Arsenal FC | 2024/25 Season

[IMMY69]

Well this was an interested catch up on this thread.

If you didn't want any opposition to drop points against a team you are going head to head with for a prize then you have unreal expectations that your team will win every game every single time. That's not how a league works.

I dont see it as supporting Spurs to win - I see it as wanting Man City in this case dropping points against whoever they'd play. Whether its Spurs United or Southampton. That does not make you a supporter of that team.

If somebody asked me chose Spurs get 3 points and Arsenal win the league
or Spurs lose and Arsenal Dont win the league.

I know which option I would choose every single time.

You should haven't taken your own advice and steered clear of this thread, at least until the CL semi's

 

[MK7Z]

You should haven't taken your own advice and steered clear of this thread, at least until the CL semi's

Its all good. Going to be a long week I reckon

 

[Amjid Javed]

Well this was an interested catch up on this thread.

If you didn't want any opposition to drop points against a team you are going head to head with for a prize then you have unreal expectations that your team will win every game every single time. That's not how a league works.

I dont see it as supporting Spurs to win - I see it as wanting Man City in this case dropping points against whoever they'd play. Whether its Spurs United or Southampton. That does not make you a supporter of that team.

If somebody asked me chose Spurs get 3 points and Arsenal win the league
or Spurs lose and Arsenal Dont win the league.

I know which option I would choose every single time.

The league was done as soon Liverpool and Arsenal both dropped points on Same weekend.

City only ever give you 1 chance in a title run. Both teams had it in their hands and threw initiative away.

Some people would have actively watched remaining games with hope that City would drop points.

Otherwise would have seen it as its over, not point watching man city games knowing that your only setting urself up for disappointment.

A team which had proven they could win a large stretch of games at back end of a title race again and again.

I said all along last season that any team wanting to beat City would need a huge lead going into last 9 games.

Depends on reality a fan has to the situation in place.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Whether the players were so called up for last night's game or not. The domestic season has been nothing short of Abysmal.

Losing an FA cup game vs worse united team in over 40 years

The 2 legged semi final league cup vs Newcastle wasn't even competitive, 4-0 loss.

A non-existent title race where the damage was done in the 1st 16 games of the season.

5 years into a procress, project whatever you want to call it. You would be expecting a side to at least be able to compete on all fronts and it simply isn't capable of doing so.

Even with a lot of people wanting to cry about injuries etc.. just look at the squad and espcially the bench when it's littered with players who were never going go play or aren't good enough.

With all players that are likely to leave etc

Arsenal are going to probably have the below squad (excluding any new signings)

Raya

Timber, white, saliba, Gabriel, calafori, LMS

Rice, oddegard, Merino, havertz

Nwaneri, Saka, Martinelli

Thats 13 Players, including injury prone defenders.

Partey and Trossard? Are they staying? Even with them you have 15 players.

Tomiyasu, kiwor, sterling, Neto, jorghino, Tierney are all likely to go. In case of Tomiyasu he should be binned off.

Questions over trossard and Martinelli if they are good enough to start. Havertz and Merino as "midfielders" have shown they aren't to the level of a title winning team.

the squads look at the reality of rebuild, then the question Is will if show it can compete on all fronts?

Keep hearing how a left winger and striker and this squads complete

 

[Amjid Javed]

My point is Arsenals collective failure is blamed on Odegaard from your part. It Was Havertz, since he's injured , that bandwagon has no wheels, so it's all on Odegaard now.

Fact is. Arsenal have failed in the title charge because it's a COLLECTIVE FAILURE.

Seems like Liverpool think that Oddegard is good and they are looking to sign him up

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Seems like Liverpool think that Oddegard is good and they are looking to sign him up

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If You Gooners dont rate him, then I'm sure he will attract alot of buyers. If he's available, I'd have him at Utd in a flash as the number 8. Eriksen, Casimero need shifting on, and by the looks of it, Omirin is not a fan of Mainoo either.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Whether the players were so called up for last night's game or not. The domestic season has been nothing short of Abysmal.

Losing an FA cup game vs worse united team in over 40 years

The 2 legged semi final league cup vs Newcastle wasn't even competitive, 4-0 loss.

A non-existent title race where the damage was done in the 1st 16 games of the season.

5 years into a procress, project whatever you want to call it. You would be expecting a side to at least be able to compete on all fronts and it simply isn't capable of doing so.

Even with a lot of people wanting to cry about injuries etc.. just look at the squad and espcially the bench when it's littered with players who were never going go play or aren't good enough.

With all players that are likely to leave etc

Arsenal are going to probably have the below squad (excluding any new signings)

Raya

Timber, white, saliba, Gabriel, calafori, LMS

Rice, oddegard, Merino, havertz

Nwaneri, Saka, Martinelli

Thats 13 Players, including injury prone defenders.

Partey and Trossard? Are they staying? Even with them you have 15 players.

Tomiyasu, kiwor, sterling, Neto, jorghino, Tierney are all likely to go. In case of Tomiyasu he should be binned off.

Questions over trossard and Martinelli if they are good enough to start. Havertz and Merino as "midfielders" have shown they aren't to the level of a title winning team.

the squads look at the reality of rebuild, then the question Is will if show it can compete on all fronts?

Keep hearing how a left winger and striker and this squads complete

Very Good points. This goes back to the point, Arteta himself lacks clarity. A manager has to build a squad which has to have a certain profile for his vision for the Team and the club.

There's talk in Italy, inzaghi will move on from the Inter post after this season, he would be perfect for you Gooners

 

[MK7Z]

Seems like Liverpool think that Oddegard is good and they are looking to sign him up

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Who needs rivals when our own fans mock the team at every opportunity.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If You Gooners dont rate him, then I'm sure he will attract alot of buyers. If he's available, I'd have him at Utd in a flash as the number 8. Eriksen, Casimero need shifting on, and by the looks of it, Omirin is not a fan of Mainoo either.

Please take him, also take havertz who would be an upgrade on the rubbish strikers you have.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Very Good points. This goes back to the point, Arteta himself lacks clarity. A manager has to build a squad which has to have a certain profile for his vision for the Team and the club.

There's talk in Italy, inzaghi will move on from the Inter post after this season, he would be perfect for you Gooners

Inzaghi, Luis Enrique, flick were all mentioned in past as possible manger options in past. But this fan base always come up with excuses why they wouldn't be ideal.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Who needs rivals when our own fans mock the team at every opportunity.

The team deserves the humiliation of having to give Liverpool a guard of honour, hopefully will teach them that they need to improve to win such trophies

 

[MK7Z]

The team deserves the humiliation of having to give Liverpool a guard of honour, hopefully will teach them that they need to improve to win such trophies

It's not humiliation it's sportsmanship.

It would be humiliating if they decided they weren't going to do it.

If you believe a guard of honour which is in your words humiliating will teach them to improve, forget signing players. Get them doing a world tour during the off season giving guards of honour to all the various league winners across the globe.

That'll do it...

 

[aboveandbeyond]

It's not humiliation it's sportsmanship.

It would be humiliating if they decided they weren't going to do it.

If you believe a guard of honour which is in your words humiliating will teach them to improve, forget signing players. Get them doing a world tour during the off season giving guards of honour to all the various league winners across the globe.

That'll do it...

I can see where @Amjid Javed is coming from. Gooners may never get a better chance again than the one they had this season.

A declining and spent city side
A supposedly transitional Liverpool side
A UTD side in turmoil
Chelsea a banter club

If I was a Gooner I would be livid with this epic failure.

 

[Amjid Javed]

It's not humiliation it's sportsmanship.

It would be humiliating if they decided they weren't going to do it.

If you believe a guard of honour which is in your words humiliating will teach them to improve, forget signing players. Get them doing a world tour during the off season giving guards of honour to all the various league winners across the globe.

That'll do it...

It's not humiliation it's sportsmanship.

It would be humiliating if they decided they weren't going to do it.

If you believe a guard of honour which is in your words humiliating will teach them to improve, forget signing players. Get them doing a world tour during the off season giving guards of honour to all the various league winners across the globe.

That'll do it...

It is humiliation for Arsenal, they wanted to win the league and failed. Not even in a title race, so it's fitting that they more than likely will have to give a guard of honour to the champions.

Everyone single player, the manager, coaching staff and even owners should be thinking at the point of the game, we shouldn't be having to do this, we should have been coming here as a possible title decider. That's my point I'm alluding to.

So yeah the experience should either teach them to improve or they can collectively continue to fall short in the league.

 

[MK7Z]

I can see where @Amjid Javed is coming from. Gooners may never get a better chance again than the one they had this season.

A declining and spent city side
A supposedly transitional Liverpool side
A UTD side in turmoil
Chelsea a banter club

If I was a Gooner I would be livid with this epic failure.

My point was only regarding the guard of honour.

The seasons hinges on UCL where they have an opportunity to create a legacy. Trust me if we win UCL I wouldn't care about the disastrous PL campaign in the grand scheme of things.

We finish empty handed then that's a discussion for another day. I've made my thoughts clear plenty a time on this thread.

At this moment in time I'm looking forward to the Champions League so I'm not going to bash the team just yet as we have a chance at Major glory and I'll support my team through the next couple of games and hopefully the final to.

 

[Amjid Javed]

My point was only regarding the guard of honour.

The seasons hinges on UCL where they have an opportunity to create a legacy. Trust me if we win UCL I wouldn't care about the disastrous PL campaign in the grand scheme of things.

We finish empty handed then that's a discussion for another day. I've made my thoughts clear plenty a time on this thread.

At this moment in time I'm looking forward to the Champions League so I'm not going to bash the team just yet as we have a chance at Major glory and I'll support my team through the next couple of games and hopefully the final to.

Yeah the CL now would be legacy and salvage at moment a poor season.

2 or even 3 games define a lot for this team and manager now.

 

[IMMY69]

I can see where @Amjid Javed is coming from. Gooners may never get a better chance again than the one they had this season.

A declining and spent city side
A supposedly transitional Liverpool side
A UTD side in turmoil
Chelsea a banter club

If I was a Gooner I would be livid with this epic failure.

On the other hand we are in the semi of the CL, have a very young side that has yet to peak and we can get stronger from here if we buy a few more good players...

 

[Amjid Javed]

On the other hand we are in the semi of the CL, have a very young side that has yet to peak and we can get stronger from here if we buy a few more good players...

Oh here it is the newest set of excuses...

"A very young squad"

Squad age isn't much different to mist teams in the PL. Some posters should think before they roll out these nonsense excuses



If we buy a striker...

If we buy a few more good players..

5 years into a "project" where the teams likely to have some what of a squad rebuild in summer. But it's not hit its peak

 

[Amjid Javed]

On the other hand we are in the semi of the CL, have a very young side that has yet to peak and we can get stronger from here if we buy a few more good players...

Arsenal got to a CL semi in 08/09 with a younger squad.

Stop acting like this is something that hasn't been seen before

 

[KingKhanWC]

I can see where @Amjid Javed is coming from. Gooners may never get a better chance again than the one they had this season.

A declining and spent city side
A supposedly transitional Liverpool side
A UTD side in turmoil
Chelsea a banter club

If I was a Gooner I would be livid with this epic failure.

Inexperienced slightly arrogant manager is the underlying reason imo . AJ has been right about this for years . 13 draws this season with games to go is the most draws of any club . Spent 700m + with no real striker, no squad depth, winning the league with this squad was never going to happen but arteta and fans like mamoom thought it has to happen.

If arteta doesn't lift the champions league he will have another trophyless season. Arsenal is a huge club and a great club, this wouldn't be acceptable in any other such huge club .

 

[Amjid Javed]

Inexperienced slightly arrogant manager is the underlying reason imo . AJ has been right about this for years . 13 draws this season with games to go is the most draws of any club . Spent 700m + with no real striker, no squad depth, winning the league with this squad was never going to happen but arteta and fans like mamoom thought it has to happen.

If arteta doesn't lift the champions league he will have another trophyless season. Arsenal is a huge club and a great club, this wouldn't be acceptable in any other such huge club .

Reality is in current times you need 90 points to win a PL title pretty much.

Which equates means if you drop points in games it's 9 or 10 games max.

On top of that of that you can't be dropping points in 3 or 4 consecutive games if you want to win a title.

22/23 - 3 draws vs liverpool, West ham, Southampton, lost to Man city. 3 points from 12.

23/24 - lost to villa, beat Luton, drew with Liverpool, lost to west ham, lost to Fulham. 4 points from 15

24/25 -- lost to Bournemouth, drew vs liverpool, lost to Newcastle, drew vs Chelsea. 2 points from 12

All 3 cases simply unacceptable and when your throwing away so many points your either losing a huge points gap you had, or essentially falling behind the other title challengers.

The manager and players, simply don't find solutions quick enough and it's fatal.

It's the equivalent of watching a boxing match and the first 6 rounds are even, then you have 2 or 3 poor rounds and your then playing catch up and ultimately your going to fall short.

So all the excuses

Injuries
Refs
Man city have more money
Liverpool fluked it
It's a very young team
Team has peaked
We just need a striker

Any other lame backwas the losers in this fan base come up, reality is Arsenal failings is on manager and players

 

[KingKhanWC]

Reality is in current times you need 90 points to win a PL title pretty much.

Which equates means if you drop points in games it's 9 or 10 games max.

On top of that of that you can't be dropping points in 3 or 4 consecutive games if you want to win a title.

22/23 - 3 draws vs liverpool, West ham, Southampton, lost to Man city. 3 points from 12.

23/24 - lost to villa, beat Luton, drew with Liverpool, lost to west ham, lost to Fulham. 4 points from 15

24/25 -- lost to Bournemouth, drew vs liverpool, lost to Newcastle, drew vs Chelsea. 2 points from 12

All 3 cases simply unacceptable and when your throwing away so many points your either losing a huge points gap you had, or essentially falling behind the other title challengers.

The manager and players, simply don't find solutions quick enough and it's fatal.

It's the equivalent of watching a boxing match and the first 6 rounds are even, then you have 2 or 3 poor rounds and your then playing catch up and ultimately your going to fall short.

So all the excuses

Injuries
Refs
Man city have more money
Liverpool fluked it
It's a very young team
Team has peaked
We just need a striker

Any other lame backwas the losers in this fan base come up, reality is Arsenal failings is on manager and players

Tbf some arsenal fans on social media give the general fanbase a poor reputation for excuses.

In terms of artetas actual tactics on the pitch , I've noticed the pressing even at home has almost disappeared? Palace allowed to play out from the back with arsenal having 10 men in their own half. This allows the opposition to settle , keep possession. Have you noticed this and Is it a general tactic of less pressing or due to lack of players up front ?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Tbf some arsenal fans on social media give the general fanbase a poor reputation for excuses.

In terms of artetas actual tactics on the pitch , I've noticed the pressing even at home has almost disappeared? Palace allowed to play out from the back with arsenal having 10 men in their own half. This allows the opposition to settle , keep possession. Have you noticed this and Is it a general tactic of less pressing or due to lack of players up front ?

After the 1st title challenge failed and the Zinchenko inverting into midfield creating an extra man, started to be combated by teams. Arteta then started to change tactics to become more defensive, in reality concededing less goals makes you harder to beat (so that tweak in tactics was fair enough), at the same time once xhaka left who was good at progressing the ball quickly in that one good season he had. He's replaced him with havetz and now merino who's passing is average at best, nowhere near the level need for players who will come up against low or mid range block teams.

You also have the Arsenal striker dropping deep and one full back inverting so you have 5 men in midfield, you essentially have control of ball most of game, but then onus in such a system is for your two wingers and one midfielder to score all the goals. All this "control" has just killed off a lot of creativity, in a team where other than saka players aren't clinical enough in games where chance creation is low. This is where you end up drawing games.

So if we bring in a isak, goekeres etc.. these guys won't be effective if you asking them to drop into midfield like a false number 9. You want space in behind so these guys are in the box.

So Arsenal will have to change tacctics so they can get best out of a top number 9. That means one less player dropping into midfield, so called less "control" on overloading midfield, also means Arsenal would need more creativity, oddegard has been abysmal. Neither havertz or merino are at the level to be playing as a 2nd number 8 or a advanced number 10. In a team which will have to move the ball quicker to get space for a number 9 to enjoy.

So will see if Arsenal actually tactical evolve in right way next season

 

[IMMY69]

Inexperienced slightly arrogant manager is the underlying reason imo . AJ has been right about this for years . 13 draws this season with games to go is the most draws of any club . Spent 700m + with no real striker, no squad depth, winning the league with this squad was never going to happen but arteta and fans like mamoom thought it has to happen.

If arteta doesn't lift the champions league he will have another trophyless season. Arsenal is a huge club and a great club, this wouldn't be acceptable in any other such huge club .

if Arteta hangs around and isn't sacked then he will bring success to the club, of this I have no doubt.
whether he stays, goes or is sacked, only time will tell... meanwhile I'm going to enjoy each victory and feel the pain of any loss...

 

[aboveandbeyond]

if Arteta hangs around and isn't sacked then he will bring success to the club, of this I have no doubt.
whether he stays, goes or is sacked, only time will tell... meanwhile I'm going to enjoy each victory and feel the pain of any loss...

On what basis does he deserve to hang around IF he doesn't win the Champions league. Like it's been mentioned.

700 million spent for 1 solitary FA cup in 6 years.

Majority of his signing are the wrong profile for the Gooners.

He is Tactically inept.

Or are you a happy go chappy Gooner who sees this as success and anything positive is a bonus.

 

[IMMY69]

On what basis does he deserve to hang around IF he doesn't win the Champions league. Like it's been mentioned.

700 million spent for 1 solitary FA cup in 6 years.

Majority of his signing are the wrong profile for the Gooners.

He is Tactically inept.

Or are you a happy go chappy Gooner who sees this as success and anything positive is a bonus.

I have already explained why in earlier posts... I'll just be repeating myself..

 

[KingKhanWC]

if Arteta hangs around and isn't sacked then he will bring success to the club, of this I have no doubt.
whether he stays, goes or is sacked, only time will tell... meanwhile I'm going to enjoy each victory and feel the pain of any loss...

hes still learning so if he adjusts his tactics , buys better no doubt arsenal will be successful but how much only time will tell.

PSG in a few days , semi of champions league is huge, all fans should be excited and enjoy the two legs. Final will be huge, its not the worst time to be an arsenal fan .

 

[aboveandbeyond]

hes still learning so if he adjusts his tactics , buys better no doubt arsenal will be successful but how much only time will tell.

PSG in a few days , semi of champions league is huge, all fans should be excited and enjoy the two legs. Final will be huge, its not the worst time to be an arsenal fan .

6 years is a eternity bro. If he's still learning and still tactically inept, then this is the Glaring problem. One then has to question, if after spending 700 million and some of his signings are very questionable, then surely trusting the guy with more money has no logic.

 

[KingKhanWC]

6 years is a eternity bro. If he's still learning and still tactically inept, then this is the Glaring problem. One then has to question, if after spending 700 million and some of his signings are very questionable, then surely trusting the guy with more money has no logic.

His first managerial experience. Should have ideally started at Everton but arsenal offered him a big job. Keep giving him time and money he will eventually win a big trophy but depends on how patient the fanbase is . One of the upcoming seasons he will finish out of top 3 , if by then not won anything, will be interesting to see. If you compare to Rubin at utd , finishes our of top 4 next season with no trophy hes gone .

 

[Amjid Javed]

On what basis does he deserve to hang around IF he doesn't win the Champions league. Like it's been mentioned.

700 million spent for 1 solitary FA cup in 6 years.

Majority of his signing are the wrong profile for the Gooners.

He is Tactically inept.

Or are you a happy go chappy Gooner who sees this as success and anything positive is a bonus.

He's happy just competing, like most of the losers in fan base. It's why the owners don't show ambition as they can see the lemmings are happy.

Same goes on the pitch, there is no desire to be a dominate team in this era.

 

[Amjid Javed]

His first managerial experience. Should have ideally started at Everton but arsenal offered him a big job. Keep giving him time and money he will eventually win a big trophy but depends on how patient the fanbase is . One of the upcoming seasons he will finish out of top 3 , if by then not won anything, will be interesting to see. If you compare to Rubin at utd , finishes our of top 4 next season with no trophy hes gone .

Kronke franchise teams are not their to win trophies, if they do its a bonus not a necessity. Most fans will act like the project is a success if it wins 1 trophy In 7 or 8 years.

These same fans then will open slate managers like klopp or others and call them under achievers.

There is no standards in most of the Arsenal fan base

 

[Amjid Javed]

If Arsenal want to upgrade the quality and attacking quality in midfield they should look at Eze again from Palace.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

If Arsenal want to upgrade the quality and attacking quality in midfield they should look at Eze again from Palace.

Good player. Mteta will attract slotnof attention also. Physically and Technically very good.

 

[MK7Z]

Good ebening ya'll