A bulk of spinners getting their chance to shine is a masterstroke by Aaqib Javed

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I think we need to discuss how players like Sufiyan Muqeem, Faisal Akram, and Abrar Ahmed are finally getting their chance to show that Pakistan has great spinners in their ranks. Credit goes to Aaqib, who has moved on from players like Imad Wasim, Shadab Khan, and Mohammad Nawaz, giving proper spinners a chance. They are now proving to be great assets for Pakistan.
 
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Honestly not much impressed with these spinners as of now. Still think arafat has better chance of succeeding as a package.
Abrar wont be much trouble for quality sides.
 
Honestly not much impressed with these spinners as of now. Still think arafat has better chance of succeeding as a package.
Abrar wont be much trouble for quality sides.
Bro atleast appreciate these selector who are giving chances to proper spinners arafat will get his chance as well better than bits and pieces spinners pak had before so great thinking by selectors here.
 
We were doing the same formula in 2011-14 too with Ajmal, Afridi and Hafeez + Raza Hasan, Abdur Rehman and Zulfi chipping in at times.
 
Bro atleast appreciate these selector who are giving chances to proper spinners arafat will get his chance as well better than bits and pieces spinners pak had before so great thinking by selectors here.
Exactly appreciate the good things being done atleast some new talent is getting chance to showcase their skills whether they are good average or bad it’s besides the point we are moving past the stage when the whole selection revolved around those 15-16 players
 
Exactly appreciate the good things being done atleast some new talent is getting chance to showcase their skills whether they are good average or bad it’s besides the point we are moving past the stage when the whole selection revolved around those 15-16 players
Ya so true bro atleast aqib has guts to try new spinners and spinners are proving him right now pak talent is getting bigger with bulk of players being tried out which never used to happen in pakistan.
 
Let these spinners play better teams. The current one are all no 11s with the bat and awful fielders.
Well to their advantage better teams are as rubbish against spin so these guys will play for long because they have one thing which they are so good at is to spin the ball which imad shadab nawaz never had.
 
Well to their advantage better teams are as rubbish against spin so these guys will play for long because they have one thing which they are so good at is to spin the ball which imad shadab nawaz never had.
Yes we saw how good Abrar was against England. As I said let's wait till they play better teams.
 
Yes we saw how good Abrar was against England. As I said let's wait till they play better teams.
Abrar player in a road pitch how hard is it to understand cricket conditions same abrar will exposed bazball in spinning pitch just like how noman and sajid did cricket is not football conditions matters the most thing in cricket.
 
Abrar player in a road pitch how hard is it to understand cricket conditions same abrar will exposed bazball in spinning pitch just like how noman and sajid did cricket is not football conditions matters the most thing in cricket.
Abrar after his debut game averages over 40 with the ball. He looked rubbish against Bangladesh too. For him to succeed he needs to spin the ball which he hardly does. This mystery rubbish won't work in tests and hence he has struggled as the teams have figured him out. Won't take long for him to be exposed in limited overs either.
 
Abrar after his debut game averages over 40 with the ball. He looked rubbish against Bangladesh too. For him to succeed he needs to spin the ball which he hardly does. This mystery rubbish won't work in tests and hence he has struggled as the teams have figured him out. Won't take long for him to be exposed in limited overs either.
Well not agreed on your points abrar might not looked the best pak still got plenty of spin options noman sajid in limited over you got sufiyan arafat faisal so hold on aqib is changing and bringing pak to its glory again remember how back then pak used to dominate with ajmal rehman afridi and hafeez so old days are coming again.
 
Well not agreed on your points abrar might not looked the best pak still got plenty of spin options noman sajid in limited over you got sufiyan arafat faisal so hold on aqib is changing and bringing pak to its glory again remember how back then pak used to dominate with ajmal rehman afridi and hafeez so old days are coming again.
You don't have to agree, Abrar being useless was in front of our eyes. He's bringing glory by appointing Salman as a t20s captain when he shouldn't be in the team? I want this glory to end. Anyone who appoints rizwan and Salman as t20 captain shouldn't be near our cricket. Let's not forget he picked the worst t20 squad in our history.
 
You don't have to agree, Abrar being useless was in front of our eyes. He's bringing glory by appointing Salman as a t20s captain when he shouldn't be in the team? I want this glory to end. Anyone who appoints rizwan and Salman as t20 captain shouldn't be near our cricket. Let's not forget he picked the worst t20 squad in our history.
So you want to make hack looser like mohammed harris captain who cant even last six balls who else is there sharjeel the fat fixer azam khan lol aqib has selected your team no selectors had the guts to try new players.
 
So you want to make hack looser like mohammed harris captain who cant even last six balls who else is there sharjeel the fat fixer azam khan lol aqib has selected your team no selectors had the guts to try new players.
When did I say I want those guys as a captain? Stop making things up when you don't tackle the post.
 
Yeah it's good to see these lads getting a chance.

I still think we need a good spin all rounder so hope Shadab comes into form
 
When did I say I want those guys as a captain? Stop making things up when you don't tackle the post.
I am asking you who do you want to bring does pak has got better options than currently being tried out give us any names.
 
Ya
Aqib is not scared of experimenting, being flexible and trying new things. A welcome shift from the depressing paindu Babar phase.
so true bro aqib is not scared of trying new things unlike paindu babar who wanted to keep his buddies in all matches he would never tried these spinners.
 
No wonder the PCB lost confidence in Gary Kirsten along with his refusal to spend time in Pakistan, he kept advocating for the tried and tested failures, out of form seniors like Shadab, Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen even for the Zimbabwe tour.

Good Riddance to get rid of him.
 
No wonder the PCB lost confidence in Gary Kirsten along with his refusal to spend time in Pakistan, he kept advocating for the tried and tested failures, out of form seniors like Shadab, Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen even for the Zimbabwe tour.

Good Riddance to get rid of him.

The problem with SENA coaches is they think our TTFs are fixable. They just need "confidence" :ROFLMAO:
 
But not sure what he will do when they play in South Africa on bouncy pacey wickets.

How will he handle that?
 
Its nice to see spinners are being tried a rightly so

I hope others can get a chance too like arafat minhas, qasim akram, mubashir khan and ect...
 
Master stroke or not, seeing Pakistan play only part time spinners in games was just ridiculous. I always heard there are no spinners in Pakistan and that's why part timer spinners are playing in ODI fromat all the time. Even in tests, many times part timers were playing and Pakistan played without single spinner.

I refused to believe that Paksitan won't have any spinner to play at the top level. Trying out many spinners will provide some good option. It' a huge country with cricket as main sports. There will be plenty of spinners.
 
Why do you think that you still need spinners there and pak should and will play 2 spinners there.
Spinners won't get much success there and as you already know our fast bowlers are quite pathetic in red-ball cricket. They are surely going to be thrashed in South Africa.
 
Master stroke or not, seeing Pakistan play only part time spinners in games was just ridiculous. I always heard there are no spinners in Pakistan and that's why part timer spinners are playing in ODI fromat all the time. Even in tests, many times part timers were playing and Pakistan played without single spinner.

I refused to believe that Paksitan won't have any spinner to play at the top level. Trying out many spinners will provide some good option. It' a huge country with cricket as main sports. There will be plenty of spinners.
Well pak always had this formula in misbah days in uae going with spinners thats where sena teams struggle misbah used to employ that to full effects aqib is making sure to do that way again.
 
Well pak always had this formula in misbah days in uae going with spinners thats where sena teams struggle misbah used to employ that to full effects aqib is making sure to do that way again.

Unfortunately after Misbah’s departure, we had completely forgotten how to play cricket and actually win matches.

Mickey Arthur, Sarfraz and then Babar totally ruined our strategies and made us lose at home grounds non stop.

It is good to see spinners being tried.

We don’t have good fast bowling stocks right now so overseas have to rely on Shaheen, Naseem, but hopefully new pacers will also be uncovered as Naseem, Rauf and to some extent even Shaheen are not that good.
 
Unfortunately after Misbah’s departure, we had completely forgotten how to play cricket and actually win matches.

Mickey Arthur, Sarfraz and then Babar totally ruined our strategies and made us lose at home grounds non stop.

It is good to see spinners being tried.

We don’t have good fast bowling stocks right now so overseas have to rely on Shaheen, Naseem, but hopefully new pacers will also be uncovered as Naseem, Rauf and to some extent even Shaheen are not that good.
Ya they were all stubborn never used to respect conditions always wanted to play same bowling babar never tried out new spinners in his whole tenure micky we all know used to hate spinners on spinning pitch he would play 4 fast bowlers thats where i liked the brain of misbah he used to read sena team weakness so well.
 
Honestly not much impressed with these spinners as of now. Still think arafat has better chance of succeeding as a package.
Abrar wont be much trouble for quality sides.
We need to get out of “package mode” which is what us let us down in recent past.
We need a specialist spinner irrespective of batting. Adil Rashid, Zampa, Kuldeep Yadav, Shamsi, Rashid Khan, Santner, their “package” is their wicket taking skill, which is what we have been lacking.
 
Yeah it's good to see these lads getting a chance.

I still think we need a good spin all rounder so hope Shadab comes into form
Shadab in terms of potential is a much more dynamic player than all of these. But his inability to prioritize and fix his cricket has affected Pak Cricket a lot. When Shadab does well, Pak wins more often than not. With the bat, he has more range and gears than the likes of Azam, Iftikhar, Nawaz, Irfan, Agha etc. I think he has stopped paying attention to his legspin altogether now. His recklessness is still affecting Pak Cricket.
 
Shadab in terms of potential is a much more dynamic player than all of these. But his inability to prioritize and fix his cricket has affected Pak Cricket a lot. When Shadab does well, Pak wins more often than not. With the bat, he has more range and gears than the likes of Azam, Iftikhar, Nawaz, Irfan, Agha etc. I think he has stopped paying attention to his legspin altogether now. His recklessness is still affecting Pak Cricket.
Pakistan must move on from confusing “dynamic player” with specialist spinners.
Shadab was never a specialist spinner and likely may never be. We need a specialist spinner who can take wickets in the middle. We need our Kuldeep Yadav, Adil Rashid, Rashid khan or Zampa.
This doesn’t meant Shadab cannot play as well but he’s competing for all rounder slot not specialist spinner.
 
Spinners won't get much success there and as you already know our fast bowlers are quite pathetic in red-ball cricket. They are surely going to be thrashed in South Africa.

Don't underestimate our pace attack. They helped us win an ODI series against Australia against expectations. They should be effective in conditions conducive to fast bowling. Our batters need to put some decent runs on the board.
 
Shadab in terms of potential is a much more dynamic player than all of these. But his inability to prioritize and fix his cricket has affected Pak Cricket a lot. When Shadab does well, Pak wins more often than not. With the bat, he has more range and gears than the likes of Azam, Iftikhar, Nawaz, Irfan, Agha etc. I think he has stopped paying attention to his legspin altogether now. His recklessness is still affecting Pak Cricket.

Shadab does not have more range and gears than anyone above a no.8 batter :ROFLMAO:

He started out as a promising bowling AR and he decided to become bits and pieces and remoddled himself as a batting AR.

He is not Hafeez or Malik. They were decent middle order batters. Nawaz tried to be this too.

The only route is a specialist spinner.
 
Pakistan must move on from confusing “dynamic player” with specialist spinners.
Shadab was never a specialist spinner and likely may never be. We need a specialist spinner who can take wickets in the middle. We need our Kuldeep Yadav, Adil Rashid, Rashid khan or Zampa.
This doesn’t meant Shadab cannot play as well but he’s competing for all rounder slot not specialist spinner.
Shadab was noticed because of his primary discipline ie spin bowling. He maintained an economy rate of under 7 while getting more than 1 wicket per match earlier on. It was around 2020 that he really lost the plot with his bowling. He was exceptional in both wt20 2021 and 2022 going for just 6 an over. It's a shame that he's declined so much with his bowling.
 
Shadab was noticed because of his primary discipline ie spin bowling. He maintained an economy rate of under 7 while getting more than 1 wicket per match earlier on. It was around 2020 that he really lost the plot with his bowling. He was exceptional in both wt20 2021 and 2022 going for just 6 an over. It's a shame that he's declined so much with his bowling.
since Ajmal, Pakistanis have only seen allrounders and have forgotten the value of specialist spinners.

The focus should be on strike rate—we need a wicket-taker. Shadab, while economical, has never been as consistent as Zampa, Rashid Khan, or Kuldeep Yadav. Wickets of key opposition batters are much more valuable than extra 10-20 runs. His ODI performances have been average, and instead of prioritizing his all-round skills, we need a specialist spinner for wickets in the middle overs.
 
Shadab does not have more range and gears than anyone above a no.8 batter :ROFLMAO:

He started out as a promising bowling AR and he decided to become bits and pieces and remoddled himself as a batting AR.

He is not Hafeez or Malik. They were decent middle order batters. Nawaz tried to be this too.

The only route is a specialist spinner.
Pakistan has not fielded specialist spinners in white ball cricket since Ajmal. India in the meantime always has 1 and at times even 2 specialist spinners in the line up like Chahal and Yadav, who offer nothing with the bat. Do you think Pakistanis, specially “newer fans”, don’t know the difference between allrounders and specialist spinners because that’s what they’ve seen since a decade Imad, Nawaz, Shadab, Hafeez, Malik
 
I think we need to discuss how players like Sufiyan Muqeem, Faisal Akram, and Abrar Ahmed are finally getting their chance to show that Pakistan has great spinners in their ranks. Credit goes to Aaqib, who has moved on from players like Imad Wasim, Shadab Khan, and Mohammad Nawaz, giving proper spinners a chance. They are now proving to be great assets for Pakistan.
I think spin allrounders are fine.

Pakistan has had good ones like hafeez, Imad(2017) and Malik in the past.

The problem with mickey was that he was relying on then too much. You can't build an entire team of spin allrounders and only 3 pacers.

Aqib Javed genuinely is turning Pakistan's fortunes around. And is making correct decisons.

The only issue that I have with Aqib is who he appointed because he's comfortable in sticking with Shan in tests, Rizwan in odi and t20 and Agha as vc.

This is easily his worst decison however tbh their isnt really anyone else to captain atm. That's how badly ramiz and Misbah destroyed Pakistan. This was their plan, They wanted to ensure Pakistan was dependant on Rizwan and Babar only.

Thankfully Aqib Javed is willing to kick Babar out from tests and t20 and isn't letting rizwan or Agha choose their 15.
 
Shadab does not have more range and gears than anyone above a no.8 batter :ROFLMAO:

He started out as a promising bowling AR and he decided to become bits and pieces and remoddled himself as a batting AR.

He is not Hafeez or Malik. They were decent middle order batters. Nawaz tried to be this too.

The only route is a specialist spinner.

Shadab is an useless like Nawaz and Imad Wasim.

These guys ruined our team in supervision of Mickey Arthur, Sarfraz and Babar Azam.

A minnow strategy to rely on so many so called allrounders when their quality was crap. They were no Hafeez.

All 3 of them are terrible with the bat and bang average with the ball (only Shadab and Imad were decent in the start of their careers as bowlers but quickly found out).

Once they couldn’t bowl, these guys tricked the PCB by scoring useless runs against below average bowling and Mickey couldn’t hold his excitement.

Ended up running the team into the ground.
 
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We need to get out of “package mode” which is what us let us down in recent past.
We need a specialist spinner irrespective of batting. Adil Rashid, Zampa, Kuldeep Yadav, Shamsi, Rashid Khan, Santner, their “package” is their wicket taking skill, which is what we have been lacking.
Abrar faisal and sufiyan arent better than arafat as spinner
 
Abrar faisal and sufiyan arent better than arafat as spinner
I haven’t seen much of him. Isn’t Arafat a left arm spinners. Typically wrist spinners are seen as wicket taking options.
 
Abrar doesnt spin much and i dont think he is mystery anymore.
Sufyan hasnt bowled some great breathtaking deliveries as of now
I do hope atleast two of arafat faisal sufyan abrar or some others develop into world class spinner
 
Selecting Sahibzada in a T20I lineup in the presence of Babar and Rizwan was also a masterstroke.
 
Selecting Sahibzada in a T20I lineup in the presence of Babar and Rizwan was also a masterstroke.
You hate aqib because he removed bobby. However at the end of the day, the guy is getting results.

His biggest crime so far is that his squad selection resulted In a whitewash against aus in t20.

I dislike aqib for making rizwan and Agha captain However at the end of the day, Their honestly wasnt anyone else. The only other candidate is saud who's brand new.

I hate rizzu's guts but Misbah and ramiz deliberately ensured that Babar and rizwan are mainstays and only these 2 can be selected hence aqib has alot on his plate.

But beating eng and Aus in test and odi are huge achievements.

I dislike rizwan and Infact I want rizzu gone, but at the end of the day, Aqib's squad is getting result followed by rizzu and Agha getting exposed as batters so win win
 
You hate aqib because he removed bobby. However at the end of the day, the guy is getting results.

His biggest crime so far is that his squad selection resulted In a whitewash against aus in t20.

I dislike aqib for making rizwan and Agha captain However at the end of the day, Their honestly wasnt anyone else. The only other candidate is saud who's brand new.

I hate rizzu's guts but Misbah and ramiz deliberately ensured that Babar and rizwan are mainstays and only these 2 can be selected hence aqib has alot on his plate.

But beating eng and Aus in test and odi are huge achievements.

I dislike rizwan and Infact I want rizzu gone, but at the end of the day, Aqib's squad is getting result followed by rizzu and Agha getting exposed as batters so win win
I have a problem with Aqib because he is one of these characters who takes credit for success but not responsibility for failure. His tenure will end in tears and Rizwan will definitely outlast him as captain.
 
🤣🤣 the irony of this statement

Funny how this logic isn't applied to all sports. Only when suits the agenda being peddled out

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You hate aqib because he removed bobby. However at the end of the day, the guy is getting results.

His biggest crime so far is that his squad selection resulted In a whitewash against aus in t20.

I dislike aqib for making rizwan and Agha captain However at the end of the day, Their honestly wasnt anyone else. The only other candidate is saud who's brand new.

I hate rizzu's guts but Misbah and ramiz deliberately ensured that Babar and rizwan are mainstays and only these 2 can be selected hence aqib has alot on his plate.

But beating eng and Aus in test and odi are huge achievements.

I dislike rizwan and Infact I want rizzu gone, but at the end of the day, Aqib's squad is getting result followed by rizzu and Agha getting exposed as batters so win win
Removed Babar but brought in Rizwan lol.
 
Removed Babar but brought in Rizwan lol.
He didn't bring in Rizwan. He had no choice. Misbah and ramiz made it so that their were virtually no options left for whiteball.

Even then he rested rizwan to test the waters with Agha but Agha ain't a good choice
 
Don’t think Faisal or Sufyan has enough talent to enter in to playing XI mainly as a bowler , but no harm in giving chances to them and see if they can develop further.

Arafat can surely walk in to the side in all formats.
 
The trio of Abrar , Faisal and Muqeem seriously lacks revs and bite and they should only play in spin favour conditions, in an standard ODI phatta they will struggle to complete their 10 overs quota and will go for plenty.
 
Pakistans bowling attack needs to have balance to it. Reality is that even if you keep now producing "turning tracks" it's no gaurentee that Pakistan two main spinners are going to bowl everyone out. Pakistan need to have surfaces which help with reverse swing as well which brings pacers into play as well.

Reality is that yeah Pakistan do play spin better than England did. Even so it batting overall wasn't great, other touring teams could easily out bat Pakistan on similar surfaces. As well as having good spinners to exploit conditions.

Yeah Pakistan need to produce more spinners longterm, but let's not act like this game plan isn't without pitfalls. Everything needs good balance
 
Pakistans bowling attack needs to have balance to it. Reality is that even if you keep now producing "turning tracks" it's no gaurentee that Pakistan two main spinners are going to bowl everyone out. Pakistan need to have surfaces which help with reverse swing as well which brings pacers into play as well.

Reality is that yeah Pakistan do play spin better than England did. Even so it batting overall wasn't great, other touring teams could easily out bat Pakistan on similar surfaces. As well as having good spinners to exploit conditions.

Yeah Pakistan need to produce more spinners longterm, but let's not act like this game plan isn't without pitfalls. Everything needs good balance

Classic Pakistan, throw all your eggs in one basket and then do a bhangra for a whole year over the 1-2 times they pull of the heist.
 
Classic Pakistan, throw all your eggs in one basket and then do a bhangra for a whole year over the 1-2 times they pull of the heist.
UAE conditions were perfect for pakistan in past as they had quality spinners, plus pacers who did damage with older ball (these pacers, may not have been world beaters, but were ideal for these conditions)

Pakistan need to replicate that in Pakistan.

Otherwise you kill off pacers at home, then they are undercooked for away series etc..

As a short term vs England it was ok, but I hope so called think-tank use some sense going forward
 
Pakistans bowling attack needs to have balance to it. Reality is that even if you keep now producing "turning tracks" it's no gaurentee that Pakistan two main spinners are going to bowl everyone out. Pakistan need to have surfaces which help with reverse swing as well which brings pacers into play as well.

Reality is that yeah Pakistan do play spin better than England did. Even so it batting overall wasn't great, other touring teams could easily out bat Pakistan on similar surfaces. As well as having good spinners to exploit conditions.

Yeah Pakistan need to produce more spinners longterm, but let's not act like this game plan isn't without pitfalls. Everything needs good balance
The risk is exaggerated, and these myths have recently turned Pakistan into a laughingstock in Test cricket.

Asian teams will always have an advantage over non-Asian teams when it comes to playing spin on turning tracks due to environmental and weather-related factors. However, we shouldn't confuse playing spin on flat tracks—where the ball doesn’t turn and brute force works—with the skill of countering spin on challenging surfaces using techniques like deft touches and using your feet.

Since we don’t play India and Sri Lanka’s performance is inconsistent, this approach is likely to succeed almost every time.

In our domestic cricket, you’ll find far more players adept at handling spin than those who excel against pace, seam, or swing. Players like Saud Shakeel, Kamran Ghulam, Tayyab Tahir, Mohammad Hurraira, and Imam-ul-Haq are just a few examples—there’s no shortage of talent in this area. We will not be a joke at home at least. We will worry about rest later.
 
The risk is exaggerated, and these myths have recently turned Pakistan into a laughingstock in Test cricket.

Asian teams will always have an advantage over non-Asian teams when it comes to playing spin on turning tracks due to environmental and weather-related factors. However, we shouldn't confuse playing spin on flat tracks—where the ball doesn’t turn and brute force works—with the skill of countering spin on challenging surfaces using techniques like deft touches and using your feet.

Since we don’t play India and Sri Lanka’s performance is inconsistent, this approach is likely to succeed almost every time.

In our domestic cricket, you’ll find far more players adept at handling spin than those who excel against pace, seam, or swing. Players like Saud Shakeel, Kamran Ghulam, Tayyab Tahir, Mohammad Hurraira, and Imam-ul-Haq are just a few examples—there’s no shortage of talent in this area. We will not be a joke at home at least. We will worry about rest later.
Ya so true these guys will never be happy pak beat england into pieces and these guys want pitches for fast bowlers who cares as long you winning with your strength which is to play spin and bowl spin india never changed their pitches they always have rank turners why should pak change their plans spin wickets are always going to give positive results to pakistan i dont understand pak fans seriously.
 
Ya so true these guys will never be happy pak beat england into pieces and these guys want pitches for fast bowlers who cares as long you winning with your strength which is to play spin and bowl spin india never changed their pitches they always have rank turners why should pak change their plans spin wickets are always going to give positive results to pakistan i dont understand pak fans seriously.
There is some colonial hangover.

SENA teams unapologetically prepare seaming wickets without a care in the world about how appearing biased or how it prepares them for Asian turners. They don’t care about that. They just want to win at home first and foremost. Yet Pakistanis worry about walking before they can crawl.
 
Aaqib has been great.

Pakistan won 4 series (4 out of 5) after Aaqib became in charge.
 
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