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Australia v Pakistan | 3rd Test | Sydney | Jan 3-7, 2017 | Day 2

No!

Babar with a duck

Both Jr have had a horrid time
Not surprised

And Babar should have played the final test game against WI

That was an awful move not to play him

Sharjeel for test was the most ridiculous choice ever

Farhat would have been better
 
QalandarFan said:
If we get through this first spell from the quick's we should bash the spinners.
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And who exactly is going to bash the spinners? Younus is not going to last any longer, Misbah done and dusted, Asad's a mental midget and will throw his wicket away once we are in midst of a collapse.
 
Jabo said:
No!

Babar with a duck

Both Jr have had a horrid time
Not surprised

And Babar should have played the final test game against WI

That was an awful move not to play him

Sharjeel for test was the most ridiculous choice ever

Farhat would have been better
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Shuldn't be batting at 3.
 
Ellipsism said:
And who exactly is going to bash the spinners? Younus is not going to last any longer, Misbah done and dusted, Asad's a mental midget and will throw his wicket away once we are in midst of a collapse.
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Trolling? Or did you watch the first test?
 
'The most talented batsman' in the country not living up to the expectations of his fans. :babar
 
Lol

Commentators thinking Afridi is coming back for ODI

wouldn't mind seeing him in t20i games though
Could be useful
 
Junaids said:
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And people think that Salman Butt would not have MASSIVELY strengthened Pakistan here.

Absolutely disgraceful.

And yet again Babar Azam ends up having to open the batting.

Absolutely disgraceful selection.
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Idrees1990 said:
ABSOLUTELY needed Salman Butt and Asif here. Opener and a new ball bowler. Garbage selection. Inzi needs to be sacked as well as misbah
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To be frank, I've finally realised that this is not just a matter of personal opinions.

It's gone far beyond a debate.

I've come to the conclusion that the people who oppose Salman Butt's selection in Australia are people who cannot be reasoned with. In fact, it's probably not safe to let them possess a pair of scissors or to write with anything other than crayons.

His record here is so exceptional, and the people picked in his place are non-performing clowns.

It is very hard to respect anybody who tries to argue that black is white, Day is Night, and Salman Butt is not better in Aussie conditions than all this lot apart from Azhar and Shafiq.

You just can't reason with some people.
 
Junaids said:
Babar Azam has had to open the batting because of the SuperGenius decision not to take Salman Butt to a place where his record is exceptional.
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Start a thread about it Juniads, i'm sure people want to keep talking about it.
 
jog_1 said:
Azhar Ali >>> Salman Butt
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So?

You do know that a team requires TWO opening batsmen?

And that without Salman Butt - who averages 42 in Australia - Pakistan's average opening partnership this series has been 12.8.

TWELVE POINT EIGHT!
 
We have to try Salman Butt is test format and barbar should be NOT play test cricket more.
 
Idrees1990 said:
Ok, then who is starc or hazlewood on our team? Wahab or Imran Khan lmao
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Not a fan of either one.

But they did manage to pick up more wickets then the "The Chosen One".

I am sorry , but I don't buy the crap of Amir has no none to support him.

He has played 5 tests Down Under and not in one of them he has looked like the bowler who can pick up wickets on his own.

Even Imran Khan came back in his other spells to pick up 2 wickets.

Amir has done zilch.
 
Muhammad10 said:
I don't get this. You're speaking as if Starc is a level above Hazlewood, despite the latter clearly being a superior bowler in Tests.
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Starc as the X factor that Hazlewood does not have. He can win you matches from nowhere.

But Hazlewood is the better test bowler.
 
Abdullah719 said:
The series is almost over. :)
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Fortunately for the rest of you, I would rather have Imam-ul-Haq selected ahead of Salman Butt going forward.

But I will not let people wriggle away from the consequences of not picking Salman Butt in Australia.

Did none of you watch the last session of Day 1 of the QEA Final, when the ball was moving under lights?

Did none of you think "that's why Salman Butt's Australian record is so exceptional: he has low-risk shots on the offside to keep the score moving."

His non-selection has been escalated by events from the status of "foolish" to "cricketing suicide".
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Not a fan of either one.

But they did manage to pick up more wickets then the "The Chosen One".

I am sorry , but I don't buy the crap of Amir has no none to support him.

He has played 5 tests Down Under and not in one of them he has looked like the bowler who can pick up wickets on his own.

Even Imran Khan came back in his other spells to pick up 2 wickets.

Amir has done zilch.
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Got a Fifer 6 years ago. Got a Fourfer in the 1st Test here. Was unlucky in the 2nd Test. Injured in the 3rd Test.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Not a fan of either one.

But they did manage to pick up more wickets then the "The Chosen One".

I am sorry , but I don't buy the crap of Amir has no none to support him.

He has played 5 tests Down Under and not in one of them he has looked like the bowler who can pick up wickets on his own.

Even Imran Khan came back in his other spells to pick up 2 wickets.

Amir has done zilch.
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People always ask if there is anyone better than Amir in Pakistan to replace him. The question is do they want to believe someone is better than him?
 
Junaids said:
Fortunately for the rest of you, I would rather have Imam-ul-Haq selected ahead of Salman Butt going forward.

But I will not let people wriggle away from the consequences of not picking Salman Butt in Australia.

Did none of you watch the last session of Day 1 of the QEA Final, when the ball was moving under lights?

Did none of you think "that's why Salman Butt's Australian record is so exceptional: he has low-risk shots on the offside to keep the score moving."

His non-selection has been escalated by events from the status of "foolish" to "cricketing suicide".
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You may have a point but it's not going to make a difference now.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Apparently the definition of 'tailender' has changed overnight.
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chill out guys i am actually fan of azhar the test batsman and that post was subtle dig at azhar haters who even used call him tailender not so long ago, and also to show how useless yk have become.
 
Noman said:
We have to try Salman Butt is test format and barbar should be NOT play test cricket more.
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No, you don't.

Salman Butt should have been here, but then replaced by Imam-ul-Haq.

Too many old players has been half the problem and omitting a top opener has made Babar Azam into a sacrificial lamb.

Salman Butt was just a short-term stopgap for Australia.

Mickey now must be given a clean slate with no player over 30 apart from Azhar Ali.

You tour South Africa in two years and can't afford to be carrying old men again or be in a state of transition.

Mickey needs to start building for that from next Sunday.
 
vivtops86 said:
People always ask if there is anyone better than Amir in Pakistan to replace him. The question is do they want to believe someone is better than him?
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Amir earned his way into the team based on his domestic performances. The fact that he has done much worse internationally just shows the class of our 1st-class structure.
 
Junaids said:
Fortunately for the rest of you, I would rather have Imam-ul-Haq selected ahead of Salman Butt going forward.

But I will not let people wriggle away from the consequences of not picking Salman Butt in Australia.

Did none of you watch the last session of Day 1 of the QEA Final, when the ball was moving under lights?

Did none of you think "that's why Salman Butt's Australian record is so exceptional: he has low-risk shots on the offside to keep the score moving."

His non-selection has been escalated by events from the status of "foolish" to "cricketing suicide".
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Let's see how exceptional the HBL attack was:

Usman Khan- 125-130 kph, can swing the ball occasional.

Fahim Ashraf- 125-130 kph, no swing

Ammad Butt- Out of form.

Because it is logical to compare HBL's side to the Aussie attack.
 
Rayyman said:
Amir earned his way into the team based on his domestic performances. The fact that he has done much worse internationally just shows the class of our 1st-class structure.
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There were many bowlers whom out performed Amir. The claim that Amir made it back into the squad based on merit is a lie.
 
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Dr_Bassim said:
Not a fan of either one.

But they did manage to pick up more wickets then the "The Chosen One".

I am sorry , but I don't buy the crap of Amir has no none to support him.

He has played 5 tests Down Under and not in one of them he has looked like the bowler who can pick up wickets on his own.

Even Imran Khan came back in his other spells to pick up 2 wickets.

Amir has done zilch.
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I happen to agree.

Like Trent Boult, he's not tall enough to excel in red ball Tests in Australia or South Africa. Either he becomes the all-rounder/third seamer, or his place is available for a taller, faster bowler.
 
Junaids said:
No, you don't.

Salman Butt should have been here, but then replaced by Imam-ul-Haq.

Too many old players has been half the problem and omitting a top opener has made Babar Azam into a sacrificial lamb.

Salman Butt was just a short-term stopgap for Australia.

Mickey now must be given a clean slate with no player over 30 apart from Azhar Ali.

You tour South Africa in two years and can't afford to be carrying old men again or be in a state of transition.

Mickey needs to start building for that from next Sunday.
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Mate give it a rest. This thrashing down under would've happened no matter who was selected for this tour. Australia have proven themselves to be too good for Pakistan and nothing would ve changed that.
 
Ellipsism said:
Let's see how exceptional the HBL attack was:

Usman Khan- 125-130 kph, can swing the ball occasional.

Fahim Ashraf- 125-130 kph, no swing

Ammad Butt- Out of form.

Because it is logical to compare HBL's side to the Aussie attack.
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Well he performed here against McGrath, Gillespie and Johnson the first year he was World Cricketer of the Year.

So his technique obviously does work in Australia.
 
Ellipsism said:
They were many bowlers whom out performed Amir. The claim that Amir made it back into the squad based on merit is a lie.
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His average was mid 20s or less in 1st class. He was the leading wicket-taker in Pakistan Cup List A. Embarrassed players in BPL. Pretty sure about this.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Mate give it a rest. This thrashing down under would've happened no matter who was selected for this tour. Australia have proven themselves to be too good for Pakistan and nothing would ve changed that.
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Sorry, but for Australian conditions this team is pretty much Pakistan B.

There is no way that Younis, Misbah and Imran/Sohail should be in the team as players, and Misbah's fields and insistence upon an overworked four man attack have run the bowlers into the ground.

And players with good records here - Butt, Asif and Umar - are not here.
 
Junaids said:
Well he performed here against McGrath, Gillespie and Johnson the first year he was World Cricketer of the Year.

So his technique obviously does work in Australia.
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He failed for the most part in the QEA against substandard attacks, what makes you think he is capable of turning that around against Starc and co?
 
Rayyman said:
His average was mid 20s or less in 1st class. He was the leading wicket-taker in Pakistan Cup List A. Embarrassed players in BPL. Pretty sure about this.
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Since when did a BPL performance warrant test selection? Heck, even Junaid Khan was running through teams in the BPL.

Again how does Amir's List-A performance warrant test selection?

His team couldn't get past the qualifying stage, where the batsman are pretty much club level.
 
Ellipsism said:
He failed for the most part in the QEA against substandard attacks, what makes you think he is capable of turning that around against Starc and co?
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No he didn't.

Salman Butt and Imam were clear at the top of the openers' records in the QEA, averaging 27 more than Hafeez, 24 more than Nasir Jamshed, 12 more than Shan Masood and 10 more than Khurram Manzoor.
 
Junaids said:
Sorry, but for Australian conditions this team is pretty much Pakistan B.

There is no way that Younis, Misbah and Imran/Sohail should be in the team as players, and Misbah's fields and insistence upon an overworked four man attack have run the bowlers into the ground.

And players with good records here - Butt, Asif and Umar - are not here.
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And when they were here they lost.
 
As I said yesterday Sharjeel Khan is no improvement on Sami Aslam and will not get more then 20. In Australian conditions they are equally as bad as each other. It makes no difference if we open with Sharjeel, Khurram Manzoor, Sami or even Nasir Jamshed when they are all of the exact same average quality. We are a team that can never win in Australian or New Zealand conditions but will do well in the UAE and subcontinent. This and the NZ tour is a wake up call as well for those who considered our incredibly overrated bowling attack as "world class". I always said here that Amir was average as well.
 
Junaids said:
No he didn't.

Salman Butt and Imam were clear at the top of the openers' records in the QEA, averaging 27 more than Hafeez, 24 more than Nasir Jamshed, 12 more than Shan Masood and 10 more than Khurram Manzoor.
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The names you mentioned made my lough, what stiff competition Salman is facing.
 
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