Arsenal FC | 2025/26 Season

[topspin]

Huge day and could end up being the moment it fully swung in Arsenal's favour

Fair play because it was looking precarious after the Wolves draw, since then it's 4 wins on the bounce combined with City dropping points back to back

After the draw to Wolves, I thought this was City’s to lose but looking back at it now, that result wasn’t ideal but not as bad as it seemed at the time. This Wolves team of late are performing well above relegation material.

 

[topspin]

Yeah not complaining

But it won’t be straightforward to get 5 wins in the last 7 games. I think they honestly need to inject some fresh legs especially in attack. This 16 year old kid is a good addition and he looks hungry

Generational talent. He’s like a 15 year old Tendulkar or Wasim Akram when he debuted for the Pakistan side as a 17 year old.

He has the highest ceiling of any Arsenal player I’ve seen.

 

[Amjid Javed]

After the draw to Wolves, I thought this was City’s to lose but looking back at it now, that result wasn’t ideal but not as bad as it seemed at the time. This Wolves team of late are performing well above relegation material.

The result was an awful one vs wolves, the reaction of the team after it to win game after game is essentially what was needed. At this point of season you can't drop points in clusters and we avoided that. We are still getting one good performance and 1 average performance a week from team. So things still have to improve, as if the average performances happen in Cups or europe, you can end up being knocked out of them. With points buffer we have we can get away with dropped points in league

 

[Amjid Javed]

Generational talent. He’s like a 15 year old Tendulkar or Wasim Akram when he debuted for the Pakistan side as a 17 year old.

He has the highest ceiling of any Arsenal player I’ve seen.

Has to managed properly in terms of game time, growth and opportunities. We've seen both ends of scale with exciting youngsters before in cesc and Wiltshire. One end up struggling with injuries, the other blossomed but didn't have right squad around him.

So Dowman physically has to be looked after in next few years, as that's where a lot of young talents fall away. Ability wise their are no issues.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Generational talent. He’s like a 15 year old Tendulkar or Wasim Akram when he debuted for the Pakistan side as a 17 year old.

He has the highest ceiling of any Arsenal player I’ve seen.

You do get carried away lol.

Few months back you labeled Delap as potential World Class.

Let the kid grow. Hes a talent. But its early days.

 

[MK7Z]

Yeah not complaining

But it won’t be straightforward to get 5 wins in the last 7 games. I think they honestly need to inject some fresh legs especially in attack. This 16 year old kid is a good addition and he looks hungry

They'll only need 5 wins if City win every game from now until the end..

Inshallah we gonna do it bro

Attack then needs to be re-assessed for next season but for this season do what you gotta do. It's working... We are the premier leagues top scorerers.

 

[MK7Z]

You do get carried away lol.

Few months back you labeled Delap as potential World Class.

Let the kid grow. Hes a talent. But its early days.

Delap in hindsight was not a great shout. But we've known about this kid for the last 3-4 years.

Trust me his is generational

 

[topspin]

You do get carried away lol.

Few months back you labeled Delap as potential World Class.

Let the kid grow. Hes a talent. But it’s early days.

This was one of your ex-players hyping him up the moon last year:

As for Delap, I stand by what I said. If we want to get into point scoring, should I pull up your posts about Declan Rice?

Also, if Arsenal do go on to win the PL, Rice is most likely to win PFA player of the year.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

This was one of your ex-players hyping him up the moon last year:

As for Delap, I stand by what I said. If we want to get into point scoring, should I pull up your posts about Declan Rice?

Lol forget Rio, Neville, Scholes

The same guys labeled Foden as the Stockport Iniesta. Rashford as the new Cr7 few years back. Typical ex players Get carried away.

Same with when we had Slippery G and Frank Lampard. Way over hyped.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If he ends up half as Good As Rooney he sould take that as a compliment

As long as he stays away from old grannies, he will be fine

 

[topspin]

Lol forget Rio, Neville, Scholes

The same guys labeled Foden as the Stockport Iniesta. Rashford as the new Cr7 few years back. Typical ex players Get carried away.

Same with when we had Slippery G and Frank Lampard. Way over hyped.

With the greatest of respect, your anti-English bias is getting tiresome.

Stevie G and Lampard were not overhyped. They were elite/world class level.

Also, you conveniently dodged the part about Rice. Any words about him if he does go on to win PFA player of the year? He currently has a 60% chance of winning it.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

With the greatest of respect, your anti-English bias is getting tiresome.

Stevie G and Lampard were not overhyped. They were elite/world class level.

Also, you conveniently dodged the part about Rice. Any words about him if he does go on to win PFA player of the year? He currently has a 60% chance of winning it.

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Im pretty much English. So there's no bias lol. Hard for a desi to understand how the English bias works.

Lol at Gerrard and Lampard being world class.

As for Rice I stand by my opnion lol
Decent player at best

 

[MK7Z]

With the greatest of respect, your anti-English bias is getting tiresome.

Stevie G and Lampard were not overhyped. They were elite/world class level.

Also, you conveniently dodged the part about Rice. Any words about him if he does go on to win PFA player of the year? He currently has a 60% chance of winning it.

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Ugarte is better remember.

We don't forget

 

[aboveandbeyond]

As long as he stays away from old grannies, he will be fine

Well then. Proved to be a man of many Talents then

250 Goals for Utd
50 for England
Grannies on the side

 

[topspin]

Ugarte is better remember.

We don't forget

Pot kettle black

You do get carried away lol.

 

[topspin]

Im pretty much English. So there's no bias lol. Hard for a desi to understand how the English bias works.

Maybe no such much for the English Man U players but as for the rest, you can smell it from a mile away. For example, I’ve seen you constantly ridicule the valuations of English players as well.

Lol at Gerrard and Lampard being world class.

Everyone has their own definition of world class. The strictest definition of this is being the best player in your position. That’s why I said elite/world class.

As for Rice I stand by my opnion lol
Decent player at best

But isn’t Ugarte better?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Pot kettle black

Yep I admit it Ugarte like most of Ten hag signings been poor.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Maybe no such much for the English Man U players but as for the rest, you can smell it from a mile away. For example, I’ve seen you constantly ridicule the valuations of English players as well.



Everyone has their own definition of world class. The strictest definition of this is being the best player in your position. That’s why I said elite/world class.



But isn’t Ugarte better?

Ive always maintained English players are overhyped and overrated. Its the way our media works. They like to spin things.

Yet, when the same players who flop in major Tournaments at world Cups and Euros the same media ridicule them

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Bellingham is the only England midfielder I rate as potentially world class. At such a young age hes been quality.

Even when our Media who have no doubt shown discriminate reporting towards him on a number of occasions

 

[topspin]

Ive always maintained English players are overhyped and overrated. Its the way our media works. They like to spin things.

Yet, when the same players who flop in major Tournaments at world Cups and Euros the same media ridicule them

There we go. That wasn’t so hard was it?

Some yes, some no.

England have made 2 Euro finals and been making it to the latter stages of recent WCs, so there’s definitely enough talent in this English side. Southgate imo wasn’t good enough to take them over the line.

What do you make of England’s chances in this year’s WC? And Who do you think is better than them?

 

[Amjid Javed]

With the greatest of respect, your anti-English bias is getting tiresome.

Stevie G and Lampard were not overhyped. They were elite/world class level.

Also, you conveniently dodged the part about Rice. Any words about him if he does go on to win PFA player of the year? He currently has a 60% chance of winning it.

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Rice is an interesting one, he's played most of the games this season in the more advanced role and also sometimes in double pivot.

In terns of influencing games, along with Gabriel he's been our most important player. The one thing he has to improve on is assists in open play, as that's been non existent this season and that part of his game needs massive improvement. With him playing further forward, there is no excuse for him not to get assists in open play.

Definitely does deserve individual awards though

 

[Amjid Javed]

There we go. That wasn’t so hard was it?

Some yes, some no.

England have made 2 Euro finals and been making it to the latter stages of recent WCs, so there’s definitely enough talent in this English side. Southgate imo wasn’t good enough to take them over the line.

What do you make of England’s chances in this year’s WC? And Who do you think is better than them?

Definitely talent their, Southgate incompetent safety 1st management was main reasons for failures to beat Croatia in world cup and Italy in euros. England should have Definitely have won the euros

 

[aboveandbeyond]

There we go. That wasn’t so hard was it?

Some yes, some no.

England have made 2 Euro finals and been making it to the latter stages of recent WCs, so there’s definitely enough talent in this English side. Southgate imo wasn’t good enough to take them over the line.

What do you make of England’s chances in this year’s WC? And Who do you think is better than them?

Let's see buddy. We've had the luck of the draw in atleast 3 of the past Tournaments. As soon as we've played anyone decent which happened to be in semis or Final we lost.

As for this summers world Cup weather will play a big part. The heat and humidity will nullify alot of the Europeans bar Spain and Portugal.

I see the winners coming from
Spain
Portugal
Brazil
France

As for our chances. I see Quarters at best. We've got alot of issues both in defense and Attack.

Kane has no obvious replacement

Foden looks lost

Gordon hit and miss

Rashford hit and miss

Palmer hit and miss

Grealish out of form and injured

However. I do like Bellingham Anderson Rice Roger's in midfield. A real strength for England

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Rice is an interesting one, he's played most of the games this season in the more advanced role and also sometimes in double pivot.

In terns of influencing games, along with Gabriel he's been our most important player. The one thing he has to improve on is assists in open play, as that's been non existent this season and that part of his game needs massive improvement. With him playing further forward, there is no excuse for him not to get assists in open play.

Definitely does deserve individual awards though

This is why Eze has not really flourished. Hes more a link player who brings in others with pass and move philosophy. But with Rice, his strength in general lies with direct physical duals, free kicks, corners, throw ins, I agree Rice needs to massively improve his game from open play which will also make it easier For the likes of Eze.

 

[topspin]

Rice is an interesting one, he's played most of the games this season in the more advanced role and also sometimes in double pivot.

In terns of influencing games, along with Gabriel he's been our most important player. The one thing he has to improve on is assists in open play, as that's been non existent this season and that part of his game needs massive improvement. With him playing further forward, there is no excuse for him not to get assists in open play.

Definitely does deserve individual awards though

I remember in his first season (23/24) he got 15 G/As in the PL, so when you look at those stats purely at face value, the numbers we seeing now may appear to be a slight let down.

But after the 23/24 season, Arteta changed the system which we can see isn’t conductive to creating chances from open play.

Even though Rice plays as an 8, it feels like he’s playing more as a DM.
His average position is deep for a number 8, when compared to someone like Enzo Fernandez.

When we’re playing out from the back, we’re used to seeing Rice go deeper than Zubimendi to help the defence in bringing the ball forward.

We want to see Rice get more assists but I feel like we’re playing 2 x DMs with him and Zubimendi.

If you look at the amount of ground he covers, his interceptions, ball recoveries, set pieces and his leadership, he has undoubtedly justified his price tag.

If Arsenal do go on to win the league, he deserves PFA player of the year. He’s worked his socks off and I have to say it’s remarkable how he’s still going (not such good news for England going into the WC).

 

[topspin]

Definitely talent their, Southgate incompetent safety 1st management was main reasons for failures to beat Croatia in world cup and Italy in euros. England should have Definitely have won the euros

Spot on. Southgate isn’t even a PL coach. His tactics cost England dearly. A classic example is when his side were 1-0 up against Italy in the final, the Italians were there for the taking but Southgate decided to go defensive, that too well before half-time.

As for English players being overrated and overhyped. In some cases, this is the case but there are also those who don’t get the recognition they deserve. A good case in point is Harry Kane. A lot can change from now until Autumn but to date I think he’s the one who deserves to win the Ballon d’or.

 

[topspin]

This is why Eze has not really flourished. Hes more a link player who brings in others with pass and move philosophy. But with Rice, his strength in general lies with direct physical duals, free kicks, corners, throw ins, I agree Rice needs to massively improve his game from open play which will also make it easier For the likes of Eze.

One area that I would like to see Rice improve on is producing those line cutting passes to the likes of Eze and Gyokeres.

Arteta’s system is also to blame here and hindering his development in this area.

 

[topspin]

Let's see buddy. We've had the luck of the draw in atleast 3 of the past Tournaments. As soon as we've played anyone decent which happened to be in semis or Final we lost.

As for this summers world Cup weather will play a big part. The heat and humidity will nullify alot of the Europeans bar Spain and Portugal.

I see the winners coming from
Spain
Portugal
Brazil
France

As for our chances. I see Quarters at best. We've got alot of issues both in defense and Attack.

Kane has no obvious replacement

Foden looks lost

Gordon hit and miss

Rashford hit and miss

Palmer hit and miss

Grealish out of form and injured

However. I do like Bellingham Anderson Rice Roger's in midfield. A real strength for England

This is why I’m glad we have Tuchel. He knows how to win big games and is better suited for knockout tournaments than leagues. Southgate as a coach isn’t even PL level, so you can’t just blame the players, when they were clearly being hindered by an incompetent manager.

I would say Spain and France are the favourites for me, closely followed by England and Portugal.

I think Argentina are still better than Brazil.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Spot on. Southgate isn’t even a PL coach. His tactics cost England dearly. A classic example is when his side were 1-0 up against Italy in the final, the Italians were there for the taking but Southgate decided to go defensive, that too well before half-time.

As for English players being overrated and overhyped. In some cases, this is the case but there are also those who don’t get the recognition they deserve. A good case in point is Harry Kane. A lot can change from now until Autumn but to date I think he’s the one who deserves to win the Ballon d’or.

Its not Southgates fault 2018 world cup semi final against Croatia kane virtually misses a open net to make it 2-0
And 2022 Quarter final against France when he blazed over from the Spot.

International football is about having Man managers style Managers, not Coaches. Its high time These elite players took responsibility. Last Euros, bar Bellingham, rest were awful

 

[aboveandbeyond]

One area that I would like to see Rice improve on is producing those line cutting passes to the likes of Eze and Gyokeres.

Arteta’s system is also to blame here and hindering his development in this area.

He has to. Otherwise the midfield creativity wise will not function properly.

Have you guys actually played any levels of football. By this i mean proper 11 a side league football. Not the normal 7 a side Asians normally thrive on.

I played alot of Rugby and football in physically demanding leagues, where to be honest not many Asians thrived in

 

[Theo_14]

One area that I would like to see Rice improve on is producing those line cutting passes to the likes of Eze and Gyokeres.

Don’t think you’ll see that at all from Rice. That’s not his role. Occasionally you will see Zubi do that but really under Arteta it’s your fullbacks or centrebacks that provide the break line passes. Still think Arsenal need a proper #6 in the summer.

Crucial win against Everton but really Arsenal should count themself very lucky because Everton had opportunities. The real test will be against Bournemouth, they are in form and will be coming to win.

 

[MK7Z]

Don’t think you’ll see that at all from Rice. That’s not his role. Occasionally you will see Zubi do that but really under Arteta it’s your fullbacks or centrebacks that provide the break line passes. Still think Arsenal need a proper #6 in the summer.

Crucial win against Everton but really Arsenal should count themself very lucky because Everton had opportunities. The real test will be against Bournemouth, they are in form and will be coming to win.

Don't forget Arsenal should have had a clear Pen early in the game which would have put a different spin on the game. We are not lucky we get the job done. Luck only gets you so far.

Hate to be that guy bro but are you mixing Bournemouth with somebody else cos not sure what form they have been in?

They have won 1 game in their last 6 ( mainly draws) and scored 1 goal in their last 4 matches. Hardly a team going for the win cos they cant put the ball into back of the net.

And its not as though they have kept teams out defensively until recent couple of games.

Although I agree no game will be easy from now until the end.

 

[Obaidd]

Better late then never, how crucial this Gyokeres goal could be. God knows why Donkey havertz started this game

1-0

Arsenal’s strength is the togetherness of the squad and everyone contributes. Even Jesus, Lewis Skelly, White, Norgaard have contributed. All of them are genuine contributors to the team’s success.

Such posts and opinions show what a pathetic narcissistic fool you are.

 

[Obaidd]

After the draw to Wolves, I thought this was City’s to lose but looking back at it now, that result wasn’t ideal but not as bad as it seemed at the time. This Wolves team of late are performing well above relegation material.

You gave up after match week 5. Goes on to show how clueless you are and how blinded you were by hate for Arteta. In fact in your case, your opinions are always in line with your masters. Always taking cues like the sidekick that you are.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Agree with Henry's point of view. Getting over the line and winning the Title after almost Quarter of a Century is far more important than entertaining at all costs.

Thierry Henry defends Arsenal style and 'respects' Mikel Arteta's ability to find a winning formula to end 22-year wait for title

Thierry Henry defends Arsenals style under Mikel Arteta, saying nothing is more important than winning first Premier League title since 2003/04; Jamie Carragher praises Artetas ability to transition from philosophy of Pep Guardiola towards Jose Mourinho

www.skysports.com

 

[MK7Z]

I suggest you do the same and enjoy the remainder of the season instead of being drawn out to pointless petty arguments. @topspin @Amjid Javed

 

[Amjid Javed]

Anyways back to tonights game, we have to play a lot better then we did in 1st leg and a lot better than we did for 89 minutes vs Everton at weekend, any more type of underwhelming performances like that it will get exposed in the cup competitions and in Europe. Only takes 1 bad half or bad game ahd your out of a cup.

We need to start the game with good tempo. Get an early goal and make leverkusen have to come out and take risks.

 

[Obaidd]

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I suggest you do the same and enjoy the remainder of the season instead of being drawn out to pointless petty arguments. @topspin @Amjid Javed

I must be doing something right

@Amjid Javed and @topspin are going to try hard to ‘ignore’ me obviously because they want to hide but as I’ve said I won’t let them hide. Time to shame them.

 

[Obaidd]

@MK7Z @topspin @IMMY69

Serious question, this season have you enjoyed watching games? Also when it comes to midweek or weekend do looking forward and go I can't wait to watch the match?

Serious question, you want us to ignore all the hate you’ve been mongering?

Lol this season has been a hard watch for @Amjid Javed and friends

 

[Obaidd]

Title race over. Arteta needs to be sacked.

Genius!!

 

[topspin]

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I suggest you do the same and enjoy the remainder of the season instead of being drawn out to pointless petty arguments. @topspin @Amjid Javed

Well said bro. I’m not wasting time on someone who’s clearly more interested in chasing attention and showcasing his insecurities.

The funny thing is he doesn’t realise he was the one being laughed at for his OTT Arteta worship. Even non‑Arsenal fans like Geordie and GOSH had to gently point out that celebrating second place isn’t exactly normal behaviour for someone claiming to be an Arsenal supporter.

If there were an anonymous poll among Arsenal fans about whose ball knowledge is truly in the mud, he’d win it comfortably. He knows it too. His insecurity is written all over his posts.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Well said bro. I’m not wasting time on someone who’s clearly more interested in chasing attention and showcasing his insecurities.

After 5 seasons of humiliation, imagine having to login under a new alias to try and salvage some integrity. 100% he's chasing attention.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Brilliant goal by Eze

 

[ads101]

Nice goal by eze!

 

[topspin]

After 5 seasons of humiliation, imagine having to login under a new alias to try and salvage some integrity. 100% he's chasing attention.

Some people have no shame, what can I say

 

[topspin]

That was some goal by Eze. Beautiful strike from him.

 

[topspin]

Don’t think you’ll see that at all from Rice. That’s not his role. Occasionally you will see Zubi do that but really under Arteta it’s your fullbacks or centrebacks that provide the break line passes. Still think Arsenal need a proper #6 in the summer.

According to rumours, Arsenal are linked with Tonali so you might get your wish this summer.

 

[Amjid Javed]

According to rumours, Arsenal are linked with Tonali so you might get your wish this summer.

Arsenal should offer Odegaard, Merino or haverz as part of a swap deal.

If Liverpool don't make CL, I think Arsenal should bid for Dominik Szoboszlai

 

[Obaidd]

@Amjid Javed @topspin
Great job ignoring me duds

How’s your research going on trying to figure out if I was an alt

You guys are really good at getting to the ‘bottom’ of things

 

[Obaidd]

Some people have no shame, what can I say

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No shame is when you call for the manager to be sacked who’s going to win you trophies and hate on him incessantly but now want a piece of the goodies

 

[topspin]

Arsenal should offer Odegaard, Merino or haverz as part of a swap deal.

If Liverpool don't make CL, I think Arsenal should bid for Dominik Szoboszlai

Szob would be some signing. I agree with opting for a swap deal because I'm not sure Arsenal can spend anywhere near as much as they did last summer when they went on a £250m+ spending spree.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Szob would be some signing. I agree with opting for a swap deal because I'm not sure Arsenal can spend anywhere near as much as they did last summer when they went on a £250m+ spending spree.

If we sell Odegaard, Martinelli, trossard that should bring some money in, also get rid of Jesus of wage bill. Then we should be looking at 2 big attacking signings in summer. Plus another midfielder. We need 3 players ideal of top quality in summer. Plus give dowman and Nwaneri more game time

 

[ads101]

Well said bro. I’m not wasting time on someone who’s clearly more interested in chasing attention and showcasing his insecurities.

The funny thing is he doesn’t realise he was the one being laughed at for his OTT Arteta worship. Even non‑Arsenal fans like Geordie and GOSH had to gently point out that celebrating second place isn’t exactly normal behaviour for someone claiming to be an Arsenal supporter.

If there were an anonymous poll among Arsenal fans about whose ball knowledge is truly in the mud, he’d win it comfortably. He knows it too. His insecurity is written all over his posts.

To be fair the hate for Arteta is also over the top given how much he’s turned around a side and if he does end up winning a premier league or more. Yes there can be an argument for whether you need to get someone else to get over the line. But him being a bad coach/manager, I just don’t think you can do that well or get that close being that. The way that sometimes people talk about Arteta, you’d think Arsenal are getting relegated not leading the league. And I guarantee rival fans wouldn’t be complaining like this if they were in this position. I’ve seen it on this forum myself, you give a bit of praise and you get attacked.

On the whole this forum is far more negative around Arteta than the average Arsenal fan for sure. Not saying it’s not people’s rights to believe what they want. But in general I see far more overhating of Arteta than the opposite.

 

[Amjid Javed]

To be fair the hate for Arteta is also over the top given how much he’s turned around a side and if he does end up winning a premier league or more. Yes there can be an argument for whether you need to get someone else to get over the line. But him being a bad coach/manager, I just don’t think you can do that well or get that close being that. The way that sometimes people talk about Arteta, you’d think Arsenal are getting relegated not leading the league. And I guarantee rival fans wouldn’t be complaining like this if they were in this position. I’ve seen it on this forum myself, you give a bit of praise and you get attacked.

On the whole this forum is far more negative around Arteta than the average Arsenal fan for sure. Not saying it’s not people’s rights to believe what they want. But in general I see far more overhating of Arteta than the opposite.

Yet another over exaggerator. Most Arteta fan boys act like Arsenal were in league one when he took over.

Facts are he took over a club that just missed out on CL qualifications season before and had won 3 trophies in 5 seasons before that. Yet people want to act as though Arsenal history is only the last 20 years or so. Actually go learn your clubs history rather then coming up with mythical nonsense.

Other managers at this club have actually taken over in worse positions and delivered a lot more success

Also 5 seasons without a trophy or a cup final is actually embarrassing for a big club, most clubs won't even tolerate that. So this nonsense other clubs fans would be happy with it again is a load of rubbish. Liverpool won title last seasin and now want a new manager. Man city fans wouldn't put up with going so long without a trophy either.

Facts are you and quite a few others were happy celebrating 2nd place finishes which ain't a trophy and when you get called out for it, your now crying calling it being attacked. Delivering 1 title in 7 season in large scale of things isn't a great success either. In isolation In a season a title looks great, overall its a **** poor return.

Then again yoh get people thinking klopps 1 title at Liverpool was a success because he was up again Pep, which again is a load of nonsense.

Go look at what state Arsenal actually were in when George Graham took and what he won. That's what you actually call success. Most modern day Arsenal fans are so starved of success they feel need to make up new criteria for what so called success is

 

[topspin]

Quality goal from the "overhyped and overrated" English midfielder.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Klopp got a premier league and a champions league. That’s slightly better than 3 premier leagues at Arsenal. And wenger was there a far longer time.

Klopp got unlucky to have gone toe to toe with arguably the best premier league side of all time. Those sort of premier league totals would have won you the league easily most years. And if anything the difference came more down to squad depth. If Liverpool had the same squad depth I think they would have won. It was more a difference in squad depth and money.

What Klopp did with the budget he had was a miracle. And even then I chalk it more down to lack of funds the reason why he lost not being outhought by pep.

Arsenal are different. They have bottled the league multiple times when the opponents weren’t so good anymore. Dropping points by the boatload in the business end of the season. Errors leading to goal. And it’s not even the attack, it’s the defense doing the bottling who have been excellent up to recently. That is bottling. 2022/23 season is probably the worst bottle job in history, I think it set some sort of record.

Klopp is one of the best premier league managers in history. The fact he got so close to pep and pushed them so far is incredibly impressive.

one of the most clueless posts I've read in 20 plus years on here.

Wenger won a double in 97/98 and 01/02 and invincible in 03/04

But klopp winning 1 PL title and 1 CL surpasses 3 PL title? 2 of which were doubles.

Then again you think Artetas last 5 seasons have been amazing.

Pretty much sums up the modern day tiktok fans with zero intelligence on football history

 

[ads101]

Yet another over exaggerator. Most Arteta fan boys act like Arsenal were in league one when he took over.

Facts are he took over a club that just missed out on CL qualifications season before and had won 3 trophies in 5 seasons before that. Yet people want to act as though Arsenal history is only the last 20 years or so. Actually go learn your clubs history rather then coming up with mythical nonsense.

Other managers at this club have actually taken over in worse positions and delivered a lot more success

Also 5 seasons without a trophy or a cup final is actually embarrassing for a big club, most clubs won't even tolerate that. So this nonsense other clubs fans would be happy with it again is a load of rubbish. Liverpool won title last seasin and now want a new manager. Man city fans wouldn't put up with going so long without a trophy either.

Facts are you and quite a few others were happy celebrating 2nd place finishes which ain't a trophy and when you get called out for it, your now crying calling it being attacked. Delivering 1 title in 7 season in large scale of things isn't a great success either. In isolation In a season a title looks great, overall its a **** poor return.

Then again yoh get people thinking klopps 1 title at Liverpool was a success because he was up again Pep, which again is a load of nonsense.

Go look at what state Arsenal actually were in when George Graham took and what he won. That's what you actually call success. Most modern day Arsenal fans are so starved of success they feel need to make up new criteria for what so called success is

it’s a win win for you. If Arsenal miss out you get to say you told them so. If Arsenal win, you say you’re happy you won. It’s a coping mechanism really. Either way you win.

George Graham was 30 years ago. Arsenal last won the title over 20 years ago. Of course Man City won’t put up without winning a title for so long because they have been winning it virtually every season. Liverpool fans all rate Klopp for his 1 title.

It takes a lot to win a trophy and is very hard to snatch one away from clubs that have a stranglehold over it. Even under wenger, Man Utd soon started dominating it again.

Once you get one, multiple becomes much easier. It is very difficult to win your first one after so long. Which is why teams generally go through droughts when they lose the practice of winning.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Quality goal from the "overhyped and overrated" English midfielder.

He deserved his goal, he's been outstanding tonight.

 

[ads101]

one of the most clueless posts I've read in 20 plus years on here.

Wenger won a double in 97/98 and 01/02 and invincible in 03/04

But klopp winning 1 PL title and 1 CL surpasses 3 PL title? 2 of which were doubles.

Then again you think Artetas last 5 seasons have been amazing.

Pretty much sums up the modern day tiktok fans with zero intelligence on football history

Yes if you’ve never won a champions league before it means more than a title or two. Arsenal have never won one. I’d take one champions league over 2 more titles. Until Arsenal win a champions league it will remain like that.

 

[Amjid Javed]

it’s a win win for you. If Arsenal miss out you get to say you told them so. If Arsenal win, you say you’re happy you won. It’s a coping mechanism really. Either way you win.

George Graham was 30 years ago. Arsenal last won the title over 20 years ago. Of course Man City won’t put up without winning a title for so long because they have been winning it virtually every season. Liverpool fans all rate Klopp for his 1 title.

It takes a lot to win a trophy and is very hard to snatch one away from clubs that have a stranglehold over it. Even under wenger, Man Utd soon started dominating it again.

Once you get one, multiple becomes much easier. It is very difficult to win your first one after so long. Which is why teams generally go through droughts when they lose the practice of winning.

No coping mechanism at all, I know my clubs history, unlike you who has resorted to over exaggerating because

- you don't know your clubs history
- you haven't seen this club win a lot of major trophies, so you don't know what success.

GG took over Arsenal in 1986
- Arsenal hadn't won the league for 15 years (1971)
- Arsenal hadn't won a trophy for 7 years (1979)
- Arsenal had got to a cup final for 6 years (1980)

Thats what you call taking over a club in a mess, no real star players in team.

Arteta tool over a club which had win 3 trophies in 5 season before that, had been in a title race during 5 years before, also got to cup finals.

So like I said go learn your clubs history before making it up.

Also reason Arsenal stopped competing under wenger was because, both Chelsea and City got rich owners. Arsenal board refused any new investors and then moved into a new stadium which they didn't have money for.

Finally the fact you think klopp won won 1 PL title in 9 years is a great manager, because of budget he had. Then also think winning 1 PL title and CL is greater achievement then 3 PL is hilarious

 

[Amjid Javed]

Yes if you’ve never won a champions league before it means more than a title or two. Arsenal have never won one. I’d take one champions league over 2 more titles. Until Arsenal win a champions league it will remain like that.

Absolutely nonsense. A league title means your the best team over 38 or 42 games (old PL). Add to that Arsenal won doubles in 2 out of those 3 PL titles. But supposedly a CL, because Arsenal haven't won one is more of an achievement.

Again shows your level of cluelessness.

I'd take 3 PL over any 1 CL win.

 

[ads101]

No coping mechanism at all, I know my clubs history, unlike you who has resorted to over exaggerating because

- you don't know your clubs history
- you haven't seen this club win a lot of major trophies, so you don't know what success.

GG took over Arsenal in 1986
- Arsenal hadn't won the league for 15 years (1971)
- Arsenal hadn't won a trophy for 7 years (1979)
- Arsenal had got to a cup final for 6 years (1980)

Thats what you call taking over a club in a mess, no real star players in team.

Arteta tool over a club which had win 3 trophies in 5 season before that, had been in a title race during 5 years before, also got to cup finals.

So like I said go learn your clubs history before making it up.

Also reason Arsenal stopped competing under wenger was because, both Chelsea and City got rich owners. Arsenal board refused any new investors and then moved into a new stadium which they didn't have money for.

Finally the fact you think klopp won won 1 PL title in 9 years is a great manager, because of budget he had. Then also think winning 1 PL title and CL is greater achievement then 3 PL is hilarious

What George Graham did was great. I’m not comparing Arteta to him. But it was the 80s. A long time ago. Arsene wenger I agree with you he stopped competing because of lack of investment. However regardless of the reason, it created a drought of major trophies. And no fa cups are not major trophies, it is titles and champions leagues which are the priority.

Every team has struggled to compete with Man City. They have had the best coaches, the most money, the star players. That is the reality of the situation. You can pretend it’s still 1980s but it’s not.

What Klopp did was really impressive. With a lack budget to do that was insane. Give him the exact same budget as pep, he likely would have won far more. He just didn’t have the strength in depth of squad. You’re making excuses for wenger, and yet Klopp is somehow exempt from that.

Your views remind me a lot of that YouTuber Lee gunner, it’s almost totally the same.

 

[Obaidd]

To be fair the hate for Arteta is also over the top given how much he’s turned around a side and if he does end up winning a premier league or more. Yes there can be an argument for whether you need to get someone else to get over the line. But him being a bad coach/manager, I just don’t think you can do that well or get that close being that. The way that sometimes people talk about Arteta, you’d think Arsenal are getting relegated not leading the league. And I guarantee rival fans wouldn’t be complaining like this if they were in this position. I’ve seen it on this forum myself, you give a bit of praise and you get attacked.

On the whole this forum is far more negative around Arteta than the average Arsenal fan for sure. Not saying it’s not people’s rights to believe what they want. But in general I see far more overhating of Arteta than the opposite.

Hats off to you @ads101 for making your points and standing up to this pack of dingoes.

It’s shocking how ignorant they’ve become in their hate while being led on by the yes men.

@Amjid Javed you should be grateful to Arteta not hateful towards him. It’s precisely because of this attitude that I am unwilling to share Arteta’s success with you. Even till now you miserable miserly misers have yet to say anything positive about arteta. No grace, no shame..

 

[Obaidd]

Your views remind me a lot of that YouTuber Lee gunner, it’s almost totally the same.

Hahaha funny he reminds you of Lee Gunner, he reminds me of Troopz

To top it off this joker thinks you are an Arsenal supporter. Goes on to show how little regard he has for anybody else’s opinions and how stuck up this narcissist is..

 

[ads101]

Hahaha funny he reminds you of Lee Gunner, he reminds me of Troopz

To top it off this joker thinks you are an Arsenal supporter. Goes on to show how little regard he has for anybody else’s opinions and how stuck up this narcissist is..

To be fair I am an Arsenal supporter. I just dislike using the term we because I know at the end of the day it’s a business. And I just know some football club owners are pretty horrible. I freely use we when it’s a international sport.

 

[topspin]

To be fair the hate for Arteta is also over the top given how much he’s turned around a side and if he does end up winning a premier league or more. Yes there can be an argument for whether you need to get someone else to get over the line. But him being a bad coach/manager, I just don’t think you can do that well or get that close being that. The way that sometimes people talk about Arteta, you’d think Arsenal are getting relegated not leading the league. And I guarantee rival fans wouldn’t be complaining like this if they were in this position. I’ve seen it on this forum myself, you give a bit of praise and you get attacked.

On the whole this forum is far more negative around Arteta than the average Arsenal fan for sure. Not saying it’s not people’s rights to believe what they want. But in general I see far more overhating of Arteta than the opposite.

I hear what you're saying, but I completely disagree that any of this stems from “hate for Arteta.”

My post was directed at one specific individual whose behaviour has been repeatedly called out by others. For instance, earlier today in the Arteta thread, someone told him to stop acting like a WhatsApp Aunty.

If you’ve been following the discussions, you’ll know that several posters have raised concerns about the quality of his contributions and the way he keeps celebrating finishing second. At this rate, we might as well start throwing parties for it.

During an exchange with a Newcastle fan, he claimed that “finishing second was never an issue.” Unsurprisingly, the Newcastle supporter responded by calling out how ridiculous that stance was:

I find this very strange, especially for a club as big as Arsenal and a club that has had the success that Arsenal has had

Whenever a manager has clearly hit a ceiling then moving on is completely logical, otherwise what is the point?

It's not like he can even hide behind playing really good, entertaining football, I would then understand wanting to keep him because ultimately football is entertainment and he would be delivering that but it's actually the opposite, the football Arsenal play is turgid and difficult to watch (And I say this as someone that thoroughly enjoyed watching Arsenal play under prime Wenger years)

The turgid football is only worth it if the end outcome is success, finishing 2nd again and again is not success

The fact that several non‑Arsenal fans have criticised his takes says everything you need to know about this poster’s credibility.

I’ve also given Arteta plenty of credit for our rise in Europe in recent years, so I’m not going to accept being labelled an Arteta hater by someone who’s only been a regular contributor to Arsenal threads for a few months. It’s no surprise he’s already found himself on the ignore list of multiple long standing, well respected Arsenal fans here.

 

[Obaidd]

To be fair I am an Arsenal supporter. I just dislike using the term we because I know at the end of the day it’s a business. And I just know some football club owners are pretty horrible. I freely use we when it’s a international sport.

Oh wow this means there are reasonable Arsenal supporters here too.. ok great to know. I though there was just this kachra @Amjid Javed @topspin types..

 

[Obaidd]

The fact that several non‑Arsenal fans have criticised his takes says everything you need to know about this poster’s credibility.

I am not judging envious rival fans at all.

I am reserving my ridicule for ‘Arsenal supporters’ like yourself who raised the white flag on match week 5.

I called you out then and there but waited till now to put the rotten on your sleazebag face.

Btw I knew you guys wouldn’t be able to ignore me nor will I let you hide. Now don’t dirty your pants

 

[topspin]

Absolutely nonsense. A league title means your the best team over 38 or 42 games (old PL). Add to that Arsenal won doubles in 2 out of those 3 PL titles. But supposedly a CL, because Arsenal haven't won one is more of an achievement.

Again shows your level of cluelessness.

I'd take 3 PL over any 1 CL win.

I couldn't agree more.

The great Brian Clough was once asked whether he'd rather win the League or the European Cup. He chose the League and reason he gave is exactly what you've highlighted. The sheer number of games nullifies the luck factor.

In the CL, it's a knockout tournament, so the best team doesn't always win it. Fine examples of this are Porto in 04, Liverpool in 05 and Chelsea in 2012. Liverpool finished 5th in the league when they won it and Chelsea finished 6th in 2012 - both falling short of a CL play-off spot.

Don't get me wrong, I badly want to win the CL so we can get that monkey off our back but once we've won it, I will just see it as a nice addition to winning the League.

 

[MK7Z]

We had a game today folks by the way and a very good attacking display.

2 stunning goals.

I said a while back that when teams come and try to play against us they are heading for a thrashing. It's percentage football that we play and it's working.

Should have scored more. Their keeper was good.

On to the next 1. Chance to bag a nice starter to incoming main course.

 

[ads101]

I hear what you're saying, but I completely disagree that any of this stems from “hate for Arteta.”

My post was directed at one specific individual whose behaviour has been repeatedly called out by others. For instance, earlier today in the Arteta thread, someone told him to stop acting like a WhatsApp Aunty.

If you’ve been following the discussions, you’ll know that several posters have raised concerns about the quality of his contributions and the way he keeps celebrating finishing second. At this rate, we might as well start throwing parties for it.

During an exchange with a Newcastle fan, he claimed that “finishing second was never an issue.” Unsurprisingly, the Newcastle supporter responded by calling out how ridiculous that stance was:



The fact that several non‑Arsenal fans have criticised his takes says everything you need to know about this poster’s credibility.

I’ve also given Arteta plenty of credit for our rise in Europe in recent years, so I’m not going to accept being labelled an Arteta hater by someone who’s only been a regular contributor to Arsenal threads for a few months. It’s no surprise he’s already found himself on the ignore list of multiple long standing, well respected Arsenal fans here.

I don’t group you with them. And I do think obbaidd is wrong to talk to you like that. But I have seen how some posters or one in particular will lash out at you at the slightest hint of Arteta praise. Call you loser, name calling etc, it’s happened to me personally. It’s actually a weird and undignified manner of reasoning with someone. Not really any manners. Usually I ignore it but feel a bit standupish today.

I don’t know if obbaid started it. Very sure he isn’t a second account of Mamoon and have seen him post on cricket before. I also don’t know if he started it. As previously explained there are posters who will jump at you, insult you or your football knowledge if you disagree with their way of thinking. And yes I still disagree with how he has talked to you, but it’s most likely because he thinks you are backing this person up.

I don’t know why people can’t just talk on this forum with decent manners without stopping so low to insult people. It’s always terms thrown around like pathetic, loser, laughable etc.

 

[Obaidd]

My brother - I think you need to learn the trend of this thread otherwise you may find yourself labelled.

@IMMY69 very kindly warned me in my early days posting. I think he said to me " you must be new here " after I put across a few views and was sorta ambushed lol.

Anyway keep posting but just don't mention the word standards, Or measure success by points gained or being a runner up being some sort of achievement... it wont go down well......

@ads101 check out this post by dear @MK7Z

From day 1 he warned me to not share my genuine feelings about my club because of the expected backlash from that certain someone.

He even narrates an event of how he got ‘sorta ambushed’ here but doesn’t reveal by whom

Which is why I feel that the genuine supporters (including @MK7Z) need to stand up to these haters who have hijacked the narrative around this club for far too long..

 

[topspin]

I don’t group you with them. And I do think obbaidd is wrong to talk to you like that. But I have seen how some posters or one in particular will lash out at you at the slightest hint of Arteta praise. Call you loser, name calling etc, it’s happened to me personally. It’s actually a weird and undignified manner of reasoning with someone. Not really any manners. Usually I ignore it but feel a bit standupish today.

I don’t know if obbaid started it. Very sure he isn’t a second account of Mamoon and have seen him post on cricket before. I also don’t know if he started it. As previously explained there are posters who will jump at you, insult you or your football knowledge if you disagree with their way of thinking. And yes I still disagree with how he has talked to you, but it’s most likely because he thinks you are backing this person up.

I don’t know why people can’t just talk on this forum with decent manners without stopping so low to insult people. It’s always terms thrown around like pathetic, loser, laughable etc.

I have a lot of respect for your contributions on this thread, and honestly, I wish you posted more often.

You’re certainly not a loser or pathetic. I'm not defending anyone here but what you'll find here is just raw passion, and as a fanbase we’re naturally more emotionally charged. I guess it’s the product of two decades of frustration from repeatedly falling just short of winning the PL/CL. If Arsenal finally get over the line in either competition, I'm sure the whole energy in here will shift.

I'm also on the receiving end of personal attacks as well, so what I will say is don't let anyone stop the good work that you're doing here.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I don’t group you with them. And I do think obbaidd is wrong to talk to you like that. But I have seen how some posters or one in particular will lash out at you at the slightest hint of Arteta praise. Call you loser, name calling etc, it’s happened to me personally. It’s actually a weird and undignified manner of reasoning with someone. Not really any manners. Usually I ignore it but feel a bit standupish today.

I don’t know if obbaid started it. Very sure he isn’t a second account of Mamoon and have seen him post on cricket before. I also don’t know if he started it. As previously explained there are posters who will jump at you, insult you or your football knowledge if you disagree with their way of thinking. And yes I still disagree with how he has talked to you, but it’s most likely because he thinks you are backing this person up.

I don’t know why people can’t just talk on this forum with decent manners without stopping so low to insult people. It’s always terms thrown around like pathetic, loser, laughable etc.

Obaidd is attention seeking . Your football knowledge is hilarious as well. Like I said the modern day tiktok fans who think finish 2nd is a trophy, who think the club's were in a so called mess 6 or 7 years ago which is over exaggerated non sense.

Plenty of Arsenal fans have called out the manager and club over last 5 or 6 years, why because they have seen the club win trophies in past, also understand the clubs history.

Now all of sudden like a bunch of rats, certain fans have come out of the woodwork after 5 seasons without a trophy, beating their chest as some sort of validation exercise. The last 5 seasons failure doesn't dissapear in the club's history.

But supposedly calling your club's failures out is hatred, celebrating being in a title race is a "proper fan"

The fact you think 1 CL win surpasses 2 Double winning seasons or an invincible season is reasons I've called put your clueless ball knowledge

Also klopp winning 1 title due to "budget" also hilarious, you think most clubs competing vs fergies United had loads of money? Wenger didn't exactly have loads of money when competing vs United and won 3 titles.

Can't wait wait for next chest beater to
turn up and start spewing rubbish.

 

[Amjid Javed]

@ads101 your making a song dance about how the manager has been called for so called miracles he's done in last 6 seasons, and call it over the top. Yet at Sam's time your acting as though Arsenal have won 3 or 4 PL and 3 CL in last 6 years. Don't take about over the top stuff, when 1 your standards for success are low. Which again proves point on your clueless views on a club where you don't even know the history.

Slot at Liverpool must be a PL legend as he's matched Klopps legendary PL trophy haul.

Number of people that all of sudden this season have out of nowhere started to tag me in posts, then start crying when they get a response. Where wee you hiding the 5 seasons before?

Validation attention seeking at its bear. The fact your defending a behaviour as well is hilarious

 

[Amjid Javed]

We had a game today folks by the way and a very good attacking display.

2 stunning goals.

I said a while back that when teams come and try to play against us they are heading for a thrashing. It's percentage football that we play and it's working.

Should have scored more. Their keeper was good.

On to the next 1. Chance to bag a nice starter to incoming main course.

Yeah Sunday is the place to start and win first trophy in 6 season, hopefully the 1st of many.

Then all these fans who have beeb celebrating being in a title race, progressing in cups, might actually understand Arsenal are a big club because of what trophies they actually win.

 

[Amjid Javed]

What George Graham did was great. I’m not comparing Arteta to him. But it was the 80s. A long time ago. Arsene wenger I agree with you he stopped competing because of lack of investment. However regardless of the reason, it created a drought of major trophies. And no fa cups are not major trophies, it is titles and champions leagues which are the priority.

Every team has struggled to compete with Man City. They have had the best coaches, the most money, the star players. That is the reality of the situation. You can pretend it’s still 1980s but it’s not.

What Klopp did was really impressive. With a lack budget to do that was insane. Give him the exact same budget as pep, he likely would have won far more. He just didn’t have the strength in depth of squad. You’re making excuses for wenger, and yet Klopp is somehow exempt from that.

Your views remind me a lot of that YouTuber Lee gunner, it’s almost totally the same.

Klopp had plenty of opportunities to win more than 1 PL title, he bottled 2 other PL titles. A return of 1 PL in 9 years in **** poor.

Man united had more money then most teams between 1993 and 2005. It didn't stop Arsenal from winning 3 PL titles. Yet your happy to degrade those 3 PL title to pander over 1 CL win.

Is Di matteo a better then wenger then? By your absurd logic.

Also you keep harping on about budgets.

Reality is Arteta is the 2nd highest paid manager on 15M a year in PL and has gone 5 years without a trophy. So the club's employing someone on that level of money just to compete? Like I said the fact most people call this out, yet your happy to hype it up as success pretty much again sums up modern day Arsenal fans who don't actually know what proper success is.

My stance on this forum and cricket forum is straight forward. You win stuff you get credit, you don't its failure.

I don't need to crawl out of wood work after 7 seasons acting like a miracle had happened and its not happened before.

Also all of sudden because we have reached a CL 1/4 and semi final in last 2 seasons, fans acting like the club's never done that before

Fans like yourself act like the club was formed in 2005 and last 5 years is some sort gold standard.

Fans like Lee gunner, Kenny Ken or any other Arsenal fan born in 70s, 80s have actually seen success and actually call out failure.

The fact uve not seen this team win a PL title pretty much sums up why your getting gassed up over "competing"

 

[Amjid Javed]

All the Arteta fan boys who are all of sudden seeking validation, save your energy for humping each other at end of season. The fact you have people worshipping a manager over an actual football club and then portraying themselves as "proper fans"

 

[IMMY69]

Great win yesterday..

Should have scored another 3 goals but for their keeper who made some fine saves..

Hope we take this intensity to Wembley and bag our first trophy in 6 years...

Regarding Arteta, I have supported him since day one because we could see what he was trying to do, I.e making us solid; getting rid of players that were not prepared to track back and defend as a team etc etc

However, a few Arteta fans here, including myself, had said that this was the season that was going to define his last few years as manager and whether he should remain as manager moving forward. So far, he's succeeding on that score.

COYG

 

[Amjid Javed]

However, a few Arteta fans here, including myself, had said that this was the season that was going to define his last few years as manager and whether he should remain as manager moving forward. So far, he's succeeding on that score.

Your not allowed to raise concerns or calling things out. Your a "fake fan"

Your arteta membership and posters should be revoked.

Your not allowed to celebrate at end of season according to certain Retards in this fan base, if you raise concerns