Ahmed Shehzad vs Ajinkya Rahane : The better future prospect?

[Straight_Drive]

well rohit bats at the same strike rate n rahane is not consistent

lol....both are better than rayudu...especially rahane...and i was not making a case for rohit....there are better players in jhadav ,samson sitting on the bench while this hack plays...anyone can come in for rayudu

 

[steelo green]

1 match guys, relax. It happens.

 

[Mir jibran]

lol....both are better than rayudu...especially rahane...and i was not making a case for rohit....there are better players in jhadav ,samson sitting on the bench while this hack plays...anyone can come in for rayudu

let him fail first then he ll be dropped

 

[Straight_Drive]

let him fail first then he ll be dropped

he is already failing with those meaningless fifties...anyways he will be dropped for rohit sharma when he comes back....the only problem is new guys not getting a chance

 

[Mir jibran]

he is already failing with those meaningless fifties...anyways he will be dropped for rohit sharma when he comes back....the only problem is new guys not getting a chance

I don't see him getting dropped for a flat track bully
if there is someone deserving to get dropped I.e kohli

 

[Straight_Drive]

I don't see him getting dropped for a flat track bully
if there is someone deserving to get dropped I.e kohli

lol...now you are losing me drop kohli ....and yeah sharma is a FTB but at least he can bully on flat tracks unlike rayudu and rohit has not been dropped ,he was injured thus rayudu will be dropped once rohit comes back

 

[Mir jibran]

lol...now you are losing me drop kohli ....and yeah sharma is a FTB but at least he can bully on flat tracks unlike rayudu and rohit has not been dropped ,he was injured thus rayudu will be dropped once rohit comes back

kohli has failed in last 15 international innings

 

[Straight_Drive]

kohli has failed in last 15 international innings

....people of kohli's class get a much longer rope

 

[Mir jibran]

....people of kohli's class get a much longer rope

yes rayudu will be India's new scapegoat

 

[Straight_Drive]

yes rayudu will be India's new scapegoat

lol i don't know why you like rayudu so much...but i have not based my opinion on rayudu based on two matches...i have followed rayudu's career in ipl , A tours , Bangla series, asia cup , almost all his international matches...he is not a big player...he & rahane lost us the asia cup match with their slow batting.....he is mediocre in every way possible...in australia A tour when every player was striking at 100+ rayudu's strike rate was 78.....so he will/should be dropped no matter how many useless fifties he scores cause when the big pressure matches comes he will singlehandedly lose the match

 

[steelo green]

lol i don't know why you like rayudu so much...but i have not based my opinion on rayudu based on two matches...i have followed rayudu's career in ipl , A tours , Bangla series, asia cup , almost all his international matches...he is not a big player...he & rahane lost us the asia cup match with their slow batting.....he is mediocre in every way possible...in australia A tour when every player was striking at 100+ rayudu's strike rate was 78.....so he will/should be dropped no matter how many useless fifties he scores cause when the big pressure matches comes he will singlehandedly lose the match

Misbah Ul Haq is the reason why.

This is why he is so polarizing in Pakistan. Runs on the board but sometimes with the ridiculous SR and dot ball percentage.

 

[Mir jibran]

lol i don't know why you like rayudu so much...but i have not based my opinion on rayudu based on two matches...i have followed rayudu's career in ipl , A tours , Bangla series, asia cup , almost all his international matches...he is not a big player...he & rahane lost us the asia cup match with their slow batting.....he is mediocre in every way possible...in australia A tour when every player was striking at 100+ rayudu's strike rate was 78.....so he will/should be dropped no matter how many useless fifties he scores cause when the big pressure matches comes he will singlehandedly lose the match

I completely disagree y can't he replace rohit who scored 80 ball 50 in his last odi

 

[Electron]

I completely disagree y can't he replace rohit who scored 80 ball 50 in his last odi

Rohit is so hopeless that anyone can replace him. Thing is, that most Indians believe that India has better batsmen than Raydu, and they should be the ones replacing Rohit.

 

[Mir jibran]

Rohit is so hopeless that anyone can replace him. Thing is, that most Indians believe that India has better batsmen than Raydu, and they should be the ones replacing Rohit.

but y would u drop him without any failure

 

[Electron]

but y would u drop him without any failure

SR of 70 after 16 matches kind of shows his playing style which is too slow. I am sure he has a bright future ahead, but the WC is months away, and I am not too sure if we can afford this kind of SR.

 

[Mir jibran]

SR of 70 after 16 matches kind of shows his playing style which is too slow. I am sure he has a bright future ahead, but the WC is months away, and I am not too sure if we can afford this kind of SR.

if I m not wrong 2 matches ago s/r was in 60's
he ll definitely have a strike rate of 80

 

[Electron]

if I m not wrong 2 matches ago s/r was in 60's
he ll definitely have a strike rate of 80

Yes, and that's probably the reason why Indian posters don't seem too kind on him. They have seen him last 14 matches with a SR of 60, which is way below what is expected. But I have seen people in sports and life, who are a little tentative to start with, but race ahead of others after some time.

So, you never know. The way he has gone about his domestic Cricket and A-tours in the past could give us an answer to this.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Dropping Kohli from ODI's?

 

[Mir jibran]

Yes, and that's probably the reason why Indian posters don't seem too kind on him. They have seen him last 14 matches with a SR of 60, which is way below what is expected. But I have seen people in sports and life, who are a little tentative to start with, but race ahead of others after some time.

So, you never know. The way he has gone about his domestic Cricket and A-tours in the past could give us an answer to this.

let's see

 

[Mir jibran]

lol i don't know why you like rayudu so much...but i have not based my opinion on rayudu based on two matches...i have followed rayudu's career in ipl , A tours , Bangla series, asia cup , almost all his international matches...he is not a big player...he & rahane lost us the asia cup match with their slow batting.....he is mediocre in every way possible...in australia A tour when every player was striking at 100+ rayudu's strike rate was 78.....so he will/should be dropped no matter how many useless fifties he scores cause when the big pressure matches comes he will singlehandedly lose the match

hello bro hope ua doing good
so let's see wat rayudu does today ?

 

[Varun]

Still neck and neck between these two in the ODI format.

 

[Adil_94]

Still neck and neck between these two in the ODI format.

Rahane will overtake him his S/R has improved recently. he was looking good today before Dhawan sold him down the river

 

[Sandeep]

Rahane will be the opener for India in 2015 WC and Rohit will be 2 down..

 

[Varun]

Rahane will be the opener for India in 2015 WC and Rohit will be 2 down..

And Rayudu will come in at #5 and Jadeja at #7. *shudders*

 

[Bullet Drive]

Funny how it ain't been bumped after Shehzad does well and Rahane fails.

Guess PP members like it the other way round.

12 off 28 on an Indian pitch against WI. Throws his wicket away to Darren Sammy

Flat pitch, small boundaries & a quick outfield. Complete opposite to UAE where Shehzad plays most games. UAE is a slow wicket difficult to score runs, has big boundaries and always a sluggish outfield.

 

[Mamoon]

Rahane is a class above Shehzad when it comes to caliber and ability. Watch them both at their best and the difference is obvious. Rahane has better technique, footwork is excellent and is against both pace and spin. Shehzad is decent against pace but poor against spin.

Both are poor at strike rotation with Rahane a little better. However, talent is one thing and application is another. Rahane seems to rest too much on his natural ability while for all his problems and shortcomings, Shehzad is the only young batsman in the team along with Shafiq (young in terms of exposure and experience) to have a certain degree of application and intelligence, however, none of our young batsmen come close to the best young batsmen in the world - the likes of Kohli, Pujara, Root, Rahane, Williamson, Smith and de Kock.

Umar, Maqsood, Shehzad, Amin are simply not of that caliber. Jury is out on Shafiq and Haris, I'm interested to see how Shafiq performs at 3 after an extended run in both Tests and ODIs. He's technically a level above every batsman in the country but needs to find his range now while Haris isn't tested yet but the odds are against him because he's a Pakistani and we are not renowned for quality batsman. Whatever the reason - poor coaching, lack of application, guidance etc etc.

Difficult to put Fawad into any category because he's an insult to the art of batting.

 

[Alchemy]

Ahmed is pure awesomeness.

 

[desi_launda]

Rahane is unlucky to have played only 1 home test till now,that too on a Kotla minefield.Things wont be easy,with 4 tests coming up Down Under

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

Shahzad could have played an innings that could define his career. Immense maturity and solidness shown against a good team.

 

[Kianig89]

Not sure about Shehzad vs Rahane but he is miles and light years better than poster boy some PPer's darling aka CLH

 

[Bilal7]

Rahane is unlucky to have played only 1 home test till now,that too on a Kotla minefield.Things wont be easy,with 4 tests coming up Down Under

Shehzad hasn't even played one and won't for quite some time now.

 

[GreenKnightRises]

This Guy is miles ahead of Rahane in all Formats

 

[MRSN]

This Guy is miles ahead of Rahane in all Formats

Rahane is just an FTB like Sehwag and Ghambhir.:ahmedShehzad

 

[Saurav]

This Guy is miles ahead of Rahane in all Formats

How did he do in Tests outside SC

 

[Fahdi]

Rahane being seriously underrated here. I'll take Rahane over Shehzad in tests. Even in ODIs Rahane has much more potential and ability.

Rahane has scored a 96 in SA under pressure, a hundred in NZ and England. He averages 39.88 in tests despite having played just one test in Asia whereas Shehzad has played all his tests in Asia.

 

[Ahson8]

This Guy is miles ahead of Rahane in all Formats

Lol Rahane has got centuries vs England IN England. Not saying Shehzad isn't capable of that, but atleast let him play a test out of SC first before making such... well, ridiculous conclusions.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

Technique and Pleasing to watch - Rahane

Timing and Touch - Rahane

Power and Hitting ability - Shehzad

Against Pace - Similar

Against Spin - Rahane

Backing of Fans, Management and Board - Shehzad

Hype and Popularity - Shehzad

 

[steelo green]

Technique and Pleasing to watch - Rahane

Timing and Touch - Rahane

Power and Hitting ability - Shehzad

Against Pace - Similar

Against Spin - Rahane

Backing of Fans, Management and Board - Shehzad

Hype and Popularity - Shehzad

What on Earth's name is that? Pleasing to watch.

How about the main thing which is

Ability to score runs - Shehzad

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

What on Earth's name is that? Pleasing to watch.

How about the main thing which is

Ability to score runs - Shehzad

Easy on the eyes, in the mold of Damien Martyn, Mark Waugh, Yousuf and VVS. Anyone anti-Dhoni/Misbah/Chanderpaul when it comes to ugliness.

Shehzad and Rahane both will be effective, Rahane's innings are slightly more fluidic due to his ability to rotate strike, playing less dot balls whereas Shehzad's are little stuttering, his batting gears are similar to Misbah.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Shehzad is pleasing to watch.

Rahane can't strike like Shehzad.

Let Shehzad play in India ODI's first.

 

[spiderreddy]

Rahane averages 44.66 in tests outside Asia.

 

[Pakistani_Legend]

Shehzad is pleasing to watch.

Rahane can't strike like Shehzad.

Let Shehzad play in India ODI's first.

Sorry?

 

[Bullet Drive]

"Ahmed Shehzad was simply brilliant" - Michael Clarke.

 

[Noobosauras]

What on Earth's name is that? Pleasing to watch.

How about the main thing which is

Ability to score runs - Shehzad

Really?

Let me put some stats for you.

Rahane out of his 10 tests has played 9 overseas till now.
Averages 69 in South Africa (2 Tests)
Averages 54 in Nz (2 Tests)
Averages 33 in England (5 tests)
Averages 04 in India (1 Test)

Sehzad has played all 6 tests in Asia (4 UAE and 2 Srilanka)
Averages 50.8 in UAE
Averages 21.5 in SriLanka

Who do you now think has better ability to score runs given this data?

Sehzad has good potential and so has Rahane. Both have played very few matches till now.
But given what they have done till now, I would put my money on Rahane as he has scored well in very different conditions.

 

[steelo green]

Really?

Let me put some stats for you.

Rahane out of his 10 tests has played 9 overseas till now.
Averages 69 in South Africa (2 Tests)
Averages 54 in Nz (2 Tests)
Averages 33 in England (5 tests)
Averages 04 in India (1 Test)

Sehzad has played all 6 tests in Asia (4 UAE and 2 Srilanka)
Averages 50.8 in UAE
Averages 21.5 in SriLanka

Who do you now think has better ability to score runs given this data?

I'm talking overall. He puts runs on the board. Rahane is a good talent, but he also has been inconsistent. Putting runs on the board is a skill in and of itself.

Test wise I take Rahane for sure.

I think it was misconstrued that I think he's not a good player. He is, very good in fact, has the ability to be better than Shehzad, but ability and production are two different things.

 

[Noobosauras]

I'm talking overall. He puts runs on the board. Rahane is a good talent, but he also has been inconsistent. Putting runs on the board is a skill in and of itself.

Test wise I take Rahane for sure.

I think it was misconstrued that I think he's not a good player. He is, very good in fact, has the ability to be better than Shehzad, but ability and production are two different things.

With ODI I agree, but I dont see Rahane and Pujara as permanent members of our ODI team anyway. And I hope they focus on Tests.

 

[Big Boss]

Sehzad is better.

 

[Alchemy]

Technique and Pleasing to watch - Rahane

Timing and Touch - Rahane

Power and Hitting ability - Shehzad

Against Pace - Similar

Against Spin - Rahane

Backing of Fans, Management and Board - Shehzad

Hype and Popularity - Shehzad

Good analysis.

However, i would disagree with rahane being pleasing to watch.

Also, two more variables i would like to add.

Tries to be creative - Shehzad

Consistency and the hunger to score big - Shehzad

 

[Fahdi]

With ODI I agree, but I dont see Rahane and Pujara as permanent members of our ODI team anyway. And I hope they focus on Tests.

Which is a shame really. Rahane has all the ability needed to be a very successful ODI player. In tests he has done extremely well, I rate him higher than Kohli.

 

[world cup captain]

"Ahmed Shehzad was simply brilliant" - Michael Clarke.

Accept it. Rahane is better than Shehzad. Shehzad is yet to play a test outside of SC. The ton Rahane scored, that was in a very tough situation if I remember correctly and the conditions were awful.

 

[London_Lahori]

Accept it. Rahane is better than Shehzad. Shehzad is yet to play a test outside of SC. The ton Rahane scored, that was in a very tough situation if I remember correctly and the conditions were awful.

How many ODI tons does Rahane have outside Asia?

I think Rahane is a very good player, I don't think there's much between the players to be honest. Both will be around world cricket for a while. Rahane had played the better test innings prior to today but shehzad has played the better ODI and T20 innings.

Both good players.

 

[world cup captain]

How many ODI tons does Rahane have outside Asia?

I think Rahane is a very good player, I don't think there's much between the players to be honest. Both will be around world cricket for a while. Rahane had played the better test innings prior to today but shehzad has played the better ODI and T20 innings.

Both good players.

Don't be biased, as a player which one is better?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Shehzad id bit like Murali Vijay. Natural ability is very high but has technical flaws and temperament issues.

Rahane is bit of a Michael Hussey wannabe. He's a perfectionist.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

How many ODI tons does Rahane have outside Asia?

I think Rahane is a very good player, I don't think there's much between the players to be honest. Both will be around world cricket for a while. Rahane had played the better test innings prior to today but shehzad has played the better ODI and T20 innings.

Both good players.

In ODIs - Tons outside SC

Shehzad has 3 (SA, NZ and WI). 51 matches.

Rahane has 1 (Eng). 37 matches.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

From what I have seen of both, Rahane will eventually take off and this won't be a competition.

Rahane however has to work on playing spin on rank turners.

 

[Bullet Drive]

In ODIs - Tons outside SC

Shehzad has 3 (SA, NZ and WI). 51 matches.

Rahane has 1 (Eng). 37 matches.

And Rahane's ODI ton was one of the most useless innings you will see chasing a very low total.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

And Rahane's ODI ton was one of the most useless innings you will see chasing a very low total.

Wow.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Rahane still is not in the zone in ODIs. He is a very average No 4 in ODIs and in recent times has looked too good as an ODI opener.

Once the dust is settled, we will see what happens.

 

[Arsal_AK]

And Rahane's ODI ton was one of the most useless innings you will see chasing a very low total.

No,it wasn't.

Stop making OTT statements.Shehzad ton in WI was useless too by that logic.

 

[Ahson8]

Shehzad has the better record off the two in ODIs ATM. And I'd prefer him over Rahane in LO's, but in tests Rahane is clearly superior ATM.

 

[Arsal_AK]

Rahane still is not in the zone in ODIs. He is a very average No 4 in ODIs and in recent times has looked too good as an ODI opener.

Once the dust is settled, we will see what happens.

Yes, he is quality as I am surprised he hasn't broken through yet.

That being said I rate Shehzad pretty highly as well.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Yes, he is quality as I am surprised he hasn't broken through yet.

That being said I rate Shehzad pretty highly as well.

Shehzad too can achieve a lot once he starts playing spin well.

I haven't seen him much in the current test but from what I have seen of him in the past, his game against spin needs a lot of work.

Rahane too has issues with spin (Test matches). I mean playing them on Indian tracks. He could have improved (I dunno) but hthat is one area I am not sure about him. He needs to master playing spin in Indian spin tracks where he will be playing 50% of his test matches.

 

[Zanjeer]

Ajinkya rahane is technically sound, but I somehow feel like Shehzad is mentally strong and he kinda manages it with his never give up attitude. Dhoni is a fine example how a player can play well despite being technically not so good.

 

[Electron]

Shehzad id bit like Murali Vijay. Natural ability is very high but has technical flaws and temperament issues.

Rahane is bit of a Michael Hussey wannabe. He's a perfectionist.

This. Sums it up beautifully.

 

[Mamoon]

Few sights in cricket today are better than watching Rahane in flow or Clarke playing spin (other than this match).

 

[battler]

Few sights in cricket today are better than watching Rahane in flow or Clarke playing spin (other than this match).

Rahane's cover drives are awesome

 

[Mamoon]

Deft touch.

 

[Saurav]

Few sights in cricket today are better than watching Rahane in flow or Clarke playing spin (other than this match).

Clarke is very overrated vs spin

 

[battler]

Deft touch.

Rahane is a good player of fast bowling.
As far as spin is concerned, he is pre-dominantly a back-foot player, will have to improve his front foot game if he wants to master spin.

 

[Mamoon]

Watching Clarke put his dancing shoes on against spinners ball after ball is pretty amazing.

 

[Saurav]

Watching Clarke put his dancing shoes on against spinners ball after ball is pretty amazing.

Lol just because he steps down the wicket doesn't make him great player of spin.Best players don't have to do it so often

His record is decent at best in Asia.

 

[leatherface58]

It could be argued that Smith plays spin better than Pupster.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol just because he steps down the wicket doesn't make him great player of spin.Best players don't have to do it so often

His record is decent at best in Asia.

He has played some great knocks against spin and I'd put him in the top 5 for certain.

 

[Saurav]

He has played some great knocks against spin and I'd put him in the top 5 for certain.

What great knocks?Apart from his debut ton he has mostly failed v quality spin.There are lot of failures in between some good knocks.No consistency at all

 

[Aman]

He has played some great knocks against spin and I'd put him in the top 5 for certain.

Wasn't he in the top 2-3 yesterday?

 

[Mamoon]

He has problems with consistency in general. Scores very big or gets out cheaply but that doesn't take away from his ability to play spin.

 

[Mamoon]

Top 5 are interchangeable. There is no single great player of spin today, other than Sangakkara maybe.

 

[Aman]

Top 5 are interchangeable. There is no single great player of spin today, other than Sangakkara maybe.

Clarke has done little in the last few years to suggest he's top 5, even the Aussies don't think he is.

Just a few easily pleased fangirls who go over the top with his quick feet.

 

[Hawkeye]

Watching Clarke put his dancing shoes on against spinners ball after ball is pretty amazing.

Clarke is a league below ABD/Sanga/Amla/Younis in playing spin.

 

[Saurav]

He has problems with consistency in general. Scores very big or gets out cheaply but that doesn't take away from his ability to play spin.

It does if your failures are far more than successes.1-2 innings aren't enough to label someone as great