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The way the Afghan military supposedly trained by the American's capitulated in front of the Taliban suggests they were planted there by them. It is so hard to believe how they did not show the slightest resistance. Not only were they in cahoots with the Taliban but were clearly making fun of the American's too during training sessions)
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Scenes from Kabul Airport
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The situation at Kabul airport is worsening with the airport still taking fire.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kabul?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kabul</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Taliban?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Taliban</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Afghanistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Afghanistan</a> <a href="https://t.co/vqg7jvs1CA">pic.twitter.com/vqg7jvs1CA</a></p>— Wajahat Kazmi (@KazmiWajahat) <a href="https://twitter.com/KazmiWajahat/status/1426991772069150724?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
The way the Afghan military supposedly trained by the American's capitulated in front of the Taliban suggests they were planted there by them. It is so hard to believe how they did not show the slightest resistance. Not only were they in cahoots with the Taliban but were clearly making fun of the American's too during training sessions)
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For a comparison, this scene from the movie Greenland
Reports of Afghan protesters chanting "shame shame Pakistan" outside the White House in the US as they blame the country for the Taliban's re-emergence.
Watch this press conference clip of Joe Biden:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This may become the most infamous — and devastating — press conference ever held by an American President. <a href="https://t.co/j4kKwyPDVm">pic.twitter.com/j4kKwyPDVm</a></p>— BDW (@BryanDeanWright) <a href="https://twitter.com/BryanDeanWright/status/1426710333264179214?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Reports of Afghan protesters chanting "shame shame Pakistan" outside the White House in the US as they blame the country for the Taliban's re-emergence.
Western secularism failed.
Near impossible to implement secularism in a place like Afghanistan which is arguably the most religiously conservative country in the world. Not sure that was the aim of western countries even with Ghani's government.
I mean, the Taliban punish even the muslims for something as trivial as shaving, forget about the minorities in Afghanistan. Secularism was never going to happen there in a million years.
Make this even sweeter, Just Indian sponsored propaganda, let them keep crying.
300k Afghan security forces surrendering to 75k Taliban is also Pakistan's fault.) These guys literally think Pakistan is controlling Taliban like puppets. I think they are living 25 years in the past. Taliban have significant support in their own country.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No Talib ever forced me to pay bribes in exchange for not arresting me.<br><br>No Talib ever falsely arrested me in order to extort sex from me.<br><br>No Talib ever solicited sexual favors from me in exchange for granting me a business license.</p>— bibi janey (@janeygak) <a href="https://twitter.com/janeygak/status/1425757511181901830?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In all my time of living and working in Afghanistan, I didn't worry about the Talib Boogieman. My day to day was suffering at the hands of the Kabul government. Everything I wanted to do required bribes or connections. After Farkhunda's murder, I left Kabul with my broken heart.</p>— bibi janey (@janeygak) <a href="https://twitter.com/janeygak/status/1425759601195110406?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From the top to bottom, corruption and degeneracy plague the people. I know so many young people who made riches from scamming aid/grant money with fake NGOs, projects, living the life right now. Other women who LAUGHED in my face for wanting to work honestly in the free market.</p>— bibi janey (@janeygak) <a href="https://twitter.com/janeygak/status/1425766211716100100?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Instead of blaming Pakistan maybe the Afghan government should have some self-awareness of why things have turned up so wrong that a stone age organisation is getting so much local support.
They definitely attempted and the best they could manage was a city. Failed in spectacular fashion.
Every other Muslim country, they've managed to at least trickle in some modern western philosophy. It took them 20 years to learn it just wasn't gonna happen in Afghanistan.
I think you're talking about western style democracy and not western style secularism.
Malaysia as a country is eons ahead of Afghanistan and Malaysia is not a secular country. Afghanistan is the last place I expect to be secular. Afghanistan whether it was going to be under Ghani, Karzai or the Afghan king or the Taliban was never going to be secular like the western societies.
Yes, but Pakistan army is supporting with arms , its a known fact..why the shame?
Yes, but Pakistan army is supporting with arms , its a known fact..why the shame?
I happen to read all reports from almost all sources put of Kabul. I didn’t hear a single life being lost today after Taliban occupied the city. Infact few pictures of a crowd receiving Taliban became a big internet sensation.
Compare that to the day Kabul was conquered by US and NATO back in 2001, there was bloodshed, lots of it and multiple bombardment.
I think this Taliban is a lot different from what we saw in the 90s (when I came the policies). The western media and a lot of Indians expected a blood bath. I didnt are one. Infact even govt members were allowed to stay or leave without any trouble.
What is the proof of this known fact? In any case, not sure how things would have been different if Pakistan was not in the picture.
I want you to give me one proof, one single proof that this Taliban is supported by arms by Pakistan.
You are just firing in the air freely, sounds more like a verbal dirrhea. Taliban are currently using soviet era weapons and 30 year old American weapons technology. The army they were against would’ve been defeated by street gangs. Also part of this capture was political settlements made by Taliban. So now, show us the proof, or please shut up for good.
Please. It's just been 6 hours. And the Taliban have vowed to "keep deaths to a minimum" at least until the US fully evacuates.
Let's look at this over the next year or so. I fully expect Afghanistan to end up like what Libya is currently.
Sure, everyone in Pakpassion posts with proof in their pocket - wasn't this known fact since ages
https://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/afghan2/Afghan0701-02.htm
Sure, everyone in Pakpassion posts with proof in their pocket - wasn't this known fact since ages
https://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/afghan2/Afghan0701-02.htm
Seems like you were expecting that narrative that there would be bloodshed.
Believe me when I say this, I am surprised too. That doesn’t change the fact that there was NO BLOODSHED.
I am comparing it was the invasion in Iraq and Afghanistan. Just look at it yourself, and if you find anything different, I will change my narrative.
If you want an easy example of how the decree of Allāh works look at it this way;
It took 20 years for the US to 'try' and gain control of not only a country but it's population. Within 20 days (more or less), Tāliban took over the whole of Afghanistan.
Another amazing manifestation of the Conquest of Makkah in the life of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ.
May Allāh protect Afghanistan and it's people from the real enemies.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kabul: people who tied themselves to the plane wheels - fell off the plane <a href="https://t.co/Lm5YDbizlw">pic.twitter.com/Lm5YDbizlw</a></p>— Amichai Stein (@AmichaiStein1) <a href="https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1427186370016067591?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Stop making this as india-Pakistan affair. Think about poor people of Afghanistan, who just wants a peaceful life.
Looking at pictures of airport today. People desperate to leave makes me very sad.
If you want an easy example of how the decree of Allāh works look at it this way;
It took 20 years for the US to 'try' and gain control of not only a country but it's population. Within 20 days (more or less), Tāliban took over the whole of Afghanistan.
Another amazing manifestation of the Conquest of Makkah in the life of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ.
May Allāh protect Afghanistan and it's people from the real enemies.
The Taliban rule by fear and force. This is not how a society should live. Nor is it how our Prophet pbuh ruled.
Stop making this as india-Pakistan affair. Think about poor people of Afghanistan, who just wants a peaceful life.
Looking at pictures of airport today. People desperate to leave makes me very sad.
Can anyone summarise why Pakistan would back the Taliban? what is for them to gain? and why did the Ghani government hate Pakistan so much.
Also would be good to know how did the Taliban survive so long
Afghanistan was never free of the Talliban even when the USA was in the country. While civilian govt and USA controlled Kabul and major provinces of the country, there was a major chunk that belonged to the Taliban even before USA decided to pull out.
With USA presence there, the Taliban was always in retreat.
The Taliban existed in the parts of the country where there was no modern life technology. Basically they are people that prefer to live a lifestyle of the old times and they denounce modern technology and dont accept modern sociology.
Thus, you would see, they attract more followers from the undeveloped side of the country while they wont get support from places like Kabul or Mazar e Sharif.
Now the civilian govt backed by USA that existed hated Pakistan as Pakistan in the past had been backing the Taliban. Afghanis believe that the reasons why there country is in bad shape is because of Pakistan and its support for the Taliban.
One of the biggest mistake was when Trump started dialogue with Taliban leaders in Qatar and Imran Khan also vouching for this. This gave these Talibs some hope and allowed the mobilize themselves.
During the 20 years, Pakistan did nothing to mend their relations with the Afghanis. Yes they gave them places to stay but the Afghanis that lived here were just poor and were treated as 3rd class citizens. There was always that resentment from the Afghanis for the Pakistanis.
While at the same time India invested in the Afghan people. They were providing them free health care. There is a place in New Delhi called Saket where alot of Afghanis live. They go to New Delhi as free health care is provided to them and they are able to get operations and major surgeries there.
Thus, through such ways, India was able to build a rapport with Afghanistan, while Pakistan failed to do so. We barely took a few students under scholarship programs.
Pakistani locals back the Taliban govt as they are always in awe of someone who qoutes Islam and who promises to implement Shariah law. Even though majority of Pakistanis dont understand these laws and have no idea how they impact the life of common people. Yet you will find alot of Pakistanis and alike overseas Pakistanis enjoying liberal life in the west but calling for an Islamic govt in Kabul.
Pakistani govt backs the Taliban as they believe that now they have a govt in Afghanistan that will be favorable to them and not the Indians. Pakistan issue was why India had good relations with Afghanistan.
However, this myth will be broken eventually. Pakistan can have good relations with the govt of Afghanistan now, but the people of Afghanistan will always resent Pakistan. Pakistan thinks it is making gains with their flawed foreign policy while they are just creating problems for themselves in the long run.
Lets say if in 10 years this Taliban regime breaks, the Afghani people that will come into power will not have good relations with Pakistan.
Right now there are few issues:
1. Does TTP get motivated by this and start doing something similar in the Northern side of Pakistan? This is a possibility as the TTP gets training and support from the Afghan Taliban and some statements have been made by TTP recently.
2. Does China recognize the Taliban govt or not. If China recognizes them, than Pakistan will be forced to recognized as we cant say No to China. Now this situation could be tricky.
USA has said they will recognize the Taliban govt if they dont violate Human rights. So if USA does recognize them than it is no issue for anyone recognizing them.
If USA does not recognize them, China does and we have to aswell, than Pakistan could be branded as Terrorist state or terrorist supporting state which creates more problems for us as international forums.
There are examples of corporal punishment during rasoullah saw time such as cutting hands, executing people who disobeyed prophets orders muslim and a jew hazrat omar cut of the Muslims head.
And stoning of a adulterers
Fatima bint al aswad had her left hand cut off for stealing and it was ordered by rasoullah saw
Wow those scenes....are people really hanging onto an aircraft like its a bloody bus?!!!<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Video: People run on tarmac of Kabul international airport as a US military aircraft attempts to take off. <a href="https://t.co/9qA36HS0WQ">pic.twitter.com/9qA36HS0WQ</a></p>— TOLOnews (@TOLOnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/TOLOnews/status/1427204278695997442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Saudi Arabia on Monday urged Taliban insurgents who seized Afghanistan's capital Kabul, completing a sweep across the country, to preserve lives, property and security as stipulated by "Islamic principles".
"The kingdom stands with the choices that the Afghan people make without interference," the foreign ministry of Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, said in a statement issued by official media.
"Based on the noble principles of Islam..., the kingdom of Saudi Arabia hopes that the Taliban movement and all Afghan parties will work to preserve security, stability, lives and property,"
It also voiced hope the situation would stabilise as soon as possible, as thousands of Afghans fearful of the Taliban thronged Kabul airport in desperate efforts to leave. Five people were killed in the chaos on Monday.
Fellow Gulf state Qatar said it was seeking a peaceful transition in Afghanistan and was doing its utmost to help efforts to evacuate diplomats and foreign staff in international organizations from the country.
Doha has hosted a Taliban office since 2013 for peace talks andhas played a central role in trying to reach a political settlement in Afghanistan with the withdrawal of U.S. troops.
"There is international concern about the fast pace of developments and Qatar is doing its utmost to bring a peaceful transition, especially after the vacuum that happened," Qatari Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al-Thani told a news conference in the Jordanian capital Amman.
Bahrain, current chair of the six-nation Gulf Cooperation Council, said on Monday it would initiate consultations with fellow Gulf Arab states regarding the situation in Afghanistan, state media reported.
I don't know about the other links, but the twitter account you have posted seems to be a fake one.
I'm no intelligence specialist but it's not hard to identify fake profiles. An account with a kashmiri muslim name with an Indian flag beside his username and speaking with overzealous Indian patriotism, you can bet your bottom dollar that the account is 90% fake and is likely to be operated by an Indian.
I just had a cursory glance at some of the tweets posted by that twitter account, an Afghan lady calling Indians 'pajeets' and throwing slurs at hindus with a generic username and a generic dp, I'm pretty sure that's fake brother. More likely to be a Pakistani bloke than an Afghan lady. There are a lot of fake accounts existing to peddle the narrative of both sides in both India and Pakistan.
Wow those scenes....are people really hanging onto an aircraft like its a bloody bus?!!!
Last time around taliban had placed a 50% tax on companies, and their economy relied on opiom that was being sold to Pakistan.
They did not even have a minister of finance, no economist or banker, and no budget. It was basically mullah omar who gave out money without book keeping.
Wonder what they will do this time.
Its a govt that is doomed to fail
Last time they were under sanctions. And besides from Pakistan & Saudi Arabia no one recognized their government. This time they are trying to get legitimacy, especially with Russia and China.
Most people are missing the bigger picture here as usual.
Regional stakeholders (Pakistan, China, Rus, Iran) have finally realized that Afghanistan is strategically too important to fail. There is a bigger game at play here and Afghan Taliban are just the pawns (although they do have majority public support in Afghanistan unlike previous regimes).
With the above stated background, the current proceedings in Afghanistan should not surprise us. The swift capture of outlying provinces and border crossings by Taliban, the encirclement of Kabul, humane treatment with non Pashtuns in captured provinces, the overall aversion from bloodshed. There is a small possibility that mullahs have evolved but evolution to this extent is unlikely.
Regional powers are guiding every move of Taliban and they will ensure the stability in Afghanistan by keeping Taliban and other factions in check. In coming weeks, many regional countries will officially recognize whatever government is formed at Kabul and subsequently Afghanistan will join OBOR. Pakistan will be interested in Pakistan-Afghanistan-Uzbekistan railway project and Peshawar-Kabul motorway.
I see a better future for Afghanistan, the region will prosper this decade.
I am happy that there was no civil war like situation in Afghanistan. This means no refugees crisis like past and hopefully no trouble in future.
But with such ease these unfit Talibani warriors took over one must think US tax payers money went so down the drain training Afghan Army it is hilarious, for all this Americans could had settled on Mars.
You should then check the Afghan Embassy in India account, it absolutely verifies what the above woman is saying and is actually full of worse allegations. Some gems below:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More tweets from Afghan embassy in India attacking Ghani & his circle. <a href="https://t.co/r725vbPTJA">https://t.co/r725vbPTJA</a> <a href="https://t.co/rfrPUANBSy">pic.twitter.com/rfrPUANBSy</a></p>— FJ (@Natsecjeff) <a href="https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1427060693262606340?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>