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Asia Cup 2023: Pakistan (128) suffer a massive 228-run defeat against India (356/2) in the Super 4 clash

Pakistan generally underperforms when they have favorites tag. Psychologically they find it much easier as underdogs, so maybe these kind of losses will help them do well in tournaments.
 
If you are a Pakistani fan, why can't you have Mo Amir as a 4th bowler in the playing XI? He is 10 times the bowler that Faheem his and can lauch a few sixes like Faheem coming in at No.11. He may not be as as good as Faheem the batter, but Faheem is mediocre batsman anyways. He is not an all rounder.

Imagine an attack of Shaheen, Amir, Naseem and Rauf. That is as deadly as it gets.
 
mominsaigol said:
Everyone here is once again critising for the sake of critising. How many times do I have to repeat myself, pak trio is amazing but they won't perform in every match.

They aren't the problem, the problem is if they fail, we don't have anyone to compliment them, and if the succeed, very likely the other bowlers will just put pressure on then as they'll allow teams to recover.

Shadab, ifti, agha, Nawaz, faheem, these lads are terrible bowlers lol.

As for our imam and Babar, their fine, they ain't the issue, Imam is a good player but he can only function if the other person is functioning, in the past falhar was in form so imam anchored while fakhar struck, they complimented each other well, but thats not the case anymore. And Babar while a good player is not a pressure performing player.

The issue is fakhar at the top, rizwan at no 4 and a horrible middle order in general.

And the funny thing is, it's not like pakistan doesn't have options, We have plenty upon plenty of options but we aren't utilising them for these bits and pieces players.

Why isn't Abdullah opening? He's aggressive, steady and can become an ATG, he's also our best Opener of test and he found his form and rhythm back in Sri Lanka series unlike fakhar who lost it.

Why isn't saud, a genuine middle order no 4 playing? People are forgetting we won the Sri lanka test series because of these 2. Imam, Babar were hilariously bad during that series lol and would have lost us that game.

Why isn't tayyab a genuine middle order at no 5 playing?

Why isn't haris a genuine no 7 playing? Why isn't imad waseem a genuine allrounder playing while shadab a bits and pieces lad is?

Where is abrar? A genuine spinner who has been our best test bowler for a while and deserves a list A call up?

Why isn't ihsanullah or zaman Khan or arshad iqbal or genuine pacers our 4th pacer isn't of faheem?

What about side options like saim ayub? Who while raw could be given a go? 20 as good an age as any?

That's the problem with the side, We have so many options, but we keep playing a plethora of bits and pieces players for no reason?

Yes haris, Saim is raw, Saud is raw for odi, So is Abdullah and tayyab, but that's how you groom a player, but having them play constantly for their country, not shelving them as water boys and occasionally bringing them in.

Our whole team is dependant on Babar and imam performing or our bowling trio doing the work for us, if they fail which they will in some games, Game over.

India however have options, if rohit and kohli fails, ishan or pandya can recover, Gill cam also chip in.

Same with their bowlers, Kudleep and Hardick can cover if bumrah or siraj tend to have an off day. It's the same with England and Australia. They aren't dependant on only 2 batsmen and 3 bowlers in their team to do their work for them.
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As for people complaining about saud's strike rate or abdullah's lack of form in odi,

Oh bhai, they have excellent technical ability, let them play in odi for them to improve gradually. You think they'll improve by being water boys?

All these losers in our team need to go.

Openers should be

1) Abdullah
2) Imam
3) Saim Ayub( Back up)
4) Rizwan ( Backup, Try him out for opening or drop him for good)

Top order and middle should be
1) Babar
2) Saud
3) Tayyab

Lower order should be

1) Haris
2) Imad Waseem ( Genuine allrounder, much much better then Shadab)
3) Chacha

And bowling unit shpuld be

1) Zaman Khan
2) Ihsanullah
3) Naseem
4) Shaheen
5) Rauf
6) Abrar
7) Usama ( try him a few more times or drop him)

^^ These should lads should have been our 17.

Why is nawaz, Faheem, Shadab, agha, all these bits and pieces players shoving themselves into the squad.

And what's the obsession with winning 11, does squad rotation not exist?
 
Champ_Pal said:
If you are a Pakistani fan, why can't you have Mo Amir as a 4th bowler in the playing XI? He is 10 times the bowler that Faheem his and can lauch a few sixes like Faheem coming in at No.11. He may not be as as good as Faheem the batter, but Faheem is mediocre batsman anyways. He is not an all rounder.

Imagine an attack of Shaheen, Amir, Naseem and Rauf. That is as deadly as it gets.
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no, i would rather lose y 200 runs than have a match fixer representing pakistan
 
Champ_Pal said:
If you are a Pakistani fan, why can't you have Mo Amir as a 4th bowler in the playing XI? He is 10 times the bowler that Faheem his and can lauch a few sixes like Faheem coming in at No.11. He may not be as as good as Faheem the batter, but Faheem is mediocre batsman anyways. He is not an all rounder.

Imagine an attack of Shaheen, Amir, Naseem and Rauf. That is as deadly as it gets.
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For the same stupid reason why India doesn’t play Shami
 
Champ_Pal said:
If you are a Pakistani fan, why can't you have Mo Amir as a 4th bowler in the playing XI? He is 10 times the bowler that Faheem his and can lauch a few sixes like Faheem coming in at No.11. He may not be as as good as Faheem the batter, but Faheem is mediocre batsman anyways. He is not an all rounder.

Imagine an attack of Shaheen, Amir, Naseem and Rauf. That is as deadly as it gets.
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He has retired and is not playing List A , how will he be selected ? You need to play first to show your fitness for that format.
 
Champ_Pal said:
If you are a Pakistani fan, why can't you have Mo Amir as a 4th bowler in the playing XI? He is 10 times the bowler that Faheem his and can lauch a few sixes like Faheem coming in at No.11. He may not be as as good as Faheem the batter, but Faheem is mediocre batsman anyways. He is not an all rounder.

Imagine an attack of Shaheen, Amir, Naseem and Rauf. That is as deadly as it gets.
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I think Amir is finished. Hasnain can be a good option. Even Wasim Jr. or Dahani.
 
Devadwal said:
Still Pakistan fan's are think we would have won the last game .lol
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Bhai it's a different game when a team chases 260 odd. 350+ score is beyond Pak batsmens reach. They know it. They feel comfortable when it's around 250
 
Boundaries seem to have dried up. If it rains whats the DL par score
 
Would advise everyone not to read too much into this game. It was a fractured, uninspiring farcical contest. My only big concern is all our pace trio is injured.

To indian fans I say: Aao kabhi haveli pe :sarfraz

Let's meet in finals. We shall see.
 
Shafi said:
Another Parchi is gone!!! Looks like Pakistan will play same team on 14 with half fit and out of form players
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Out of form? Till the win against Bangladesh, Pakistan was being touted as the most inform team of the tournament by former so called legends on various Pakistani TV channels.
 
just kill time
cant take this game seriously isit a odi or tdi? how will it be classed?
 
Champ_Pal said:
If you are a Pakistani fan, why can't you have Mo Amir as a 4th bowler in the playing XI? He is 10 times the bowler that Faheem his and can lauch a few sixes like Faheem coming in at No.11. He may not be as as good as Faheem the batter, but Faheem is mediocre batsman anyways. He is not an all rounder.

Imagine an attack of Shaheen, Amir, Naseem and Rauf. That is as deadly as it gets.
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Please can we stop mentioning Amir. He isn't interested. He hasn't bowled a competitive ball in YEARS.
 
Kuldeep could have had Ifti there, Rahul drops a tough one.
 
Shadab is also playing on the basis of his batting , which is not good , you need to have genuine bowlers , otherwise you will get exposed against quality teams.
 
This ain’t a number 1 team if you reallly know. Good team but aren’t playing nor beating other good, quality teams regularly.
 
hitthestump said:
We were overconfident before this game so this might level us before the tournament.

This game has done a superb job of identifying and exploiting our weaknesses to the absolute max.

Credit to India for beating us so badly.
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But will Pakistan learn or has the mental strength and capacity to make tough decisions even if that means leaving Shadab or Fakhar out?
 
mominsaigol said:
Everyone here is once again critising for the sake of critising. How many times do I have to repeat myself, pak trio is amazing but they won't perform in every match.

They aren't the problem, the problem is if they fail, we don't have anyone to compliment them, and if the succeed, very likely the other bowlers will just put pressure on then as they'll allow teams to recover.

Shadab, ifti, agha, Nawaz, faheem, these lads are terrible bowlers lol.

As for our imam and Babar, their fine, they ain't the issue, Imam is a good player but he can only function if the other person is functioning, in the past falhar was in form so imam anchored while fakhar struck, they complimented each other well, but thats not the case anymore. And Babar while a good player is not a pressure performing player.

The issue is fakhar at the top, rizwan at no 4 and a horrible middle order in general.

And the funny thing is, it's not like pakistan doesn't have options, We have plenty upon plenty of options but we aren't utilising them for these bits and pieces players.

Why isn't Abdullah opening? He's aggressive, steady and can become an ATG, he's also our best Opener of test and he found his form and rhythm back in Sri Lanka series unlike fakhar who lost it.

Why isn't saud, a genuine middle order no 4 playing? People are forgetting we won the Sri lanka test series because of these 2. Imam, Babar were hilariously bad during that series lol and would have lost us that game.

Why isn't tayyab a genuine middle order at no 5 playing?

Why isn't haris a genuine no 7 playing? Why isn't imad waseem a genuine allrounder playing while shadab a bits and pieces lad is?

Where is abrar? A genuine spinner who has been our best test bowler for a while and deserves a list A call up?

Why isn't ihsanullah or zaman Khan or arshad iqbal or genuine pacers our 4th pacer isn't of faheem?

What about side options like saim ayub? Who while raw could be given a go? 20 as good an age as any?

That's the problem with the side, We have so many options, but we keep playing a plethora of bits and pieces players for no reason?

Yes haris, Saim is raw, Saud is raw for odi, So is Abdullah and tayyab, but that's how you groom a player, but having them play constantly for their country, not shelving them as water boys and occasionally bringing them in.

Our whole team is dependant on Babar and imam performing or our bowling trio doing the work for us, if they fail which they will in some games, Game over.

India however have options, if rohit and kohli fails, ishan or pandya can recover, Gill cam also chip in.

Same with their bowlers, Kudleep and Hardick can cover if bumrah or siraj tend to have an off day. It's the same with England and Australia. They aren't dependant on only 2 batsmen and 3 bowlers in their team to do their work for them.
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Very true, atleast ODIs pakistan is keeping faith on wrong options. Bits and pieces players can be helpfull in t20s but not in a 50 over game. Out of shadab, nawaz, ifti, faheem and agha, both ifti and agha are part timers as a bowler and good enough to bat at number 6. Shadab, nawaz and fahim as a bowler can be just good at maximum in helpfull conditions but horrible on a flat deck. They need to find out a specialist genuine spinner and specialist batsmans at number 4 and 5.
 
TeamPak95 said:
This ain’t a number 1 team if you reallly know. Good team but aren’t playing nor beating other good, quality teams regularly.
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I think Pakistan are #4 or #5 in ODI.

1st is England. 2nd is Australia. 3rd is New Zealand. 4th and 5th are India and Pakistan (India and Pakistan are at similar level in ODI).
 
Justcrazy said:
Shadab is also playing on the basis of his batting , which is not good , you need to have genuine bowlers , otherwise you will get exposed against quality teams.
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Who are your genuine short term alternatives to Shadab?
 
Jazx said:
Very true, atleast ODIs pakistan is keeping faith on wrong options. Bits and pieces players can be helpfull in t20s but not in a 50 over game. Out of shadab, nawaz, ifti, faheem and agha, both ifti and agha are part timers as a bowler and good enough to bat at number 6. Shadab, nawaz and fahim as a bowler can be just good at maximum in helpfull conditions but horrible on a flat deck. They need to find out a specialist genuine spinner and specialist batsmans at number 4 and 5.
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Pakistan refuse to learn from mistakes.
 
I think Pakistan is forcing India to bowl all 50 overs because India has a game tomr, and they want to get them an injury or fitness issue..
 
Look, at the end of the day pakistan faces the problem of just relying on 3 bowlers and 2 batsmen to save them, neither of those 2 batsmen are match winners, just very good accumulators.

India, Australia, England these sides do not.

If rohit and kholi fail, pandya, Sheryas, Rahul, Kishan, Gill ( all can chip in, unless everyone collapses which will rarely happen) theirs a reason India recovered and got to 266 whereas if pak were 66/4, then even if India had gotten the world's worst bowlers we'd never make it to 266 lol. Same with bowlers, if our bowling trio fails then game over, but if bumrah, Siraj or pandya fail, Kudleep and bring it back, and jadeja can also bring it back because he's a genuine bowler who's better them shadab.

Same with England, Bairstow and Roy fail? No problem, Butler, Malan, Hales, Ben Stokes all these lads can chip in.
 
OUT

shadab gone , so Pakistan so far so called all rounders are also proving to be useless.
 
Have to go grab food, but im still watching this game only for Chacha Ifti
 
To be honest won't really blame pacers or babar. They all individually had an off day which happens.

The most disappointing performances are Shadab and Fakhar. They were simply exposed as inadequate. Those nonsense half trackers and full tosses were what allowed India to get away.

Fakhar's struggling inns was so bad that even confidence of 2-3 other batters would have taken a beating. Would have been better if he had got out early.
 
UP said:
This encounter reminds me of 2017 CT. We got butchered by India in group stage and we butchered them back in a final.
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i always thought u were india and your name meant uttar pradesh
 
Outfield is in awful condition, very slippery. Dangerous for out fielders.
 
Anyone who says this is a 260 pitch and Pak let Indian score 350+ conveniently forget, we are playing on a reserve day.

Best not to exclude the finer details.
 
Still feel Wasim Jr. in place of Faheem would have been way better.
Also I believe Usman Qadir can prove to be way more fruitful than Shadab. He isn't that great of an all rounder either.
 
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