Arsenal manager - Is Mikel Arteta the right choice?

[Amjid Javed]

Yup, it is either Throttle or Bottle in the later stages of the season.

I still maintain that lackluster performances of Man U & Chelsea have considerably helped mask Arteta's inept management and inability to handle pressure during wks 30 to 38, let alone the Champions League.

Arteta is no doubt thinking about other career options right now.

In any given season or time period at least 2 out of the top 6 have been poor, so I don't really buy into that part.

Ultimately a manager at any club can do a decent job rebuilding and competing etc.. but then comes a stage where you have to prove you can take a team over the line. Arteta is not that guy.

Hes better off going to Rangers in summer, he's an ex player and he can manage in a league that's his level and maybe win an SPL title

 

[Technics 1210]

You can “maintain” your ignorance all you want but I will also “maintain” my decision to take you to school on this over and over again.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

The only skooling here is on Arteta and his fanboys from overseas.

 

[Amjid Javed]

So Alonso has won Leverkusen 1st ever title, in the German Cup final, europa league 1/4 finals.

But there is an Arteta cheerleader calling Arteta best young manager

Stupidity at highest level

 

[aboveandbeyond]

So Alonso has won Leverkusen 1st ever title, in the German Cup final, europa league 1/4 finals.

But there is an Arteta cheerleader calling Arteta best young manager

Stupidity at highest level

Yep. Alonso is quality. To be honest Naiglesman also is way better . Bayern are paying the price for sacking him.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Yep. Alonso is quality. To be honest Naiglesman also is way better . Bayern are paying the price for sacking him.

Not a fan of Naiglesman. He gives me Graham Potter vibes. I think he's good at smaller clubs.

Alonso will only get better with time.

Leverkusen had only won 2 trophies in their history, yesterday was their 3rd and 1st league title. They have won it ease.

 

[Mamoon]

So Alonso has won Leverkusen 1st ever title, in the German Cup final, europa league 1/4 finals.

But there is an Arteta cheerleader calling Arteta best young manager

Stupidity at highest level

Alonso real test will come next season now that there are expectations and his team is expected to keep this up and also make an impact in the UCL.

There is a world of difference between taking over Arsenal when they are at their lowest ebb with a toxic fan base and taking over a family friendly, docile club like Leverkusen that had never won a single league title in their history.

Let Alonso prove himself at a big club under pressure like Arteta has and then we can compare.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Yep. Alonso is quality. To be honest Naiglesman also is way better . Bayern are paying the price for sacking him.

Didn't expect this brilliance from Xabi.

 

[Amjid Javed]

so Arteta bhangra fan club chairmen thinks Alonso needs to prove himself .

This season will be 4 seasons without a trophy for Arsenal and zero cup finals.

Mr zero ball knowledge needs to stop embarrassing himself, worshipping Arteta like some sort of messiah

 

[Mamoon]

so Arteta bhangra fan club chairmen thinks Alonso needs to prove himself .

This season will be 4 seasons without a trophy for Arsenal and zero cup finals.

Mr zero ball knowledge needs to stop embarrassing himself, worshipping Arteta like some sort of messiah

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Not this trophies rubbish again.

Who had a better season? Arsenal 22/23, 23/24 or United 22/23?

The answer is easy. Arsenal. For clubs like Arsenal and United, winning domestic cups means nothing if you are challenging for the title.

Winning an FA Cup or league cup in isolation does nothing for the club.

Arsenal won 3 FA Cups in 4 years under Wenger and yet Arsenal fans including yourself wanted him sacked because they and you knew that it wasn’t good enough because the club wasn’t fighting for the title.

This and the last season for Arsenal have been better than any of the FA Cup winning seasons between 2014-2020 because fighting for the title is better than struggling to finish 5th and winning a domestic cup.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I suggest comedy starts writing his apology, rather then repeating same nonsense.

We will see whether is stick to word and written apology or hide like a coward and more excuses like end of last season

 

[Amjid Javed]

So Alonso took over a relegation threatened leverkusen. Now has won the title in his 1st full season, could also go the entire league invincible.

Still unbeaten in German cup and europa league this season. So could win a treble and be invincible.

Yet Arteta fan boy response

But but he's not under pressure

But but he needs to prove himself in CL

In comparison Arteta has been humilated in europa league 3 times. Not reached a cup final in 4 seasons. Bottled a top 4 race and bottled 1 PL title, soon to be 2.

I suggest someone pulls their their trousers up and stops showing the backside and embarrassing themselves like the that they are

Arteta 1st full season he was losing at home to wolves, Burnley and Leicester.

 

[KingKhanWC]

@Mamoon

Excellent analysis on Emery v Arteta . Bayern did something similar in the first leg too .

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Mamoon

Excellent analysis on Emery v Arteta . Bayern did something similar in the first leg too .

Not 1st time Emery has schooled Areta and won't be the last. When it comes to pressure end of season Arteta just defaults to cone distributor and orange bib collector settings.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not 1st time Emery has schooled Areta and won't be the last. When it comes to pressure end of season Arteta just defaults to cone distributor and orange bib collector settings.

Bayern at home , work to a solid plan . Arteta must ensure his midfield is on its game . The team looks a bit tired but it’s a huge chance to make semis , Bayern are still open at the back . Arsenal should start fast & go for goals, because they tire as the game goes on .

 

[Amjid Javed]

4th trophyless season in a row on its way..

But but.. trophies don't matter...

But but he was Peps assistant for 3 seasons...

But but Alonso needs to prove himself in CL

4 seasons without a single cup final

Comedy get writing your apology or will see if you run off to cricket forum again like gutless coward you are...

 

[Amjid Javed]

Time for Arteta to be sacked

Wasting money in summer on donkeys like havertz is a stackable offence in itself, where was big game player tonight nowhere to be seen

 

[topspin]

Time for Arteta to be sacked

Wasting money in summer on donkeys like havertz is a stackable offence in itself, where was big game player tonight nowhere to be seen

If Arsenal fall short of winning the PL (which is almost certain) then yes I completely agree, it's a sackable offence. Just like Pepe's signing was for Raul Sanllehi, when he was bought for 70m+.

There needs to be an inquiry as to why Havertz was signed for such a high fee and why he was given the biggest pay package out of all the players in the club.

I knew the Havertz signing was always going to come back to bite Arteta in the backside. We don't have a specialist number 8 because he let Xhaka go, nor do we have a clinical number 9. Arsenal have thrown £65m down the drain for someone who'll never be good enough to become a permanent starter for Arsenal in the long run.

 

[ads101]

I’d still stick with Arteta. It is fustrating bottling and not getting over the line. But Arsenal have not looked this good for decades. He has developed a style of play, both the defence and attack both look good with the best goal difference. There is progression. The money has largely been spent well when you compare to other teams.

There’s just no point of ripping it up and starting afresh with a new manager at this point. There is just too much going right for Arsenal, when for decades it was going badly wrong. Lack of silverware is annoying, but being in a title race is better than fa cups.

Klopp, Xabi Alonso, Pep are better. But they aren’t coming to Arsenal, so I think Arteta is still the best person at this stage.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Arsenal were clueless. A 3-0 scoreline would not have flattered Bayern.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Not a fan of Naiglesman. He gives me Graham Potter vibes. I think he's good at smaller clubs.

Alonso will only get better with time.

Leverkusen had only won 2 trophies in their history, yesterday was their 3rd and 1st league title. They have won it ease.

Naiglesman is class. Bayern realise they made a blunder sacking him, hence offering him the job again!

 

[Amjid Javed]

I’d still stick with Arteta. It is fustrating bottling and not getting over the line. But Arsenal have not looked this good for decades. He has developed a style of play, both the defence and attack both look good with the best goal difference. There is progression. The money has largely been spent well when you compare to other teams.

There’s just no point of ripping it up and starting afresh with a new manager at this point. There is just too much going right for Arsenal, when for decades it was going badly wrong. Lack of silverware is annoying, but being in a title race is better than fa cups.

Klopp, Xabi Alonso, Pep are better. But they aren’t coming to Arsenal, so I think Arteta is still the best person at this stage.

Spoken like a true loser, this is why this club will keep falling short. Because fans like you and mamoon and few others who are happy with mediocrity and failure.

Teams are judge on trophies they win not what title races or failed cup runs they produce.

Also who said if manager is sacked, the club is going to rip things up and start again? That's just plain dumb.

Any decent competent manager would win trophies with this squad. Arteta is out of his depth and a bottle job as as some fans who keep making same excuses

 

[Amjid Javed]

Naiglesman is class. Bayern realise they made a blunder sacking him, hence offering him the job again!

Bayern wanted Alonso and he said No, naiglesman is just the German version of Graham Potter.

 

[topspin]

Spoken like a true loser, this is why this club will keep falling short. Because fans like you and mamoon and few others who are happy with mediocrity and failure.

Teams are judge on trophies they win not what title races or failed cup runs they produce.

Also who said if manager is sacked, the club is going to rip things up and start again? That's just plain dumb.

Any decent competent manager would win trophies with this squad. Arteta is out of his depth and a bottle job as as some fans who keep making same excuses

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results - Einstein

 

[ads101]

Spoken like a true loser, this is why this club will keep falling short. Because fans like you and mamoon and few others who are happy with mediocrity and failure.

Teams are judge on trophies they win not what title races or failed cup runs they produce.

Also who said if manager is sacked, the club is going to rip things up and start again? That's just plain dumb.

Any decent competent manager would win trophies with this squad. Arteta is out of his depth and a bottle job as as some fans who keep making same excuses

No need to be rude with that loser talk.

A new manager often doesn’t just take over like that and improve. Look at Chelsea and Man Utd. Just doesn’t happen. Pep and Klopp didnt take over projects they built it up from the ground. A new manager can come in and the team goes into reverse gear and all that progress wasted.

The team is better than last season. It is defensively better and at the beginning of the year it re found its offense. If the team is constantly improving it will eventually get its goal. If next season Arsenal is worse, I would then pull the trigger and change the manager. It is so easy to ruin a club, look at Chelsea and Man Utd. The bottling is frustrating but it wasn’t even in arsenal’s hand to win for decades. Things have now changed in the last 2 years.

Silverware is important. But most fans would rather be in a title race at this point. That’s the most important thing winning the league (or cl). I don’t think many would want to go back to not being in a sniff of winning the league but winning the odd fa cup. If that was a priority wenger never should have left.

Patience is needed. Spent decades going nowhere under wenger. Not totally wengers fault, partly lack of spending. That was the time to change. A whole decade of going nowhere was tolerated.

It has been 2 years in a row with the club going in the right direction, challenging for the title. Patience is needed here, not in the previous decade. Arteta was poor for the first two years of his career and could have been sacked. But what he has shown in the last 2 years and more importantly what is current isn’t grounds to sack right now IMO.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Arteta ‘we were better than them’ . Lol

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arteta ‘we were better than them’ . Lol

Delusion at its finest, just like the cheerleaders that keep backing this fraud

 

[Amjid Javed]

No need to be rude with that loser talk.

A new manager often doesn’t just take over like that and improve. Look at Chelsea and Man Utd. Just doesn’t happen. Pep and Klopp didnt take over projects they built it up from the ground. A new manager can come in and the team goes into reverse gear and all that progress wasted.

The team is better than last season. It is defensively better and at the beginning of the year it re found its offense. If the team is constantly improving it will eventually get its goal. If next season Arsenal is worse, I would then pull the trigger and change the manager. It is so easy to ruin a club, look at Chelsea and Man Utd. The bottling is frustrating but it wasn’t even in arsenal’s hand to win for decades. Things have now changed in the last 2 years.

Silverware is important. But most fans would rather be in a title race at this point. That’s the most important thing winning the league (or cl). I don’t think many would want to go back to not being in a sniff of winning the league but winning the odd fa cup. If that was a priority wenger never should have left.

Patience is needed. Spent decades going nowhere under wenger. Not totally wengers fault, partly lack of spending. That was the time to change. A whole decade of going nowhere was tolerated.

It has been 2 years in a row with the club going in the right direction, challenging for the title. Patience is needed here, not in the previous decade. Arteta was poor for the first two years of his career and could have been sacked. But what he has shown in the last 2 years and more importantly what is current isn’t grounds to sack right now IMO.

Zero Cup finals in 4 season

Embarrassing toothless, gutless exits in european completions

Every season for last 4 season - Arsenal have got to march / April and then bottled it under pressure.

The "toxic" players removed etc.

"Crap players on high wages got rid of"

"Mentality change"

Asorts of other nonsense spewed out as well. Arsenal had chance in summer to improve the midfield and striker positions and the fraud of a manager decided to buy a donkey in havertz. One of Highest paid players in squad and nowhere to be seen when it was needed.

The continuing persisted with liabilities in Zinchenko, Jesus etc..

All of Arsenal so called attacking options their isn't a single decent top quality starting striker, that's on the manager.

So you can dress up all the progrss nonsense All you want, facts are this will be trophyless season number 4.

For the losers in the fan base and in this thread. I won't name atleast 4 of you, that come to mind. The same excuses will be rolled out.

This team has no plan B under pressure, and hasn't in any of the last 4 seasons. The so called improved mentality is hilarious. The lame weak performance vs villa and Bayern are no different to sporting Lisbon, brighton, Southampton etc.. last season

When the manager keep using same failed tactics under pressure, hoping that they suddenly will work shows how out of depth he is.

Plenty of managers out there who could come in. Get rid of the dead bench players, few new signings and would win trophies.

But the losers in fan base who think "competing" and "bottling" is what fans want just shows how low in gutter most losers standards are.

Stop using Chelsea / United as examples. Arsenal ain't exactly rolling in trophies in last 5 seasons

 

[BouncerGuy]

Arteta urges Arsenal to use Bayern 'pain' to fuel title bid

Mikel Arteta has urged Arsenal to use the "pain" of the Champions League quarter-final exit against Bayern Munich to fuel their Premier League title bid.

Arteta's side failed to clinch a first semi-final appearance since 2009 as Joshua Kimmich's second half header gave Bayern a 1-0 second leg win and a 3-2 aggregate success.

It was a bitter evening in Munich for Arteta and his players, who had dreamed of leading Arsenal to their maiden Champions League crown.

After a blistering run carried them to the top of the Premier League and into the Champions League last eight, Arsenal have endured a nightmare week.

They were below their best in the 2-2 first leg draw with Bayern, then surrendered pole position in the Premier League after conceding two late goals in a 2-0 home defeat against Aston Villa on Sunday.

After producing another underwhelming display in Germany, Arteta has to find a way to lift his team's shattered morale in time for a last push for the English title.

"We were very close, that is the reality. It's painful, but we have to learn from this. We had our moments, especially in the first half," Arteta said.

"The players gave their best, we didn't have that magical moment that we need in the competition.

"In the first leg, we conceded two avoidable goals, which had a significant impact on the draw.

"We were still alive when we arrived here. The margins are so fine. A mistake or a moment makes the difference."

After a lengthy absence from the Champions League, Arsenal largely acquitted themselves well.

They won their group ahead of PSV Eindhoven, Lens and Sevilla before beating Porto on the penalties in the last 16.

But Arteta conceded a lack of experience in the latter stages of the competition proved a key factor against Bayern, six-time European champions who are perennial contenders for the trophy.

"We haven't been in this position for 14 years, we haven't played in the Champions League for seven years. There's a reason for that. Today's match will make us better," he said.

"I think we have the capacity and the quality to be in the semi-final. When you look historically, it took other clubs seven, eight or 10 years to do it in the Champions League.

"It's easy to praise the players and talk nice things when we win 10 in a row and one draw (in the Premier League)

"The moment is now to be behind them and be next to them."

Arsenal have little time to lick their wounds, with the title race approaching a gripping conclusion.

Arteta's side are in second place, two points behind leaders Man City.

Third placed Liverpool trail Arsenal on goal difference, with all three clubs having six games left.

With City playing Chelsea in the FA Cup semi-finals this weekend, the Gunners have a chance to return to first place if they win at Wolves on Saturday.

Arteta has told his tired troops to embrace the opportunity to chase Arsenal's first Premier League crown for 20 years.

"What we have to play for (in the Premier League) is still beautiful. We have six games to go and we are two points behind City," he said.

"It's a very difficult schedule for everybody. We have to go through the pain tonight, and tomorrow get up and come with the same attitude that we came with here.

"I can guarantee you by tomorrow we're fully focused on Wolves and everybody is lifted."

SOURCE: https://www.thedailystar.net/sports...rsenal-use-bayern-pain-fuel-title-bid-3589706

 

[Kroll]

Arteta wants 'support and love' after the CL exit. Perhaps the 180 IQ man can message him directly.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arteta wants 'support and love' after the CL exit. Perhaps the 180 IQ man can message him directly.

But but there is no shame losing 3-2 bayern...

But but Arteta will learn from his mistakes...

But but he was peps assistant for 3 seasons...

 

[shaz619]

We all await the written apology after the season ends

 

[shaz619]

Arteta wants 'support and love' after the CL exit. Perhaps the 180 IQ man can message him directly.

Arteta wants love and saaapport

Meanwhile some people are like this in response to that:

 

[DeadlyVenom]

As a non Arsenal fan in my opinion overall he's done alright. Challenging for the league and built a reasonable team after a long time.

It's up to the fans to work out whether it's enough or if they feel they can and should be doing better.

The league still isn't over.

 

[shaz619]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1780702907471675812

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

As a non Arsenal fan in my opinion overall he's done alright. Challenging for the league and built a reasonable team after a long time.

It's up to the fans to work out whether it's enough or if they feel they can and should be doing better.

The league still isn't over.

I am also a non Arsenal fan, but I am saddened to see that some supporters still don't give Emery the respect he deserves. Would serve them right if his Villa team turning them over costs them the title.

 

[Mamoon]

@ads101

You are talking to posters who don’t know anything about football, have no patience and have no capacity to look beyond the last result.

These are the same people who wanted him sacked in 2020-2021 because they thought Arteta would never have Arsenal challenging for the title.

Even the blind can see that massive progress Arsenal have made from 2019 to date but these people refuse to give credit because they never thought that he had the chops to be a manager in the first place.

Nonetheless, I wouldn’t use Klopp and Alonso as a stick to beat him with. Pep is the GOAT no doubt, but Klopp is massively overrated.

In spite of the fact that he was up against Pep’s City, he should have won more than 1 PL title in 10 years with the quality of players that he has had at his disposal. Moreover, the 2020/21 and 2022/23 seasons are massive blots on his Liverpool legacy.

If Arteta spends 10 years at Arsenal and Pep is still there, I will be very disappointed if he wins only one league title.

As far as Alonso is concerned, it is far too early to declare him better because the level of expectations and pressure of coaching Leverkusen cannot be compared with Arsenal.

Leverkusen is docile, calm club with peaceful fans and a media that is not on their throats all the time. There are no expectations and they don’t start a Bundesliga season with the expectation that they have to win.

That will change next season now that Alonso will be expected to keep this up and also make an impact in the UCL. Next season will truly reveal what Alonso is made of.

Besides, coaching Leverkusen is not the same as coaching Arsenal or United or Liverpool or Bayern or PSG. Look at Emery - he has looked like a top manager at every middling club - Sevilla, Valencia, Villarreal, Aston Villa but he coached two big clubs and he looked completely out of his depth.

Some managers are not cut for the top clubs. I personally think Alonso is, but he needs to prove it first before I can rank him higher than Arteta.

I don’t think he would have done a better job than Arteta at Arsenal if he was appointed the coach in 2019.

 

[Mamoon]

I am also a non Arsenal fan, but I am saddened to see that some supporters still don't give Emery the respect he deserves. Would serve them right if his Villa team turning them over costs them the title.

Why would they give Emery respect when Emery was given the chance to usher a new era post Wenger and he fumbled it?

I don’t think Emery deserves any more credit that what he has received. In his career so far he has proved to be one of those managers who look really good until they get snapped up by a bigger club.

He had two shots at managing clubs that were operating or intended to operate at the highest level and he failed both times.

He is perfect for a club like Villa whose fans will never demand a title race or frequent appearances in the Champions League. He is perfect for teams that are happy to finish anywhere between 4th and 7th with the odd win vs the top 4 sides.

Emery is in his comfort zone at Villa and good for him. He cut a miserable figure at Arsenal because he didn’t have the chops to meet the expectations of the club and the fans.

It was the same at PSG. PSG wanted him to win them the UCL. They thought his brilliant record in the Europa League would help him conquer the UCL but they thought wrong, and Arsenal thought his tactical acumen would help the club re-establish itself as a title contender but he couldn’t handle the pressure.

I fail to see why people are bothered by the fact that Arsenal fans don’t respect or rate him. There is no absolutely no reason why they and PSG fans should hold him in high regard.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I am also a non Arsenal fan, but I am saddened to see that some supporters still don't give Emery the respect he deserves. Would serve them right if his Villa team turning them over costs them the title.

Only person not giving Emery respect is the comedy that worships the Arteta statue in his garden.

 

[Amjid Javed]

But but Alonso needs to prove himself in CL..

Bur but Arsenal should be proud after losing 3-2 bayern

But but why should I apologise

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why would they give Emery respect when Emery was given the chance to usher a new era post Wenger and he fumbled it?

I don’t think Emery deserves any more credit that what he has received. In his career so far he has proved to be one of those managers who look really good until they get snapped up by a bigger club.

He had two shots at managing clubs that were operating or intended to operate at the highest level and he failed both times.

He is perfect for a club like Villa whose fans will never demand a title race or frequent appearances in the Champions League. He is perfect for teams that are happy to finish anywhere between 4th and 7th with the odd win vs the top 4 sides.

Emery is in his comfort zone at Villa and good for him. He cut a miserable figure at Arsenal because he didn’t have the chops to meet the expectations of the club and the fans.

It was the same at PSG. PSG wanted him to win them the UCL. They thought his brilliant record in the Europa League would help him conquer the UCL but they thought wrong, and Arsenal thought his tactical acumen would help the club re-establish itself as a title contender but he couldn’t handle the pressure.

I fail to see why people are bothered by the fact that Arsenal fans don’t respect or rate him. There is no absolutely no reason why they and PSG fans should hold him in high regard.

PSG are a joke of a club, not sure why you would use them as a yardstick. Not only their recruitment of players, but also their recruitment of managers has been handled terribly.

Arsenal didn't really give Emery a chance either. They allowed the clueless and impatient British media to poke fun at his accent with their moronic "Good ebening" jokes instead of letting his coaching knowledge be the true measure.

We still don't really know if Emery can be a manager of the biggest clubs, but then we don't know if Arteta can be either. The only time we got to see them both go head to head was in the game last week where Emery derailed Arteta's title bid, possibly terminally.

 

[Amjid Javed]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1780702907471675812

Don't worry a certain will rank 4 season without a trophy over winning a Bundesliga title

But but Arteta this... but but Arteta that..

Get writing your apology

 

[Amjid Javed]

@topspin @Kroll @KingKhanWC @MK7Z @Technics 1210 @shaz619

As expected the excuses are being rolled out by Arteta fan boy..

Anyone think he was going to apologize a leopard never changes it spots

 

[Amjid Javed]

PSG are a joke of a club, not sure why you would use them as a yardstick. Not only their recruitment of players, but also their recruitment of managers has been handled terribly.

Arsenal didn't really give Emery a chance either. They allowed the clueless and impatient British media to poke fun at his accent with their moronic "Good ebening" jokes instead of letting his coaching knowledge be the true measure.

We still don't really know if Emery can be a manager of the biggest clubs, but then we don't know if Arteta can be either. The only time we got to see them both go head to head was in the game last week where Emery derailed Arteta's title bid, possibly terminally.

Arteta fan boy judges other managers on what they won or don't win

Yet at same time this judges Arteta on ifs, buts and maybes .

Utter contradiction nonsense

 

[shaz619]

@topspin @Kroll @KingKhanWC @MK7Z @Technics 1210 @shaz619

As expected the excuses are being rolled out by Arteta fan boy..

Anyone think he was going to apologize a leopard never changes it spots

If the season doesn’t end well I will make it my mission to retrieve the apology it will be PP/TMZ exclusive

I guess mathematically you’re still in it right….?

 

[Amjid Javed]

But but if Alonso took over in 2019 he wouldn't have achieved same things

Yet another masterful gem from Arteta fan boy

Arteta 1st full season

Finished 8th
FA cup - 4th round
LC - 1/4 finals
Europa - semis

Arsenal won 1 game in 11 in PL, lost at home to Burnley, Leicester and wolves

Arsenal failed to qualify for Europe at end of season, 1st time in 20+ years..

Yeah I'm sure Alonso would have struggled to top that..

But but I'm going to drown you in your old posts...

 

[Amjid Javed]

If the season doesn’t end well I will make it my mission to retrieve the apology it will be PP/TMZ exclusive

I guess mathematically you’re still in it right….?

Mamoon is getting chocked slammed like the final boss did by the undertaker at wrestemania

 

[Mamoon]

PSG are a joke of a club, not sure why you would use them as a yardstick. Not only their recruitment of players, but also their recruitment of managers has been handled terribly.

Arsenal didn't really give Emery a chance either. They allowed the clueless and impatient British media to poke fun at his accent with their moronic "Good ebening" jokes instead of letting his coaching knowledge be the true measure.

We still don't really know if Emery can be a manager of the biggest clubs, but then we don't know if Arteta can be either. The only time we got to see them both go head to head was in the game last week where Emery derailed Arteta's title bid, possibly terminally.

Emery bottled a 4-0 lead vs Barcelona in the UCL and conceded the league to Monaco. There was absolutely no way PSG was going to trust him after that.

PSG may not be the best run club in the world but you can’t expect them to show patience with a manager who reached the ultimate lows like Emery did.

Arsenal gave him 18 months. That is more than ample time to convince the owners that you are the right man for the long-term. Emery failed to do that.

Arsenal is one of those clubs that doesn’t pay much heed to the media and fan criticism. If they did, they would have sacked Wenger long before he left and they would also have sacked Arteta in 2020/2021 instead of giving him a new contract.

Emery had 18 months to convince the club that they could trust him for the long haul and had he done that, he would still be managing Arsenal.

The difference between the first 18 months of Emery and the first 18 months of Arteta is very clear and this why Arteta was persisted with while Emery was given the boot and rightly so.

 

[Mamoon]

But but if Alonso took over in 2019 he wouldn't have achieved same things

Yet another masterful gem from Arteta fan boy

Arteta 1st full season

Finished 8th
FA cup - 4th round
LC - 1/4 finals
Europa - semis

Arsenal won 1 game in 11 in PL, lost at home to Burnley, Leicester and wolves

Arsenal failed to qualify for Europe at end of season, 1st time in 20+ years..

Yeah I'm sure Alonso would have struggled to top that..

But but I'm going to drown you in your old posts...

News flash - im going to drown you in your own tears Arteta fan boy

More rubbish.

Good things take time. When Klopp took over at Liverpool in 2015-16, they ended up finishing 8th even though Klopp took over as early as October.

It took Klopp 3 years to build a team that could fight for the title. The same amount of time Arteta took to build a team that could fight for the title.

Arsenal was a broken club when he replaced the mediocre Emery. A club with compromised standards on and off the pitch.

A club with overpaid, average footballers who didn’t care. A club with a dead atmosphere and with a broken relationship between the fans and the club.

Arteta took that team and transformed them into title contenders and improved the football on the pitch by ten folds.

The fact that he is still getting criticized shows how ungrateful and how impatient Arsenal fans. He is the sole reason they are dreaming of winning the title again but somehow Arteta is the problem and holding the the club back.

What a bunch of ignorant . There is no doubt Arsenal have the worst fans in the England.

 

[Kroll]

@topspin @Kroll @KingKhanWC @MK7Z @Technics 1210 @shaz619

As expected the excuses are being rolled out by Arteta fan boy..

Anyone think he was going to apologize a leopard never changes it spots

Oh my my, Arteta DeSerVes tHiS hUmIlIaTIoN

 

[Mamoon]

What should I apologize for?

Should I apologize for Arteta taking over an out of sorts club that was struggling to stay in the top half and had a toxic culture and transformed them into title contenders?

Should I apologize for Arteta converting a team that didn’t know anything about defending into the most defensively resolute side in the league?

Should I apologize for Arteta doing so much better than Chelsea and United in spite of spending less money than them and inheriting a team that was in worse shape than them, and for closing the gap with City while spending less money than City even though they already had a champion team in 2019?

I have given numerous options - please tell me what should I apologize for.

The only people who need to apologize are 0% ball knowledge fans who wanted Arteta sacked three years ago and claimed that Arsenal will never fight for the title and improve under him.

The fact that people want to judge success and failure by winning or not winning the league is absolutely hilarious because Arteta has already proved them wrong by doing much better than what they expected him to do.

Go back to the 2020-2021 period when people were calling Arteta to be sacked - no one thought or expected him to take Arsenal where they are today. Not in their wildest dreams.

As a result of the over the top criticism fueled by ignorance and short-term vision, these fans refuse to give him credit and acknowledge that he has proved them wrong because they lack the courage to do so. As a result, they keep shifting the goalposts and keep redefining the parameters of success.

 

[Amjid Javed]

so Arteta fan boy said earlier in season that if Arsenal ended season trophyless he would apologize.

Now he's making excuses after excuse.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Since winning FA cup, Arsenal have failed to win the 17 trophies available in last 4 seasons. Zero finals in that time as well.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What should I apologize for?

Should I apologize for Arteta taking over an out of sorts club that was struggling to stay in the top half and had a toxic culture and transformed them into title contenders?

Should I apologize for Arteta converting a team that didn’t know anything about defending into the most defensively resolute side in the league?

Should I apologize for Arteta doing so much better than Chelsea and United in spite of spending less money than them and inheriting a team that was in worse shape than them, and for closing the gap with City while spending less money than City even though they already had a champion team in 2019?

I have given numerous options - please tell me what should I apologize for.

The only people who need to apologize are 0% ball knowledge fans who wanted Arteta sacked three years ago and claimed that Arsenal will never fight for the title and improve under him.

The fact that people want to judge success and failure by winning or not winning the league is absolutely hilarious because Arteta has already proved them wrong by doing much better than what they expected him to do.

Go back to the 2020-2021 period when people were calling Arteta to be sacked - no one thought or expected him to take Arsenal where they are today. Not in their wildest dreams.

As a result of the over the top criticism fueled by ignorance and short-term vision, these fans refuse to give him credit and acknowledge that he has proved them wrong because they lack the courage to do so. As a result, they keep shifting the goalposts and keep redefining the parameters of success.

If you promised to apologise if Arteta wins ZERO trophies , it’s only right you should but In fairness allowed to wait until PL is over .

As a fan you believe progress is success or a successful season for a manger .

Other fans believe winning sliverware is only success.

You keep reminding others , Arsenal is the 3rd biggest club , success is winning if this is the case .

Arteta is still learning on the job , as witnessed last night . He’s bought some good but majority overrated players . His tactics are often poor . On the plus side he’s made Arsenal are secure top 4 team with a solid defence.

Those who saw the great Arsenal side under wenger surely can’t enjoy watching this lot at the business end ?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I am also a non Arsenal fan, but I am saddened to see that some supporters still don't give Emery the respect he deserves. Would serve them right if his Villa team turning them over costs them the title.

Yeah he had been pigeon holed as a Europa League/ UEFA cup specialist so they felt he couldn't take them to the next level.

I think deep down many Arsenal fans like losing and being able to rant and rave.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If you promised to apologise if Arteta wins ZERO trophies , it’s only right you should but In fairness allowed to wait until PL is over .

As a fan you believe progress is success or a successful season for a manger .

Other fans believe winning sliverware is only success.

You keep reminding others , Arsenal is the 3rd biggest club , success is winning if this is the case .

Arteta is still learning on the job , as witnessed last night . He’s bought some good but majority overrated players . His tactics are often poor . On the plus side he’s made Arsenal are secure top 4 team with a solid defence.

Those who saw the great Arsenal side under wenger surely can’t enjoy watching this lot at the business end ?

Finishing 2nd or 3rd - not winning any cups is the yard stick for this loser

Then he wants to go on about Arsenal being 3rd most successful club.

Nothing more then contradictory nonsense to hide behind his blind faith in a bottle job manager

 

[RagingJ]

As much as Arteta may have made good strides and improvements, he's definitely has peaked with this team.

He's still not been able to solve Arsenal's striker problem, despite having a performing squad, backing, and now the finances. This is a big failure on his part.

 

[KingKhanWC]

As much as Arteta may have made good strides and improvements, he's definitely has peaked with this team.

He's still not been able to solve Arsenal's striker problem, despite having a performing squad, backing, and now the finances. This is a big failure on his part.

If Arteta bought a top striker eg Tony or Watkins level (not them necessarily) , instead of Havertz, would Arsenal be in a stronger position in the league & still in CL?

 

[Technics 1210]

What should I apologize for?

Should I apologize for Arteta taking over an out of sorts club that was struggling to stay in the top half and had a toxic culture and transformed them into title contenders?

Should I apologize for Arteta converting a team that didn’t know anything about defending into the most defensively resolute side in the league?

Should I apologize for Arteta doing so much better than Chelsea and United in spite of spending less money than them and inheriting a team that was in worse shape than them, and for closing the gap with City while spending less money than City even though they already had a champion team in 2019?

I have given numerous options - please tell me what should I apologize for.

The only people who need to apologize are 0% ball knowledge fans who wanted Arteta sacked three years ago and claimed that Arsenal will never fight for the title and improve under him.

The fact that people want to judge success and failure by winning or not winning the league is absolutely hilarious because Arteta has already proved them wrong by doing much better than what they expected him to do.

Go back to the 2020-2021 period when people were calling Arteta to be sacked - no one thought or expected him to take Arsenal where they are today. Not in their wildest dreams.

As a result of the over the top criticism fueled by ignorance and short-term vision, these fans refuse to give him credit and acknowledge that he has proved them wrong because they lack the courage to do so. As a result, they keep shifting the goalposts and keep redefining the parameters of success.

The sound of Arsenal's season crumbling.

Arteta says Arsenal need 'support and love' after Champions League exit

 

[RagingJ]

If Arteta bought a top striker eg Tony or Watkins level (not them necessarily) , instead of Havertz, would Arsenal be in a stronger position in the league & still in CL?

Maybe, but he's also still not found a decent keeper or left back.

These areas have been known needing improvements for several years. The last decent keeper they had was a washed up Cech.

 

[Kroll]

so Arteta fan boy said earlier in season that if Arsenal ended season trophyless he would apologize.

Now he's making excuses after excuse.

Oh, not sure why shooting himself in the foot like this despite being 180 IQ?! First it was the decree of titles in the bag, now looking likely the apology statement about to backfire in spectacular fashion for this season.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Maybe, but he's also still not found a decent keeper or left back.

These areas have been known needing improvements for several years. The last decent keeper they had was a washed up Cech.

We had emi martinez, but Arteta decide to get rid

 

[Amjid Javed]

The sound of Arsenal's season crumbling.

Arteta says Arsenal need 'support and love' after Champions League exit

Certain poster will need love and support after he runs off and hides after 2nd season in a row humiliation.

 

[Mamoon]

@KingKhanWC @Amjid Javed

I don’t recall making any such promise that I will apologize if Arsenal don’t win anything this season.

Please quote the post so that we can review what I said and in what context. If you fail to quote the post(s) then I will demand an apology for lying.

@KingKhanWC you mentioned that those who saw the great Arsenal side under Wenger would not enjoy this, but you need to understand that those of us who watched the Invincibles also say the next 15 years of complete and utter mediocrity where Arsenal made a grand total of one attempt to winning the league (2007-08).

The standards of the club were compromised to the point where finishing 4th became a trophy for the club. Until 2013, Arsenal were operating under financial restrictions but in the last 5 years under Wenger, the club had the financial power to at least fight for the title and they only time they got anywhere close, they lost it to Leicester.

Wenger failed both domestically and in Europe and those who harp about winning trophies negate their own argument by the fact that Wenger won 3 FA Cups in his last 4 years but Arsenal fans still wanted him gone because he was not fighting for the league.

Winning FA Cups and league cups do nothing for the top 4-5 clubs in England because if you are Arsenal or Liverpool or United or Chelsea or Man City, you have to fight for the title every season and anything less than that is a failure no matter how many domestic cups you win.

Arsenal won 4 FA Cups between 2014 and 2020 but this season and last season are the two best seasons Arsenal have had in 15 years because they have fought for the title, and Arteta made it possible.

United won the league cup last season but not a single United fan would view it as a successful season. When you win a domestic cup but not fight for the title, it does nothing for the club and it shows that there is no progression and it also shows that the club would need an overhaul to become title contenders again.

As a Liverpool fan, would you be content with winning the FA cup for the next 10 years straight but not compete for the PL in any of those seasons? Of course not.

Arsenal is the third most successful club in English football and Arsenal’s identity as a highly respected institution of English football is based on the fact that only United and Liverpool have won more first division titles.

No one really cares that Arsenal have won the FA Cup more times than anyone else and that doesn’t define Arsenal’s legacy.

If you fighting for the PL title, no one gives a toss about how you are performing in domestic cups and if you are winning domestic cups and not fighting for the PL title, no one still gives a toss.

For me, 10 seasons of finishing second and fighting for the title are more valuable than 10 seasons of winning domestic cups but not fighting for the title.

I would prefer winning the league over the UCL any day, but winning the UCL is the only thing that surpasses a title challenge.

Arteta is the only reason why Arsenal are back in a position where they are fighting for the league title and not winning the league would feel like a disappointment.

Arteta is the only reason why losing 3-2 on aggregate to Bayern in the UCL feels like a disappointment.

Arteta raised the bar, raised the standards and raised the expectations but deluded fans would tell you that he is the problem.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Oh, not sure why shooting himself in the foot like this despite being 180 IQ?! First it was the decree of titles in the bag, now looking likely the apology statement about to backfire in spectacular fashion for this season.

He enjoys running his mouth and then being humilated.

His in the bag comment last season has been surpassed with the "trophies doesn't matter" nonsense this season..

Everyone know he will run off again at end of season...

 

[Amjid Javed]

@KingKhanWC make sure you don't fall asleep read same copy paste nonsense from Arteta cheerleader

"Supposedly finish 2nd now is an achievement over silverware"

@topspin - add this to the list of gems from this

 

[Amjid Javed]

If Arteta bought a top striker eg Tony or Watkins level (not them necessarily) , instead of Havertz, would Arsenal be in a stronger position in the league & still in CL?

No they would still bottle it under this manager. This guy wasted a prime Auba when he took over.

When your team crumbles 4 seasons in a row in April due to poor tactics, squad management it don't matter what strikers you have.

Arteta is a bigger bottle job then poch and brendon rogers

 

[Amjid Javed]

As much as Arteta may have made good strides and improvements, he's definitely has peaked with this team.

He's still not been able to solve Arsenal's striker problem, despite having a performing squad, backing, and now the finances. This is a big failure on his part.

100% spot on, when at pressure end of season your making same mistakes tactically, poor squad management and creating a weak mentality its no shock.

This is just like when Claudia raneri was at Chelsea, Rogers at Liverpool.

But most of the Arteta cheerleaders think bottling it every April is suddenly going to change

Arsenal don't have a big club mentality under this fraud manager

 

[Mamoon]

@Amjid Javed Please quote the post where I promised to apologize if Arsenal don’t win a trophy this season or apologize for lying. You have two options.

 

[Technics 1210]

@Mamoon How are you celebrating Arsenal's Champions League exit?

 

[Mamoon]

It appears that @Amjid Javed has bailed out as always.

Perhaps @topspin @KingKhanWC @Technics 1210 @Kroll @shaz619 you lot can help him find the post where I promised to apologize if Arsenal don’t win a trophy this season?

If you fail, I would expect an apology from all 6 of you for lying.

 

[Technics 1210]

It appears that @Amjid Javed has bailed out as always.

Perhaps @topspin @KingKhanWC @Technics 1210 @Kroll @shaz619 you lot can help him find the post where I promised to apologize if Arsenal don’t win a trophy this season?

If you fail, I would expect an apology from all 6 of you for lying.

This isn't Pakistan where can demand what you want. This is England, you got to earn it.

 

[Kroll]

It appears that @Amjid Javed has bailed out as always.

Perhaps @topspin @KingKhanWC @Technics 1210 @Kroll @shaz619 you lot can help him find the post where I promised to apologize if Arsenal don’t win a trophy this season?

If you fail, I would expect an apology from all 6 of you for lying.

I've not lied, I'm just responding to conversations that an apology was offered. Besides, I think you've forfeited any responses due to your antics last season on the previous Arsenal thread. Take the loss with grace.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It appears that @Amjid Javed has bailed out as always.

Perhaps @topspin @KingKhanWC @Technics 1210 @Kroll @shaz619 you lot can help him find the post where I promised to apologize if Arsenal don’t win a trophy this season?

If you fail, I would expect an apology from all 6 of you for lying.

I wrote IF you promised …

Season isn’t over , crazy things do happen in premier league . Wolves won’t be an easy 3 points, they are fresh while Arsenal players need to find some energy & inspiration

 

[topspin]

@KingKhanWC make sure you don't fall asleep read same copy paste nonsense from Arteta cheerleader

"Supposedly finish 2nd now is an achievement over silverware"

@topspin - add this to the list of gems from this

Acknowledged and added. Many thanks for this.

 

[Mamoon]

Acknowledged and added. Many thanks for this.

Who had a better season in 2022-23 - Arsenal or United? Justify your answer with an explanation.

I will also ask @Amjid Javed this question, hoping that he won’t bail out.

 

[topspin]

Who had a better season in 2022-23 - Arsenal or United? Justify your answer with an explanation.

I will also ask @Amjid Javed this question, hoping that he won’t bail out.

From a progression stand point - Arsenal

From a silverware perspective - Man U

Personally, I don't care about the FA Cup but I respect both views.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I've not lied, I'm just responding to conversations that an apology was offered. Besides, I think you've forfeited any responses due to your antics last season on the previous Arsenal thread. Take the loss with grace.

Well said

The guy who was all mouth last season and ran off and hid on cricket forum. Is now demanding apologies

 

[Amjid Javed]

From a progression stand point - Arsenal

From a silverware perspective - Man U

Personally, I don't care about the FA Cup but I respect both views.

Progress and projects are judged on end results which are major trophies and sucsess in Europe.

4 seasons with out a single cup final or title is a **** poor return to any sort of Progress.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Certain mediocrity cheerleaders want justification by comparing to man utd, Chelsea etc last few seasons.. I don't care bout those clubs

Between 1987 and 1994 - I've seen GG win 2 league cups, 2 titles, FA cup and euro Cup winners cup

Then seen wenger 98 to 2005 - win 3 PL titles, 2 doubles, invincibles, 4 FA Cup

 

[Mamoon]

From a progression stand point - Arsenal

From a silverware perspective - Man U

Personally, I don't care about the FA Cup but I respect both views.

Progression is the only thing that matters. Domestic cups don’t really count as silverware.

It is simply not good enough if you are a big club and you are not challenging for the title. Arsenal fans should know this more than anyone else because they won 3 FA Cups in the last 4 years of Wenger but it didn’t do anything for the club. Why? Simply because Wenger failed to establish Arsenal as title contenders.

You can have a miserable season like Arsenal in the 2010s and like United last season and still pick up silverware but it still means that there is no progression and there is no direction and you need an overhaul to fight for the title again.

Arsenal are well beyond that stage under Arteta - he has built a team that is capable of fighting for the league title. Fighting for the title and finishing second is more valuable than nothing fighting for the title and winning a domestic cup.