Arshad Khan “Chaiwala” - Discussion Thread

[street cricketer]

Honestly though, I can hardly find any real difference between a majority of Pakistanis and north Indians. Only the Pashtuns (and Baloch) look different from the group. Anyway I think it's stupid to brand "Indian" or "Pakistani" ethnicities. India, Pakistan, etc. are social constructs and it's a bit daft to group everything together. The whole south asian region is a continent, and India itself is a continent in many ways. The region has huge diversity and I think it's ridiculous to group everything together as "Indian" or "Pakistani" ethnicities.

I often hear about selective differences between Indians and Pakistanis here but I honestly can't find too many differences between a majority of Pakistanis and north Indians (and sometimes even from other parts of India). When I look at pictures of the common Pakistanis, I find no difference apart from the pashtuns who look different from the Punjabis or Sindhis. Similarly those from the Pak cricket team, only the Pathan players look different. I honestly would have believed Sharjeel or Akmal or Babar were Indian if had not seen them before. The likes of Afridi and Yasir stand out from the rest of the team. But then again, I also can't make out the difference between a French or Italian or a Polish guy, so there probably are minute differences that common people like me can't differentiate.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Honestly though, I can hardly find any real difference between a majority of Pakistanis and north Indians. Only the Pashtuns (and Baloch) look different from the group. Anyway I think it's stupid to brand "Indian" or "Pakistani" ethnicities. India, Pakistan, etc. are social constructs and it's a bit daft to group everything together. The whole south asian region is a continent, and India itself is a continent in many ways. The region has huge diversity and I think it's ridiculous to group everything together as "Indian" or "Pakistani" ethnicities.

I often hear about selective differences between Indians and Pakistanis here but I honestly can't find too many differences between a majority of Pakistanis and north Indians (and sometimes even from other parts of India). When I look at pictures of the common Pakistanis, I find no difference apart from the pashtuns who look different from the Punjabis or Sindhis. Similarly those from the Pak cricket team, only the Pathan players look different. I honestly would have believed Sharjeel or Akmal or Babar were Indian if had not seen them before. The likes of Afridi and Yasir stand out from the rest of the team. But then again, I also can't make out the difference between a French or Italian or a Polish guy, so there probably are minute differences that common people like me can't differentiate.

It is only Punjabis and UP walas that are similar to Pakistanis. People from Himachal/J&K/Uttarkhand/Rajasthan/Haryana etc are easily distinguishable.

 

[street cricketer]

It is only Punjabis and UP walas that are similar to Pakistanis. People from Himachal/J&K/Uttarkhand/Rajasthan/Haryana etc are easily distinguishable.

How to differentiate between a Haryanvi and a Punjabi?

What are the differences between the groups you have mentioned and Pakistanis?

 

[amax]

Honestly though, I can hardly find any real difference between a majority of Pakistanis and north Indians. Only the Pashtuns (and Baloch) look different from the group. Anyway I think it's stupid to brand "Indian" or "Pakistani" ethnicities. India, Pakistan, etc. are social constructs and it's a bit daft to group everything together. The whole south asian region is a continent, and India itself is a continent in many ways. The region has huge diversity and I think it's ridiculous to group everything together as "Indian" or "Pakistani" ethnicities.

I often hear about selective differences between Indians and Pakistanis here but I honestly can't find too many differences between a majority of Pakistanis and north Indians (and sometimes even from other parts of India). When I look at pictures of the common Pakistanis, I find no difference apart from the pashtuns who look different from the Punjabis or Sindhis. Similarly those from the Pak cricket team, only the Pathan players look different. I honestly would have believed Sharjeel or Akmal or Babar were Indian if had not seen them before. The likes of Afridi and Yasir stand out from the rest of the team. But then again, I also can't make out the difference between a French or Italian or a Polish guy, so there probably are minute differences that common people like me can't differentiate.

my experience has been different actually , I would say a minority (though might be significant) overlap with majority in other country.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Pakistani people are generally much better looking than we are i admit. I don't think anyone was as handsome as Lala was at his peak even in Bollywood Look at this lad who's only a tea-seller in pakistan. A much uglier teaseller became PM of our country. That is the difference though. We simply have larger hearts and are a much more civilsed people than our parosis . Jai Shri Ram

 

[Zak_Fan]

How to differentiate between a Haryanvi and a Punjabi?

What are the differences between the groups you have mentioned and Pakistanis?

People from most of these states are a lot leaner than Punjabis, and skin-tone too is considerably lighter. Also, the facial features and eyes are quite different. A combination of everything gives you a very good idea.

 

[big_gamer007]

Don't see the fuss seems like a normal guy in fact a bit malnourished and weak need to build up some muscle.. face is also normal plenty of better looking guys than him here.. But for a chai walla I guess he is good looking compared to the chai vallas over here who are generally middle aged to old age men or 12 year old kids..

 

[enkidu_]

Honestly though, I can hardly find any real difference between a majority of Pakistanis and north Indians. Only the Pashtuns (and Baloch) look different from the group. Anyway I think it's stupid to brand "Indian" or "Pakistani" ethnicities. India, Pakistan, etc. are social constructs and it's a bit daft to group everything together. The whole south asian region is a continent, and India itself is a continent in many ways. The region has huge diversity and I think it's ridiculous to group everything together as "Indian" or "Pakistani" ethnicities.

I often hear about selective differences between Indians and Pakistanis here but I honestly can't find too many differences between a majority of Pakistanis and north Indians (and sometimes even from other parts of India). When I look at pictures of the common Pakistanis, I find no difference apart from the pashtuns who look different from the Punjabis or Sindhis. Similarly those from the Pak cricket team, only the Pathan players look different. I honestly would have believed Sharjeel or Akmal or Babar were Indian if had not seen them before. The likes of Afridi and Yasir stand out from the rest of the team. But then again, I also can't make out the difference between a French or Italian or a Polish guy, so there probably are minute differences that common people like me can't differentiate.

"North Indians" is not a phenotypical category, an Indian Punjabi doesn't look like a Kashmiri, who doesn't look like a Rajasthani, and so on. Also, you say "only Pashtuns and Baloch look different", as if they were like Indian Parsis some 0.05% of the population, while, put together, they easily make 20-25% of Pakistan (even though sadly under-represented everywhere, literally - even in the Army contrarily to some myths). Again, you can say Sharjeel looks this or Akmal that as individuals. But, Akmal being from Lahore, try to bring 100 Lahoris and put them next to 100 peoples from Amritsar, Chennai, Bangalore, Kolkotta, etc you'll then see the difference. Individually Afridi for instance could pass in a lot of Mediterranean places, that doesn't mean Pashtuns look like Greeks. I have a long standing interest in anthropology, esp that of South Asia, I say this without agenda.

Individually yes a French might look like a Pole etc but, AGAIN, if you take a group of 100 Italians/French/Poles/etc the intra-European differences appear strikingly.

Personally, from what I've seen, Pak Punjabis don't even look like Indian Punjabis on average (as "group").

My main problem with (thankfully not all) Indians is that they're the first to talk of "unity in diversity" for themselves, but Pakistanis are necessary to fit in Punjab, Rajasthan, ... and whatnot. Pakistan's ethnic populations have their own genetic drifts with phenotypical differentiation.

 

[ethan hunt]

How are people unable to tell an indian from a pakistani especially locals ??

At least 80 percent of pakistanis if not more are easily distinguishable . Forget the more obvious features . Sharper features , lighter skin and smoother and less oily hair is definitely not a myth even the strong and distinct indian accent is a dead set give away .

Slightly racist but honest . Whats the point of being politically correct.??

 

[street cricketer]

"North Indians" is not a phenotypical category, an Indian Punjabi doesn't look like a Kashmiri, who doesn't look like a Rajasthani, and so on. Also, you say "only Pashtuns and Baloch look different", as if they were like Indian Parsis some 0.05% of the population, while, put together, they easily make 20-25% of Pakistan (even though sadly under-represented everywhere, literally - even in the Army contrarily to some myths). Again, you can say Sharjeel looks this or Akmal that as individuals. But, Akmal being from Lahore, try to bring 100 Lahoris and put them next to 100 peoples from Amritsar, Chennai, Bangalore, Kolkotta, etc you'll then see the difference. Individually Afridi for instance could pass in a lot of Mediterranean places, that doesn't mean Pashtuns look like Greeks. I have a long standing interest in anthropology, esp that of South Asia, I say this without agenda.

I meant it in a crude manner. I mean, the Pakistanis are very similar even genetically to the ANI component of India while they differ from the ASI component and differ the most from the north eastern component (TibetoBurmese, etc.).

Again, I never said an average Pakistani looks similar to an average south indian or bengali. So Chennai, Bangalore, Kolkata, etc., have nothing to do here. They have different skull structure and anthropology. I said I can't find major differences between someone from West Punjab/Sindh to someone from East Punjab, Haryana, Rajasthan, etc.

 

[street cricketer]

Tbh, I don't see much of this variety in Pakistani reality TV. Take Pakistani Idol for example, most people look like this.

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How are people unable to tell an indian from a pakistani especially locals ??

At least 80 percent of pakistanis if not more are easily distinguishable . Forget the more obvious features . Sharper features , lighter skin and smoother and less oily hair is definitely not a myth even the strong and distinct indian accent is a dead set give away .

Slightly racist but honest . Whats the point of being politically correct.??

If I had seen this photo without the Pakistan idol card, I couldn't have made out if it was from India or Pakistan or Bangladesh. And I doubt many of them would have. Only the dardic population look exotic and I don't find any major difference between the rest honestly.

 

[ethan hunt]

If I had seen this photo without the Pakistan idol card, I couldn't have made out if it was from India or Pakistan or Bangladesh. And I doubt many of them would have. Only the dardic population look exotic and I don't find any major difference between the rest honestly.

Ofcourse !! The muhajir community and some from rural punjab would look similar to a small portion of the Indian population whereas the vast majority will have nothing in common . Visit a typical university in lahore and than one in India .
When you sample a gathering you will notice the difference .
Its just the way it is . Doesnt make anyone less attractive .
Personally i find dusky or women with tan very attractive over white plain janes .

 

[Zak_Fan]

How are people unable to tell an indian from a pakistani especially locals ??

At least 80 percent of pakistanis if not more are easily distinguishable . Forget the more obvious features . Sharper features , lighter skin and smoother and less oily hair is definitely not a myth even the strong and distinct indian accent is a dead set give away .

Slightly racist but honest . Whats the point of being politically correct.??

Given that 60% of your population is Punjabi, this is anything but true. There is a whole belt of states from J&K to the North East where you will find fairer skin and smoother hair compared to your average Pakistani.

But yeah, if your comparison was with Southern states or Bihar/Bengal, then you are right.

 

[amax]

Given that 60% of your population is Punjabi, this is anything but true. There is a whole belt of states from J&K to the North East where you will find fairer skin and smoother hair compared to your average Pakistani.

But yeah, if your comparison was with Southern states or Bihar/Bengal, then you are right.

approx ~40% of Pakistan is Punjabi (and that include Potoharis/North Punjabis too) ,55- 60% of Pakistan lives in Punjab many Balochs, Pashtuns(like Imran Khan, Misbah) and Kashmiris live in Punjab. 20-25% of Pakistan is Pashtun. There havent been a proper censes in Pakistan for decades.(last 1998 was on linguistics rather ethnic e.g Imran's paternal side are seraiki speaking niazi Pashtun.

 

[street cricketer]

Ofcourse !! The muhajir community and some from rural punjab would look similar to a small portion of the Indian population whereas the vast majority will have nothing in common . Visit a typical university in lahore and than one in India .
When you sample a gathering you will notice the difference .
Its just the way it is . Doesnt make anyone less attractive .
Personally i find dusky or women with tan very attractive over white plain janes.

Even I find dusky women more attractive, but it's not about our preferences for women lol..I was not even discussing about colour here.

Just the facial features like skull structure, supraorbital ridges, hair colour, eye colour, etc. I have looked at photos of a large number of common Pakistanis and honestly they don't look vastly different to Indians like say Punjabis or Rajasthanis at all. It's the same with the present and past Pak cricketers as well apart from those from KPK. Do you find any striking differences with Moin Khan, Inzi, Aaqib, Ramiz, Ijaz Ahmed, Salim Malik, etc., and Indian cricketers? It's tough for me to find differences.

 

[ethan hunt]

Given that 60% of your population is Punjabi, this is anything but true. There is a whole belt of states from J&K to the North East where you will find fairer skin and smoother hair compared to your average Pakistani.

But yeah, if your comparison was with Southern states or Bihar/Bengal, then you are right.

Not really .
You cant lump the two punjabs together like that .
You are comparing a very small demographic with a large majority . The people of himachal look no different to someone like an Usman qadir who imcidentally lives in Lahore .
The comparison is lazy because pakistan is a smaller country and you have to understand the dynamics .
For some one whos been to both lahore and delhi i can easily tell . Ask around i m sure plenty have made the trip .

You cant say that fawad khan , ali zafar , hamza abbasi or ayesha linnea akhtar look indian. You look at them and instantly think Pakistan and these people are not even from kpk . You look at someone like ajay devgan , sunil shetty , akshay kumar and you will automatically think India .

Even if you didnt know and someone wers to ask i am sure you wouldnt say that zayn malik has an indian background would you ??
People need to better understand the pakistani punjabi demographic

Yes a percentage of pakistanis will look indian and vice versa but than thats a small number like there are some that look italian or bangladeshi.

 

[enkidu_]

Just the facial features like skull structure, supraorbital ridges, hair colour, eye colour, etc. I have looked at photos of a large number of common Pakistanis and honestly they don't look vastly different to Indians like say Punjabis or Rajasthanis at all. It's the same with the present and past Pak cricketers as well apart from those from KPK. Do you find any striking differences with Moin Khan, Inzi, Aaqib, Ramiz, Ijaz Ahmed, Salim Malik, etc., and Indian cricketers? It's tough for me to find differences.

Again, we get back to square one : how are Indian cricketers representative of India ? They have always been "upper castes", who represent a tiny proportion of their respect state. Ganguly, Tendulkar, etc are all Brahmins, who are considerably fairer than the non Brahmin neighbouring populations, and in fact also are different phenotypically. They're something like 3-4% of the Indian population (even though it varies by region, but overall), and have always made something like 7-8 out of the playing XI ; the rest being Jatts or Kshatriyas from other states, which are also mainly "upper castes".

But, again, you can't base your perception on individuals.

The whole point is that it's the skull (crano-facial/body) structure which sets them apart, not hair/eye colour (we're not talking of Scandinavians here), and even skintone. Pak cricketer Sohail Khan for instance has a "pan Pak" look (someone who wouldn't stick out in Sindh or Punjab), but that's if you base yourself on skin-tone/hair-eye colour ; if you look more attentively he has a distinctive Pashtun face.

No one says that Inzy (who's roots are in Haryana btw), as an example, would stick out like a Martian on Venus in the southern-most of south India even, but that if you take 100 peoples from a Pak Punjabi city and compare them to 100 peoples from other Indian cities (even "northies") the differences will appear really clearly.

Only point you could make is for Punjabis, but then they are a minority (2-3%) in India, and I also disagree that Pak Punjabis are "the same" (they show a way higher diversity, from Saraikis to the south with Baloch influences to the Potoharis in the north, if you admit these groups are "Punjabis", but that's another debate).

 

[Zak_Fan]

Not really .
You cant lump the two punjabs together like that .
You are comparing a very small demographic with a large majority . The people of himachal look no different to someone like an Usman qadir who imcidentally lives in Lahore .
The comparison is lazy because pakistan is a smaller country and you have to understand the dynamics .
For some one whos been to both lahore and delhi i can easily tell . Ask around i m sure plenty have made the trip .

You cant say that fawad khan , ali zafar , hamza abbasi or ayesha linnea akhtar look indian. You look at them and instantly think Pakistan and these people are not even from kpk . You look at someone like ajay devgan , sunil shetty , akshay kumar and you will automatically think India .

Even if you didnt know and someone wers to ask i am sure you wouldnt say that zayn malik has an indian background would you ??
People need to better understand the pakistani punjabi demographic

How many would say that Zayn has a Pakistani background? He is mixed and looks nothing like a Pakistani. Just like Lisa Ray looks nothing like an Indian. Please go out in your cities, and all you will find is Umar Akmals at best, not Zayn Maliks.

Yes a percentage of pakistanis will look indian and vice versa but than thats a small number like there are some that look italian or bangladeshi.

It may hurt you, but majority of your awaam I see in the Television seems no different to people you would find in Punjab, UP and Bihar.. NOT Italians. If you have doubts, please watch some of your Cricket crowd or reality television.

 

[kaayal]

Not really .
You cant lump the two punjabs together like that .
You are comparing a very small demographic with a large majority . The people of himachal look no different to someone like an Usman qadir who imcidentally lives in Lahore .
The comparison is lazy because pakistan is a smaller country and you have to understand the dynamics .
For some one whos been to both lahore and delhi i can easily tell . Ask around i m sure plenty have made the trip .

You cant say that fawad khan , ali zafar , hamza abbasi or ayesha linnea akhtar look indian. You look at them and instantly think Pakistan and these people are not even from kpk . You look at someone like ajay devgan , sunil shetty , akshay kumar and you will automatically think India .

Even if you didnt know and someone wers to ask i am sure you wouldnt say that zayn malik has an indian background would you ??
People need to better understand the pakistani punjabi demographic

Yes a percentage of pakistanis will look indian and vice versa but than thats a small number like there are some that look italian or bangladeshi.

Lol why did you skip out the Indians like John Abraham, Hrithik Roshan, Arjun Rampal, Rahul Khanna etc. The above mentioned Pakistanis don't even come close to their looks and manliness. I agree with Imran Khan, Shahid Afridi like Pathans though.

 

[enkidu_]

Pics please, all those who are talking about various ethnicities.

Here, tens of portraits from the Indus Valley school of art and architecture (Karachi), 2015 graduates directory :

http://indusvalley.edu.pk/web/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Graduate-DIrectory-2015.pdf

Tried to be as "objective" as possible, not only it's thus not "cherry picking", but they're from Karachi, and there's another myth that so called "Muhajirs" supposedly "look Indians", whereas many of them are from élite UPite roots, which differ from common UPites, many with "Pathan" roots (singer Junaid Jamshed is such case).

"Individually", they would all fit in India, from Kashmir to Kanyakumari as they say, but "as a group", if you take the same amount of Indians from any city's university, you'll see the difference.

 

[street cricketer]

Not really .
You cant lump the two punjabs together like that .
You are comparing a very small demographic with a large majority . The people of himachal look no different to someone like an Usman qadir who imcidentally lives in Lahore .
The comparison is lazy because pakistan is a smaller country and you have to understand the dynamics .
For some one whos been to both lahore and delhi i can easily tell . Ask around i m sure plenty have made the trip .

You cant say that fawad khan , ali zafar , hamza abbasi or ayesha linnea akhtar look indian. You look at them and instantly think Pakistan and these people are not even from kpk . You look at someone like ajay devgan , sunil shetty , akshay kumar and you will automatically think India .

Even if you didnt know and someone wers to ask i am sure you wouldnt say that zayn malik has an indian background would you ??
People need to better understand the pakistani punjabi demographic

Yes a percentage of pakistanis will look indian and vice versa but than thats a small number like there are some that look italian or bangladeshi.

What do you think of when you see actors like Arjun Rampal, Hrithik Roshan, Neil Nitin Mukesh, John Abraham, etc.? I don't think you can judge looks like that and make differences as "Indian" or "Pakistani"..

Fawad Khan doesn't look too different honestly. He looks like a slightly malnourished but a bit more successful (only in film career) version of Karan Singh Grover tbh.

 

[kabbirann]

"North Indians" is not a phenotypical category, an Indian Punjabi doesn't look like a Kashmiri, who doesn't look like a Rajasthani, and so on. Also, you say "only Pashtuns and Baloch look different", as if they were like Indian Parsis some 0.05% of the population, while, put together, they easily make 20-25% of Pakistan (even though sadly under-represented everywhere, literally - even in the Army contrarily to some myths). Again, you can say Sharjeel looks this or Akmal that as individuals. But, Akmal being from Lahore, try to bring 100 Lahoris and put them next to 100 peoples from Amritsar, Chennai, Bangalore, Kolkotta, etc you'll then see the difference. Individually Afridi for instance could pass in a lot of Mediterranean places, that doesn't mean Pashtuns look like Greeks. I have a long standing interest in anthropology, esp that of South Asia, I say this without agenda.

Individually yes a French might look like a Pole etc but, AGAIN, if you take a group of 100 Italians/French/Poles/etc the intra-European differences appear strikingly.

Personally, from what I've seen, Pak Punjabis don't even look like Indian Punjabis on average (as "group").

My main problem with (thankfully not all) Indians is that they're the first to talk of "unity in diversity" for themselves, but Pakistanis are necessary to fit in Punjab, Rajasthan, ... and whatnot. Pakistan's ethnic populations have their own genetic drifts with phenotypical differentiation.

As an Indian Punjabi,totally agree with this.
Indian Punjabi's whether they be Hindu or Sikh esp the Jats,Rajputs and Khatri's look very alike and are very easy to recognize as Punjabi's.Pakistani Punjabis look very different.I mean the last Pakistani Punjabi I saw looked a lot like Musharraf.

 

[ethan hunt]

How many would say that Zayn has a Pakistani background? He is mixed and looks nothing like a Pakistani. Just like Lisa Ray looks nothing like an Indian. Please go out in your cities, and all you will find is Umar Akmals at best, not Zayn Maliks.



It may hurt you, but majority of your awaam I see in the Television seems no different to people you would find in Punjab, UP and Bihar.. NOT Italians. If you have doubts, please watch some of your Cricket crowd or reality television.

Zayn is just an example . 90 percent or more would wager on him being of pakistani background than indian . Which he is btw . Fact .

I never said that the majority looks italian . Some men look italian , some spanish , some bangali and indian etc .

No there is a diffrence and enough difference to make it noticeable. Read up on experiences of people who have travelled and met both .

 

[enkidu_]

It may hurt you, but majority of your awaam I see in the Television seems no different to people you would find in Punjab, UP and Bihar.. NOT Italians. If you have doubts, please watch some of your Cricket crowd or reality television.

So this Marathi Brahmin actress, Urmila Matondkar, didn't find them in Bihar :

She also revealed that "Pakistani men are great-looking. Now I know where all the good looking men in the sub-continent are hiding!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/Urmila-bids-Pak-adieu/articleshow/355793.cms

Listen to Delhi-born actress Swara Bhaskar at 15:00, apparently she didn't get the memo either, "...what happened at the Partition, seems like all good looking peoples went to the other side of the border"

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Also listen to Odisha-born famous director Mira Nair, at 3:37, who mimics [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION] : "Pakistani guys have this total machismo and beauty thing, which is very alluring... I've been many times to Lahore... they're hot and smoking"

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/GUQXZiU8nW8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I could find you more conclusive arguments later.

 

[ethan hunt]

What do you think of when you see actors like Arjun Rampal, Hrithik Roshan, Neil Nitin Mukesh, John Abraham, etc.? I don't think you can judge looks like that and make differences as "Indian" or "Pakistani"..

Fawad Khan doesn't look too different honestly. He looks like a slightly malnourished but a bit more successful (only in film career) version of Karan Singh Grover tbh.

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Ok nice selection of pics but tell me .
Am i wrong when i say . Fawad khan is fair skinned while karan singh grover is dark skinned ?? Again i am not talking about looks , thats subjective .

 

[niishaa]

Even I find dusky women more attractive, but it's not about our preferences for women lol..I was not even discussing about colour here.

Just the facial features like skull structure, supraorbital ridges, hair colour, eye colour, etc. I have looked at photos of a large number of common Pakistanis and honestly they don't look vastly different to Indians like say Punjabis or Rajasthanis at all. It's the same with the present and past Pak cricketers as well apart from those from KPK. Do you find any striking differences with Moin Khan, Inzi, Aaqib, Ramiz, Ijaz Ahmed, Salim Malik, etc., and Indian cricketers? It's tough for me to find differences.

Same here. I watching a video of geo news about dengue virus in lahore and they showed a hospital and the people there. They looked very much and not just north indian. Plently of people were dark skinned and swarthy looking. They could easily pass off as hyderabadi to me. race is a complicated subject. Plus since we will never go to pakistan like ever so we will never know. We can only judge by cricketers and movie stars. What i feel is that people take one extreme look from one part and another extreme look from another part and then say they are different while to me it seems there are plenty of people who are mixed and don't look like what we expect people from a certain community to look like. I can easily see the differences between pathan and non pathan cricketers at least.

 

[enkidu_]

What do you think of when you see actors like Arjun Rampal, Hrithik Roshan, Neil Nitin Mukesh, John Abraham, etc.? I don't think you can judge looks like that and make differences as "Indian" or "Pakistani"..

Fawad Khan doesn't look too different honestly. He looks like a slightly malnourished but a bit more successful (only in film career) version of Karan Singh Grover tbh.

Karan Singh Grover looks nothing like Fawad Khan apart from the beard (same with fellow Khatri, Virat Kohli). Interesting that the only names that are brought up are at 98% Punjabi Khatris, Khatris who nearly unanimously ultimately trace their roots in West Punjab.

But... what are the proportions of Khatris in India, considering they're a minority within a minority (Punjabis) ?

 

[niishaa]

So this Marathi Brahmin actress, Urmila Matondkar, didn't find them in Bihar :



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/Urmila-bids-Pak-adieu/articleshow/355793.cms

Listen to Delhi-born actress Swara Bhaskar at 15:00, apparently she didn't get the memo either, "...what happened at the Partition, seems like all good looking peoples went to the other side of the border"

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/yVMvb_QW8f4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Also listen to Odisha-born famous director Mira Nair, at 3:37, who mimics [MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION] : "Pakistani guys have this total machismo and beauty thing, which is very alluring... I've been many times to Lahore... they're hot and smoking"

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/GUQXZiU8nW8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I could find you more conclusive arguments later.

True pakistani men have machisimo and are agressive. But Riz ahmed looks like many many indian guys i know.

 

[ethan hunt]

Lol why did you skip out the Indians like John Abraham, Hrithik Roshan, Arjun Rampal, Rahul Khanna etc. The above mentioned Pakistanis don't even come close to their looks and manliness. I agree with Imran Khan, Shahid Afridi like Pathans though.

I am not arguing about looks yaar . Looks are subjective .
You just proved my point by choosing 3 or 4 people who you consider to be the best looking and different to the rest of the indian population . Now john abraham.looks like a typical gym going guy from lahore while rahul khanna is your quintessential businessman .
You see when you say indians are similar to pakistanis you are comparing a small demographic to a large one and vice versa .
Now if you said some indians are similar o would agree .

 

[kaayal]

I am not arguing about looks yaar . Looks are subjective .
You just proved my point by choosing 3 or 4 people who you consider to be the best looking and different to the rest of the indian population . Now john abraham.looks like a typical gym going guy from lahore while rahul khanna is your quintessential businessman .
You see when you say indians are similar to pakistanis you are comparing a small demographic to a large one and vice versa .
Now if you said some indians are similar o would agree .

I know yaar. But how can you allow Ajay devgan and Sunil shetty as representatives of entire Indian male populations? Come on that's not true.

 

[ethan hunt]

I know yaar. But how can you allow Ajay devgan and Sunil shetty as representatives of entire Indian male populations? Come on that's not true.

Oho i didnt . I just said that they are the quintessential indian stereotype and likelier to be indians .
Wasnt putting anyone down . They are sucessful movie stars and are winning at life haha

 

[yasir]

Not really .
You cant lump the two punjabs together like that .
You are comparing a very small demographic with a large majority . The people of himachal look no different to someone like an Usman qadir who imcidentally lives in Lahore .
The comparison is lazy because pakistan is a smaller country and you have to understand the dynamics .
For some one whos been to both lahore and delhi i can easily tell . Ask around i m sure plenty have made the trip .

You cant say that fawad khan , ali zafar , hamza abbasi or ayesha linnea akhtar look indian. You look at them and instantly think Pakistan and these people are not even from kpk . You look at someone like ajay devgan , sunil shetty , akshay kumar and you will automatically think India .

Even if you didnt know and someone wers to ask i am sure you wouldnt say that zayn malik has an indian background would you ??
People need to better understand the pakistani punjabi demographic

Yes a percentage of pakistanis will look indian and vice versa but than thats a small number like there are some that look italian or bangladeshi.

I am not sure what is your point. Fawad Khan does not look like Pakistani, so is Imran Khan or Afridi and many others, they all look like (and actually are) Pathans, Pathans are very distinctive from Punjabis and Sindhis and they are less than 15% of the country, but many good looking celebrities have Pathans or Kashmiris heritage. Pakistan is very mixed race country, from light to dark skin as you move from north to south, this region has been visited by lot of races, they look very different from each other. But typical Pakistanis don't look like Pathans, because most of the population is Punjab, where complexion is darker and features are very different from north.

I have been and lived in many places in Pakistan, by race I am Pathan but we lived in AJK for last 700ish years, our complexion and features are lot like Pathan. At times I was considered foreigner in the very city I was born and brought up, because again complexion and features are very different.

BTW: Many indians don't look like Indian Hiritick, Arjum Ram paul, Aksay Kumar, Salman Khan, Amir Khan etc none of them look like Indian, same is true with many female actresses.

 

[Zak_Fan]

I am not arguing about looks yaar . Looks are subjective .
You just proved my point by choosing 3 or 4 people who you consider to be the best looking and different to the rest of the indian population . Now john abraham.looks like a typical gym going guy from lahore while rahul khanna is your quintessential businessman .
You see when you say indians are similar to pakistanis you are comparing a small demographic to a large one and vice versa .
Now if you said some indians are similar o would agree .

Better than choosing a half-white Zyan to represent Pakistani looks...no?

It is not minority, but majority of the Pakistanis I am talking about. Look at your hockey team, cricket team, your crowds, your reality TV. What do you see? Do they have more in common with Bangladesh or Afganistan/Italy/Spain?

 

[street cricketer]

I am not sure what is your point. Fawad Khan does not look like Pakistani, so is Imran Khan or Afridi and many others, they all look like (and actually are) Pathans, Pathans are very distinctive from Punjabis and Sindhis and they are less than 15% of the country, but many good looking celebrities have Pathans or Kashmiris heritage. Pakistan is very mixed race country, from light to dark skin as you move from north to south, this region has been visited by lot of races, they look very different from each other. But typical Pakistanis don't look like Pathans, because most of the population is Punjab, where complexion is darker and features are very different from north.

I have been and lived in many places in Pakistan, by race I am Pathan but we lived in AJK for last 700ish years, our complexion and features are lot like Pathan. At times I was considered foreigner in the very city I was born and brought up, because again complexion and features are very different.

This is the exact point I was making.

Finally somebody gets it!

 

[street cricketer]

Arrey [MENTION=137893]enkidu_[/MENTION] bhai, I thought we were discussing about facial features here and differences between different Indian and Pakistani ethnicities. And now you are tagging videos of some Indian women fawning over Pakistani men. When did the discussion veer from anthropology towards "handsomeness" factor? And you said you had no agenda!

 

[speed]

What do you think of when you see actors like Arjun Rampal, Hrithik Roshan, Neil Nitin Mukesh, John Abraham, etc.? I don't think you can judge looks like that and make differences as "Indian" or "Pakistani"..

Fawad Khan doesn't look too different honestly. He looks like a slightly malnourished but a bit more successful (only in film career) version of Karan Singh Grover tbh.

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Arjuan rampail is half Dutch, Abraham is Paris, Lol at people using film stars as representative of populations, Fawad khan does not look like an average lahori and neither is the average Indian Punjabi a rikith roshan.

 

[street cricketer]

Arjuan rampail is half Dutch, Abraham is Paris, Lol at people using film stars as representative of populations, Fawad khan does not look like an average lahori and neither is the average Indian Punjabi a rikith roshan.

I know speed yaar, it was ethan hunt who used it first. I was only talking about cricketers.

 

[enkidu_]

I am not sure what is your point. Fawad Khan does not look like Pakistani, so is Imran Khan or Afridi and many others, they all look like (and actually are) Pathans, Pathans are very distinctive from Punjabis and Sindhis and they are less than 15% of the country, but many good looking celebrities have Pathans or Kashmiris heritage. Pakistan is very mixed race country, from light to dark skin as you move from north to south, this region has been visited by lot of races, they look very different from each other. But typical Pakistanis don't look like Pathans, because most of the population is Punjab, where complexion is darker and features are very different from north.

I have been and lived in many places in Pakistan, by race I am Pathan but we lived in AJK for last 700ish years, our complexion and features are lot like Pathan. At times I was considered foreigner in the very city I was born and brought up, because again complexion and features are very different.

BTW: Many indians don't look like Indian Hiritick, Arjum Ram paul, Aksay Kumar, Salman Khan, Amir Khan etc none of them look like Indian, same is true with many female actresses.

To say Fawad Khan or Imran Khan don't look Pakistani is like to say that Mike Tyson doesn't look American : as you said, Pak is a multi ethnic country, thus Fawad Khan looks Pak, but a Pak Pashtun, even though, contrarily to Imran Khan or Afridi, his looks can be easily be found in all Pak ethnic groups, he's not THAT "distinct" (and the simple reason being that his Pashtun heritage is quite diluted.) I don't know who here said that Pashtuns (or Baloch) look like Punjabis, considering that everyone (Indians and Pak) was saying the very opposite, to the point that the current discussion doesn't even imply Pashtuns/Baloch anymore ; the whole point of the discussion is that EVEN if they're darker than Pashtuns, it doesn't mean Punjabis and Sindhis "look Indians", considering Indians have their own internal diversity. It's not because English don't look like Poles that they have to look like French. That was the crux of the debate really.

(are you a Sudhan ?)

Arrey [MENTION=137893]enkidu_[/MENTION] bhai, I thought we were discussing about facial features here and differences between different Indian and Pakistani ethnicities. And now you are tagging videos of some Indian women fawning over Pakistani men. When did the discussion veer from anthropology towards "handsomeness" factor? And you said you had no agenda!

I just troll the trolls, I honestly have no agenda, I believe we belong to the same Indic-Hindu civilization and ultimately should learn to co exist in relatively good terms. A so called beautiful face fades in time while a beautiful heart is the seat of divine inspirations. I'm just not amused that Indians are the first to talk about their "unity in diversity" mantra yet Pak Punjabis or Sindhis don't have the right to be that diverse, and must subscribe to Indian-centric categories, which is as bad as Euro-centrism.

 

[kaayal]

Arjuan rampail is half Dutch, Abraham is Paris, Lol at people using film stars as representative of populations, Fawad khan does not look like an average lahori and neither is the average Indian Punjabi a rikith roshan.

Lol where is John abraham's 50% malayali gene by that logic? Can't take one side only.

 

[speed]

I am not sure what is your point. Fawad Khan does not look like Pakistani, so is Imran Khan or Afridi and many others, they all look like (and actually are) Pathans, Pathans are very distinctive from Punjabis and Sindhis and they are less than 15% of the country, but many good looking celebrities have Pathans or Kashmiris heritage. Pakistan is very mixed race country, from light to dark skin as you move from north to south, this region has been visited by lot of races, they look very different from each other. But typical Pakistanis don't look like Pathans, because most of the population is Punjab, where complexion is darker and features are very different from north.

I have been and lived in many places in Pakistan, by race I am Pathan but we lived in AJK for last 700ish years, our complexion and features are lot like Pathan. At times I was considered foreigner in the very city I was born and brought up, because again complexion and features are very different.

BTW: Many indians don't look like Indian Hiritick, Arjum Ram paul, Aksay Kumar, Salman Khan, Amir Khan etc none of them look like Indian, same is true with many female actresses.

I find that hard to belive that your tribe which has isolated itself for 700 years from other pushtuns still looks pushtun, the yusufzais and afridi pushtuns of up and Bihar have been there for less than 300 years and they no longer look pushtun. So 700 years is hard to belive.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

I find that hard to belive that your tribe which has isolated itself for 700 years from other pushtuns still looks pushtun, the yusufzais and afridi pushtuns of up and Bihar have been there for less than 300 years and they no longer look pushtun. So 700 years is hard to belive.

What is more impressive is that he knows 700 years of his family history. Quite amazing.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I wrote it like it's pronounced.

Maybe less hollywood movies and more bollywood/lolywood for you to get back in touch with your mother tongue

I don't need to force myself to sit through trash to improve my Urdu which is very good

 

[ethan hunt]

I am not sure what is your point. Fawad Khan does not look like Pakistani, so is Imran Khan or Afridi and many others, they all look like (and actually are) Pathans, Pathans are very distinctive from Punjabis and Sindhis and they are less than 15% of the country, but many good looking celebrities have Pathans or Kashmiris heritage. Pakistan is very mixed race country, from light to dark skin as you move from north to south, this region has been visited by lot of races, they look very different from each other. But typical Pakistanis don't look like Pathans, because most of the population is Punjab, where complexion is darker and features are very different from north.

I have been and lived in many places in Pakistan, by race I am Pathan but we lived in AJK for last 700ish years, our complexion and features are lot like Pathan. At times I was considered foreigner in the very city I was born and brought up, because again complexion and features are very different.

BTW: Many indians don't look like Indian Hiritick, Arjum Ram paul, Aksay Kumar, Salman Khan, Amir Khan etc none of them look like Indian, same is true with many female actresses.

What are you trying to say ??
Isnt there a pathan population in pakistan ??
Thers are loads of male models who are fair skinned and look good both male.and female and a lot of them are not even pashtuns or from that background. I can start posting pictures but than this thread will take a very bizzzare turn .
The fact is that fawad , imran look pakistani simply because they represent a certain proportion of pakistan's population to argue otherwise is stupid .
And your last point is even more silly . Trust me when i say this no matter how light skinned you are noone will consider you a foreignour in lahore let alone in other areas . No one is considered foreigner for having light skinned lol.

 

[yasir]

To say Fawad Khan or Imran Khan don't look Pakistani is like to say that Mike Tyson doesn't look American : as you said, Pak is a multi ethnic country, thus Fawad Khan looks Pak, but a Pak Pashtun, even though, contrarily to Imran Khan or Afridi, his looks can be easily be found in all Pak ethnic groups, he's not THAT "distinct" (and the simple reason being that his Pashtun heritage is quite diluted.) I don't know who here said that Pashtuns (or Baloch) look like Punjabis, considering that everyone (Indians and Pak) was saying the very opposite, to the point that the current discussion doesn't even imply Pashtuns/Baloch anymore ; the whole point of the discussion is that EVEN if they're darker than Pashtuns, it doesn't mean Punjabis and Sindhis "look Indians", considering Indians have their own internal diversity. It's not because English don't look like Poles that they have to look like French. That was the crux of the debate really.

Fawad Khan does not look like typical Pakistani by any means, same is true for Miyra Khan or Imran Khan or Afridi. You are raising the bar little too high for average Pakistani. Its like Indians saying, Aksay Kumar looks like average Indian, these claims are greatly exaggerated.

If you see a fair complexion Pakistani, there is a great chance they have Pathan or Kashmiri blood in them and when comes to blue eyes, its almost 100%. I have blue eyes, but my wife does not have that colored eye genes, so none of my kids have colored eyes, but their kids can have that...

(are you a Sudhan ?)

Yes, I am Sudhan. Sardar Ibrahim Khan(he was main leader of the tribe for half of the last century) was my Dadhi's sibling.

 

[amax]

What are you trying to say ??
Isnt there a pathan population in pakistan ??
Thers are loads of male models who are fair skinned and look good both male.and female and a lot of them are not even pashtuns or from that background. I can start posting pictures but than this thread will take a very bizzzare turn .
The fact is that fawad , imran look pakistani simply because they represent a certain proportion of pakistan's population to argue otherwise is stupid .
And your last point is even more silly . Trust me when i say this no matter how light skinned you are noone will consider you a foreignour in lahore let alone in other areas . No one is considered foreigner for having light skinned lol.

I am sure he is Sudhan not even Pashtuns, some of his points are laughable lol

 

[ethan hunt]

Better than choosing a half-white Zyan to represent Pakistani looks...no?

It is not minority, but majority of the Pakistanis I am talking about. Look at your hockey team, cricket team, your crowds, your reality TV. What do you see? Do they have more in common with Bangladesh or Afganistan/Italy/Spain?

Well he is what he is . I would be wrong if i called him an indian .
Exactly my point . Despite the much smaller population look at the people in different fields .
Now look at the singers . Most pakistani singers like atif , ali zafar , ali haider , junaid jamshed are /were heartthrobs in india .
Same with the ladies like momina mustehsan , QB , misha shafi , gul panra etc
.
Pakistani cricketers like imran , fazal , wasim , afridi are poster boys in India .

My point is that people who are considered some of the best looking in India look like pakistanis . Not the other way around.
So yes there are people that look alike but than that shouldnt be a surprise with the massive indian population.

 

[enkidu_]

Fawad Khan does not look like typical Pakistani by any means, same is true for Miyra Khan or Imran Khan or Afridi. You are raising the bar little too high for average Pakistani. Its like Indians saying, Aksay Kumar looks like average Indian, these claims are greatly exaggerated.

If you see a fair complexion Pakistani, there is a great chance they have Pathan or Kashmiri blood in them and when comes to blue eyes, its almost 100%. I have blue eyes, but my wife does not have that colored eye genes, so none of my kids have colored eyes, but their kids can have that...

A cinema star rarely looks "typical" for anything, the point is that in the Sindhi/Punjabi "spectrum" (that is, from the darkest to the lightest, from the not so sharp featured to the sharpest featured, etc), Fawad Khan fits (not Imran Khan or Shahid Afridi), for the simple reason that Fawad Khan isn't a "pure" Pashtun to begin with. There are some Iranic traits on Fawad's face (his eyebrows are telling) but he fit the "diversity" of the Punjabi or Sindhi populations, which is uber diverse (in Pak cricket team alone, look at the famous duo of Waqar Younis-Wasim Akram). Now, does Imran Khan fits the diversity of the Punjabi/Sindhi population ? Nope. Afridi neither. It's the same for Indian stars : they barely fit the diversity of the majority of the Indic ethnic groups. All these Khatris (Kapoors, Dhawans, Kohlis, ...) are a group on their own.

But no one said that Pashtuns/Baloch look like Punjabis/Sindhis, that debate has been settled already and everyone agrees they don't : the point is about Pak Punjabis/Sindhis "looking Indians".

Yes, I am Sudhan. Sardar Ibrahim Khan(he was main leader of the tribe for half of the last century) was my Dadhi's sibling.

Have seen dozens of Sudhans, they're tall and sharper featured than the average Punjabis (again, quite diverse as a group), but to say that you'll be perceived as an "outsider" in Lahore is really pushing it too far. We are Rajputs also from AJK, my paternal family has a lot of "pseudo Pathan" features ("rosy" skin-tone and light eyes), but when my dad or uncle goes to Punjab they're not like "oh, you must be from Noway".

 

[Chief Destroyer]

"My skin is lighter than yours." "My facial structure is like this and yours like this."

Bunch of shallow people.

 

[Pakistanian]

Fawad Khan does not look like typical Pakistani by any means, same is true for Miyra Khan or Imran Khan or Afridi. You are raising the bar little too high for average Pakistani. Its like Indians saying, Aksay Kumar looks like average Indian, these claims are greatly exaggerated.

If you see a fair complexion Pakistani, there is a great chance they have Pathan or Kashmiri blood in them and when comes to blue eyes, its almost 100%. I have blue eyes, but my wife does not have that colored eye genes, so none of my kids have colored eyes, but their kids can have that...



Yes, I am Sudhan. Sardar Ibrahim Khan(he was main leader of the tribe for half of the last century) was my Dadhi's sibling.

Dude, I looked up this Fawad Khan, turns out his parents migrated from India, he's not a Pakhtun, and having khan as your surname doesn't make a Pakhtun otherwise half of Pakistan would be half Pashtun, I saw some of his pics from his Entity Paradigm days and he looked very much Pakistani. Imran Khan is also from Punjab, he's a Pakhtun who's family has been in Punjab for centuries, also if you weren't aware both Fawad and Imran aren't part of the "15%" pashtun minority, they speak Urdu and Seraiki respectively. Anyways I don't see what the big deal is about them, I'd like it the media showed people who looked like the average Pakistani, people who take pride in their foreign appearance shouldn't get any privileges.

 

[JaDed]

The North Indians and Pakistanis can keep fighting on looks and fairness doesn't make a difference.

 

[Pakistanian]

I have been in London for just over a month now and my friends and I have been asked "Aap Pakistan se hai?" by quite a few Pakistanis here. Dont think you can differentiate Indians and Pakistanis just by looking but hey whatever makes our Parosis feel better.

That doesn't mean much. 90% of the time people in America think I'm mexican, mexicans think i'm mexican and even a White Cuban man told me i looked more stereotypical hispanic compared to him cause he just looked white but that doesn't mean Pakistanis now look like Mexicans.

 

[Pakistanian]

I find that hard to belive that your tribe which has isolated itself for 700 years from other pushtuns still looks pushtun, the yusufzais and afridi pushtuns of up and Bihar have been there for less than 300 years and they no longer look pushtun. So 700 years is hard to belive.

Well the people of AJK do look a lot different from the people of Bihar.

 

[Boom boom legend]

You guys can say what you want about indians but surely you must only be talking about the men.

The indian women I see (bollywood) are just...... WOW

 

[yasir]

What are you trying to say ??
Isnt there a pathan population in pakistan ??
Thers are loads of male models who are fair skinned and look good both male.and female and a lot of them are not even pashtuns or from that background. I can start posting pictures but than this thread will take a very bizzzare turn .
The fact is that fawad , imran look pakistani simply because they represent a certain proportion of pakistan's population to argue otherwise is stupid .
And your last point is even more silly . Trust me when i say this no matter how light skinned you are noone will consider you a foreignour in lahore let alone in other areas . No one is considered foreigner for having light skinned lol.

Pathan are Pakistani, but they are in minority, they looked distinctively different than most Indian and Pakistanis. Reality is Northern Indian have more common features to most Pakistani and its not just the appearance but language, culture the whole nine yard are similar. Like Southern Indian look very different then northern, Pathans look very different from Punjabis, Sindhis. Although Bloochi, Pathan and Kashmiris are more similar to each other. Pathans live in India too, they standout there too not just in Pakistan, there skin color has lot to do with it, since Desis are obsessed with white skin... Fair and Lovely sells for a reason

Lahore itself has mixed race, 1/3 of Lahore population is Kashmiris, even the King of Punjab aka Nawaz Shrief is not Punjabi nor does he look like typical Punjabi

Dude, I looked up this Fawad Khan, turns out his parents migrated from India, he's not a Pakhtun, and having khan as your surname doesn't make a Pakhtun otherwise half of Pakistan would be half Pashtun, I saw some of his pics from his Entity Paradigm days and he looked very much Pakistani. Imran Khan is also from Punjab, he's a Pakhtun who's family has been in Punjab for centuries, also if you weren't aware both Fawad and Imran aren't part of the "15%" pashtun minority, they speak Urdu and Seraiki respectively. Anyways I don't see what the big deal is about them, I'd like it the media showed people who looked like the average Pakistani, people who take pride in their foreign appearance shouldn't get any privileges.

There are many Khan's in India as I mentioned above, they stand out there too, it does not matter where Fawad Khan came from,his genetic is not typical UP/Bhair, he must have Phustan or Kashmiri in his genes, pure UP/Sindhi/Punjabi don't get that kind of skin color, from what I have seen, I had a friend who was Punjabi but very fair complexion, I asked him how come he is fair, well because his Mom was Kashmiri... I would be very surprise if Fawad Khan has no genetic heritage of Pathans...Imran Khan is Nazi, they are from Mainwali and are Pathan, by now everybody even in India knows that


BTW: Your skin color does not get effected by living in warm climate. Inter breeding changes it over time. Europeans are living in USA/AUS/Africa for centuries, but their color and many features remains same because of very little cross marriage, they had inter white marriages but not blacks and brown. Historically Pathans and Punjabi or Sindhi have very little inter marriage, that's why their features remain distinctive. In next few 100 years that many change, because now people are more open to cross breeding and marriages or they will since communities are bigger and metro compare to past.

 

[troodon]

Pakistanis are chubbier and slightly taller and slightly more light skinned version of Indians. Nothing more to it.

You can never confuse a Pakistani (Except for Afghan origin people and Baloch) to a European or Middle Easterner.

Same with Indians. Even the most Euro looking Indians still look more Indian than a Euro or Middle Easterner.

Its all genetic. People are fighting over minor variations.

 

[troodon]

Also, you put Azhar Ali, Hafeez, Aslam, Sarfraz, Umar Akmal, Wahab Riaz, Rhat Ali, Amir, Imad Wasim.... anywhere in India, people would not bat an eyelid. They look exactly like Indians. Even in South India, people would not differentiate them.

Except for the likes of Afridi, Yasir Shah, Misbah etc, rest of the Pak team will easily pass as Indian.

 

[yasir]

I find that hard to belive that your tribe which has isolated itself for 700 years from other pushtuns still looks pushtun, the yusufzais and afridi pushtuns of up and Bihar have been there for less than 300 years and they no longer look pushtun. So 700 years is hard to belive.

As I said in post #134, your features change if there is lot of cross breading going on in a community. Which is not the case for most part in past, but that may change in future, well I myself married in Punjab. Our Tribe has hardly done much of inter marriages, all the Sudhans in last 700(or how many years since they left Ghazni) are settled in one region of AJK. None of our tribe members are on the IOK(they are all settled in Punch and Bagh), which is not true for most other ethnicity in AJK, that also indicates very little inter breeding has happened over time.

BTW: I personally don't believe in race, religion, country BS, these are all equally shallow ideas. But there seems to be confusion(why color or other genetic features change over time) and bragging by Pakistanis, some how we are better than others, by picking minority representatives of our population, that's why I jump into this non-sense debate.

 

[Pakistanian]

Pathan are Pakistani, but they are in minority, they looked distinctively different than most Indian and Pakistanis. Reality is Northern Indian have more common features to most Pakistani and its not just the appearance but language, culture the whole nine yard are similar. Like Southern Indian look very different then northern, Pathans look very different from Punjabis, Sindhis. Although Bloochi, Pathan and Kashmiris are more similar to each other. Pathans live in India too, they standout there too not just in Pakistan, there skin color has lot to do with it, since Desis are obsessed with white skin... Fair and Lovely sells for a reason

Lahore itself has mixed race, 1/3 of Lahore population is Kashmiris, even the King of Punjab aka Nawaz Shrief is not Punjabi nor does he look like typical Punjabi




There are many Khan's in India as I mentioned above, they stand out there too, it does not matter where Fawad Khan came from,his genetic is not typical UP/Bhair, he must have Phustan or Kashmiri in his genes, pure UP/Sindhi/Punjabi don't get that kind of skin color, from what I have seen, I had a friend who was Punjabi but very fair complexion, I asked him how come he is fair, well because his Mom was Kashmiri... I would be very surprise if Fawad Khan has no genetic heritage of Pathans...Imran Khan is Nazi, they are from Mainwali and are Pathan, by now everybody even in India knows that


BTW: Your skin color does not get effected by living in warm climate. Inter breeding changes it over time. Europeans are living in USA/AUS/Africa for centuries, but their color and many features remains same because of very little cross marriage, they had inter white marriages but not blacks and brown. Historically Pathans and Punjabi or Sindhi have very little inter marriage, that's why their features remain distinctive. In next few 100 years that many change, because now people are more open to cross breeding and marriages or they will since communities are bigger and metro compare to past.

Once again, being a Khan isn't the same as a pathan. Khan is a common name in Pakistan that even non pakhtuns use, it was brought to us by mughals. I also can't take you seriously when you make generalizations that no Sindhi or Punjabi can be "light skinned" unless they're mixed with some "superior race" in your view. I frankly consider Eastern Pakistanis as good looking people and believe we need better representation, we shouldn't be treated like we're inferior when we are in fact the sons of the soil and should rule this country.

 

[yasir]

Once again, being a Khan isn't the same as a pathan. Khan is a common name in Pakistan that even non pakhtuns use, it was brought to us by mughals. I also can't take you seriously when you make generalizations that no Sindhi or Punjabi can be "light skinned" unless they're mixed with some "superior race" in your view. I frankly consider Eastern Pakistanis as good looking people and believe we need better representation, we shouldn't be treated like we're inferior when we are in fact the sons of the soil and should rule this country.

Khan is associated to Pathans for most part in Pakistan and Desi culture. Feudals have different Sir names in Punjab or Sindh, Waders, Shah, Chaudries etc, I don't remember ever encountering Khan as a Sir name, for somebody who is not Pathan.

As far as fair complexion its not matter of superiority, but a genetic factor. But in our culture fair complexion is associated to superiority specially in areas where it is rare, not that much up north where everybody is fair. In movies, literature the same southern guys associated beauty with fair complexion, its not necessary invented by people up north. When a culture associate beauty with color, naturally that color will get superiority, everybody is contributing in creating that culture, not just the ones with that particular color.

Some of the traits like eye colors are because of recessive genes, its really hard to get colored eyes without not so distant relative with that particular genes and that too from both side, that is sort of direct relationship.

Which Country you are talking about and who are Son of that soil??? - Pakistanis don't just the color but the whole package to be western when it comes to top leaders. Quaid, Bhutto and now Imran are anything but typical Pakistani, they are more western than Pakistani. Their kids are brought up in west, can barely speak local language. Most of them did not know the language and culture for most part. This white labeling works for them pretty well, it has never created any issue for them, its more of a good check mark for them... Ironically the other non-sense idea which people care a lot about aka religion, is also overlooked when it comes to white look a like leaders

 

[enkidu_]

Also, you put Azhar Ali, Hafeez, Aslam, Sarfraz, Umar Akmal, Wahab Riaz, Rhat Ali, Amir, Imad Wasim.... anywhere in India, people would not bat an eyelid. They look exactly like Indians. Even in South India, people would not differentiate them.

Except for the likes of Afridi, Yasir Shah, Misbah etc, rest of the Pak team will easily pass as Indian.

Looks like there's no point in debating. "Individually" you'll find a Latino star who could "pass" as some kind of "Indian". "Individually" is the key word. "Individually" Azhar Ali (as you talked of him first) passes from Morocco up to Iran. "Individually". Now, take 100 peoples from Lahore (Azhar Ali's city), then 100 peoples from Casablanca, 100 peoples from Tehran, 100 peoples from Amritsar, 100 peoples from Mumbai, ... would they look the same ? I try to be the least complicated possible.

In fact, let me ask you the question the other way, which always highlight the double standards of Indocentric Indians : do Indian Punjabis look like Indian Rajasthanis who look like Indian Biharis who look like Indian Tamils, etc ? If India is "diverse", why can't Pak Punjab, with its own internal diversity, be dissociated from Indian Punjab, let alone everything from Kashmir to Kanyakumari ?

I can't put it simpler.

 

[Pakistanian]

Khan is associated to Pathans for most part in Pakistan and Desi culture. Feudals have different Sir names in Punjab or Sindh, Waders, Shah, Chaudries etc, I don't remember ever encountering Khan as a Sir name, for somebody who is not Pathan.

As far as fair complexion its not matter of superiority, but a genetic factor. But in our culture fair complexion is associated to superiority specially in areas where it is rare, not that much up north where everybody is fair. In movies, literature the same southern guys associated beauty with fair complexion, its not necessary invented by people up north. When a culture associate beauty with color, naturally that color will get superiority, everybody is contributing in creating that culture, not just the ones with that particular color.

Some of the traits like eye colors are because of recessive genes, its really hard to get colored eyes without not so distant relative with that particular genes and that too from both side, that is sort of direct relationship.

Which Country you are talking about and who are Son of that soil??? - Pakistanis don't just the color but the whole package to be western when it comes to top leaders. Quaid, Bhutto and now Imran are anything but typical Pakistani, they are more western than Pakistani. Their kids are brought up in west, can barely speak local language. Most of them did not know the language and culture for most part. This white labeling works for them pretty well, it has never created any issue for them, its more of a good check mark for them... Ironically the other non-sense idea which people care a lot about aka religion, is also overlooked when it comes to white look a like leaders

This is rooted in ignorance, khan is a very common surname among urdu speakers, at least 1/3rd of them have that surname but they're not pathans and don't look like them. Khan is commonly used as a title in Punjab and Sindh, you clearly don't know anything about Pakistani culture, Amir Khan Janjua (the Boxer), Mohammad Khan Junejo, Sadiq Khan, Sharjeel Khan and Chaudry Nisar Ali Khan all have that surname. It's used in place of Singh for Muslims. and lol at everybody being fair in the north, majority of Pakhtuns and other northern Pakistanis aren't fair skinned, I don't have to post pictures from google to prove that, just look at Malala or the Afghan President. Malala wrote in her book that girls in Swat would use fair and lovely and that her father felt discriminated because of his dark skin in Swat which is why he married a fair skinned lady, this is one of the reasons why it's so common in Pashto music videos and movies to see the women caked in make up, I' ve read blogs by Pashtun writers who claim that whitewashing is rampant in the Pashto entertainment industry. This also another reason for why Afghans look down on Pakistanis.

For me anybody that thinks they're superior and brags about being better looking than the average Pakistani because of their 700 years whatever glorified ancestry shouldn't really teach us Pakistanis about our culture, like I said i'll take a son of the soil over a settler-colonialists any day.

 

[speed]

Khan is associated to Pathans for most part in Pakistan and Desi culture. Feudals have different Sir names in Punjab or Sindh, Waders, Shah, Chaudries etc, I don't remember ever encountering Khan as a Sir name, for somebody who is not Pathan.

As far as fair complexion its not matter of superiority, but a genetic factor. But in our culture fair complexion is associated to superiority specially in areas where it is rare, not that much up north where everybody is fair. In movies, literature the same southern guys associated beauty with fair complexion, its not necessary invented by people up north. When a culture associate beauty with color, naturally that color will get superiority, everybody is contributing in creating that culture, not just the ones with that particular color.

Some of the traits like eye colors are because of recessive genes, its really hard to get colored eyes without not so distant relative with that particular genes and that too from both side, that is sort of direct relationship.

Which Country you are talking about and who are Son of that soil??? - Pakistanis don't just the color but the whole package to be western when it comes to top leaders. Quaid, Bhutto and now Imran are anything but typical Pakistani, they are more western than Pakistani. Their kids are brought up in west, can barely speak local language. Most of them did not know the language and culture for most part. This white labeling works for them pretty well, it has never created any issue for them, its more of a good check mark for them... Ironically the other non-sense idea which people care a lot about aka religion, is also overlooked when it comes to white look a like leaders

lots of rajputs have khan as their surname, rajput soldiers in the Mughal army who converted to Islam were given the Khan surname in place of singh or whatever else was common amongst rajputs.

 

[TSA321]

I also can't take you seriously when you make generalizations that no Sindhi or Punjabi can be "light skinned" unless they're mixed with some "superior race" in your view.

I wonder if he thinks all those fair skinned Indian Hindus (e.g. Brahmins) also have Pashtun or Kashmiri ancestry.

 

[Pakistanian]

[MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION] I looked up your tribe, turns out this lady named Tasnim Aslam who's a spokeswoman for the foreign ministry is a Sudhan, I thought she was Punjabi.

The President of AJK, Sardar Yaqoob Khan is from your tribe and he also looks Punjabi

I also heard ex Cricketer Abdur Rauf Khan is also a Sudhan and he looks Punjabi too.

 

[javiersuka]

I have found the Indians having origin in Pakistan / Iran a lot more different in their Skin tones compared to other North Indians.

The Hindu Sindhis that migrated to Mumbai in 1947 do not look like any of the Local Marathi or Biharis or Rajasthanis or UP Wallahs. Most of them are so light skinned, one can easily conclude they are not indigenous people at all. So many of the Sindhi Women that I came across had the typical Benazir Bhutto look.

Same with the Parsis in Mumbai, in my College initially I felt they were foreign students instead of our regular Indians.

And offcourse then the Punjabis like Kapoors, Khannas, Malhotras, Aroras, Sehgals, Dutts, Khuranas, Chopras, Grovers, Bindras, Batras, Bedis who are standouts in their appearance and incidentally also dominate Bollywood due to their prominent good looks.

Then there are Kashmiris.

Also, in a lot of North Indian States one can easily differentiate between a Brahmin and a Dalit with ease. For example in Maharashtra, a typical Dalit is more likely to have looks and skin tone similar to somebody like Vinod Kambli whereas a Brahmin is likely to be fair skinned like Agarkar. And among some of the Brahmin communities, fair skin as well as Blue /Green eye are a trademark. Agarkar himself belongs to one such category of Chitpavan Brahmins.

 

[enkidu_]

lots of rajputs have khan as their surname, rajput soldiers in the Mughal army who converted to Islam were given the Khan surname in place of singh or whatever else was common amongst rajputs.

My own maternal grandfather was a Khan. Famed British boxer Amir Khan is a Rajput from Potohar. "Khan" was mainly a title, and in the pre modern times, used by tons of ethnic groups in the Persianate world (Persians, Uzbeks, etc, etc). I've seen many Sudhans, and no one would stick out in Punjab and Sindh the way he sounds ("I was considered foreigner in the very city I was born and brought up, because again complexion and features are very different" looooool.)

[MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION] I looked up your tribe, turns out this lady named Tasnim Aslam who's a spokeswoman for the foreign ministry is a Sudhan, I thought she was Punjabi.

The President of AJK, Sardar Yaqoob Khan is from your tribe and he also looks Punjabi

I also heard ex Cricketer Abdur Rauf Khan is also a Sudhan and he looks Punjabi too.

Exactly, Abdur Rauf was born in Punjab but is a Sudhan, and as you can see, he'll not stick out like a Swede in China :

it's true phenotypically they differ from Punjabis, but not the way Punjabis differ from Rajasthanis or Biharis, that's a gross exaggeration.

 

[yasir]

This is rooted in ignorance, khan is a very common surname among urdu speakers, at least 1/3rd of them have that surname but they're not pathans and don't look like them. Khan is commonly used as a title in Punjab and Sindh, you clearly don't know anything about Pakistani culture, Amir Khan Janjua (the Boxer), Mohammad Khan Junejo, Sadiq Khan, Sharjeel Khan and Chaudry Nisar Ali Khan all have that surname. It's used in place of Singh for Muslims. and lol at everybody being fair in the north, majority of Pakhtuns and other northern Pakistanis aren't fair skinned, I don't have to post pictures from google to prove that, just look at Malala or the Afghan President. Malala wrote in her book that girls in Swat would use fair and lovely and that her father felt discriminated because of his dark skin in Swat which is why he married a fair skinned lady, this is one of the reasons why it's so common in Pashto music videos and movies to see the women caked in make up, I' ve read blogs by Pashtun writers who claim that whitewashing is rampant in the Pashto entertainment industry. This also another reason for why Afghans look down on Pakistanis.

For me anybody that thinks they're superior and brags about being better looking than the average Pakistani because of their 700 years whatever glorified ancestry shouldn't really teach us Pakistanis about our culture, like I said i'll take a son of the soil over a settler-colonialists any day.

Names you have mentioned are self explanatory, 'Chaudry Nisar Ali Khan' that's his name, everybody calls him Chaudry Nasir, nobody calls him Nasir Khan, I have lived in Pindi for 25 years, never heard anybody or he himself call him Khan... Same goes for many other 'Mohammad Khan Junejo' is really Junejo, not Khan... At times its fashionable to put name 'Khan' in front of the name, that's maybe from the times of Mugals, but that does not make these guys Khan, which for most part signifies ethnicity....


BTW: I did not started this bragging about race or color or this thread. Why Pakistanis are bragging about better looking than Indian?? - Its same country, same race, 60 years does not make a new race, nation itself is a fluid idea, today you made it based on religion, tomorrow it could be something else, nation based on religion has fallen flat and did not pan out... More you talk about religion more divisive it gets, well like race, you got to talk about substance and not non-sense.

 

[Dman]

Yr

The Tall, light and Blue Eyed Pashtun stud from Afghanistan.

 

[Pakistanian]

Names you have mentioned are self explanatory, 'Chaudry Nisar Ali Khan' that's his name, everybody calls him Chaudry Nasir, nobody calls him Nasir Khan, I have lived in Pindi for 25 years, never heard anybody or he himself call him Khan... Same goes for many other 'Mohammad Khan Junejo' is really Junejo, not Khan... At times its fashionable to put name 'Khan' in front of the name, that's maybe from the times of Mugals, but that does not make these guys Khan, which for most part signifies ethnicity....


BTW: I did not started this bragging about race or color or this thread. Why Pakistanis are bragging about better looking than Indian?? - Its same country, same race, 60 years does not make a new race, nation itself is a fluid idea, today you made it based on religion, tomorrow it could be something else, nation based on religion has fallen flat and did not pan out... More you talk about religion more divisive it gets, well like race, you got to talk about substance and not non-sense.

Every other urdu speaker I met in America has khan as their last name, it's so common. Khan is a title, Pashtuns don't own it, it was brought to you guys mughals or imposed cause of mongol invasions so you have no right to claim that a Punjabi or Sindhi or Baloch can't keep khan as their title, even for Pashtuns you guys have tribe names, Khan is not a tribe - people address Pashtuns by their names, like Afridi, Durrani, Yusufzai etc

I live in America, I can 7 out of 10 times tell if somebody is Indian or Pakistani, it doesn't matter what their color is. I can tell by their features, the way they walk, they speak, their mannerisms and even the way they dress. It's a vibe only somebody from the group can understand, you can't put your finger on it but it's their, like I said you wouldn't know. As for non-sense, I've seen Sudhans and none looked like Pashtuns, they speak a Punjabi dialect, behave like us, live east of the indus, so anybody claiming that they're special is just non-sense. Guess what, it's 2016 and there's something call DNA testing and Sudhans have the same dna make up as Punjabis lol, even Pathans arent that different according to those tests, so nobody can be fooled anymore because of genetic testing.

 

[Suleiman]

Love these type of threads. Really brings out the insecurity in some people as they magically transform into genetics professors and historians fighting each other on who has better looking people even though they themselves might look bog average.

 

[Pakistanian]

Love these type of threads. Really brings out the insecurity in some people as they magically transform into genetics professors and historians fighting each other on who has better looking people even though they themselves might look bog average.

I never claimed to be better looking, I was just refuting the other guy claiming that his people are some exotic minority in Pakistan and that we're all just Indians.

 

[Suleiman]

I never claimed to be better looking, I was just refuting the other guy claiming that his people are some exotic minority in Pakistan and that we're all just Indians.

Nah, wasn't talking about you specifically, just saying in general, even irl it's the same from what I've seen.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

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The Tall, light and Blue Eyed Pashtun stud from Afghanistan.

Pashtuns can look very different. This black is a rarity thought. He almost looks like a South Indian. He is strongly build thought, so he is Pashtun

 

[Badsha]

I know, somebody with light eyes or dark skin or an afro isn't any less Pakistani to me. I embrace the diversity but we shouldn't be suckers for certain features that the majority don't have.

No one is being "a sucker" many of us just find blue eyes nice to look at. I myself have brown eyes so I'm not being a "sucker" but appreciating it.

 

[amax]

I have found the Indians having origin in Pakistan / Iran a lot more different in their Skin tones compared to other North Indians.

The Hindu Sindhis that migrated to Mumbai in 1947 do not look like any of the Local Marathi or Biharis or Rajasthanis or UP Wallahs. Most of them are so light skinned, one can easily conclude they are not indigenous people at all. So many of the Sindhi Women that I came across had the typical Benazir Bhutto look.

Same with the Parsis in Mumbai, in my College initially I felt they were foreign students instead of our regular Indians.

And offcourse then the Punjabis like Kapoors, Khannas, Malhotras, Aroras, Sehgals, Dutts, Khuranas, Chopras, Grovers, Bindras, Batras, Bedis who are standouts in their appearance and incidentally also dominate Bollywood due to their prominent good looks.

Then there are Kashmiris.

Also, in a lot of North Indian States one can easily differentiate between a Brahmin and a Dalit with ease. For example in Maharashtra, a typical Dalit is more likely to have looks and skin tone similar to somebody like Vinod Kambli whereas a Brahmin is likely to be fair skinned like Agarkar. And among some of the Brahmin communities, fair skin as well as Blue /Green eye are a trademark. Agarkar himself belongs to one such category of Chitpavan Brahmins.

talking about Punjabi/Sindhis, I have been told more than once by Indians in real life regarding how the people who migrated from Pakistan are perceived as in their new homes(Khatris in UP and Sindhis in Mumbai). According to one guy Sindhis are even lumped with Parsis in Mumbai. The reality is Many Punjabi/Sindhis share genetic and racial similarities with their Northern and Western Country men, what happens is that locals are so used to seeing each that they can tell apart minute differences, a third person/outsider will defo see lot of overlapping among all Indigenous Pakistani groups. Saying that many Pak Punjabi/Sindhis look generic South Asian as well.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Lol so much insecurity in this thread - It's unbelievable !!!



P.S. I adore people from Morocco though

 

[msb314]

He looks like just another pure blood Pathan. There are countless such men here in Peshawar.

He looks good in the original picture but it is heavily edited by the photographer. In the other pictures and in the video, he looks quite average.

I can understand the infatuation of the Indian girls on social media though. Compared to a generic Indian man, he looks like a supermodel which actually holds true for the majority of Pakistani men. Pakistanis on average are far better looking than Indians.

Nonetheless, I am really happy for him because it will certainly help him improve his life. Don't think he will have a big modeling career because he got this offer due to social media pressure, and once the hype dies down he will be forgotten.

However, the money that he will get from this is certainly a lot more than he earns by selling tea and it can help him look for a better career or start up some other small business. Stories like these strengthens your faith in Allah swt. Sometimes all you need is a small opening and it can come out of nowhere.

He would have never thought this would happen in a million years. The day he got photographed started like just another day for him and was supposed to end that way as well, but the Almighty had other plans.

Atheists will call this coincidence; I call this His blessing.

Alhumdullilah - I am happy for him but there are countless others like him too.

Social Media exaggerates and amplifies things far more that it should

 

[Sidilicious]

Why are people surprised that a chai wala is a handsome guy?

So the poor or the lower class cannot be good looking now? Having good looks is the right of only the bourgeois?

This whole episode reeks in feudal mentality.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Any discussion on the rich diversity in Pakistan will be incomplete without the Sheedi community.

 

[confused_amoeba]

Any discussion on the rich diversity in Pakistan will be incomplete without the Sheedi community.

Thank you for reminding us. They could become for us what black athletes are US. Give them support and training and watch them become the greatest sportsmen in every field, particularly soccer and boxing. Sadly, we have relegated them to being laborers and dancers to the hypnotic PPP anthem "Bija Teer"