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Australia [467 & 168/5d] defeat New Zealand [148 & 240] by 247 runs to win 2nd Test; Seal series 2-0

This is arguably the best Australian side since McGrath and Warne retired. Really happy to see atleast one team can challenge us now otherwise others were just half as good as the current Indian side at home.
 
sindhiboy said:
Pattinson is australias best bowler.

Cummins lacks variety
Starc and Hazelwood are very inconsistent.
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Cummins has enough variety for tests in which you mainly need variation in lengths to set the batsmen up along with his extraordinary lone and length. I agree Pattinson being better bowler in tests than Starc and even Hazlewood as well potential wise. Injury effected his career otherwise he would have played almost every test for Aus in last few years as he is highly rated by Aussie experts as well.
 
Titan24 said:
Expected better from no 2 ranked team. NZ even in their good form in tests in last few years havent won a series in Aus, SA, Eng or India, the only tough overseas series they won was in UAE vs Pak.
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The ranking system is flawed , there is no doubt about that.
 
Belawal2014 said:
New Zealand did better with the ball, so It kind of cancels out. Point being, both NZ and PAK are p*ss poor in Australia.
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Even in bowling with veterans like Southee, Boult and Wagner one expects wickets at crucial times rather than when the innings is close to an end. Pak attack was of young pacers debuting; Abbas was the most experienced one and he is yet to play 20 tests. Not to forget Pak is currently ranked 7th (Was 8th when toured Aus) while NZ is ranked 2nd in test rankings.
 
Titan24 said:
Even in bowling with veterans like Southee, Boult and Wagner one expects wickets at crucial times rather than when the innings is close to an end. Pak attack was of young pacers debuting; Abbas was the most experienced one and he is yet to play 20 tests. Not to forget Pak is currently ranked 7th (Was 8th when toured Aus) while NZ is ranked 2nd in test rankings.
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Southee needs to go, his time has passed and his 120kph pies aren't going to trouble anyone.
 
Titan24 said:
Even in bowling with veterans like Southee, Boult and Wagner one expects wickets at crucial times rather than when the innings is close to an end. Pak attack was of young pacers debuting; Abbas was the most experienced one and he is yet to play 20 tests. Not to forget Pak is currently ranked 7th (Was 8th when toured Aus) while NZ is ranked 2nd in test rankings.
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Not going to argue with you on who got hammered least by Australia. :saslam
 
Belawal2014 said:
Not going to argue with you on who got hammered least by Australia. :saslam
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Not denying that Pak bowling was hammered more but again difference in test ranking and experience of bowling attack was huge so I personally expected better from the NZ pacers considering how much wickets and experience they have.
 
Aman said:
Southee needs to go, his time has passed and his 120kph pies aren't going to trouble anyone.
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In NZ he is fine for the time being however in sub continent, Aus and SA I think someone with bit more pace and intensity might be more suitable.
 
If you are a professional bowler, you shouldn't even be in the team if you can't consistently bowl above 135 at a bare minimum unless you are extremely skilful like mcgrath.

If you don't have variations like bouncers, knuckle ball, inswing, outswing, Yorker, slow ball then don't play unless you can bowl at 135 plus.

In Australia you won't even get picked unless you bowl over 135 regardless of skill. That's why guys like siddle and neser are struggling to get in despite good shield performances.
 
tyron_woodley said:
If you are a professional bowler, you shouldn't even be in the team if you can't consistently bowl above 135 at a bare minimum unless you are extremely skilful like mcgrath.

If you don't have variations like bouncers, knuckle ball, inswing, outswing, Yorker, slow ball then don't play unless you can bowl at 135 plus.

In Australia you won't even get picked unless you bowl over 135 regardless of skill. That's why guys like siddle and neser are struggling to get in despite good shield performances.
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Hopefully this serves as a wake up call and we start to groom bowlers who have pace and less pathetic pace attacks which are trundling in and bowling 120 on day 1.
 
tyron_woodley said:
If you are a professional bowler, you shouldn't even be in the team if you can't consistently bowl above 135 at a bare minimum unless you are extremely skilful like mcgrath.

If you don't have variations like bouncers, knuckle ball, inswing, outswing, Yorker, slow ball then don't play unless you can bowl at 135 plus.

In Australia you won't even get picked unless you bowl over 135 regardless of skill. That's why guys like siddle and neser are struggling to get in despite good shield performances.
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Southee looks like playing cricket forever lol Just realized he is the same batch as Kane williamson, Virat.

This was the under-19 semi-final against India.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...19s-semi-final-icc-under-19-world-cup-2007-08
 
Space Cat said:
Wagner is striking at 37 balls per wicket in 2019 and his career strike rate is 51.

Thats not slow at all champ.
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It is because when has he torn through a top order?

He gets them efficiently _at the end_ after a team has already sets up a total.

SR tells us nothing about _when_ you get your wickets, just how many balls it takes, champ. He plays catch up later. When the game is already getting away.

Have a look at the scorecards of the recent series v England- he gets wickets but they come at overs 80 and afterward. That's his pattern vs good teams.
 
wrongun said:
It is because when has he torn through a top order?

He gets them efficiently _at the end_ after a team has already sets up a total.

SR tells us nothing about _when_ you get your wickets, just how many balls it takes, champ. He plays catch up later. When the game is already getting away.

Have a look at the scorecards of the recent series v England- he gets wickets but they come at overs 80 and afterward. That's his pattern vs good teams.
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very true. That's why cummins and patto will always be rated higher than starc.
 
wrongun said:
It is because when has he torn through a top order?

He gets them efficiently _at the end_ after a team has already sets up a total.

SR tells us nothing about _when_ you get your wickets, just how many balls it takes, champ. He plays catch up later. When the game is already getting away.

Have a look at the scorecards of the recent series v England- he gets wickets but they come at overs 80 and afterward. That's his pattern vs good teams.
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He is very economical. And also he is one bowler who always steps up for his captain. Let us not undermine his efforts with some usual "filters". It is Boult and Southee that have to do the wicket taking with new ball.
 
I'm starting to agree with NZC, we should focus on limited overs cricket. It makes no sense from a financial, popularity or brand perspective to continue with Test cricket.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
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2008 batch under 19 batch

Boult, Kane, Anderson, Southee
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From Left to right

Friendly neighborhood stoner, The guy who made out with the hot teacher, highschool jock, guy who plays drum in the school band.

Quite sad how Anderson's career panned out, could have been a much better version of Grandhome.
 
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tyron_woodley said:
very true. That's why cummins and patto will always be rated higher than starc.
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Yep. Agree

Starc will always be in the Brett Lee category of fast bowler, decent but below Mcgrath, Gillespie, Stuart Clark, Harris, Johnson, Pattinson, Cummins and Hazlewood amongst Australian bowlers over the last 20 years
 
Both batsmen have been in the middle for sometime now , they just need to play the ball on merit instead of looking at the target.
 
AUS - 467, 168/5 decl
NZ - 148, 170/5 (51.0 Ovs)

CRR: 3.33
 
Australia v New Zealand 2019/20 2nd Test Thu 26 December, 10:30 Local ( 02:30 AST ) MCG, Melbourne, Australia

Australia win by 247 runs


Australia - 467 & 168/5
New Zealand - 148 & 240/9


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wow Lyon. Told y'all, Lyon is key. Lyon makes the difference in australia. To beat australia you have to negate the bounce factor and more Importantly Lyon. Also outbatting them is important.
 
What a gun bowling attack we have, Cummins, Patto, Starc, Hazlewood, Lyon and we have some good reserves.

And the great thing is Patto, Cummins and Starc can all hold a bat as well and they are very good fielders.
 
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Titan24 said:
Expected better from no 2 ranked team. NZ even in their good form in tests in last few years havent won a series in Aus, SA, Eng or India, the only tough overseas series they won was in UAE vs Pak.
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More like a mentally weak Pakistan threw away that series. That 1st Test loss still disgusts me :facepalm:
 
Aus way too good and deserved winners.

Can't see anything other than a Aus vs India final in the WTC.
 
This puts Babar's performance in Australia in perspective with regards to guys like Williamson and Taylor.
 
Australia are making lots of improvement in tests under Langer. Surely they will be in the test championship final.
 
therealAB said:
Yep. Agree

Starc will always be in the Brett Lee category of fast bowler, decent but below Mcgrath, Gillespie, Stuart Clark, Harris, Johnson, Pattinson, Cummins and Hazlewood amongst Australian bowlers over the last 20 years
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tyron_woodley said:
very true. That's why cummins and patto will always be rated higher than starc.
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I agree with Starc in the Lee, rather than the ATG category- at this stage. Although both players looked at times like they might go higher. Patto won't make the list either- he'll be down with Harris just below the top rank, both had limited opportunities & suffered a few injuries. Cummins will end up the modern day Lilee one day- charisma, x factor, speed, skills & results.

Hmmm, even though that is an oft repeated statemen on Starc & the tail, the numbers don't actually stack up with that assessment of Starc though...

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricke...s/news-story/e1e8574d43c3d5c2fa935fc138c7a04e
 
Blistering Barnacle said:
This puts Babar's performance in Australia in perspective with regards to guys like Williamson and Taylor.
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He came in with Oz expecting him to be quite good & he enhanced his reputation. He delivered. If the board can get him some more Tests to play he might be up in the "Fab Four (5?)" category one day.
 
wrongun said:
Patto won't make the list either- he'll be down with Harris just below the top rank, both had limited opportunities & suffered a few injuries. Cummins will end up the modern day Lilee one day- charisma, x factor, speed, skills & results.
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Purely looking at how good a bowler is (in terms of effectiveness) I would say Harris was as good as basically any bowler ever. Even Cummins has never reached the combination of unrelenting accuracy, swing, seam and pace that he had for an admittedly short period of time. Up there with Bond and Waqar for bowlers who were brilliant but curtailed by injuries. Probably my favourite cricketer ever though so may be biased.

Brilliant article: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21550317/where-did-harris-find-swing-strength
 
cummins
hazelwood
Pattinson
starc

jhye richardson
Meredith
aaron summers

that's the depth of australia.

plus more to come. I am sure I am forgetting some but there are a lot of fast medium bowlers with decent skillset in the shield cricket format.
 
tyron_woodley said:
cummins
hazelwood
Pattinson
starc

jhye richardson
Meredith
aaron summers

that's the depth of australia.

plus more to come. I am sure I am forgetting some but there are a lot of fast medium bowlers with decent skillset in the shield cricket format.
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Wes agar
 
therealAB said:
Purely looking at how good a bowler is (in terms of effectiveness) I would say Harris was as good as basically any bowler ever. Even Cummins has never reached the combination of unrelenting accuracy, swing, seam and pace that he had for an admittedly short period of time. Up there with Bond and Waqar for bowlers who were brilliant but curtailed by injuries. Probably my favourite cricketer ever though so may be biased.

Brilliant article: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21550317/where-did-harris-find-swing-strength
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Mate, Cummins had that on debut at 18.
 
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