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Australia (352/7) defeat India (286/10) by 66 runs in in a consolation win - India win series 2-1

18 over 150 runs .If we had Pandya then we can think about it .but not now as after this pair only sky is left
 
Australia is building pressure just by great fielding . save atleast 20 -25 runs
 
Poor innings from rahul .he should have played more sensible knowing the situation
 
As I said in another thread. KL doesn't have the mental strength to play under pressure and Sky is unreliable.
India isn't winning WC with these two in middle order.
 
Ha sky the finisher
His career in odi should be khatam today. Overrated player.
 
Thanos said:
As I said in another thread. KL doesn't have the mental strength to play under pressure and Sky is unreliable.
India isn't winning WC with these two in middle order.
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I agree with this. This is what I meant when I mentioned about mental toughness but some Indian fans here just can't handle criticism.

You guys need pandya and someone better. Pant would have been great but if I were an Indian selector I would trust iyer ishan instead and drop Rahul and sky.
 
Welcome to the preview of world cup semi finals or finals, and how India will loose. Batting second chasing a high target is when the team gets exposed. All the so called allrounders like Jadu, Thakur, Ashwin can't score in such situations and the middle order of Iyer and Surya can't score much while chasing.
 
happydavy said:
Welcome to the preview of world cup semi finals or finals, and how India will loose. Batting second chasing a high target is when the team gets exposed. All the so called allrounders like Jadu, Thakur, Ashwin can't score in such situations and the middle order of Iyer and Surya can't score much while chasing.
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Iyer is fine.
Ishan and pandya would be better than weak Rahul and sky. If india pick sky in particular they would lose easily.
 
Kl Rahul is the most overrated cricketer I have ever seen. Never once has he scored tough runs. Timid player.

Mediocre talent. Mediocre player.
 
India should try jaiswal with Gill and rohit
Kohli
Iyer
Ishan
Pandya
Sundar
 
What is this chest thumping by certain fans ? We are without gill and Pandya if both have Play we would have won .but NVM it was just a dead rubber so we were giving rest for important players
 
This is the weakest tail by far. Kuldeep can't lift a bat. He is so weak and frail. Bumrah is a 10 run player. Prasidh I don't know. I am sure he is a dud bat. Siraj can't bat.
Ha

If we can make early inroads with shaheen and get india 3 down, the game is in the bag. Weak tail batting and middle order mentally weak players like Rahul and sky if they play would pave the way for us easily.
 
Rohit
Gill
King
Iyer
Rahul
Pandya
Jadeja
Kuldeep
Shami/ Ashwin ( depending on pitch)
Siraj
Bumrah

This should be eleven for 8th October game
 
kron said:
Kl Rahul is the most overrated cricketer I have ever seen. Never once has he scored tough runs. Timid player.

Mediocre talent. Mediocre player.
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I think this would be the best lineup for India in this world cup:

1. R Sharma
2. Gill
3. Kohli
4. Iyer
5. Kishan
6. Pandya

Kishan is a better keeper batsman and Iyer is a better #4 than Rahul.
 
Third Man said:
I think this would be the best lineup for India in this world cup:

1. R Sharma
2. Gill
3. Kohli
4. Iyer
5. Kishan
6. Pandya

Kishan is a better keeper batsman and Iyer is a better #4 than Rahul.
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India are like us man. They will stick with experience. Desi mentality. They will get exposed lol. Who cares.
 
kron said:
This is the weakest tail by far. Kuldeep can't lift a bat. He is so weak and frail. Bumrah is a 10 run player. Prasidh I don't know. I am sure he is a dud bat. Siraj can't bat.
Ha

If we can make early inroads with shaheen and get india 3 down, the game is in the bag. Weak tail batting and middle order mentally weak players like Rahul and sky if they play would pave the way for us easily.
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You guys were taken four wicket (6 6/4 )on a Pacers friendly pitch still India scored match winning score of 266.
 
It is better to identify players who can handle pressure in chase + bat in middle order. Pandya is the only one who instills that confidence! He is so crucial for the team for this parameter + the balance he gives in terms of bowling. India should not play a 3rd seamer in the world cup and rely on Pandya and go with 3 spinners (if 1 is Jadeja and may be even play Sundar for the way he bowled today) + 2 pacers. No point in playing extra bowlers who can't bat. Sundar should play instead of Thakur and he is another guy who gives confidence outside Pandya (for that specific role which I mentioned above, please don't experiment opening with him, now its not the time) and the other person who gives that confidence is Pant as someone pointed out. India will be better playing the below team:

Rohit
Kishan
Gill (if Rohit is there in the team)
Kohli
Iyer
Sundar
Pandya
Jadeja
Kuldeep
Bumrah
Siraj

Only this lineup and this particular batting lineup can handle a chase in WC Knockout game! OR drop Rohit make Gill to open and have Rahul at No.5 (But having Rohit is much better than having timid Rahul). We should have ideally had guys like Jaishwal, Pant... in the team.

Rahul, Thakur, Shami, etc, can play in some of the insignficant league matches and keep the important guys fresh for the knockouts...
 
kron said:
Was that a 300 plus score though? Maybe Rahul is ok. But sky is trash.
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Sky is not playing every game .he is just backup batsman. Rahul is fine in middle over once Pandya come our batting strength is improved. His inclusion just give us balance which we are lacking now .
 
kron said:
This is the weakest tail by far. Kuldeep can't lift a bat. He is so weak and frail. Bumrah is a 10 run player. Prasidh I don't know. I am sure he is a dud bat. Siraj can't bat.
Ha

If we can make early inroads with shaheen and get india 3 down, the game is in the bag. Weak tail batting and middle order mentally weak players like Rahul and sky if they play would pave the way for us easily.
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This team is not going to play , this is just to give practice , Thakur would be playing as third spinner
 
RamLakhan said:
It is better to identify players who can handle pressure in chase + bat in middle order. Pandya is the only one who instills that confidence! He is so crucial for the team for this parameter + the balance he gives in terms of bowling. India should not play a 3rd seamer in the world cup and rely on Pandya and go with 3 spinners (if 1 is Jadeja and may be even play Sundar for the way he bowled today) + 2 pacers. No point in playing extra bowlers who can't bat. Sundar should play instead of Thakur and he is another guy who gives confidence outside Pandya (for that specific role which I mentioned above) and the other person who gives that confidence is Pant as someone pointed out. India will be better playing the below team:

Rohit
Kishan
Gill (if Rohit is there in the team)
Kohli
Iyer
Sundar
Pandya
Jadeja
Kuldeep
Bumrah
Siraj

Only this lineup and this particular batting lineup can handle a chase in WC Knockout game! OR drop Rohit make Gill to open and have Rahul at No.5 (But having Rohit is much better than having timid Rahul). We should have ideally had guys like Jaishwal, Pant... in the team.

Rahul, Thakur, Shami, etc, can play in some of the insignficant league matches and keep the important guys fresh for the knockouts...
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Sundar is carp Bowler so his batting. Kishan is also heck who don't know how to rotate strike . Rahul is very important members of this team and he is not going to dropped .
 
Devadwal said:
Sundar is carp Bowler so his batting. Kishan is also heck who don't know how to rotate strike . Rahul is very important members of this team and he is not going to dropped .
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In an icc event has Rahul ever helped India win vs a top 3 side? Can't ever think of one.
 
To be honest Sundar is better option than jadeja , he should be given a few games , his bowling is nice ,and he can bat in any position.
 
Justcrazy said:
To be honest Sundar is better option than jadeja , he should be given a few games , his bowling is nice ,and he can bat in any position.
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He is not going to be selected in 15 members squad .it's either Axar or Ashwin . Tomorrow is last date for submitting final Squad
 
Savak said:
Disgraceful batting by Jadeja, he is not even trying to hit out and go for the target.
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He is a stubborn player too. If top 3 don't fire we cam definitely rip into their tail easily. Jadeja sky and Rahul are 90s cricketers. Lol. India keep selecting them.
 
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Change of pace and variations from the pacers will be vital in this world cup especially as the ball gets older. Batsmen are going to struggle to time the big shots. Good spinners will come into play as well.
 
Savak said:
Change of pace and variations from the pacers will be vital in this world cup especially as the ball gets older. Batsmen are going to struggle to time the big shots. Good spinners will come into play as well.
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I expect some dew with temperatures dropping in October especially in North india
 
SKY is definitely out of the playing XI now. He has made it clear that he is useless in any situation other than coming out to bat at 280/4 while setting a total...

Likely XI for Australia in Chennai -

Rohit
Gill
Kohli
Rahul
Iyer
Pandya
Jadeja
Ashwin
Kuldeep
Bumrah
Siraj
 
India's tail seems to be a big problem especially if you get rid of the top 6-7 early. Problem is India's top order of Rohit, Gill, Kohli, Iyer, KL Rahul, Kishan, Pandya will very rarely fail.
 
This was a good practice series for both teams.

Aussies have shown they are one of the favorites.
 
Devadwal said:
What is this chest thumping by certain fans ? We are without gill and Pandya if both have Play we would have won .but NVM it was just a dead rubber so we were giving rest for important players
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True. Unlike some nations which won't think twice to field their best 11 even against Namibia, we have covered all bases I believe. More importantly we know our WEAKNESSES and what every individual is capable of at the current moment in every type of scenario. That's more than its weight in gold. Honestly we'd have won easily with our best 11 as Aus is playing their best 11 today.
 
Mesozoic said:
Nothing to do with the wicket. It had absolutely nothing for the bowlers. Just poor batting against a part time spinner, who was smart enough to bowl to his field set..
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Poor batting by Sundar in PP when rohit was tonking Australian bowlers .If gill played along with Rohit then india would have scored 90 runs in powerplay itself.
 
Srinath_cricket said:
True. Unlike some nations which won't think twice to field their best 11 even against Namibia, we have covered all bases I believe. More importantly we know our WEAKNESSES and what every individual is capable of at the current moment in every type of scenario. That's more than its weight in gold. Honestly we'd have won easily with our best 11 as Aus is playing their best 11 today.
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Wow did someone dare to utter anything against India?
 
Mesozoic said:
SKY is definitely out of the playing XI now. He has made it clear that he is useless in any situation other than coming out to bat at 280/4 while setting a total...

Likely XI for Australia in Chennai -

Rohit
Gill
Kohli
Rahul
Iyer
Pandya
Jadeja
Ashwin
Kuldeep
Bumrah
Siraj
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Do we really need three spinners? We are not playing on proper spin friendly tracks in this World Cup.
Of course, we can consider Ashwin or Thakur based on the conditions.
 
Savak said:
India's tail seems to be a big problem especially if you get rid of the top 6-7 early. Problem is India's top order of Rohit, Gill, Kohli, Iyer, KL Rahul, Kishan, Pandya will very rarely fail.
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You are right.
Our tail starts after 6 and Kuldeep guy can't event touch the ball.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Do we really need three spinners? We are not playing on proper spin friendly tracks in this World Cup.
Of course, we can consider Ashwin or Thakur based on the conditions.
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We need two good spinners at Chennai. Jadeja is not one of them and Ashwin is not good enough to play at 7.
 
I knew this when originally Jadeja was positioned to bat at 6. That is a very weak batting line up. 5 batsmen cannot score bulk of 350 runs. Need atleast 60 to 70 runs from bottom 5
 
Australia Triumphs in Rajkot, Prevents Series Whitewash

3rd ODI (D/N), Rajkot, September 27, 2023,
Australia's tour of India

Australia 352 for 7 (Marsh 96, Smith 74, Bumrah 3-81, Kuldeep 2-48 ) beat India 286 (Rohit 81, Kohli 56, Maxwell 4-40, Hazlewood 2-42) by 66 runs

In the final ODI in Rajkot, Australia put on a stellar performance to ensure they weren't swept by India in the series. Thanks to outstanding batting performances from Marsh (96), Smith (74), and Labuschagne (72), Australia set a challenging total of 352/7. India's reply was driven by Rohit's aggressive 81 and Kohli's composed 56, but Maxwell's return to form with a 4-wicket haul ensured the hosts fell short by 66 runs, ending at 286.

Australia’s openers capitalized on a batsman-friendly surface, racing to a fiery start. Despite Bumrah's best efforts in his second spell, where he picked up three crucial wickets, Marsh and Smith's 137-run partnership hinted at a possible 400-run total. However, timely breakthroughs from the Indian bowlers kept Australia in check, finishing just past the 350-mark.

India’s response began with Rohit’s blitz, contributing 55 in a 74-run opening partnership with Sundar. Following a steady partnership with Kohli, Rohit’s exit started a downward spiral for India. Maxwell's tight bowling, combined with athleticism in the field, contained the middle order, with the rising run rate proving too much for the Indian lower order.

Though Australia clinched the final game, India secured the series 2-1 with dominant performances in the first two matches. Australia will take solace in this win going into the World Cup, as they managed to break their 5-match losing streak in ODIs. India, on the other hand, will have confidence going into the World Cup after winning the series convincingly.
 
Criticising KL or anything else is missing the forest for the trees.

India is the least data driven white ball side currently and that includes minnows like Scotland.

This is why we don't bother developing right left combinations and why Kohli still believes he is a good T20 batter when it's clear that his slow starts are unsustainable for RCB. His better performances in recent times have been as opener where he faces less spin and more pace.

His inability to hit even full tosses from spinners makes him a weak #3 currently but while he plays as opener for RCB, he insists on playing at #3 for India despite his declining spin game.

But India's issues are not even as nuanced as lack of match-up understanding and ideal entry point for batsmen.

It's the basic, highly flawed understanding of team balance which is based on an absolutely fraudulent 6 bowler theory that has no evidence to back it up.

Consider an ODI from the bowling perspective. Your best bet is to restrict teams to as low a total as possible.

Consider a world where you only have pure batters and pure bowlers.

For that, you need 50 overs of wicket taking threat . Assume that you have your 5 best bowlers who offer consistent threat and draw a high percentage of false shots over their 10 over quotas . Would an additional 6th bowler be of any use in the XI?


Absolutely not.


He would be totally redundant and replacing him with a pure batter is common sense , not just desirable.

Assume you only have 4 pure bowlers and 7 pure batsman and you are up against a team with 6 pure batsmen and 5 pure bowlers ?

The second team can definitely have 10 overs more of a threat but the first team can use that depth in batting to bat aggressively , knowing that they have another skilled batter and can take the team to an above par score and try to defend it with one bloke who simply lobs an off break no matter how bad the actual ball is.


It may or may not work depending on the risk -reward curve and whether the first team have been too conservative or too aggressive to maximise an above par score.

The point being that you can reasonably expect all members to contribute at least somewhat in their primary skills.

Now, consider a team with 6 pure bowlers and 5 batsman against another with 5 pure bowlers and 6 batsman .

Here, we KNOW for a fact that the 2nd team definitely has a distinct advantage . Because now matter how good all your 6 bowlers are, you will end up missing out on 10 overs of primary skill from the bowlers and still lose the extra batter.

Which is why, you ALWAYS compromise on bowling strength rather than batting strength in LOI cricket.


You cannot and should not play more than 5 who qualify as bowlers(bowling all-rounders) first.

There is simply no upside to playing the 6th bowler.

On the other hand , having a top 6 that has the very best batters in the country is an absolute must and non negotiable .

This of course depends on the role of batter (opener, middle order , counter attacking #6 ) .

And there maybe the possibility of an extra batter/batting allrounder or 2 increasing batting firepower at the cost of bowling strength depending on venue , availability of resources and nature of opposition.


India is the only team that looks to play an all-rounder at number 6 who is not among the top batters in the country .

Though an all-rounder and a genuine , classy one at that, he is not comparable to the best batters by any stretch of the imagination.

It is no accident that India chased against Australia when we played a genuine batter at 6 .

And that we scored 399 - a score easily above par with the extra batter and primarily bowled with wicket taking bowlers.

As long as India don't play a minimum of the best 6 batters from 1 to 6 no matter what, we will always be setting ourselves up for failure by playing extremely sub optimal cricket.

Supposed failures of individuals don't matter when the entire template is inherently limited and doomed to failure.

The foolishness and stubbornness of our captain and ex captain and refusal to even entertain change despite every evidence is absolutely disappointing for fans like me especially when you know that the team has EVERY indicator that it's a World Cup winning team and are favourites by every indicator

But it will slip away from our grasp thanks to the persistence of playing non wicket taking bowlers who will play regardless of their inability to bat .

Good luck to fellow Indian fans , to our #AsianBloc brothers and all other teams but it's hard to watch when you know why it's going to be a train wreck and there's nothing you can do about it.


The banter was lovely. Thanks for tolerating me so long @MenInG @Saj

But I need a sabbatical from cricket and especially Indian cricket :inti
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Personally gonna apologise to @ElRaja . He was right. Utterly pathetic and defensive captaincy by Rohit by continuously bowling finger spinners and not looking to attack with your best wrist spinner and another seamer. Cowardly captaincy.
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too soon to apologise, i can still be proven wrong mate, its just a warm up game.
 
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