Australia v New Zealand | 2nd Test | WACA | Nov 13-17, 2015 | Match Thread

[ChachaCricket]

Last time NZ toured they were seamers.

For me personally, I don't like cricket on our wickets. They're too flat lately.

Hobart and Gabba are your only two wickets that offer seam. The rest have always been flat.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

They are only seamers due to weather, it isn't intentional by our curators.

Did not imply that it was intentional

 

[Gilly]

We batted poorly and gifted the majority of our wickets away (with only a handful of wickets being from genuine wicket deliveries, off memory Starcs delivery to Latham and Hazlewoods to Guptill).

Go watch the highlights, the Aussie pacers were struggling out there (Hazlewood averaging close to 50 and Johno averaging 40).

So when you wrote this about KW's innings

I suggest you watch highlights of KW's innings to truly appreciate how good it was, the time he had to play the shots against Australia's fast bowlers and the number of effortless strokes he played against 140k+ he played was unreal. No doubt the wicket was flat, but it was the more in the manner in he scored his runs,

What you actually meant was it was not that a great innings and played against poor bowling on a flat pitch.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Here's Sir Viv at the Gabba in 1980. Check out that forest man. Ball is seaming all over the place.

 

[ChachaCricket]

People need to realize that bowling quality has declined significantly. There just aren't many bowlers around capable of adapting to different conditions.

 

[Aman]

So when you wrote this about KW's innings

What you actually meant was it was not that a great innings and played against poor bowling on a flat pitch.

I rate KW's innings because of the strokeplay and technical masterclass he showed. The bowling from Aus was wayward quite often, with a lot of short wide rubbish being bowled.

 

[Gilly]

I rate KW's innings because of the strokeplay and technical masterclass he showed. The bowling from Aus was wayward quite often, with a lot of short wide rubbish being bowled.

Which technical aspect did KW surpass Khawaja.

 

[saj786]

Very true, hence the bowling averages close to 30 for most bowlers generally, the outstanding bowler of the last 5-10 years Steyn is the only standout

 

[saj786]

You don't get it.

Pressure is difficult to build when the batsmen (who have played on these wickets their whole lives) can easily get on the front foot and hit you for 4 every second ball.

Yes but your kiwi attack is so one dimensional, it lacks quality and variety, no genuine pace, no quality spinner= average

 

[zabalestmsm]

Usman Khawaja looks so composed. And is stylish as well.

 

[Aman]

Yes but your kiwi attack is so one dimensional, it lacks quality and variety, no genuine pace, no quality spinner= average

Pakistan will go there next summer and have the same happen to them.

Even the SA attack has been smashed by the Aussies, I recall the Aussies scoring at close to 6 an over the last time they toured.

482/5 on day 1 (86.5)...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/573008.html

 

[Gilly]

Pakistan will go there next summer and have the same happen to them.

Even the SA attack has been smashed by the Aussies, I recall the Aussies scoring at close to 6 an over the last time they toured.

Didn't SA win the series last time they toured.

 

[Aman]

Which technical aspect did KW surpass Khawaja.

Playing the ball late, playing deliveries outside off with soft hands, the ease and manner in which he shifts his weight to the back foot to play cut shots and backfoot punches etc.

But yeah, go on and educate me on why Khawaja put on a better technical masterclass than someone who one of your GOATs just recently called the most technically sound player in the world based off that one innings.

 

[Aman]

Didn't SA win the series last time they toured.

A side that includes and ATG like Steyn and Morkel a bowler who is more suited for these conditions have struggled here. I was using it as an example, if players like that can struggle, it's no surprise to see our inferior bowlers struggle.

 

[saj786]

Pakistan will go there next summer and have the same happen to them.

Even the SA attack has been smashed by the Aussies, I recall the Aussies scoring at close to 6 an over the last time they toured.

482/5 on day 1 (86.5)...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/573008.html

the last time south Africa touredv they won in Australia, England won here 3-4 years back, so no your argument is baseless, even when Australia beat England 5-0, in every test it was brad haddin who rescued Australia from desperate trouble in virtually every test

 

[Aman]

the last time south Africa touredv they won in Australia, England won here 3-4 years back, so no your argument is baseless, even when Australia beat England 5-0, in every test it was brad haddin who rescued Australia from desperate trouble in virtually every test

We drew 1-1 the last time we toured... you lost 0-3 IIRC...

 

[Gilly]

Playing the ball late, playing deliveries outside off with soft hands, the ease and manner in which he shifts his weight to the back foot to play cut shots and backfoot punches etc.

But yeah, go on and educate me on why Khawaja put on a better technical masterclass than someone who one of your GOATs just recently called the most technically sound player in the world based off that one innings.

I just had a good laugh how you put claim to such a magnificent innings against good bowling in one thread and in another lambasted the bowling, pitch and ball claiming it is too easy for the batsman.

 

[Gilly]

A side that includes and ATG like Steyn and Morkel a bowler who is more suited for these conditions have struggled here. I was using it as an example, if players like that can struggle, it's no surprise to see our inferior bowlers struggle.

So how do you explain the success of Harris, Johnson and even Lyon.

 

[Aman]

So how do you explain the success of Harris, Johnson and even Lyon.

Bowling against batsmen less experienced in these conditions, had they bowled to their own batsmen they'd probably be averaging around ~40.

Anyway, MJ is averaging ~40 for this series while Hazlewood is close to 50.

 

[Aman]

Khawaja sealing a spot for overseas tours

 

[Aman]

Hope we prepare green tops for the series in NZ.

Don't care if we lose, at least the cricket will be good to watch.

 

[Junaids]

Sorry bud. He can't bat 200 balls.

Yes, as [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] said, that was [MENTION=139353]ChachaCricket[/MENTION] teasing me for my earlier comments that Warner had never lasted 200 balls in a Test innings.

I am now going to eat my hat.

Dave Warner has proved me wrong, and that he has the potential to bat long as well as fast.

Previously his best purple patch (South Africa, 2013-14) was rather like the start of Umar Akmal's career, or like Azhar Mahmood in South Africa 16 years earlier.

But he has learned lessons that I thought that he was incapable of, about the value of batting long as an opener.

It's just a joy to watch when a gifted but flawed cricketer irons the flaws out of his game. I remember Richard Hadlee doing it and I remember Imran Khan doing it.

And I salute Dave Warner for doing it.

Pay attention, Umar Akmal and Virat Kohli. Now you should do it!

 

[Gilly]

Bowling against batsmen less experienced in these conditions, had they bowled to their own batsmen they'd probably be averaging around ~40.

Anyway, MJ is averaging ~40 for this series while Hazlewood is close to 50.

How big is you sample size?.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Hope we prepare green tops for the series in NZ.

Don't care if we lose, at least the cricket will be good to watch.

2 tests in NZ right? When is the series?

 

[Aman]

2 tests in NZ right? When is the series?

January or February, I think.

 

[Junaids]

Looks like a slower-than-usual but still bouncy track.

Perhaps a 1-120 lunch, 2-250 tea and 5-360 close track.

Am I on track for a prize?

 

[Aman]

Am I on track for a prize?

Looking like 380/1 at stumps, so nah.

 

[ChachaCricket]

200 balls for Warner. Well played.

 

[JibranAnsari]

There is nothing in the pitch for any kind of bowler , only scoreboard pressure can yield wickets. No wonder why australian batsmen these day are chickens against any kind of movement when they are used to playing in such conditions

 

[Gilly]

There is nothing in the pitch for any kind of bowler , only scoreboard pressure can yield wickets. No wonder why australian batsmen these day are chickens against any kind of movement when they are used to playing in such conditions

Don't know why you are complaining, your team are not chickens and beat other teams away, why complain about teams that cannot play as good as your team.

 

[dhump]

Brilliant knock by Warner loved it.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Don't know why you are complaining, your team are not chickens and beat other teams away, why complain about teams that cannot play as good as your team.

Well our team and batsmen have always been like this and we have always struggled but seeing australian batsmen stopping this low against any movement you have got to blame such pitches.

 

[dhump]

Warner is looking for more runs...seems like NZ is up for massive phainta here.

 

[BigBoy123]

Yes, as [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] said, that was [MENTION=139353]ChachaCricket[/MENTION] teasing me for my earlier comments that Warner had never lasted 200 balls in a Test innings.

I am now going to eat my hat.

Dave Warner has proved me wrong, and that he has the potential to bat long as well as fast.

Previously his best purple patch (South Africa, 2013-14) was rather like the start of Umar Akmal's career, or like Azhar Mahmood in South Africa 16 years earlier.

But he has learned lessons that I thought that he was incapable of, about the value of batting long as an opener.

It's just a joy to watch when a gifted but flawed cricketer irons the flaws out of his game. I remember Richard Hadlee doing it and I remember Imran Khan doing it.

And I salute Dave Warner for doing it.

Pay attention, Umar Akmal and Virat Kohli. Now you should do it!

Stop comparing Kohli to hacks like akmal...kohli has already scored 100s everywhere inbthe world except for England (in Tests) ..but next time he goes to england he will put a better performance ..virat is already a modern great ...akmal is just am overrated rubbish cricketer

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[BigBoy123]

Henry to get a 4 fer...aus to fold under 250

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[dhump]

Love this hammering given to overrated team...Honestly people should stop hyping them.

 

[Random Aussie]

If this was a horse race they'd be putting the screen around NZ.

 

[Firebreaker]

Australia has been producing some pathetic pitches since India's tour last year.Who is to be blamed for this?

 

[dhump]

by this rate warner will end up with 1000 runs to his total in this series.

 

[dhump]

Australia has been producing some pathetic pitches since India's tour last year.Who is to be blamed for this?

Wait for NZ to bat here...Aus is winning home tests regularly so very fair wickets by far.

 

[Aman]

Need to get Bond back as bowling coach, Dimitri has been terrible for us.

 

[in_cutter]

What's happened to the highly rated Boult? NZ bowlers being pasted here- embarassing.

 

[Aman]

Love this hammering given to overrated team...Honestly people should stop hyping them.

Give it a rest, we've read the same thing at least a dozen times now. This same over rate side beat you like no tomorrow in your backyard.

 

[pakistani pride]

Aus are so dominant at home. Still the toughest place to tour.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Australia couldn't afford to leave a shred of grass on the pitch , probably would be all out in the first session.

 

[dashing_man]

Warner can easily break Lara's 400 here

 

[Aman]

What's happened to the highly rated Boult? NZ bowlers being pasted here- embarassing.

He only returned back from injury 2 weeks before the series started.

Regardless, these wickets aren't suited for him but it explains his lack of pace.

 

[Aman]

Warner can easily break Lara's 400 here

Would be a joke seeing he was dead plumb in front in the 50's. S Ravi saved him in that instance, by overestimating the bounce of the over rated WACA.

 

[dhump]

Give it a rest, we've read the same thing at least a dozen times now. This same over rate side beat you like no tomorrow in your backyard.

LOL is Pakistan now the standard of greatness in world cricket...I am just saying what I am seeing NZ getting absoulte shaved by Australia from left right and center with their bowlers getting massive beating from Warner amazing view ... Pakistan is 2nd most overrated side on PP after NewZealand...Also never forget we lost even to Zimbabwe so beating us on off day is no real achievement England was close to beat us in 1st test too.

 

[dashing_man]

Give it a rest, we've read the same thing at least a dozen times now. This same over rate side beat you like no tomorrow in your backyard.

no they didn't

the only reason this massively overrated side beat us was because of that day gap that occurred because of the incident in Pakistan. New Zealand have never won a Test series against Pakistan for over 30 years lulz

PS: I can bet my salary that Australia will whitewash you guys next year in your yard, bleee dat

 

[dhump]

Would be a joke seeing he was dead plumb in front in the 50's. S Ravi saved him in that instance, by overestimating the bounce of the over rated WACA.

No one bothered to review ???

 

[Aman]

Literally no luck this series.

KW given lbw with the ball just cliping the stumps last game, Khawaja surviving a caught behind and Warner surviving a dead set lbw.

 

[Gilly]

Would be a joke seeing he was dead plumb in front in the 50's. S Ravi saved him in that instance, by overestimating the bounce of the over rated WACA.

Was the ball hitting middle of middle, why didn't NZ call for the DRS.

 

[dashing_man]

LOL is Pakistan now the standard of greatness in world cricket...I am just saying what I am seeing NZ getting absoulte shaved by Australia from left right and center with their bowlers getting massive beating from Warner amazing view ... Pakistan is 2nd most overrated side on PP after NewZealand...Also never forget we lost even to Zimbabwe so beating us on off day is no real achievement England was close to beat us in 1st test too.

to him yes, Pakistan is the best side in the World

 

[dashing_man]

Literally no luck this series.

KW given lbw with the ball just cliping the stumps last game, Khawaja surviving a caught behind and Warner surviving a dead set lbw.

there is a Review system Aman

 

[Aman]

No one bothered to review ???

Reviewed but just saved by umpires call, even though it was hitting a good chunk. Looked dead live.

 

[dhump]

It will be a miss if Warner didn't cross 400 here stage is all set for him.

 

[Aman]

there is a Review system Aman

Umpires call has screwed us twice.

KW last game and Warner this game, both KW unlucky from it and Warner saved by it.

 

[90MPH]

NZ bowlers need something in the pitch to be effective.

Johnson and Starc are going to be more effective with their extra zip.

 

[Aman]

Was the ball hitting middle of middle, why didn't NZ call for the DRS.

We did use DRS, umpires call saved Warner.

 

[dhump]

Reviewed but just saved by umpires call, even though it was hitting a good chunk. Looked dead live.

Never fan of umpires call but rules are same for both so yeah tough for bowling side sometimes not really Warners fault or S Ravi doing his usual blunder he did much worse as an umpire.

 

[Pantani]

Australia has been producing some pathetic pitches since India's tour last year.Who is to be blamed for this?

Looks like a pitch with good bounce and carry through to the keeper. If NZ lack the bowlers to capitalise on the pace and bounce then it's their fault not the pitch's. This is not some plum pudding Abu Dhabi/Cardiff style wicket, if you have tall and fast bowlers then you're in with every chance. Even today NZ should have done much better if they didn't drop catches, set less defensive fields and had a bit of luck go their way with the umpires.

 

[Gilly]

Umpires call has screwed us twice.

KW last game and Warner this game, both KW unlucky from it and Warner saved by it.

Was the ball going to hit the stumps with KW or was it missing it completely?.

 

[Aman]

Was the ball going to hit the stumps with KW or was it missing it completely?.

Just flicking it, KW's looked close whereas Warners was dead set plumb. Check it if you like, difference was KW's was given so he had to go while Warner survived because Ravi bought into the hype of the WACCA.

 

[Convict]

Was insufficient evidence to overturn it

 

[Aman]

Pathetic.

The most embarrassing day in NZC in recent memory, performances like this will only push fans away from cricket and back to rugby and rugby league.

It's because of the black caps cricket isn't popular in NZ, for a sport to be successful there must be a decent team to get behind.

Losing to the Aussies like this is unacceptable, especially considering our long dominance over them in rugby and recent dominance over them in league.

 

[Firebreaker]

NZ is not overrated and the evidence is their performance here and in England and for Australia we all know what happened with them

 

[Aman]

NZ is not overrated and the evidence is their performance here and in England and for Australia we all know what happened with them

People having a laugh at NZ don't get it.

Performances like this will only push fans in NZ away from cricket... no one wants to follow a team of losers.

 

[dashing_man]

NZ is not overrated and the evidence is their performance here and in England and for Australia we all know what happened with them

yes a side is not overrated when they haven't won a test series against SA for GOD knows how long and they haven't won a series against Pakistan for over 30 years now. Even when Pakistan was down in tatters after the 2003 World Cup, New Zealand got whitewashed by the young lads. Yes, definitely not overrated

 

[Amjid Javed]

Another dire performance with ball from the kiwis, looks like this will be like the 1st test where Aussies will wrack up 600 runs before tea on day 2 and then have a go at kiwi batsmen.

1 maiden has been bowled in entire day that somes up kiwis patheti effort.

 

[Amjid Javed]

400 up for the Aussies in a day.

403/1 )

 

[dashing_man]

People having a laugh at NZ don't get it.

Performances like this will only push fans in NZ away from cricket... no one wants to follow a team of losers.

NZ was never a team of winners in the first place

NZ never have won a series against SA

NZ haven't won a series against Pakistan for over 30 years

NZ haven't won a series against Australia for long time as well, I reckon 25+ years

 

[dashing_man]

Why were Warner and Khwaja hugging )

 

[dhump]

Massive phainta I am happy I decided to work from home today never though I will have this treat to watch....400 in 1 day losing 1 wicket is just amazing batting friendly conditions or not which is yet to be proven let NZ bat here.

 

[Mamoon]

Trent Bolt is so over rated, its unbelievable. Same goes for Southee. Just like Anderson, so dependant on clouds.

Watch the UAE series again.

Southee isn't top quality but Boult is, people are writing him off based on two bad games. He is a special talent and will be back with a bang.

NZ need to groom Milne for tours of Australia etc. He is too raw at the moment but the potential is certainly there.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Khawaja gone for 121, finally a wicket for the kiwis.

 

[dhump]

Khwaja this is just fine 400+ for 2 down and Warner still blasting in there..

 

[Amjid Javed]

Massive phainta I am happy I decided to work from home today never though I will have this treat to watch....400 in 1 day losing 1 wicket is just amazing batting friendly conditions or not which is yet to be proven let NZ bat here.

Batsmen friendly conditions or not, to conceed 400 runs in a day is always going to be down to some good batting and pathetic bowling, 2nd test in a row the kiwis have bowled to short and both sides of the wicket in the game.

 

[Aman]

NZ was never a team of winners in the first place

NZ never have won a series against SA

NZ haven't won a series against Pakistan for over 30 years

NZ haven't won a series against Australia for long time as well, I reckon 25+ years

And that's why cricket has never been a top sport in NZ.

It's a summer sport that only Europeans or Indians play, I think NZ could really benefit if they got Islanders and Maori kids to play.

Those guys are physically equipped for power hitting and bowling fast.

I faced an Island kid the other day, he had never bowled before but was easily the fastest bowler I had ever faced.

 

[Jabo]

Lol

Poor NZ