a brand

This is called ‘Shaheen ki parwaaz’ cricket

Greatest win in Test cricket history

 

[Kianig89]

Yes Pakistan fast bowlers are to blame, because when you lose after scoring 800 runs then definitely its the bowling which is the culprit and add to it conceding 6+ for more than 100 overs is the reason.

Also the captaincy is crucial factor Babar Azam is completely dumb as skipper

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Shambolic bowling display.. weakest bowling attack fielded against bazball.

Huge difference in captaincy, one going for the win at any cost , the other meek little kitten wanna hide and avoid losing lol.

 

[Zaz]

Its the negative mindset eating away at this team

Everytime we prepare flat dull tracks to counter the opposition attack the opposite happens

The poor pitches, negative field placements, the tuk tuk batsman we choose or the poor scoring rate, we bat like kittens caught in headlights

Todays match shouldve been won or drawn at the very least but we end up collapsing shamefuly once again

Wheres the fight, the bottle?

 

[Bouncer]

100 percent right on this one.

The number one reason for Pakistan losing this Test match was Naseem & Rauf.

The fans won’t stop talking about how talented they are, how amazing they are etc., & they got absolutely destroyed.

They conceded 284 runs in 46.5 overs at an economy rate of 6.11. That is utterly embarrassing for two hyped up fast bowlers playing at home.

This is where Pakistan lost the match. Their two so-called premier fast bowlers conceded runs at a rate that would be deemed high in ODI cricket let alone Test cricket, & that too over 46.5 overs.

It wasn’t just one expensive spell.

Pakistan batted well. Their run rate in the first innings was 3.72. That is an excellent run rate in a Test match in any conditions against any opposition.

Pakistan ended up losing by 74 runs. Bazball or whatever, Naseem & Rauf should not have gone for more than 4 runs per over over their 46.5 overs.

Had they gone for 4 an over, this 74 run difference would be covered.

People can say that Pakistan should also have batted at this rate, but first of all, someone like Anderson would not have allowed them to score at 6 an over & secondly, Pakistani batsmen simply don’t have the ability & the stroke play to play like this.

It is one thing to have the intent but it is a totally different ball game to have the talent & the skill to execute it.

Pakistan’s quickest players are Babar & Rizwan & even they cannot even dream of scoring 240 runs in a Test in 181 balls like Harry Brook did in this game.

The bowlers, especially the hyped up duo of Naseem & Rauf should have found a way to restrict the run flow somewhat & not go at 6 an over consistently.

 

[Saj]

4 debutants, 3 of which were bowlers.

Questionable selections amongst the batters.

The selectors have to take their share of the blame here too.

 

[Savak]

Yes Pakistan fast bowlers are to blame, because when you lose after scoring 800 runs then definitely its the bowling which is the culprit and add to it conceding 6+ for more than 100 overs is the reason.

Also the captaincy is crucial factor Babar Azam is completely dumb as skipper

Defensive bowling is an art and it requires a captain who knows how to set a field and knows how to guide a bowler to stick to a plan. Dhoni was very good at run chocking and he made use of minimal resources via his captaincy brain.

Naseem and Rauf by nature are attacking bowlers and will strive for wickets, they cannot bowl defensively if the captain doesn't give them a defensive field and doesn't discuss with them on where to bowl

 

[Buffet]

4 debutants, 3 of which were bowlers.

Questionable selections amongst the batters.

The selectors have to take their share of the blame here too.

Poor planning to have 3 bowlers playing for the first time. Why not try out some bowlers against Zim/WI etc and then continue with promising ones? Same for batsmen.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Batting and bowling can be blamed. Bowlers were ridiculously poor. Batting is mentally fragile as anything and lacks skill. Overall we are a joke of a team. I expect us to lose 80 to 90% of test matches under Babar. We need new management and to drop Rizwan, Naseem, Zahid, Ali. Sarfraz still offers a lot in Tests.

 

[Savak]

Zero expectations from the team as long as Babar is captain and Saqlain is coach. The brand of cricket our team is playing under these two has depressed me to know end. I thought we had moved on from the Misbah era but atleast the guy knew how to make the most of the test side in sub-continent conditions.