Arsenal FC | 2024/25 Season

[aboveandbeyond]

Not all all, I’m enjoying the moment like other Arsenal fans.

If anyone needs it, it would be you after how all of your Rice bashing has backfired in spectacular fashion.



Bellingham and Rice are top tier players. I would say they are among the top 3 players for England (along with Saka).

Not every English player is dead like your Harry Maguire.

Not at all. I'm comfortable with my opnions. Until big plsyers lead teams to major titles, then rest is just banter. Lol

 

[topspin]

Rice, Havertz, Timber where brought in to win Arsenal majors

Until they do, then nothings changed.

Maguire was a very poor signing, never wanted him, but the reality is English players have the added transfer fee attached to them for some reason.

You haven’t answered my question which yet again highlights your blatant agenda against Rice and other English players.

I asked the question because earlier in the season you said the signing of Rice was no different to Man U signing Maguire. What kind of footballing insight is that?

 

[topspin]

Not at all. I'm comfortable with my opnions. Until big plsyers lead teams to major titles, then rest is just banter. Lol

The problem with this is “major titles” are won by teams not by individual players.

I’ll give you an example, Giroud in the 2018 World Cup produced 13 shots and not a single one of them was on target, let alone a goal! Does that make him better than Zlatan Ibrahimovic?

The logic is flawed.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Agree that Arsenal have not been able to build up the momentum to challenge for the PL this season, unlike the previous two seasons.
However, there have been several other factors other than team performance that have contributed to this.
We know what these were and how they hampered the impetus.
But by your logic Arsenal will be one of 15/16 PL clubs that will have failed this season.
All about perspective and I’m concluding that we will be polar opposites.

By my logic? Reality is at start of this season Arsenal, Liverpool and Man city were the 3 teams that would have had winning the PL as a realistic target, other teams in PL would have had their own targets. Arsenal are a big club and are judged on what they don't win or in current case fail to win.

Do you think any man city fans see this season as a success? Yet the Arsenal fan base want to keep living off "progress"

History books always show who won titles, not won showed progression

 

[Amjid Javed]

Bayern desperately missed Musiala. He's a generational talent. Had he played, inter would have struggled, same as when the Gooners played Bayern last season, Musiala destroyed Arsenal midfiled in the pockets, they could not pick him up.

Inter are the best defensive side in Europe, also have a top class manager and a very good goal scorer.

Bayern were always going to get exposed at somepoint in this CL

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Inter are the best defensive side in Europe, also have a top class manager and a very good goal scorer.

Bayern were always going to get exposed at somepoint in this CL

Not for me . A fit Davies and Musiala and Bayern to.much quality for inter.

But it is whst it is. Inter are through.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

The problem with this is “major titles” are won by teams not by individual players.

I’ll give you an example, Giroud in the 2018 World Cup produced 13 shots and not a single one of them was on target, let alone a goal! Does that make him better than Zlatan Ibrahimovic?

The logic is flawed.

No He's not a So called big player. 2018, Mbappe lived up to his Top draw tag and led France to the world cup with a string of quality performances

 

[Amjid Javed]

Not for me . A fit Davies and Musiala and Bayern to.much quality for inter.

But it is whst it is. Inter are through.

Every team has players that will get injured, suspended etc.. Bayern are just below the best sides in Europe.

It's funny how you make out Real haven't been good this season, yet Bayern have had similar sort of output in Europe thos season

 

[aboveandbeyond]

You haven’t answered my question which yet again highlights your blatant agenda against Rice and other English players.

I asked the question because earlier in the season you said the signing of Rice was no different to Man U signing Maguire. What kind of footballing insight is that?

Ive got no agenda against any player. Its all Rent free in your head for some reason.

Last night Arsenal played well as a team. Let's face it, Madrid Strength is their world class attack, by that, Arsenals Defenders deserve the most credit for keeping them in check for two legs.

 

[topspin]

Ive got no agenda against any player. Its all Rent free in your head for some reason.

Last night Arsenal played well as a team. Let's face it, Madrid Strength is their world class attack, by that, Arsenals Defenders deserve the most credit for keeping them in check for two legs.

Two other posters, who I don't need to name, claim you do. The fact that you can't acknowledge Rice for the way he played during the two legs sums it up.

You will single him out in between games but not when he's had a good game. That's called having an agenda.

 

[topspin]

No He's not a So called big player. 2018, Mbappe lived up to his Top draw tag and led France to the world cup with a string of quality performances

Which is why looking trophies won (at face value) is a flawed way of judging a player.

Gerrard never won the PL but for me he's one of the two greatest midfielders (along with KDB) in the history of the league.

There bottom line is there's only so much you one player can do when the rest of his team isn't up to his level.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Two other posters, who I don't need to name, claim you do. The fact that you can't acknowledge Rice for the way he played during the two legs sums it up.

You will single him out in between games but not when he's had a good game. That's called having an agenda.

Like I said. Really Madrids attack is their overall strength. Your defence deserves the credit for completely nullifying them. For me everyone of your back line where the difference makers. It's not easy to completely shut out a attack who have scored 80 goals between them this season.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Which is why looking trophies won (at face value) is a flawed way of judging a player.

Gerrard never won the PL but for me he's one of the two greatest midfielders (along with KDB) in the history of the league.

There bottom line is there's only so much you one player can do when the rest of his team isn't up to his level.

Gerrard for me was way overrated. He was the best of a average bunch of midfielders at Liverpool at thst time. And for me, Suarez was way more influential.

My best premier league midfielders

Scholes
Debryune
Viera
Keane
Kante

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Every team has players that will get injured, suspended etc.. Bayern are just below the best sides in Europe.

It's funny how you make out Real haven't been good this season, yet Bayern have had similar sort of output in Europe thos season

Because I don't put Bayern at the lofty standards of Real. No team can be compared to them

 

[topspin]

Gerrard for me was way overrated. He was the best of a average bunch of midfielders at Liverpool at thst time. And for me, Suarez was way more influential.

My best premier league midfielders

Scholes
Debryune
Viera
Keane
Kante

Crazy

You really do have it in for non-Man U English players don't you?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Crazy

You really do have it in for non-Man U English players don't you?

He was useless for England. Bottled it in the Premier League when it was his mistake which cost them.

 

[topspin]

Fair to say the experience of the CL can’t be overlooked, last year I think it had been a while since you had qualified? And Arsenal can be jittery when faced with something new, but they’ve learned from that and a lot more at home now

Yes, so prior to last season Arsenal’s last appearance in the competition was in 16/17.

Last season they were exactly that jittery, which is understandable for a young squad. They have come of age now and the team as a whole is now beginning to hit their prime.

Just need an elite left winger and centre forward and ideally more depth in some areas of the squad to become a real menace of a team.

You can see how far we have come under Arteta. We are so close and I am confident we will something major either season or next season.

 

[Amjid Javed]

You haven’t answered my question which yet again highlights your blatant agenda against Rice and other English players.

I asked the question because earlier in the season you said the signing of Rice was no different to Man U signing Maguire. What kind of footballing insight is that?

He will be coming after you, after Maguires performance last night

 

[aboveandbeyond]

He will be coming after you, after Maguires performance last night

@Amjid Javed.

You better worry about Arteta leading the Gooners to Champions league Glory and Mr Mamoon coming back to haunt you.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Seems a lot of fans want to keep pushing out the "progression" phrase rather then actually judging big clubs on winning trophies which is who reason they are a big club.

It's all good saying Arsenal league position is higher, more points, more goals etc.. reality is every season Arsenal objectives changed. The manager himself has waffled this about however "summer" Arsenal had a different objective.

If you Actually look at season upon season and what realistically Arsenal have done? What exactly is their to current show for it.

19/20 - Arteta wins FA cup. Finished 8th

20/21 - Realistically Arsenal could have pushed for a Europa league spot, won the europa league, or domestic cups. They didn't none of those - failed season

21/22 - not in Europe, playing 1 game a week mainly. Realistically Top 4 finish or domestic cup could have been achieved. Bottled top 4 - Failed season

22/23 - oddegard, xhaka, ramsdale all said before start of season. We want to win Europa and make Top 4. Realistic targets. Arsenal bottled the league, didn't win europa. But from a Realistic point of view they made top 4. - 1 Target met, 1 not met

23/24 - Arsenal go big in transfer market. So winning titles was a Realistic target. CL, 1st season back so we're never going to win it. - failed to win title, achieved the best they could in CL

24/25 - A team capable of winning title. Also wining domestic cup and having a go at getting further in CL.
So far not in title race and embarrassing in domestic cups

So for all the dressing up of progress, ultimate on Realistic targets, Arsenal so far have met 1 which was making Top 4 in 22/23 and even thats not a trophy.

Arsenal after 5 years of this phase 1,2,3 4,5 nonsense at stage where judgement is on what you win.

More points, more goals, more excitement or any other nonsense variables don't mean anything at this stage.

 

[Amjid Javed]

You can see how far we have come under Arteta. We are so close and I am confident we will something major either season or next season.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Current environment is conducive to bring success? Based on what?

The owners have zero ambition, they showed that in January when they were waving the white flag in regards to zero recruitment.

So how exactly are Arsenal going to dominate or win trophies etc.. when their is no appetite to get ahead of other clubs around them when opportunity arises.

The manager and captain has zero pressure to win titles, ultimately that lack of accountability is why the club keeps falling short.

You can yap on about motivation etc.. everyone knows when your job is on the line or the owners or president at the club lays out the demands of the club, completely different when the owners only care for money.

Liverpool owners are no different, only reason they got success was the good manager they had and the good recruitment they had over time.

Most successful clubs now, regularly invest and take advantage when opportunity rises. Arsenal don't act in that way.

Based on continuous improvement witnessed each season since Arteta was appointed which encompasses many different areas.
The culture prevalent at the club is testament to this and will mean Arsenal continue to challenge for the top trophies.
As you admit above, Liverpool will win the PL despite their ownership having a similar mentality to Arsenal.
Therefore I take the Kroenkes out of the discussion when it comes to players and coaches ambitions.
Not difficult to understand.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Arsenal don't win the CL, then this "progression" In PL and CL will be failure.

We've seen a younger Arsenal team fail in title races and lose a CL semi final, what was all that progression worth?

Spurs were in 2 title races and got to a CL final under Poch, again what was all that progression worth?

Progression will not be measured by just success or failure it’s more layered and complex. I can see the benefits and importance of it within a working system and it is very often the difference between high achievement and average.
Above part is why Arteta remains at the club because you unknowingly answered the question.
When he leaves progress will stop and the new manager will begin a new process/ progression cycle.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

By my logic? Reality is at start of this season Arsenal, Liverpool and Man city were the 3 teams that would have had winning the PL as a realistic target, other teams in PL would have had their own targets. Arsenal are a big club and are judged on what they don't win or in current case fail to win.

Do you think any man city fans see this season as a success? Yet the Arsenal fan base want to keep living off "progress"

History books always show who won titles, not won showed progression

We have different outlooks on what constitutes success/ failure etc and we will never agree on this matter.
I’m happy to be following this Arsenal side, and I have supported them through many highs and lows going back a fair few decades.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Seems a lot of fans want to keep pushing out the "progression" phrase rather then actually judging big clubs on winning trophies which is who reason they are a big club.

It's all good saying Arsenal league position is higher, more points, more goals etc.. reality is every season Arsenal objectives changed. The manager himself has waffled this about however "summer" Arsenal had a different objective.

If you Actually look at season upon season and what realistically Arsenal have done? What exactly is their to current show for it.

19/20 - Arteta wins FA cup. Finished 8th

20/21 - Realistically Arsenal could have pushed for a Europa league spot, won the europa league, or domestic cups. They didn't none of those - failed season

21/22 - not in Europe, playing 1 game a week mainly. Realistically Top 4 finish or domestic cup could have been achieved. Bottled top 4 - Failed season

22/23 - oddegard, xhaka, ramsdale all said before start of season. We want to win Europa and make Top 4. Realistic targets. Arsenal bottled the league, didn't win europa. But from a Realistic point of view they made top 4. - 1 Target met, 1 not met

23/24 - Arsenal go big in transfer market. So winning titles was a Realistic target. CL, 1st season back so we're never going to win it. - failed to win title, achieved the best they could in CL

24/25 - A team capable of winning title. Also wining domestic cup and having a go at getting further in CL.
So far not in title race and embarrassing in domestic cups

So for all the dressing up of progress, ultimate on Realistic targets, Arsenal so far have met 1 which was making Top 4 in 22/23 and even thats not a trophy.

Arsenal after 5 years of this phase 1,2,3 4,5 nonsense at stage where judgement is on what you win.

More points, more goals, more excitement or any other nonsense variables don't mean anything at this stage.

Easy to do on Championship Manager, not so simple in real life.

 

[BouncerGuy]

PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC... NO PERSONAL REMARKS

 

[Amjid Javed]

Progression will not be measured by just success or failure it’s more layered and complex. I can see the benefits and importance of it within a working system and it is very often the difference between high achievement and average.
Above part is why Arteta remains at the club because you unknowingly answered the question.
When he leaves progress will stop and the new manager will begin a new process/ progression cycle.

More progression nonsense and excuses to hide behind failure.

If you Actually look at season upon season and what realistically Arsenal have done? What exactly is their to current show for it.

19/20 - Arteta wins FA cup. Finished 8th

20/21 - Realistically Arsenal could have pushed for a Europa league spot, won the europa league, or domestic cups. They didn't none of those - failed season

21/22 - not in Europe, playing 1 game a week mainly. Realistically Top 4 finish or domestic cup could have been achieved. Bottled top 4 - Failed season

22/23 - oddegard, xhaka, ramsdale all said before start of season. We want to win Europa and make Top 4. Realistic targets. Arsenal bottled the league, didn't win europa. But from a Realistic point of view they made top 4. - 1 Target met, 1 not met

23/24 - Arsenal go big in transfer market. So winning titles was a Realistic target. CL, 1st season back so we're never going to win it. - failed to win title, achieved the best they could in CL

24/25 - A team capable of winning title. Also wining domestic cup and having a go at getting further in CL.
So far not in title race and embarrassing in domestic cups

So for all the dressing up of progress, ultimate on Realistic targets, Arsenal so far have met 1 which was making Top 4 in 22/23 and even thats not a trophy.

Arsenal after 5 years of this phase 1,2,3 4,5 nonsense at stage where judgement is on what you win.

More points, more goals, more excitement or any other nonsense variables don't mean anything at this stage.

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When Arteta leaves progression will stop? based on what?


A new process will process will be begin.

You should apply for a job as a PR merchant at Arsenal

Did progression stop at Liverpool when klopp left?

This nonsense like your acting like the club will be in trouble in Arteta goes, a manager that's achieved Jack diddly squat since winning FA cup

You think Liverpool or Man city fans are celebrating progression or actually winning trophies.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Easy to do on Championship Manager, not so simple in real life.

Easy to roll out the excuses for failure.

Spurs fans were celebrating

2 title races
Most points in calendar year
Getting to a CL final

Your over hyping the same level of failure

feel free to show where in history books trams are judged on progress or winning titles

 

[Amjid Javed]

We have different outlooks on what constitutes success/ failure etc and we will never agree on this matter.
I’m happy to be following this Arsenal side, and I have supported them through many highs and lows going back a fair few decades.

All big clubs are judged on what they win.

So you over hyping winning nothing is not success.

If uve supposedly followed this team for decades and seen success under GG and wenger for example, now your calling the current era a success then just shows your lack of standards.

All of sudden now progress is supposedly same level as winning titles in past. Already heard this nonsense from the Peshawari cheerleader and a few other fans in this fan base who have happily lowered their standards to give themselves a bit of happiness.

 

[topspin]

He will be coming after you, after Maguires performance last night

Yes @aboveandbeyond

I guess this means Maguire for Man U = Rice for Arsenal right?

 

[topspin]

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What is the purpose of this post? You don’t think or want Arsenal to win the CL?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Yes @aboveandbeyond

I guess this means Maguire for Man U = Rice for Arsenal right?

Come on guys.

 

[Amjid Javed]

What is the purpose of this post? You don’t think or want Arsenal to win the CL?

I was just pulling your leg on the we are close to winning something.

Same as only fools and horses saying

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Did progression stop at Liverpool when klopp left?

This nonsense like your acting like the club will be in trouble in Arteta goes, a manager that's achieved Jack diddly squat since winning FA cup

You think Liverpool or Man city fans are celebrating progression or actually winning trophies.

I’m on record as suggesting Klopp was underachieving with the squad he had towards the end of his tenure.
But even if we accept this, for every Liverpool there are plentiful examples of clubs lacking stability, underperforming, making poor player recruitment choices due to constant changes in management.
Your anti-Arteta narrative is well documented on this site so not surprising that you fail to acknowledge the huge impact during his time at the helm.
It’s worth remembering the situation at the club 5 or so years back after Emery failed to manage the big name players and had to leave.
Without the correct systems in place you don’t win the trophies, Liverpool & Man City have had these in place for a while.
Arsenal had to reset after Wenger. United are still struggling to get the culture/environment right post Fergie.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Easy to roll out the excuses for failure.

Spurs fans were celebrating

2 title races
Most points in calendar year
Getting to a CL final

Your over hyping the same level of failure

feel free to show where in history books trams are judged on progress or winning titles

I don’t agree with what you describe as failure.
Not sure why you fail to grasp this point.
As I said a few times already. Our perspectives on this are polar opposites.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

All big clubs are judged on what they win.

So you over hyping winning nothing is not success.

If uve supposedly followed this team for decades and seen success under GG and wenger for example, now your calling the current era a success then just shows your lack of standards.

All of sudden now progress is supposedly same level as winning titles in past. Already heard this nonsense from the Peshawari cheerleader and a few other fans in this fan base who have happily lowered their standards to give themselves a bit of happiness.

I have also seen the Terry Neil successes followed by the Don Howe missteps as a child when I first fell into love with this team.
My definition of what makes me happy with regards to Arsenal will not be changed by your binary statements on success / failure.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I don’t agree with what you describe as failure.
Not sure why you fail to grasp this point.
As I said a few times already. Our perspectives on this are polar opposites.

It's nothing to do with perspective. If you thing progress with zero trophies or titles to show for it at a big club is success then your only fooling urself.

We are talking about a big club in Arsenal, not some mid table club like Brentford or Brighton.

Go ask Man city, Bayern, PSG, Madrid, Barca, inter fans if they are interested in progress or winning trophies.

But the club has brain washed most of this fan base to accept progress now as so called success.

It's actually embarrassing and it's also why Arsenal will never dominate a given era as their is no appetite to set higher standard or accountability

 

[IMMY69]

The most important thing in sport is competing, winning or losing is actually irrelevant.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I’m on record as suggesting Klopp was underachieving with the squad he had towards the end of his tenure.
But even if we accept this, for every Liverpool there are plentiful examples of clubs lacking stability, underperforming, making poor player recruitment choices due to constant changes in management.
Your anti-Arteta narrative is well documented on this site so not surprising that you fail to acknowledge the huge impact during his time at the helm.
It’s worth remembering the situation at the club 5 or so years back after Emery failed to manage the big name players and had to leave.
Without the correct systems in place you don’t win the trophies, Liverpool & Man City have had these in place for a while.
Arsenal had to reset after Wenger. United are still struggling to get the culture/environment right post Fergie.

Oh here we go the usual Arteta inherited a mess nonsense.

Emery got to a europa league final and just missed out on top 4 by a point. Even in wengers so called poor years he won FA Cups. Yeah all Arteta fan boys want to act as though Areta took Arsenal from league back to PL.

Arsensl have done nothing but fail in last years since winning FA cup. Yet your acting like its some sort of historical achievement.

Eddie howe, Emery (villa) and Nuno (forest) have taken over clubs in worst situations then Arsenal and turn those clubs around. But so called rebuild and progress at Arsenal is some sort of amazing achievement.

Reality is last season and this season Arsenal had a team capable of winning title and haven't. But instead hiding behind the progress nonsense is best justification for failure.

Kronkes happy making money
Most of fan base happy with progress

No wonder the club has fallen short.

When your happy just to compete, your never going to win over a sustained period of time.

It makes me laugh how many people back this process iand say this manager will do this that and other.

Yet now that the team has capabilities to win and doesn't, the Arteta sheep will roll out the excuses.

 

[Amjid Javed]

The most important thing in sport is competing, winning or losing is actually irrelevant.

 

[IMMY69]

You know what I'm saying is right?

 

[Amjid Javed]

You know what I'm saying is right?

No - but we've had this conversation 1000 times before in regards to poor mindset.

If you think clubs like Liverpool, Man city, Bayern, Real, Barca are just happy competing then your living with head in sand

 

[KingKhanWC]

PSG are just there two full backs

Arsenal beating this side will give them all the confidence

Villa ran them all the way

Imo PSG are the strongest team in Europe at this moment. They have a strong midfield, along with serious pace and skill in the attacking department. If you watch their matches, they also move the ball around very well, based on the Barcelona teams of the past due to their managers style.

It doesnt mean Arsenal cant win over two legs, they can and being at home first leg is a good advantage for them to take a lead to Paris, putting PSG under pressure. Anything but a lead , it will be difficult for Arsenal imo. But should be a cracking semi final.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Imo PSG are the strongest team in Europe at this moment. They have a strong midfield, along with serious pace and skill in the attacking department. If you watch their matches, they also move the ball around very well, based on the Barcelona teams of the past due to their managers style.

It doesnt mean Arsenal cant win over two legs, they can and being at home first leg is a good advantage for them to take a lead to Paris, putting PSG under pressure. Anything but a lead , it will be difficult for Arsenal imo. But should be a cracking semi final.

Neves Mendez barkola etc.

I Agree. They alot of quality.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Imo PSG are the strongest team in Europe at this moment. They have a strong midfield, along with serious pace and skill in the attacking department. If you watch their matches, they also move the ball around very well, based on the Barcelona teams of the past due to their managers style.

It doesnt mean Arsenal cant win over two legs, they can and being at home first leg is a good advantage for them to take a lead to Paris, putting PSG under pressure. Anything but a lead , it will be difficult for Arsenal imo. But should be a cracking semi final.

PSG strongest team in Europe?

Their defence is average at best. Even going forward they aren't the most clinical. They were awful in 1st half of the season, it's only when Kvaratskhelia joined that their front 3 looks better.

Both Barca and Inter have been better across the season. Just because PSG bear Liverpool, don't get carried away.

PSG are nowhere near the style of past Barcelona teams.

PSG keeper is the reason why they got past Liverpool and Villa.

If heard some wild claims in this thread, but PSG strongest team in Europe is hilarious

 

[Amjid Javed]

Neves Mendez barkola etc.

I Agree. They alot of quality.

Out of the 4 teams remaining PSG are the weakest defensively.

Yeah they have a world class keeper.

But at this stage of CL, you have 4 teams who are all good going forward and good midfield. PSG defence sticks out like a sore thumb.

So this notion they are best team in Europe at moment is hilarious.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Out of the 4 teams remaining PSG are the weakest defensively.

Yeah they have a world class keeper.

But at this stage of CL, you have 4 teams who are all good going forward and good midfield. PSG defence sticks out like a sore thumb.

So this notion they are best team in Europe at moment is hilarious.

I said they have alot of quality. Arsenal attack bar Sakah is ordinary to be honest. And that's exactly what you've been banging about all season?

 

[IMMY69]

No - but we've had this conversation 1000 times before in regards to poor mindset.

If you think clubs like Liverpool, Man city, Bayern, Real, Barca are just happy competing then your living with head in sand

Blimey

 

[Amjid Javed]

I said they have alot of quality. Arsenal attack bar Sakah is ordinary to be honest. And that's exactly what you've been banging about all season?

Both of you are harping on that PSG are best side in Europe right now? Based on what?

It's clearly not football based? You both smoking the same stuff?

As far as Arsenal go in the PL they attackers have been poor, that's why they haven't been in a title challenge.

That was also a worry in the CL, but to be fair to Arsenal other then when they played two low block teams in inter and Atlanta. Arsenal have been pretty clinical in open games, where teams come out and attack.

PSG aren't going to come and park the bus at the Emirates, its not their style nor do they have the defense good enough to play that way.

I've said all season Arsenal don't have ab answer to low blocks, but that won't be any issue here as it will be essential a shoot out between PSG

PSG on paper have the better attack but but are wasteful in front of goal

Arsenal may have Lees quality in front 3, but they have shown if everything clicks they can hammer a side.

There's no in-between medium with Arsenal currently, they are either impotent in games or score a huge number of goals.

Personally out of all the teams left Inter Milan would have been Arsenal worse nightmare over 2 games, as they are Newcastle United on steroids.

Also not sure how you both came to conclusion that PSG are better than Barca or inter?

 

[Iqbal'sh]

It's nothing to do with perspective. If you thing progress with zero trophies or titles to show for it at a big club is success then your only fooling urself.

Actually you are completely wrong on this, how I look at this is entirely dependent on my stance; what is acceptable to me as an individual. Not sure you can speak for me or indeed any other Arsenal fan.
Again defining success as black and white maybe okay to you but I can safely say it doesn’t make me or anyone else that considers more options, possibilities and shades a fool.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Both of you are harping on that PSG are best side in Europe right now? Based on what?

It's clearly not football based? You both smoking the same stuff?

As far as Arsenal go in the PL they attackers have been poor, that's why they haven't been in a title challenge.

That was also a worry in the CL, but to be fair to Arsenal other then when they played two low block teams in inter and Atlanta. Arsenal have been pretty clinical in open games, where teams come out and attack.

PSG aren't going to come and park the bus at the Emirates, its not their style nor do they have the defense good enough to play that way.

I've said all season Arsenal don't have ab answer to low blocks, but that won't be any issue here as it will be essential a shoot out between PSG

PSG on paper have the better attack but but are wasteful in front of goal

Arsenal may have Lees quality in front 3, but they have shown if everything clicks they can hammer a side.

There's no in-between medium with Arsenal currently, they are either impotent in games or score a huge number of goals.

Personally out of all the teams left Inter Milan would have been Arsenal worse nightmare over 2 games, as they are Newcastle United on steroids.

Also not sure how you both came to conclusion that PSG are better than Barca or inter?

Where have I said PSG are the best side in Europe.

I said, they have alot of quality. Barcelona for me are the best in Europe on current form.

Honestly, whataboutery seems to be your speciality, Uncle Amjid

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Oh here we go the usual Arteta inherited a mess nonsense.

Emery got to a europa league final and just missed out on top 4 by a point. Even in wengers so called poor years he won FA Cups. Yeah all Arteta fan boys want to act as though Areta took Arsenal from league back to PL.

Arsensl have done nothing but fail in last years since winning FA cup. Yet your acting like its some sort of historical achievement.

Eddie howe, Emery (villa) and Nuno (forest) have taken over clubs in worst situations then Arsenal and turn those clubs around. But so called rebuild and progress at Arsenal is some sort of amazing achievement.

Reality is last season and this season Arsenal had a team capable of winning title and haven't. But instead hiding behind the progress nonsense is best justification for failure.

Kronkes happy making money
Most of fan base happy with progress

No wonder the club has fallen short.

When your happy just to compete, your never going to win over a sustained period of time.

It makes me laugh how many people back this process iand say this manager will do this that and other.

Yet now that the team has capabilities to win and doesn't, the Arteta sheep will roll out the excuses.

Emery was not strong enough to stand up to the big characters in the dressing room at the time. Remember the same thing happened with him at PSG.
However he seems a genuinely decent guy so I am happy he’s found a smaller club where he can excel in his role.
Arteta was indeed ruthless at the start of his career to get the movement going back in the right direction.
You not admitting it doesn’t mean it never happened.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Both of you are harping on that PSG are best side in Europe right now? Based on what?

It's clearly not football based? You both smoking the same stuff?

As far as Arsenal go in the PL they attackers have been poor, that's why they haven't been in a title challenge.

That was also a worry in the CL, but to be fair to Arsenal other then when they played two low block teams in inter and Atlanta. Arsenal have been pretty clinical in open games, where teams come out and attack.

PSG aren't going to come and park the bus at the Emirates, its not their style nor do they have the defense good enough to play that way.

I've said all season Arsenal don't have ab answer to low blocks, but that won't be any issue here as it will be essential a shoot out between PSG

PSG on paper have the better attack but but are wasteful in front of goal

Arsenal may have Lees quality in front 3, but they have shown if everything clicks they can hammer a side.

There's no in-between medium with Arsenal currently, they are either impotent in games or score a huge number of goals.

Personally out of all the teams left Inter Milan would have been Arsenal worse nightmare over 2 games, as they are Newcastle United on steroids.

Also not sure how you both came to conclusion that PSG are better than Barca or inter?

Also, I do agree with your point where inter would be a tougher challenge than PSG, when you think low block teams are a Achilles heel for you Gooners.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Also, I do agree with your point where inter would be a tougher challenge than PSG, when you think low block teams are an Achilles heel for you Gooners.

The league game between us was very tight, with only a harsh penalty call deciding the outcome.
I’m not convinced Inter can hurt us on the counter as a Newcastle did with Isak for example.

 

[MK7Z]

PSG strongest team in Europe?

Their defence is average at best. Even going forward they aren't the most clinical. They were awful in 1st half of the season, it's only when Kvaratskhelia joined that their front 3 looks better.

Both Barca and Inter have been better across the season. Just because PSG bear Liverpool, don't get carried away.

PSG are nowhere near the style of past Barcelona teams.

PSG keeper is the reason why they got past Liverpool and Villa.

If heard some wild claims in this thread, but PSG strongest team in Europe is hilarious

Thank you for calling this out.

I'm trying to behave and not question people's odd takes.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Emery was not strong enough to stand up to the big characters in the dressing room at the time. Remember the same thing happened with him at PSG.
However he seems a genuinely decent guy so I am happy he’s found a smaller club where he can excel in his role.
Arteta was indeed ruthless at the start of his career to get the movement going back in the right direction.
You not admitting it doesn’t mean it never happened.

Arteta ruthless? he went into the dressing room and no one had respect for him. Essentially the removal of Auba, was a way of Arteta getting the group of players to show him respect, it was nothing more then a power play move.
It's clearly obvious Arteta can manage players with ego or star players. It's the reason why most of players are timid with no backbone. Prime example of that is the club captain.

Being ruthless is when you make decisions all the time which I'd best interests of the team. Yet there are numerous examples of players like Zinchenko, Jesus, havertz been backed at various stages which was determental to the team. So this so called Ruthless is vast exegetated.

If you look at main reasons Arsenal didn't get a striker last summer or in January, it was pretty much down to Arteta only wanting a back up for havertz. Where's the so called ruthlessness their?

Arteta might have been so called ruthless with Auba and ramsdale, but there are plenty of examples where he hasn't.

The Emery can't handle big players, yet Arteta has veered away from signing players with big personalities. So wherea the proof Arteta can handle big players with egos? Their isnt

 

[Amjid Javed]

Where have I said PSG are the best side in Europe.

I said, they have alot of quality. Barcelona for me are the best in Europe on current form.

Honestly, whataboutery seems to be your speciality, Uncle Amjid

KK said PSG were best side in Europe and you replied to him saying you Agree

 

[Amjid Javed]

Thank you for calling this out.

I'm trying to behave and not question people's odd takes.

I'm happy calling out everyone's odd takes.

Seems we have 4 posters currently trying to out do each other in that regard currently

 

[Amjid Javed]

Also, I do agree with your point where inter would be a tougher challenge than PSG, when you think low block teams are a Achilles heel for you Gooners.

Arsenal have an Achillies heel vs low blocks because most of time when teams set up that, Arsenals slow build up play doesn't help. You also then need KDB or Bergkamp type player to unlock the block which Arsenal don't have. Also in games of limited chances, Arsenal aren't clinical enough. Also over reliance of playing down right hand side has been easily countered by low block teams.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

The league game between us was very tight, with only a harsh penalty call deciding the outcome.
I’m not convinced Inter can hurt us on the counter as a Newcastle did with Isak for example.

Inter have alot of Quality. They've been consistent for a few years, and were very unlucky not to beat City in the final few years back.

The Game against Arsenal was tight, and that was when Arsensal had their full allotment of players available to them, but Arsenal do struggle to beat teams that are well organized and hard to beat with some really ordinary performances in the PL against teams of that mentality.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

KK said PSG were best side in Europe and you replied to him saying you Agree

With the Quality of their players i meant.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I've just got around to watching the 2nd leg highlights

What a fantastic pair of assists from Merino, what a guy

 

[Amjid Javed]

The league game between us was very tight, with only a harsh penalty call deciding the outcome.
I’m not convinced Inter can hurt us on the counter as a Newcastle did with Isak for example.

Inter didn't even have to get out of 1st gear for the group game. They also rested numerous players for that game as they had an important league game vs Napoli at the weekend after thar Arsenal game.

Arsenal created next to nothing In that game.

In Barella and Çalhanoğlu they have two very good ball playing midfielders. Lauturo Martinez is has 8 goals in CL this season, so anyone think Inter can't score goals or hurt anyone .

Inter also showed vs Bayern, that they have players who are clinical in big games.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Arteta ruthless? he went into the dressing room and no one had respect for him. Essentially the removal of Auba, was a way of Arteta getting the group of players to show him respect, it was nothing more then a power play move.

Do you actually think before posting?
You just offered a textbook example of ruthlessness to prove Arteta was not ruthless
I’m not sure I am ready to waste any further time on such discussions.

 

[Amjid Javed]

With the Quality of their players i meant.

If you look at PSG vs Arsenal

Managers - Enrique is more proven
GK - donurumma is WC, that's not to say Raya isn't a good keeper
Defensively - Arsenal are better
Midfield - collectively as a unit depends what you like, both Midfields serve a good purpose for their teams
Attack - on current availability of players, PSG look better. However PSG are wasteful in front of goal, Arsenal have scored loads of goals in open games

So it's a 50:50 tie

 

[Iqbal'sh]

but Arsenal do struggle to beat teams that are well organized and hard to beat

If you’re hard to beat then the opponent is going to struggle to beat you
Thanks

 

[Amjid Javed]

Do you actually think before posting?
You just offered a textbook example of ruthlessness to prove Arteta was not ruthless
I’m not sure I am ready to waste any further time on imbecilic discussions.

You harped on about Ruthlessness and I gave you examples of where Arteta has and hadn't been ruthless. So essentially your point on Arteta being ruthless holds no substance, as reality is he's not ruthless all the time. He doesn't when it's suitable to him.

The whole basis of being ruthless is that you do it all the time and it's to help the club or teams needs.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

If you’re hard to beat then the opponent is going to struggle to beat you
Thanks

Im going off what I've seen this season in the Premier League. Evidence is there.
Hence scousers have ran away with the title.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Im going off what I've seen this season in the Premier League. Evidence is there.
Hence scousers have ran away with the title.

Exactly, liverpools 9 point lead they had over Arsenal from game week 11 onwards was pretty much due to Arsenal looking clueless against teams with low blocks. Also the manager not being able to resolve that using squad he had.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

You harped on about Ruthlessness and I gave you examples of where Arteta has and hadn't been ruthless. So essentially your point on Arteta being ruthless holds no substance, as reality is he's not ruthless all the time. He doesn't when it's suitable to him.

The whole basis of being ruthless is that you do it all the time and it's to help the club or teams needs.

Disagree, if an individual has a certain trait they have it for perpetuity.
So if Arteta showed he could be ruthless he has it within him. Therefore the discussion ends.
Where and when he chooses to use this trait is a different matter altogether.
Hopefully you can comprehend this.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Im going off what I've seen this season in the Premier League. Evidence is there.
Hence scousers have ran away with the title.

I just highlighted the obviousness of your post.
I do agree Arsenal have struggled at times with teams that defend deep.
However it’s not just an issue confined to them nor is it a case that they have not beaten teams that have used that same tactic.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Disagree, if an individual has a certain trait they have it for perpetuity.
So if Arteta showed he could be ruthless he has it within him. Therefore the discussion ends.
Where and when he chooses to use this trait is a different matter altogether.
Hopefully you can comprehend this.

All Arteta did was what suited his agenda at the time.

In regards to the whole Auba incident there was a heated argument and Auba slapped Arteta. So there was no going back after that incident.

Arteta got rid of ramsdale as is suited what he wanted. Just like his blind faith in Zinchenko, Jesus and havertz showed him not being ruthless.

Doing some thing on very rare occasion doesn't make sumone ruthless.

Sir Alex was prime example of a ruthless manager the way he got rid of Robson, Ince, Keane. RVN to name a few...

So all uve done is overexaggerate as usual, which is a running theme with most of your posts

 

[MK7Z]

If you’re hard to beat then the opponent is going to struggle to beat you
Thanks

I think I know where you are coming from.

Arsenal are hard to beat. We haven't lost the league because of lots of defeats. It's the draws that have really killed us.

UCL is different as most big teams go for the wins as that's how they play in the domestic leagues.

Inter and Atletico being the main exceptions who are like Arsenal very difficult to beat.

I think PSG pose a good challenge as both teams are strong. I think we can beat them.

Will be a cracking semi final.

Inter in the group stage and over 2 legs I would have made them favourites against us. Just because they'd be patient and kill us when they had the chance much like Newcastle seem to do . In a one of final game however I think you can only sit back for so long.

Barca are the favourites in my opinion however you never know with one off games.

I actually think it's a great final 4. Barring PSG the other 3 teams were high up in the league phase to. So it's not by chance they've got so far.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

I just highlighted the obviousness of your post.
I do agree Arsenal have struggled at times with teams that defend deep.
However it’s not just an issue confined to them nor is it a case that they have not beaten teams that have used that same tactic.

Yep. But Arsenal need to rectify this going forward, and need to banish the one trick pony approach.

And if Arsenal fail to win the champions league, it's time Arteta moves on, and Try luring Inzahgi from inter. Who would be a step up from Arteta.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I think I know where you are coming from.

Arsenal are hard to beat. We haven't lost the league because of lots of defeats. It's the draws that have really killed us.

UCL is different as most big teams go for the wins as that's how they play in the domestic leagues.

Inter and Atletico being the main exceptions who are like Arsenal very difficult to beat.

I think PSG pose a good challenge as both teams are strong. I think we can beat them.

Will be a cracking semi final.

Inter in the group stage and over 2 legs I would have made them favourites against us. Just because they'd be patient and kill us when they had the chance much like Newcastle seem to do . In a one of final game however I think you can only sit back for so long.

Barca are the favourites in my opinion however you never know with one off games.

I actually think it's a great final 4. Barring PSG the other 3 teams were high up in the league phase to. So it's not by chance they've got so far.

Making urself hard to beat in the league, will only get you so far. Arsenal this season have played like Rafa benetiz Liverpool. Playing not to get beat and winning game is a bonus. That mode of play will end with you drawing a lot of Games.

Drama are fine if your wanting to make Top 4, it isn't in a title race which was non existent this season. If you look at most drawn games this season, how many did Arsenal gamble in? Or risk losing to win the game? Not many.

Cup football is indeed different, most teams will come out and play, which helps Arsenal massively.

Being pragmatic in cups will only get you so far. Ultimately if you choose to play that way you need a gun man to get you goals. So whilst inter play in that fashion they know they can hurt teams.

Arsenal main disadvantage now compared to the other 3 teams is, the other 3 teams have proven managers who gave won titles in recent times.

Interms of who has the advantage? PSG have continually fallen short in Europe. 4 semi finals in 6 season I think it is, they haven't won it. Inter have got to a final.

For Barca who are on for a cleansweep they have been poor in CL in recent years and haven't won it for 10 years.

So picking a favourite is difficult as each team has its merits of why it could be favourites. Small margins will decide both semi finals.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Yep. But Arsenal need to rectify this going forward, and need to banish the one trick pony approach.

And if Arsenal fail to win the champions league, it's time Arteta moves on, and Try luring Inzahgi from inter. Who would be a step up from Arteta.

Inzaghi, Flick, Enrique funnily enough are all names mentioned in past as possible Arsenal managers.

Names that most of fan base said wudnt be good enough

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal have played PSG in a European semi final before, those of us old enough should remember when we beat them in the CWC. A PSG team containing Ginola and George weah. So hopefully Arsenal will repeat that feat again.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Inzaghi, Flick, Enrique funnily enough are all names mentioned in past as possible Arsenal managers.

Names that most of fan base said wudnt be good enough

All top Managers and proven winners. Same cant be said of Arteta at the moment.

 

[KingKhanWC]

PSG strongest team in Europe?

Their defence is average at best. Even going forward they aren't the most clinical. They were awful in 1st half of the season, it's only when Kvaratskhelia joined that their front 3 looks better.

Both Barca and Inter have been better across the season. Just because PSG bear Liverpool, don't get carried away.

PSG are nowhere near the style of past Barcelona teams.

PSG keeper is the reason why they got past Liverpool and Villa.

If heard some wild claims in this thread, but PSG strongest team in Europe is hilarious

Thanks for this post. I stated arsenal can still win but from your response , the semi final is In the bag . Let's discuss further after the first leg ...

 

[Amjid Javed]

Thanks for this post. I stated arsenal can still win but from your response , the semi final is In the bag . Let's discuss further after the first leg ...

Oh here we go uve got into that mode of making things up as usual.

Where did I state in my response its in the bag for Arsenal? I didnt

Also I see you failed to justify on your claims that "PSG are best side in europe" - bases on what?