BCCI loses vote in ICC revenue and constitutional changes

[JoniInsafian]

Other teams winning trophies and breaking records in what sport ? I'm certain you aren't talking about cricket.
Secondly, BCCI represents the Indian Cricket board and it's interests - whether it gets support from other boards or not isn't relevant because BCCI needs to do what's best for Indian cricket. If you have forgotten the ICC offer to India right now also is way way higher than what other boards get so don't get mistaken for that.
Thirdly, the BCCI thinks it deserves more and I rightly feel so and if they do decide to take a stand for it - all support for them. I am not sure if you have ever stood up for anything that you believed in your life but I certainly have and whether you get support from other little cricket boards or not isn't relevant.

Hahahah so you think cricket will die if India doesn't play? )

 

[KingKhanWC]

ICC should come to some sort of compromise here, give them another few percent.

True Indian, Pakistan and cricket fans don't care how much their board gets. We just want to see cricket esp Pakistan v India matches in a tournament.

India won't pull out of the CT, they are not stupid. Doing well in global tournaments give you a nation prestige way more than the IPL or even PSL.

 

[shaz619]

ICC should come to some sort of compromise here, give them another few percent.

True Indian, Pakistan and cricket fans don't care how much their board gets. We just want to see cricket esp Pakistan v India matches in a tournament.

India won't pull out of the CT, they are not stupid. Doing well in global tournaments give you a nation prestige way more than the IPL or even PSL.

I really don't think they will pull out, I've more of a chance being elected mayor of brum

 

[Ph_11]

Let me summarize so far.

(1) Everyone hates India.
(2) They love Indian revenue.
(3) Empire still wants to control the world but the sun is setting on them.

What India should do.
(1) Not leave ICC. Cool heads.
(2) Still not play bilaterals with greedy boards like Pakistan and BD.
(3) Buycott thid CT.
(4) Think through next steps carefully.

Keep on hating us. We must be doing something right.

 

[Syed1]

That way we meet you once in 4 years. You will learn to catch fish.

Lol at that unfounded arrogance )

I must have forgotten that BCCI writes us a cheque every month otherwise we have nothing to eat..

Reality check Pakistan and India last played a series all the way back in 2012. It's not like we are dying and struggling to make ends meet. The world doesn't revolve around India.

 

[Usman]

Just pull out of CT, percentage wise why India is getting 50% down whereas others make or lose insignificant amount.

BCCI isn't a charity organization, they have right to ask for certain percentage if they bring a lot to the table. With 1.2 billion population, they contribute a lot to cricket. If you are cutting from everyone certain percentage, then it should be equal cut (percentage wise), but which wasn't case. Otherwise, why would any other team support this?

You are forgetting one MASSIVE point - what is being cut now is the HUGE extra chunk of the pie which the BCCI stole from the rest lf the world, with the Big 3 takeover. The BCCI is just being forced to reverse its despicable actions of the past. It's not actually losing money.

It's like if you robbed me and I had you arrested; the police then force you to give me my money back and you say that's not fair, I am a big businessman and my wealth helped generate his income so technically that's my money, and then you say how come, Mr Police Officer, you're not making him give up any money?

Indian fans condoning this behaviour should be ashamed of themselves. Forget India Pakistan whatever - when you see an abuse of power, all of us should stand up and say no that's wrong and it makes no difference if the offender is Indian, Pakistani or any other nationality or creed.

 

[shaz619]

People are going on like it's not a big deal for India to leave cricket etc or not featuring in the CT, Indians and Pakistanis will always look to point score but from the perspective of a cricket fan it wouldn't be nice. We already have to deal with so much political nonsense, the one time pak and Ind play each other is in ICC tournaments and the encounter tends to be extra special as the bilateral do not occur; so for that to be taken away from us is very sad, no real fan of cricket will disagree with me.

 

[Ph_11]

Lol at that unfounded arrogance )

I must have forgotten that BCCI writes us a cheque every month otherwise we have nothing to eat..

Reality check Pakistan and India last played a series all the way back in 2012. It's not like we are dying and struggling to make ends meet. The world doesn't revolve around India.

But the begging does.

 

[Napa]

Indians can watch ICC events without BCCI participation.... !!!!

There is a difference between "can" and "will".

As an Indian I can tell you that Indians will NOT watch if there are no Indian players.

 

[Ph_11]

People are going on like it's not a big deal for India to leave cricket etc or not featuring in the CT, Indians and Pakistanis will always look to point score but from the perspective of a cricket fan it wouldn't be nice. We already have to deal with so much political nonsense, the one time pak and Ind play each other is in ICC tournaments and the encounter tends to be extra special as the bilateral do not occur; so for that to be taken away from us is very sad, no real fan of cricket will disagree with me.

No need to be playing if we are looted and insulted. Look at the hate and venom.

 

[Ph_11]

There is a difference between "can" and "will".

As an Indian I can tell you that Indians will NOT watch if there are no Indian players.

These guys think we will pay to watch Pakistan. How dumb.

 

[Ph_11]

You are forgetting one MASSIVE point - what is being cut now is the HUGE extra chunk of the pie which the BCCI stole from the rest lf the world, with the Big 3 takeover. The BCCI is just being forced to reverse its despicable actions of the past. It's not actually losing money.

It's like if you robbed me and I had you arrested; the police then force you to give me my money back and you say that's not fair, I am a big businessman and my wealth helped generate his income so technically that's my money, and then you say how come, Mr Police Officer, you're not making him give up any money?

Indian fans condoning this behaviour should be ashamed of themselves. Forget India Pakistan whatever - when you see an abuse of power, all of us should stand up and say no that's wrong and it makes no difference if the offender is Indian, Pakistani or any other nationality or creed.

Asking for fair right is not abuse. WE want fairness.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I really don't think they will pull out, I've more of a chance being elected mayor of brum

Pakistan V India at one time reached near 1 billion viewing figures. IPL this year has a peak of less than 200 million. If India pull out of the CT the average cricket fan in India will not be happy inc the thousands who bought tickets for Edgbaston. If they do, you should run for major publicly dennoucining BCCI as they have ruined a good day out in Birmingham. The loss of revenue for Edgbaston and the curry houses might just get you the vote needed. Don't forget me when you go big time bro

 

[Ph_11]

People are going on like it's not a big deal for India to leave cricket etc or not featuring in the CT, Indians and Pakistanis will always look to point score but from the perspective of a cricket fan it wouldn't be nice. We already have to deal with so much political nonsense, the one time pak and Ind play each other is in ICC tournaments and the encounter tends to be extra special as the bilateral do not occur; so for that to be taken away from us is very sad, no real fan of cricket will disagree with me.

I dont see a solution to our problems for a foreseeable future. Too much hate.

 

[aloo paratha]

lol you are delusional. India needs international stars to make IPL successful.

It's so funny to read because even YOUR OWN star players are a product of international cricket.

 

[Napa]

You are forgetting one MASSIVE point - what is being cut now is the HUGE extra chunk of the pie which the BCCI stole from the rest lf the world, with the Big 3 takeover.

India generates 70% of the revenues and is asking for 22%. It is donating 48% to the world. You call that stealing.

 

[aloo paratha]

Asking for fair right is not abuse. WE want fairness.

I've said this before, 3.5% sai konsa theer marna hai??

 

[Ph_11]

Pakistan V India at one time reached near 1 billion viewing figures. IPL this year has a peak of less than 200 million. If India pull out of the CT the average cricket fan in India will not be happy inc the thousands who bought tickets for Edgbaston. If they do, you should run for major publicly dennoucining BCCI as they have ruined a good day out in Birmingham. The loss of revenue for Edgbaston and the curry houses might just get you the vote needed. Don't forget me when you go big time bro

Average cricket fan in India when finds out that empire is screwing us over again they could care less about a match. The $200 million is or club figure. Watch the finals and then discuss the figures.

Fairness is needed. Not theft.

 

[Ph_11]

India generates 70% of the revenues and is asking for 22%. It is donating 48% to the world. You call that stealing.

They want all 100% from India. Then only these guys would be happy.

 

[bleaf27]

People are going on like it's not a big deal for India to leave cricket etc or not featuring in the CT, Indians and Pakistanis will always look to point score but from the perspective of a cricket fan it wouldn't be nice. We already have to deal with so much political nonsense, the one time pak and Ind play each other is in ICC tournaments and the encounter tends to be extra special as the bilateral do not occur; so for that to be taken away from us is very sad, no real fan of cricket will disagree with me.

Well ofcourse India and Pakistan encounters are fun and yes if India pulls out then fans will lose but this is not something only BCCI needs to think but also ICC.
It is ICC's responsibility to ensure compliance and fairness and the model being proposed isn't very fair. If BCCI feels it does deserve better than what's being offered they need to play hardball its quite simple. Whether it is salary negotiation ,a business negotiation or any boardroom deal - this is how it goes.
Until BCCI joined the Big 3 model - What good has the ICC done for the Indian cricket or SLC or Pak cricket ? Since a long time its been CA and ECB controlling the shots - why should it always be that way ?
BCCI rose to the big 3 group on its own - there was no lottery draw to include India in it - they forced their way in. The other option is to sit back and let ECB and CA run shots again - ICC is an empty entity - someone sits at the helm and calls the shots - why it be ECB and CA ? - No other SA board has been invited to be part of the "big 3" in the past 50 years and now they want to make that an exclusive club again ?

 

[JoniInsafian]

These guys think we will pay to watch Pakistan. How dumb.

There is a difference between "can" and "will".

As an Indian I can tell you that Indians will NOT watch if there are no Indian players.

You guys pay to watch PSL and Big Bash without Indian players )

 

[bleaf27]

It's so funny to read because even YOUR OWN star players are a product of international cricket.

Problem isn't with international cricket chum - problem is with the monopoly that ICC always had. PCB is quite an old cricketing board I believe right , as old as BCCI - why has the PCB not been invited to be a part of the "big 3" or ICC taken a stand to help Pakistan everytime PCB ran crying ?
Because CA and ECB love to keep the control to themselves. BCCI made it self strong enough for not to be ignored and cement its place - and this is about that - not about international cricket

 

[bleaf27]

You guys pay to watch PSL and Big Bash without Indian players )

Really? You are quite certain in your statements , what do you think I do ?

 

[Ph_11]

You guys pay to watch PSL and Big Bash without Indian players )

Catch a glimpse is not watching. Emotionally involved is watching.

I also want India Pak matches but my self respect is more important. India needs to pull out of this LT.

 

[JoniInsafian]

Really? You are quite certain in your statements , what do you think I do ?

Highest viewership for PSL on cricketgateway was from you..... Thanks for watching, hope you enjoyed

 

[JoniInsafian]

Catch a glimpse is not watching. Emotionally involved is watching.

I also want India Pak matches but my self respect is more important. India needs to pull out of this LT.

Bhai your self-respect is BCCI getting 3% of income more???? You need to find things in real life to base your self-respect on.... Do you have a good career? Wife? Family? Those are important things in life. Cheers....

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Let me summarize so far.

(1) Everyone hates India.
(2) They love Indian revenue.
(3) Empire still wants to control the world but the sun is setting on them.

What India should do.
(1) Not leave ICC. Cool heads.
(2) Still not play bilaterals with greedy boards like Pakistan and BD.
(3) Buycott thid CT.
(4) Think through next steps carefully.

Keep on hating us. We must be doing something right.

So you blame the empire, by yet want to take it out on pcb and bcb.... shouldn't you be advocating boycotting the empire... why so scared in taking them on.

You have just been told to toe the line. All of the perceived Indian power amounted to nothing, even your pet boards like Zimbabwe and Bangladesh voted against you, that humiliation above all else must rankle pretty hard.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Catch a glimpse is not watching. Emotionally involved is watching.

I also want India Pak matches but my self respect is more important. India needs to pull out of this LT.

Self respect? You call bull in a china shop BCCI tactics self respect?

They hand twist, blackmail and play dirty politics with our beautiful game? You call that self respect?

Today has a been a good day. The cricket community has come to their senses before our game is destroyed. Nobody will be allowed to ruin our game with dirty politics.

 

[Syed1]

Really? You are quite certain in your statements , what do you think I do ?

Yes cricket gateway (the online stream agency for PSL) released data for both completed seasons and a major chunk of the viewership was from India in both seasons. Cricket gateway is not a free service.

 

[Speedster777]

It's a great day for cricket! Bully has been shown the door !

 

[bleaf27]

Yes cricket gateway (the online stream agency for PSL) released data for both completed seasons and a major chunk of the viewership was from India in both seasons. Cricket gateway is not a free service.

Well I was talking about myself not what people in India did. If they are watching good for them .
The question I put forth was exclusive to me, I do not represent other people nor do they represent me.
Secondly, cricketgateway isn't a stream agency for PSL - It is also for IPL and other cricketing events as well.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

So BCCI getting 20% was unfair.It was bullying.Good.I am sure if India dont play in ICC events the revenue loss will be less than 20%.Isnt it?

Yes, but you can't put a price on not being held hostage anymore.

Would you rather be a millionaire that was forced to eat beef every night for dinner against your will or would you rather be broke and left to your own wishes? Most Indians would pick the latter, no?

 

[SL_Fan]

Finally ICC and rest of the boards starting to grow a pair. Manohar you legend!

 

[bleaf27]

Finally ICC and rest of the boards starting to grow a pair. Manohar you legend!

Manohar is an Indian so they always did have a pair. and so is BCCI -who stood up to ECB and CA and broke into the exclusive "Big 3" club.

 

[Abdullah719]

Enough.

A word of advice.

Calm down and post sensibly. Try to further the discussion rather than post rubbish and personal comments.

 

[aloo paratha]

[MENTION=143230]Ph_11[/MENTION] Yeah surely you guys are doing something right which is why you got out voted 9-1

 

[daytrader]

But the begging does.

hahaha you are so shameless 7th grader! When you grow up maybe you might realize that it's your board that owes PCB money and we will not stop publicly shaming you till you pay up

 

[daytrader]

[MENTION=143230]Ph_11[/MENTION] Yeah surely you guys are doing something right which is why you got out voted 9-1

spot on! when the big 3 happened, BCCI tried buying everyone's votes and made empty promises. Now everyone knows they are cheapskates and won't pay up

 

[Ph_11]

hahaha you are so shameless 7th grader! When you grow up maybe you might realize that it's your board that owes PCB money and we will not stop publicly shaming you till you pay up

We dont owe you anything. Can you show me the signed contract please?

Please quit stealing our money.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

In the end there will be a compromise although India has nothing left to bargain with.

The ICC knows how much an Indian boycott will cost and they still went through with it. So either BCCI isnt that valuable or ICC is willing to be poor but not be held hostage. Or it was people voting in the heat of battle.

But 17-4 just proves how unpopular BCCI is.

 

[Ph_11]

spot on! when the big 3 happened, BCCI tried buying everyone's votes and made empty promises. Now everyone knows they are cheapskates and won't pay up

It is easy to get votes when you are getting money. Learn to earn.

 

[Ph_11]

In the end there will be a compromise although India has nothing left to bargain with.

The ICC knows how much an Indian boycott will cost and they still went through with it. So either BCCI isnt that valuable or ICC is willing to be poor but not be held hostage. Or it was people voting in the heat of battle.

But 17-4 just proves how unpopular BCCI is.

It is not BCCI is unpopular.

Getting free money is popular.

 

[bleaf27]

[MENTION=143230]Ph_11[/MENTION] Yeah surely you guys are doing something right which is why you got out voted 9-1

doing what is right for BCCI - wasn't a popularity contest. It is for BCCI to protect its interests.
Other's agreement isn't necessarily required

 

[bleaf27]

In the end there will be a compromise although India has nothing left to bargain with.

The ICC knows how much an Indian boycott will cost and they still went through with it. So either BCCI isnt that valuable or ICC is willing to be poor but not be held hostage. Or it was people voting in the heat of battle.

But 17-4 just proves how unpopular BCCI is.

Well ICC is trying to call India's bluff. Whether BCCI chooses to take a stand now or later it remains to be seen. But letting ECB and CA run ICC again isn't acceptable. If BCCI needs to focus on their interests - It will have to look out for itself

 

[Junaids]

So you are telling me that,

After BCCI pulls out of the ICC events and the ICC revenues decreases(lets not go into the exact figures but you will agree its going to be significant) the boards will also say no to the millions that a India tour brings?

Also banning the Indian team will have its political fall outs between the countries that ban India and India.

Just a few thoughts.

If you have read my earlier post, the BCCI is cornered because the other Boards have a Plan B in which

1. all revenue from all TV rights is pooled and delivered to the ICC.

2. The ICC centrally contracts all international cricketers, not the Boards.

This means, for example, that if the BCCI were to exit international cricket, Cricket South Africa and New Zealand Cricket wouldn't have to fret about how to continue paying De Kock and Williamson $150,000 per year, because the ICC would pay them each the same $400,000 per year that it would pay Root and Starc.

We know such sums are manageable without India, because Australian Rules football and Rugby League fund a combined 32 teams at such levels with no Overseas TV rights sales.

In effect, India's serial use of the same tactic of threatening financial disaster has led the other countries to discover a rational model which they can fund without India.

 

[bleaf27]

hahaha you are so shameless 7th grader! When you grow up maybe you might realize that it's your board that owes PCB money and we will not stop publicly shaming you till you pay up

publicly shaming by begging ? You realize you aren't shaming anyone else but yourself. PCB is like the ex bf who wants to get back together and publicly wants the ex gf to say I loved you once to secure a consolation ego boost ?

 

[aloo paratha]

doing what is right for BCCI - wasn't a popularity contest. It is for BCCI to protect its interests.
Other's agreement isn't necessarily required

And the other boards are doing what's best for everyone. BCCI selfish as usual.

 

[161]

I guess we can call this crickets "Shashank Redemption"

Respect to the man after the disgrace that was Srinimama.

 

[bleaf27]

If you have read my earlier post, the BCCI is cornered because the other Boards have a Plan B in which

1. all revenue from all TV rights is pooled and delivered to the ICC.

2. The ICC centrally contracts all international cricketers, not the Boards.

This means, for example, that if the BCCI were to exit international cricket, Cricket South Africa and New Zealand Cricket wouldn't have to fret about how to continue paying De Kock and Williamson $150,000 per year, because the ICC would pay them each the same $400,000 per year that it would pay Root and Starc.

We know such sums are manageable without India, because Australian Rules football and Rugby League fund a combined 32 teams at such levels with no Overseas TV rights sales.

In effect, India's serial use of the same tactic of threatening financial disaster has led the other countries to discover a rational model which they can fund without India.

So you think players would be okay with such exorbitant amounts of paycut ?
Secondly, if you have looked at the ICC revenue model - where is it making the money from ? It certainly doesn't exist as an independent financial entity.
Thirdly, in an alternate cricketing board - Let's say World Cricket Council - WCC - if ICC members want to play in the WCC - would they be barred ? could they play in both Cricketing councils ? What if WCC chooses to exist with ICC while not participating in ICC events but having ICC players join in the WCC events either domestic or bilaterally with other cricketing boards ?

 

[Ph_11]

If you have read my earlier post, the BCCI is cornered because the other Boards have a Plan B in which

1. all revenue from all TV rights is pooled and delivered to the ICC.

2. The ICC centrally contracts all international cricketers, not the Boards.

This means, for example, that if the BCCI were to exit international cricket, Cricket South Africa and New Zealand Cricket wouldn't have to fret about how to continue paying De Kock and Williamson $150,000 per year, because the ICC would pay them each the same $400,000 per year that it would pay Root and Starc.

We know such sums are manageable without India, because Australian Rules football and Rugby League fund a combined 32 teams at such levels with no Overseas TV rights sales.

In effect, India's serial use of the same tactic of threatening financial disaster has led the other countries to discover a rational model which they can fund without India.

This is a wishful thinking by you. Nothing more. I know empire also has a plan C,D,E and F to steal money.

India will not pull out of ICC.

India will pull out of LT.

India will chose and play whoever it wishes.

In the end analyze what do you gain. Nothing.

This is empire being empire.

 

[Napa]

I suggest those who think India cannot go it alone stop fooling themselves. IPL is already more popular than international cricket. The cricinfo front page (accessed from the US) consistently has IPL news on top followed later by international tours, such as Pak-WI.

 

[bleaf27]

And the other boards are doing what's best for everyone. BCCI selfish as usual.

Certainly not. No one is doing any charity. Either you do not know the meaning of the word selfish or you do not understand the concept of self worth. If I am good enough - I will negotiate and get top dollar for me - whether in my work or my business. BMW or Mercedes aren't "Selfish" - they know what they are worth and they won't sell for the same price as an hyundai.

 

[daytrader]

It is easy to get votes when you are getting money. Learn to earn.

Right. BCCI is earning big bucks so it got all the votes. Maybe you couldn't apprehend the OP since you only studied till grade 7. It clearly states BCCI was out voted 9-1

 

[Ph_11]

I guess we can call this crickets "Shashank Redemption"

Respect to the man after the disgrace that was Srinimama.

Snake in the grass. Mir Jaffer Manohar.

 

[Ph_11]

Right. BCCI is earning big bucks so it got all the votes. Maybe you couldn't apprehend the OP since you only studied till grade 7. It clearly states BCCI was out voted 9-1

Vote was 9-1 to steal Indian money. Nothing new.

 

[daytrader]

publicly shaming by begging ? You realize you aren't shaming anyone else but yourself. PCB is like the ex bf who wants to get back together and publicly wants the ex gf to say I loved you once to secure a consolation ego boost ?

The only ego here is Indian, I know deep down it hurts you knowing that your board owes money to PCB. If you had honoured your promises maybe other boards would have supported you today

 

[Ph_11]

I suggest those who think India cannot go it alone stop fooling themselves. IPL is already more popular than international cricket. The cricinfo front page (accessed from the US) consistently has IPL news on top followed later by international tours, such as Pak-WI.

I saw full 20 people watching Pak WI in the stands. Test cricket is great.

 

[Ph_11]

The only ego here is Indian, I know deep down it hurts you knowing that your board owes money to PCB. If you had honoured your promises maybe other boards would have supported you today

When will delusion end. Show me the contract. Put up or shut up.

 

[daytrader]

Vote was 9-1 to steal Indian money. Nothing new.

Lol sure whatever floats your boat. The reality is the vote was karma for you not honouring your MOU. And now you are begging for the profit increase. Kuch toh sharam khao yaar

 

[Harpoon]

Well ICC is trying to call India's bluff. Whether BCCI chooses to take a stand now or later it remains to be seen. But letting ECB and CA run ICC again isn't acceptable. If BCCI needs to focus on their interests - It will have to look out for itself

CA and ECB played the game brilliantly and won. BCCI has not only lost big time, it also stands isolated.
Note that before the big 3, the biggest power block at ICC was the asian block where the asian boards stuck by each other no matter what. The first step to smashing that block was to create big 3. This broke up the asian block with PCB opposing it and BCCI included in it. Next CA and ECB have smashed the big 3 itself and pulled the rub from under BCCis feet. With all other boards opposed to BCCI (9-1 defeat).
Im surprised that BCCI didnt see it coming. Anyone who doesnt think this was the plan from the beginning is naive. I wrote about this more then a year ago on this forum.
Also note that the asian block will now never be reconstituted. The trust between the boards has been broken and domestic political considerations now drive all the boards. CA and ECB will continue to rule cricket. And thats a good thing. They are mature and deserve this. And cricket is in good hands as long as CA and ECB run it. Just my perspective.

 

[Ph_11]

CA and ECB played the game brilliantly and won. BCCI has not only lost big time, it also stands isolated.
Note that before the big 3, the biggest power block at ICC was the asian block where the asian boards stuck by each other no matter what. The first step to smashing that block was to create big 3. This broke up the asian block with PCB opposing it and BCCI included in it. Next CA and ECB have smashed the big 3 itself and pulled the rub from under BCCis feet. With all other boards opposed to BCCI (9-1 defeat).
Im surprised that BCCI didnt see it coming. Anyone who doesnt think this was the plan from the beginning is naive. I wrote about this more then a year ago on this forum.
Also note that the asian block will now never be reconstituted. The trust between the boards has been broken and domestic political considerations now drive all the boards. CA and ECB will continue to rule cricket. And thats a good thing. They are mature and deserve this. And cricket is in good hands as long as CA and ECB run it. Just my perspective.

Next you will say we were better off under the empire.

 

[Ph_11]

Lol sure whatever floats your boat. The reality is the vote was karma for you not honouring your MOU. And now you are begging for the profit increase. Kuch toh sharam khao yaar

We are not begging for anything. We are asking for fairness.

Unfair models are not sustainable.

 

[daytrader]

When will delusion end. Show me the contract. Put up or shut up.

Contract or no contract and whether it's enforceable or not doesn't really matter. Yes the PCB was foolish enough to take BCCI word but fact is BCCI couldn't honour what it said. Other boards are not stupid and realize that BCCI's word is worth nothing. Hence you got out voted 9-1.

 

[Napa]

Highest viewership for PSL on cricketgateway was from you..... Thanks for watching, hope you enjoyed

I am sure the $5 in revenues earned by cricketgateway will keep the rest of the world happy once India leaves.

 

[daytrader]

We are not begging for anything. We are asking for fairness.

Unfair models are not sustainable.

So when PCB takes a principled stance and asks you to honour your commitment you say it's begging but when you ask for more money it's in fairness. Quite the double standards

 

[bleaf27]

CA and ECB played the game brilliantly and won. BCCI has not only lost big time, it also stands isolated.
Note that before the big 3, the biggest power block at ICC was the asian block where the asian boards stuck by each other no matter what. The first step to smashing that block was to create big 3. This broke up the asian block with PCB opposing it and BCCI included in it. Next CA and ECB have smashed the big 3 itself and pulled the rub from under BCCis feet. With all other boards opposed to BCCI (9-1 defeat).
Im surprised that BCCI didnt see it coming. Anyone who doesnt think this was the plan from the beginning is naive. I wrote about this more then a year ago on this forum.
Also note that the asian block will now never be reconstituted. The trust between the boards has been broken and domestic political considerations now drive all the boards. CA and ECB will continue to rule cricket. And thats a good thing. They are mature and deserve this. And cricket is in good hands as long as CA and ECB run it. Just my perspective.

I agree with some points and some I don't. The Asian block never was never a run and gun together group. They always had their differences. Secondly, ECB and CA did not invite India to be a part of the "big 3". BCCI rose in terms of sales, revenue , it's superstar player clout and purely by the numbers - Indian population is massive world over. ECB and CA never included India happily in its exclusive group - It had no choice left with Dalmiya at the helm. Considering the amount of money India invests in cricket - IPL teams are worth a lot - more worth than ICC's share.
BCCI was the only board that was able to break into the exclusive group . and since the inception of ICC and cricketing world - ECB and CA have been running it - what efforts did they make towards BCCI, PCB , BD, SLC ? nothing. Let's not talk about maturity of the ECB and CA - British Empire was quite mature and well spoken when they started ruling the Indian Subcontinent - didn't go down too well eh.
The submissive mentality of the subcontinent boards to sit back and let CA and ECB run its circus wishing the best - that was pre 1940s lets not go back to it.

 

[Ph_11]

Contract or no contract and whether it's enforceable or not doesn't really matter. Yes the PCB was foolish enough to take BCCI word but fact is BCCI couldn't honour what it said. Other boards are not stupid and realize that BCCI's word is worth nothing. Hence you got out voted 9-1.

What do you have to show for this 9-1 vote. You will still beg. You gain nothing except you are happy.

You have caused a long term damage that is not sustainable.

Enjoy your hollow win.

 

[Ph_11]

You know why sun never set on the empire?

God could not trust Brits in the dark.

It is good that other 8 boards do.

 

[bleaf27]

The only ego here is Indian, I know deep down it hurts you knowing that your board owes money to PCB. If you had honoured your promises maybe other boards would have supported you today

Doesn't matter what the other boards do. If tomorrow I need to put forth my case with my manager for a raise or a promotion , Do I need to get support from all my co-workers to prove my worth ? No , I gotta do what's best for me.

Secondly, doesn't hurt at all because it's quite common knowledge that with the India and Pakistan - cricketing relationships will always be determined by political relations. They are not set in stone. If political helm doesn't want it - no cricket - its quite simple

 

[daytrader]

What do you have to show for this 9-1 vote. You will still beg. You gain nothing except you are happy.

You have caused a long term damage that is not sustainable.

Enjoy your hollow win.

It ain't hollow if an Indian leads this change (honourable Mr. Shashank). This ain't the end my friend, PCB will not forget that you jipped us, we will constantly remind you of how you owe us

 

[daytrader]

Doesn't matter what the other boards do. If tomorrow I need to put forth my case with my manager for a raise or a promotion , Do I need to get support from all my co-workers to prove my worth ? No , I gotta do what's best for me.

Secondly, doesn't hurt at all because it's quite common knowledge that with the India and Pakistan - cricketing relationships will always be determined by political relations. They are not set in stone. If political helm doesn't want it - no cricket - its quite simple

Sure then pay the fine and we'll leave you be

 

[daytrader]

You know why sun never set on the empire?

God could not trust Brits in the dark.

It is good that other 8 boards do.

Same Britt that were your bedfellows in the big 3

 

[bleaf27]

Sure then pay the fine and we'll leave you be

We don't owe it. If PCB is being naive to think that the series would have gone ahead regardless of the political atmosphere - then they are being intentionally stupid.
And if you so believe in the just nature and power of ICC - you went to them , what did they do ?

 

[Napa]

Same Britt that were your bedfellows in the big 3

Seems like we can't trust them.

 

[daytrader]

We don't owe it. If PCB is being naive to think that the series would have gone ahead regardless of the political atmosphere - then they are being intentionally stupid.
And if you so believe in the just nature and power of ICC - you went to them , what did they do ?

Political atmosphere is just an excuse. A couple of years ago Modi made a surprise visit to Pakistan. The atmosphere wasn't as bad as now and Pakistanis have always been hopeful that it gets better so PCB took BCCI'S word hoping that yea things will get better. It's not stupidity it's called giving a chance for peace but guess what!!? You didn't honour your commitment

 

[bleaf27]

Political atmosphere is just an excuse. A couple of years ago Modi made a surprise visit to Pakistan. The atmosphere wasn't as bad as now and Pakistanis have always been hopeful that it gets better so PCB took BCCI'S word hoping that yea things will get better. It's not stupidity it's called giving a chance for peace but guess what!!? You didn't honour your commitment

The cricketing ties have been up and down since 1999. It isn't new. The volatile political relationship always will reign supreme over cricketing relationships - that's the fact of the matter. If you can't understand that - not anyone's fault. and PCB does feel they have a legitimate case - they should take it to the ICC - let's see if they have any real power or is ICC as redundant as the UN ?

 

[daytrader]

The cricketing ties have been up and down since 1999. It isn't new. The volatile political relationship always will reign supreme over cricketing relationships - that's the fact of the matter. If you can't understand that - not anyone's fault. and PCB does feel they have a legitimate case - they should take it to the ICC - let's see if they have any real power or is ICC as redundant as the UN ?

This volatile relationship is between BCCI and PCB. We will use all channels, including ICC, legals AND reminding you of how you failed to hold up your end

 

[Harpoon]

Secondly, ECB and CA did not invite India to be a part of the "big 3". BCCI rose in terms of sales, revenue , it's superstar player clout and purely by the numbers - Indian population is massive world over. ECB and CA never included India happily in its exclusive group - It had no choice left with Dalmiya at the helm. Considering the amount of money India invests in cricket - IPL teams are worth a lot - more worth than ICC's share.

That is incorrect. if BCCI "forced its way in" as you say, then why is it now being forced out and isolated?
CA and ECB have known from the beginning that BCCI is nothing without other boards. Even IPL will crash without foreign players. So they know that BCCI will protest and shout but in the end, it has no choice. The only game CA and ECB had was to break BCCI clout and retain theirs. This they have done brilliantly. BCCI had no clue what it was up against.
Cricket can be trusted to ECB and CA. But it can not be trusted to BCCI. That's the bottom line of the 9-1 defeat. BCCI will cry and shout but in the end, it has no choice but to play with other boards. Democracy wins.

 

[bleaf27]

This volatile relationship is between BCCI and PCB. We will use all channels, including ICC, legals AND reminding you of how you failed to hold up your end

Volatile relationship isn't between PCB and BCCI lad its between the countries. ICC isn't gonna do anything - Bangladesh declined to tour what did ICC do ? You have complained to ICC enough - did they do anything ? Cool good luck

 

[bleaf27]

That is incorrect. if BCCI "forced its way in" as you say, then why is it now being forced out and isolated?
CA and ECB have known from the beginning that BCCI is nothing without other boards. Even IPL will crash without foreign players. So they know that BCCI will protest and shout but in the end, it has no choice. The only game CA and ECB had was to break BCCI clout and retain theirs. This they have done brilliantly. BCCI had no clue what it was up against.
Cricket can be trusted to ECB and CA. But it can not be trusted to BCCI. That's the bottom line of the 9-1 defeat. BCCI will cry and shout but in the end, it has no choice but to play with other boards. Democracy wins.

How are those two things mutually exclusive ? BCCI ofcourse forced it in , you think ECB and CA send an invitation card for BCCI to come join the exclusive club whereas the invitation for PCB , SLC got lost in the mail ?
Foreign players are not an exclusive property of the ICC. If BCCI isn't part of ICC and wants to invite foreign players to come play in IPL or play matches - ICC cannot stop that. Dude, BCCI was under CA and ECB for more than 50 years along with PCB , SLC so it knows quite well who it's against and it pushed them . and even now the money being offered to BCCI is the most - so that tells you how much BCCI is worth even by them.
Not everyone has the slave mentality as you bud - ECB and CA running the ICC isn't democracy - it's called colonization. You should learn about pre independence India - you'd learn quite a bit about it. Whether BCCI fights not or fights later - it knows how to fight - it's fought before and it will fight again. Not everyone is ready to roll over like the PCB.