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Bangladesh vs Pakistan | 2nd Test | Dhaka| May 6- 10 | Day 1

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Mamoon said:
Middle order looks good and so does Sarfraz, but opening will be a problem.
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I think Shehzad will be fine as an opener in tests. He has issues with strike rotation and strike rate but in tests he doesn't really have to worry about that. As for the second opener, that is indeed a problem. Hafeez will definitely struggle overseas. Aslam's defensive technique is very poor. That leaves Babar Azam who I don't know a whole lot about and Salman Butt.
 
Azhar averages 35 in F/C cricket on Pakistani pitches, but his average in Test cricket is around 47 if you exclude 2013 where he had a dip in form and couldn't score in South Africa and even in Zimbabwe, he has been among the runs in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014 and has started off 2015 with a bang as well.

Overall, its 43 now which is far from shabby. This is why you cannot take domestic statistics seriously, you have to look at the credentials of the player.
 
Mamoon said:
Azhar averages 35 in F/C cricket on Pakistani pitches, but his average in Test cricket is around 47 if you exclude 2013 where he had a dip in form and couldn't score in South Africa and even in Zimbabwe, he has been among the runs in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014 and has started off 2015 with a bang as well.

Overall, its 43 now which is far from shabby. This is why you cannot take domestic statistics seriously, you have to look at the credentials of the player.
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Did he always play F/C as a batsman, or did he start his F/C career as a leg spinner?
 
Mamoon said:
Middle order looks good and so does Sarfraz, but opening will be a problem.
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opening will remain a problem with hafeez & now sami, let leave the hafeez but I dnt saw germs in sami to play in bowling friendly conditions.
 
[MENTION=136463]junaid.ahmed[/MENTION] [MENTION=138983]Neferpitou[/MENTION] What I meant was his reflexes have surely slowed down.

Shami bowled an ordinary ball but YK played a really awkward shot.Even in a warm-up match he got out playing a pull to Jordan.

I am very doubtful that he will be able to cope with the bouncers from Johnson,Steyn,Anderson,Morkel etc
 
Enjoying batting????? Because Pakistan is batting????? If it is Bangladesh then this thread would be full of whining!!! Flat pitch!! Dead pitch! Bla bla bla ......!!!!
 
omorst7 said:
Enjoying batting????? Because Pakistan is batting????? If it is Bangladesh then this thread would be full of whining!!! Flat pitch!! Dead pitch! Bla bla bla ......!!!!
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Lol true. But tbh I very rarely enjoy opposition's batting regardless of the format.
 
Mamoon said:
Azhar averages 35 in F/C cricket on Pakistani pitches, but his average in Test cricket is around 47 if you exclude 2013 where he had a dip in form and couldn't score in South Africa and even in Zimbabwe, he has been among the runs in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014 and has started off 2015 with a bang as well.

Overall, its 43 now which is far from shabby. This is why you cannot take domestic statistics seriously, you have to look at the credentials of the player.
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Now the thing to be seen is whether he can maintain this average or will he suffer a dip in form again and replicate his FC average.
 
omorst7 said:
Enjoying batting????? Because Pakistan is batting????? If it is Bangladesh then this thread would be full of whining!!! Flat pitch!! Dead pitch! Bla bla bla ......!!!!
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tbh there was some complaining about the pitch in the last game when Hafeez was scoring runs for fun (which is a sure-fire indication of a pitch being ridiculously flat)
 
angrypathan said:
Did he always play F/C as a batsman, or did he start his F/C career as a leg spinner?
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He started as a leg spinner, and then developed as a batsman which proves my point that you have to consider all the factors and variables. If you consider his F/C average only, you'd assume that he's a mediocre batsman not cut for Test level, but when you consider that he started batting at the age of 22 and 8 years later he is averaging 43 at Test level, it's clear that he is a very quick learner and has the talent to adapt.
 
zabalestmsm said:
Now the thing to be seen is whether he can maintain this average or will he suffer a dip in form again and replicate his FC average.
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I think he will push towards 45-46 now, because getting out cheaply has never been an issue, but he often gets out after getting a start. Needs to work on his conversion rate.

As long as you don't get out for less than 20-25 frequently, your average won't take a hit.
 
Mamoon said:
Azhar averages 35 in F/C cricket on Pakistani pitches, but his average in Test cricket is around 47 if you exclude 2013 where he had a dip in form and couldn't score in South Africa and even in Zimbabwe, he has been among the runs in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014 and has started off 2015 with a bang as well.

Overall, its 43 now which is far from shabby. This is why you cannot take domestic statistics seriously, you have to look at the credentials of the player.
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I dnt think that over weight azhar can cope with good fast bowling or a bowler of little swing but I believe for the balance team pcb must strong his bowling one new ball bowler & a decent spinner is essential required.
 
Azhar Ali.. playing ODIs and improving his strike rate has transformed his Test batting as well.

Can play briskly without much trouble now, I see a new streak of confidence in him.
 
193/2 - Excellent batting in this session, we need one more like this in final session to be in a strong position at the end of the day.
 
junaid.ahmed said:
I dnt think that over weight azhar can cope with good fast bowling or a bowler of little swing but I believe for the balance team pcb must strong his bowling one new ball bowler & a decent spinner is essential required.
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He is the best player of swing in Pakistan. Since 2010, only Cook (opener) and Sangakkara have faced more deliveries in Test cricket, and he is more often than not up against the new ball because our openers are lacklustre.

Club cricket in Scotland early in his career definitely helped his technique against the moving ball, he has developed an English trigger movement and back-lift, ideal for combating lateral movement.
 
The_KING said:
Lol true. But tbh I very rarely enjoy opposition's batting regardless of the format.
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So do I! I am big fan of YK in test but now i m not enjoying at all because it against us!! But I don't like the double standard!! Every body is praising The batsman now but if it from Bangladesh then no doubt every body would start blaming the pitch!!!
 
Mamoon said:
He is the best player of swing in Pakistan. Since 2010, only Cook (opener) and Sangakkara have faced more deliveries in Test cricket, and he is more often than not up against the new ball because our openers are lacklustre.

Club cricket in Scotland early in his career definitely helped his technique against the moving ball, he has developed an English trigger movement and back-lift, ideal for combating lateral movement.
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I agree. Didn't he score a 50 in that headingley game, in only his 2nd test, against Australia when Pakistan won?
 
I will have a cup of tea as well, two Tapal Danedar tea bags with two teaspoons of sugar and two tablespoons of EveryDay milk powder.

:waqar
 
Pakprideuk said:
I agree. Didn't he score a 50 in that headingley game, in only his 2nd test, against Australia when Pakistan won?
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Yes he did. He had a 96 at Oval as well, and overall he looked one of the better players on a tour where the conditions were truly difficult, one of the wettest English summer in a long time.

He is not clueless against swing like most of our batsmen, knows where his off-stump is.
 
angrypathan said:
yep, without which Pakistan would most likely have bottled another chase <200
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We still crapped our pants for over an hour on day 4, when we were on the brink of chasing the total. A few more runs and we would surely have bottled it.
 
fringe playa said:
[MENTION=136463]junaid.ahmed[/MENTION] [MENTION=138983]Neferpitou[/MENTION] What I meant was his reflexes have surely slowed down.

Shami bowled an ordinary ball but YK played a really awkward shot.Even in a warm-up match he got out playing a pull to Jordan.

I am very doubtful that he will be able to cope with the bouncers from Johnson,Steyn,Anderson,Morkel etc
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It wasnt an ordinary ball it was well directed bouncer secondly YK playing those matches under lot of pressure, there were so many questions on his selection in WC, been sent him as an opener cost him & pak as well as opening was never his department.

& where I said he will be successful in SA AUS. I believe that he is able to get success in eng. In england nowadays bounce depend on bowler's shoulder rather wickets.
 
I was hoping to see Imran in for junaid today but surprisingly it is Zulfiqar who is out. Dont think it was good Decision
 
Hawkeye said:
Why not let him develop, will you drop him after giving him 2 matches?...

I envy India in this regards, they know how to take care of their young batsmen... give them a long rope.
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Players, especially ones as young as Sami, develop at the domestic level. In tests we have other options and good ones like Ahmed Shehzad.

In ODIs, he seems a lot more at home and I'd have him be one of our permanent openers.
 
Both Azhar and Younis given second lives due to the no-ball.
 
Mamoon said:
He is the best player of swing in Pakistan. Since 2010, only Cook (opener) and Sangakkara have faced more deliveries in Test cricket, and he is more often than not up against the new ball because our openers are lacklustre.

Club cricket in Scotland early in his career definitely helped his technique against the moving ball, he has developed an English trigger movement and back-lift, ideal for combating lateral movement.
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He could prove to be a good Test opener as well with time! If we move him to the opening slot then Haris Sohail will also be accommodated in the playing XI at one down! Could be a facilitative move!
 
That was a pretty soft dismissal but the no ball saved YK! He sometimes gets out like tailenders!
 
omorst7 said:
Enjoying batting????? Because Pakistan is batting????? If it is Bangladesh then this thread would be full of whining!!! Flat pitch!! Dead pitch! Bla bla bla ......!!!!
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Pakistan is batting at a RR of 4. Bangladesh were batting at a snail's pace in the last game (1st innings).
 
Mamoon said:
He is the best player of swing in Pakistan. Since 2010, only Cook (opener) and Sangakkara have faced more deliveries in Test cricket, and he is more often than not up against the new ball because our openers are lacklustre.

Club cricket in Scotland early in his career definitely helped his technique against the moving ball, he has developed an English trigger movement and back-lift, ideal for combating lateral movement.
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And which is why I think he can also prove to be a good Test opener as he has proved in ODIs!
 
Bangladesh doing a Pakistan today lack of discipline and playing an unfit bowler. Advantage Pak now considering they will be batting last on this track
 
Mamoon said:
He is the best player of swing in Pakistan. Since 2010, only Cook (opener) and Sangakkara have faced more deliveries in Test cricket, and he is more often than not up against the new ball because our openers are lacklustre.

Club cricket in Scotland early in his career definitely helped his technique against the moving ball, he has developed an English trigger movement and back-lift, ideal for combating lateral movement.
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But did you notice that he was batting with a very low backlift in the last test....I donno why??was it because of thr bounce in the pitch or what??

Anyone??
 
The pitch seems to offer slight seam movement for the seamers! Imran Khan and JK will have an advantage provided they bowl in the right areas!
 
Whattay batsman, Younis Khan is, MashAllah. Seeing him score his 30th ton in his 100th game would be pleasing.
 
This test will be another boring draw!!! Both team do not have capabilities to take 20 wickets
 
Asif Javaid said:
But did you notice that he was batting with a very low backlift in the last test....I donno why??was it because of thr bounce in the pitch or what??

Anyone??
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Yes, most batsmen tend to bat with a low back-lift on subcontinent pitches because the ball does keep low.
 
Saint Younis rode his luck, now needs to convert this into a double.
 
Athar: 'its the dawn of a new era for Bangladesh cricket'

Aamer: 'its the dawn of a new era but the thinking remains the same'.

:)))
 
adarsh_bang said:
Can we really epect YK to break the 10,000 Test runs barrier??
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He will need to play like 15 20 more tests in suitable conditions.

Next 6 7 tests are in Asia if england and india series are played.

In england and australia it will be difficult for him.
 
I have an evil feeling that Azhar Ali will get out in the 90s ha ha... Come on Azhar prove me wrong!
 
Morning everyone. Just tuned in now, Pakistan going well it seems. What's the pitch like ? Another flat graveyard ?
 
Mamoon said:
Saint Younis rode his luck, now needs to convert this into a double.
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It was only the one chance, Usually a test hundred means a half chance or two.. YK has been in control pretty much.. Top Test bat..
i had written a similar coment previously, don't know where that disappeared.
 
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