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A selfish innings from Hashim Amla in the 1st ODI?

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Well the final result may well prove him to be right but from what it seems now, its a pretty selfish innings from him to try and get to his 100.

Graeme Smith very unhappy with him as Rassie van der Dussen was commended for taking one for the team and missing his hundred.
 
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Do Hashim Amla’s runs matter in ODIs?

It seems the longer he is out there the more he puts the other batsmen under pressure and ensure the score stays modest.

Just caught some action of today’s match and it seems senior man Amla out his debutant partner under so much pressure to score quick runs that he had to sacrifice his debut century for the sake of team while Grandpa Amla crawls his way to get another useless century.

A modern day ODI opener should be nearing 200 if he has through the entire 50 overs and here is Amla struggling to hit a century! :facepalm:

He has to be one of the most insignificant top basmen in ODI cricket ever.
 
Doesn't have the ability to accelerate. Don't care what the result is. It wasn't a good innings.
 
Ugly knock but then again Amla was never a match winner. He was always champion of soft scores.
 
Gotham Cronie said:
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10 overs left and only 1 wicket down yet you turn down singles and take attack to the opposition I have never seen such a pathetic knock irrespective of the result.
 
Out of form, flat pitch, minnow opposition. Why take unnecessary risks? He did the right thing by playing for himself - with his career coming to a close and the World Cup coming up, this may be the easiest hundred he will ever score from now until his retirement.
 
Graeme Smith has been really vocal about his displeasure with Amla in this innings.
 
Selfish is when you have the ability but you forfeit for your own benefit.

Amla doesn't have a second gear. He played within his limits and that's what he does. The reason why he was never an impact player.

I don't rate him in odi. But this wasn't selfish.
 
Don't think pitch is that flat otherwise S Africa will score over 350+.
 
It is embarrassing watching him bat. :facepalm:

This is not how a great ODI player bats.
 
Mamoon said:
Out of form, flat pitch, minnow opposition. Why take unnecessary risks? He did the right thing by playing for himself - with his career coming to a close and the World Cup coming up, this may be the easiest hundred he will ever score from now until his retirement.
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Exactly.

If Babar Azam could do the same every other game Pak would win a lot of ODI games with their half decent bowling unit outside Asia.
 
Played well till 65 and kept them moving while his partners were struggling but after that when he got century in sight he was extremely selfish.
 
This series is just a warmup for South Africa. They are simply giving their out of form and new players a chance to get some runs under no pressure.

They are going through the motions with low intensity and have still score 260+. Embarrassing stuff for Pakistan who are fast becoming a joke at the top level.

The big teams don’t respect us anymore. This is the final nail in the coffin of Pakistan cricket.
 
108*

A modern day ODI opener bats through 50 overs on a pitch with no demons and only managed freaking 108 runs.

If that’s not mediocre i don’t know what it.
 
Amla, and earlier Dhoni, played such selfish innings. If only they could slash every bowl for six like some superstars will do in the second inning.

Innings like these will win 80% of matches. It was for other batsmen to score at 150-200 which they could not do in both matches. But still it’s 80-20 for RSA thanks to Amla.
 
Mamoon said:
This series is just a warmup for South Africa. They are simply giving their out of form and new players a chance to get some runs under no pressure.

They are going through the motions with low intensity and have still score 260+. Embarrassing stuff for Pakistan who are fast becoming a joke at the top level.

The big teams don’t respect us anymore. This is the final nail in the coffin of Pakistan cricket.
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Calm down. Amla doesn't have the ability to accelerate. Nothing to do with dropping their levels.
 
U can't blame that guy ,, he has been like this since beginning of his career , he is South Africa's MS Dhoni, eats lots of balls
 
So apparently the pitch is a belter and is supposed to be a 350+ score?

Ok then.


Excellent knock. By the comments it should be an "easy win" for Pakistan as this pitch is standard. We'll see.
 
Itachi said:
Selfish is when you have the ability but you forfeit for your own benefit.

Amla doesn't have a second gear. He played within his limits and that's what he does. The reason why he was never an impact player.

I don't rate him in odi. But this wasn't selfish.
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Then you simply get out in a situation like this if you are not competent enough than to cost your team. After 35 overs he should have at least shown the intent. It should have been simple get one boundary every over at least.

Very poor knock and unfortunately this will define Amla's career.
 
Dhoni play such innings - It is his role. Others should accelerate

Amla - swlfish
 
Hasan123 said:
Calm down. Amla doesn't have the ability to accelerate. Nothing to do with dropping their levels.
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He doesn’t, but he wasn’t even trying hard and couldn’t hide his teeth after the innings. He doesn’t even think that they put a below par score. This was a picnic for him.
 
Senior players have this tendency to get selfish at the end of their careers.

Thats why i will always respect Sangakara and Rahul Dravid.
 
MenInG said:
Well the final result may well prove him to be right but from what it seems now, its a pretty selfish innings from him to try and get to his 100.

Graeme Smith very unhappy with him as Rassie van der Dussen was commended for taking one for the team and missing his hundred.
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It was very selfish inning where he showed no intent and simply wanted to score a ton. Newbie took more risk and gave up his 100.

Not having shots is understandable, but you at least try to score when you have lost only 1 wicket in 35-40 overs.

Slow pitch is not an excuse for not trying to play any shots.
 
Mamoon said:
He doesn’t, but he wasn’t even trying hard and couldn’t hide his teeth after the innings. He doesn’t even think that they put a below par score. This was a picnic for him.
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Exactly. He was acting like he has played some match winning knock. Faf expression at the end of the innings summed up nicely.
 
People blaming Amla's 100 as if its match loosing innings. The fact is can our batsmen score even 150 in 50 overs.
 
Mamoon said:
This series is just a warmup for South Africa. They are simply giving their out of form and new players a chance to get some runs under no pressure.

They are going through the motions with low intensity and have still score 260+. Embarrassing stuff for Pakistan who are fast becoming a joke at the top level.

The big teams don’t respect us anymore. This is the final nail in the coffin of Pakistan cricket.
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I don't know whether you are serious or sarcastic, but if one were to buy your logic and assume SA treated Pak like a minnow then they should have belted them everywhere, not crawled to 260 / 2.

I think Amla is just a old man without any hitting ability now, he should share a cup of tea with Dhoni
 
Shafi said:
People blaming Amla's 100 as if its match loosing innings. The fact is can our batsmen score even 150 in 50 overs.
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Miller looked like he could smash 50 very quickly on this pitch. It is a very flat deck.
 
Carried the bat for 50 overs and scored at less than a run a ball. Only Amla is capable of both!!
 
He has always been a great supporting role man in ODIs.

He would take singles, keep rotating strike and play at same gear while would leave the demolition job to Quinton de Kock or AB de Villiers in past. Now when there is neither of two, he finds things tougher.

Faf also plays supporting cast but when required he has the ability to shift gears and accelerate at a higher pace. Amla doesn't have that gear but he was more prolific till he turned 30.
 
It probably was, but I don’t think South Africa has the line up that would do better in that middle passage against Hasan and Shadab
 
I didn't watch the game but in 2019, a score of 266/2 in 50 overs is just bizarre. Either you should be 266/8 or you should be 330/2.
 
leg-side-flick said:
I don't know whether you are serious or sarcastic, but if one were to buy your logic and assume SA treated Pak like a minnow then they should have belted them everywhere, not crawled to 260 / 2.

I think Amla is just a old man without any hitting ability now, he should share a cup of tea with Dhoni
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Their senior players are out of form and they are also playing debutants. They didn’t take any risks and decided to simply spend time at the crease and get some runs under their belt.
 
Gotham Cronie said:
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You can play the same way against Kenya and you will win. Hardly a template to play just because you can win.

Match result is not needed to judge intent.
 
Buffet said:
It was very selfish inning where he showed no intent and simply wanted to score a ton. Newbie took more risk and gave up his 100.

Not having shots is understandable, but you at least try to score when you have lost only 1 wicket in 35-40 overs.

Slow pitch is not an excuse for not trying to play any shots.
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[MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION], ^

This is mostly because he has always been a supporting act in ODIs. Always left the demolition job to de kock or ABD and he would just bat at same gear all through the match.

In past, it worked for him not sure of now.
 
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Shafi said:
People blaming Amla's 100 as if its match loosing innings. The fact is can our batsmen score even 150 in 50 overs.
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Pretty irrelevant whether it becomes match winning or not. What matters is his intent. The way he batted throughout this innings was absolutely pathetic.
 
I am a fan of Hash but no doubt this was a very selfish innings; he should retire rather than sully a great legacy.
 
Ab Fan said:
[MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION], ^

This is mostly because he has always been a supporting act in ODIs.
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I understand that, but you still want to play shots in the last 10 overs when you have lost only 1 wicket. I never saw Amala in leagues of Ab etc, so i am understand him being a supporting batsman, but supporting batsman doesn't mean that you don't try to play shots when teams needs you.

Him getting out after 40 overs was not going to cost SA anything, but him playing his usual game did cost SA many runs. I will take 266/8, but not 266/2 after such foundation.
 
Cannot beat the one from Sachin against Bangladesh [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and Babar innings was too selfis.I will not call this innings a selfish one but it was more of his inability.
 
DRsohail said:
Cannot beat the one from Sachin against Bangladesh [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and Babar innings was too selfis.I will not call this innings a selfish one but it was more of his inability.
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I agree. He tried to score including that weird looking ramp shot. He was unable to get away.
 
We'll know in a few hours what to make of Amla's innings, but it seemed a strange one particularly with the likes of Miller and Faf hardly getting a bat.
 
I am waiting to watch pak bat here but this score against top side would be very hard to defend. Amla's lack of stroke play is one of his biggest flaw which might stop him from being odi great.
 
Amla was never a gun ODI player. Always rated him as a good player and nothing else.

He has been terrible sine 2017 and today's knock was an eyesore.
 
Hitman said:
Pretty irrelevant whether it becomes match winning or not. What matters is his intent. The way he batted throughout this innings was absolutely pathetic.
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Good teams now-a-days don't want to waste too much energy against poor teams to preserve energy.
 
Since the start of this Pakistan tour Hashim has been scoring runs, this has surprised many Pakistani supporters because they thought he is finished and now when he scores a century it has been a burnol moment for most! :rofl:

Players out there know what is a good score, moreover Hashim's role has always been to hold one end up. He was quite simply performing his role... Agreed he should have accelerated towards the end but probably by that time the pitch had become even slower, so better for Hash to get as many runs as possible rather than throwing his wicket away and making it terribly difficult for new batters to come in and hit from the start on a slow wicket, tjey might have got out anyways and south africa could have ended with a score lower than 266.
 
The ball was reversing and turning square tbf, I'd wait for both teams to bat before passing judgement. Amla is the best bat on pitches with movement, I'm surprised we didn't collapse tbh taking into how poor SA are against spin.

Will be interesting to see how Pakistan cope with Tahir and trundlers such Pehlukwayo and Pretorius. Seems tough to hit off cutters through the line.
 
The whole team could have accelerated earlier, with 1 wicket down at 35 overs, from then on they should be aiming to score at 8RPO
 
Mamoon said:
Out of form, flat pitch, minnow opposition. Why take unnecessary risks? He did the right thing by playing for himself - with his career coming to a close and the World Cup coming up, this may be the easiest hundred he will ever score from now until his retirement.
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Yes, same minnow opposition that: beat time in SA last time around, beaten them 4 times out of the last 5 matches which 2 losses included at a ICC event. But yes minnow opposition:salute
 
Hasan123 said:
Calm down. Amla doesn't have the ability to accelerate. Nothing to do with dropping their levels.
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well he used to slog in slog overs.. but here he only once tried and that's a six.. TBH can't blame Amla here, he was badly out of form so it'll be a confident booster.. the celebration from him and sa dugout says it all..
 
Mamoon said:
This series is just a warmup for South Africa. They are simply giving their out of form and new players a chance to get some runs under no pressure.

They are going through the motions with low intensity and have still score 260+. Embarrassing stuff for Pakistan who are fast becoming a joke at the top level.

The big teams don’t respect us anymore. This is the final nail in the coffin of Pakistan cricket.
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The average score at this ground is 230. South Africa are not going through the motions. It's just a slow pitch.
 
DRsohail said:
Cannot beat the one from Sachin against Bangladesh [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and Babar innings was too selfis.I will not call this innings a selfish one but it was more of his inability.
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Except Sachin was desperately struggling for form and timing throughout the innings and he couldnt even put bat to ball most innings. He never looked as much as ease as Amla did here
 
A modern day opener should get atleast closer to 150 if he bats till the 50th over. Why should his poor knock be judged on the basis of how Pakistan perform with the bat? Rabada can bowl a spell of a lifetime and bowl out any team for a score below 100 but that doesn't turn a poor knock into a good one.

Pakistan might struggle here and lose the match but against a team like India, Amlas knock would heavily cost his team. Poor knocks remains poor, that's why despite his tons of runs at the top and great average, he is a very very soft ODI player and not considered among the best.
 
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Scored just 28 off 26 in last 10 overs. He never showed any intent. Selfish definitely
 
boomboomcheema said:
A modern day opener should get atleast closer to 150 if he bats till the 50th over. Why should his poor knock be judged on the basis of how Pakistan perform with the bat? Rabada can bowl a spell of a lifetime and bowl out any team for a score below 100 but that doesn't turn a poor knock into a good one.

Pakistan might struggle here and lose the match but against a team like India, Amlas knock would heavily cost his team. Poor knocks remains poor, that's why despite his tons of runs at the top and great average, he is a very very soft ODI player and not considered among the best.
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Yes. I will never call him an ATG. He is like Misbah who was never a match winner either.
 
DRsohail said:
Cannot beat the one from Sachin against Bangladesh [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and Babar innings was too selfis.I will not call this innings a selfish one but it was more of his inability.
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It was most probably licensed by team management as the 100th 100 was becoming an unbearable burden.
 
Sir Alex said:
Scored just 28 off 26 in last 10 overs. He never showed any intent. Selfish definitely
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Alarming stat for the South African dressing room.
 
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Well maybe that Amla took things easily knowing that playing against a team like Pakistan, Zimbabwe or Hong Kong if you bat first and score around 250 it usually means you win comfortably , such is their ineptitude when chasing a target.
 
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Itachi said:
Selfish is when you have the ability but you forfeit for your own benefit.

Amla doesn't have a second gear. He played within his limits and that's what he does. The reason why he was never an impact player.

I don't rate him in odi. But this wasn't selfish.
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He's scored very rapid T20 centuries as recently as the IPL before last. It's actually just selfish batting, not incapability.
 
That six by Amla showed he can hit them. He just chose not to. That was not good.

Probably they had a target of 250 in mind. But that doesn't excuse not going for it.
 
Amla and ABD were like Jai and Veeru. He’s missing his buddy whom he used to watch going ballistic while he occupied one end.
 
Well so far that innings from Amla is a blessing in disguise.
 
Every boundary hit by Pak batsmen must hurt Amla and faf. This was always a 300+ pitch.
 
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