Best player ever to come out from every Test playing country

[pakpassfan]

Here is my list, whats yours?

Aus:- Shane Warne

Ind:- Sachin Tendulker

Pak:- Wasim Akram

SL:- Muralidharan

SA:- AB de Villiers

WI:- Brian Lara

Eng:- Ian Botham

NZ:- Richard Hadlee

Zim:- Andy Flower

Ban:- Shakib Al Hasan

Ire:- Kevin o Brian

Afg:- Rashid Khan

Bonus:-

Associates:- Steve Tikolo. I did not count ryan ten doeschate as I believe he is a saffar not a dutch

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Bangladesh: Liton Das

 

[Hitman]

Aus - Bradman

Eng - Hobbs

Ind - Tendulkar

NZ - Hadlee

Pak - Imran

SA - Kallis

SL - Murali

WI - Sobers

Ban - Sakhib

Zim - A. Flower

 

[Executioner]

Here is my list, whats yours?

Aus:- Shane Warne

Ind:- Sachin Tendulker

Pak:- Wasim Akram

SL:- Muralidharan

SA:- AB de Villiers

WI:- Brian Lara

Eng:- Ian Botham

NZ:- Richard Hadlee

Zim:- Andy Flower

Ban:- Shakib Al Hasan

Ire:- Kevin o Brian

Afg:- Rashid Khan

Bonus:-

Associates:- Steve Tikolo. I did not count ryan ten doeschate as I believe he is a saffar not a dutch

SA- Jacques Kallis
Ireland - Paul Stirling
WI - Sobers/Richards

 

[Mamoon]

It is a pretty good list, but I would choose Kallis and Imran over de Villiers and Wasim. Also, WI have produced better and more influential cricketers than Lara, but it is almost impossible to pick one.

Kallis not only had a stellar Test career, he is also helped deliver South Africa's only Limited Overs trophy. Unfortunately, his impact in Limited Overs cricket nosedived in the 2000s and he was reduced to a part-timer with the ball. de Villiers for all his flair and genius, has had less influence than Kallis, Smith, Steyn and Amla in Test cricket, and has not won a single knockout game for South Africa in ICC tournaments with his bat.

Wasim is undoubtedly the most talented player Pakistan has ever produced, but he underachieved as captain because he didn't have the best interests of the team at heart, and he also underachieved with the bat. Imran's achievements for Pakistan are greater and more impactful, and he is rightfully the most celebrated cricketer in history of Pakistan cricket.

 

[pakpassfan]

It is a pretty good list, but I would choose Kallis and Imran over de Villiers and Wasim. Also, WI have produced better and more influential cricketers than Lara, but it is almost impossible to pick one.

Kallis not only had a stellar Test career, he is also helped deliver South Africa's only Limited Overs trophy. Unfortunately, his impact in Limited Overs cricket nosedived in the 2000s and he was reduced to a part-timer with the ball. de Villiers for all his flair and genius, has had less influence than Kallis, Smith, Steyn and Amla in Test cricket, and has not won a single knockout game for South Africa in ICC tournaments with his bat.

Wasim is undoubtedly the most talented player Pakistan has ever produced, but he underachieved as captain because he didn't have the best interests of the team at heart, and he also underachieved with the bat. Imran's achievements for Pakistan are greater and more impactful, and he is rightfully the most celebrated cricketer in history of Pakistan cricket.

Great post.

I think only Ind SL Ban and Zim is unarguable in my list, although with how Kohli is playing we can argue about India in 3-4 years

 

[Mamoon]

Great post.

I think only Ind SL Ban and Zim is unarguable in my list, although with how Kohli is playing we can argue about India in 3-4 years

Also, McGrath over Warne in my opinion.

Warne was a genius and inarguably the greatest leg-spinner of all time, but McGrath is probably one player in history who has no holes in his career. You look at his record there is almost nothing that you can hold against him.

Tests, ODIs, World Cups, performances against the best teams and best batsmen home and away, performing in all conditions etc. He has ticked every box.

 

[Justcrazy]

Aus - Shane Warne

Eng - Ian Bottham

Ind - Sunil Gavaskar

NZ - Hadlee

Pak - Imran

SA - Kallis

SL - Murali

WI - Gary Sobers

Ban - Sakhib

Zim - A. Flower

 

[malcom_86]

Aus - Bradman

Eng - Hobbs

Ind - Tendulkar

NZ - Hadlee

Pak - Imran

SA - Kallis

SL - Murali

WI - Sobers

Ban - Shakib

Zim - A. Flower

This.

 

[ftbno1]

Australia Shane Lee
England Adam Hollioake
India Ashok Dinda
New Zealand Chris Marrin
South Africa Andrew Hudson
SL Ashanka gurusinha
WI Rindley Jacob's
Pakistan Ata ur Rehman
Bangladesh mohd. Riaz

 

[Ab Fan]

Here is my list, whats yours?

Aus:- Shane Warne

Ind:- Sachin Tendulker

Pak:- Wasim Akram

SL:- Muralidharan

SA:- AB de Villiers

WI:- Brian Lara

Eng:- Ian Botham

NZ:- Richard Hadlee

Zim:- Andy Flower

Ban:- Shakib Al Hasan

Ire:- Kevin o Brian

Afg:- Rashid Khan

Bonus:-

Associates:- Steve Tikolo. I did not count ryan ten doeschate as I believe he is a saffar not a dutch

Agreed completely! That will be my choice as well.

 

[Junaids]

Australia: Sir Donald Bradman
New Zealand: Sir Richard Hadlee
India: Sunil Gavaskar
Bangladesh: Shakib Al Hasan
Pakistan: Imran Khan
Zimbabwe: Heath Streak
Sri Lanka: Kumar Sangakkara
South Africa: Barry Richards
England: Fred Trueman
West Indies: Malcolm Marshall

Afghanistan and Ireland haven’t played enough Tests to judge.

 

[wrongun]

Aus:- Bradman

Ind:- Sachin

Pak:- Imran Khan, better than Wasim & applied himself more in all departments.

SL:- Muralitharan

SA:- Graham Smith (tricky, but when I thought of South African's who had a hope of ever making an atg Test XI, he's the only one really in with a shout)

WI:- Garry Sobers, a ridiculous talent really. Batting like Lara & bowling at quality test level in whichever style he felt like... Arguably the greatest cricketer ever.

Eng:- Ian Botham

NZ:- Richard Hadlee

Zim:- Andy Flower, streak was never #1 at his job or assured of a spot in any other nations team of his era. Flower was world class

Ban:- Shakib Al Hasan

 

[Hasan2K8]

BD: Shakib and Tamim (TEST and LOI). Mortaza in ODI too, a 3rd.

 

[satheesh]

My list

Aus - Don Bradman
BAN - Shakib
Eng - Ian Botham
Ind - Sachin
NZL - Richard Hadlee
PAK - Javed Miandad
SLK - Sangakkara
SAF - Kallis
WI - Sobers

 

[malcom_86]

SA:- Graham Smith (tricky, but when I thought of South African's who had a hope of ever making an atg Test XI, he's the only one really in with a shout)

Steyn and Kallis? What about Procter, Richards, and Pollock?

 

[satheesh]

My list

Aus - Don Bradman
BAN - Shakib
Eng - Ian Botham
Ind - Sachin
NZL - Richard Hadlee
PAK - Javed Miandad
SLK - Sangakkara
SAF - Kallis
WI - Sobers

ZIM - Andy Flower

missed ZIM firstly

 

[BalluBalleBaaz]

Aus - AB and Don
SL - Sangakkara and Arvind Desilva
Pak - Wasim Akram and Imran Khan
NZ - Hadlee and Kane Williamson(on his way)
Eng - Jim Laker and Ian Botham
Ind - Sachin and Virat(on his way)
WI - Gary Sobers and Viv Richards
Bangladesh - Shakib
South Africa - Kallis and Donald

 

[wrongun]

Steyn and Kallis? What about Procter, Richards, and Pollock?

Proctor, Richards & Pollock didn't play enough test cricket to be seriously considered for an world atg team unfortunately. It would be like judging Mitchell Johnson during his 18 month peaks (2 over his career).

Steyn also doesn't make any atg Test team as a bowler- arguable if he is even better than Donald. If I want a skiddy pacer I take Marshall every time. Great player but not going to beat out Marshall & then he is in the dogfight with Lillee, Roberts, Holding even Imran & co for the right arm pacer. (I have another spot for tall quick & one for left armer).

Kallis doesn't make my atg world teams for the same reason- he doesn't make my all tie world XI's as a batsman (couldn't dominate a game) or allrounder (he's behind a few).

I think Smith is as good a batsman as Kallis- incredible stats opening in the hardest place to open in the world + scores all around the world- more a match winner & a bigger influence on captaining their most successful periods so I've got him ahead of Kallis. That's my reasoning.

 

[Eagle210]

Pak : Imran khan
Ind : sachin tendulkar
Ban : shakib Al hasan
Sl : muttiah muralitharan
Eng : Joe root
Zim : grant flower
Sa : AB De villiers
Nz : Kane williamson
Aus : don bradman
Ire : Kevin o Brien

 

[hitthestump]

England really have struggled to produce superstars in recent times haven't they? Botham can't hold a candle almost any of the players on the rest of the list.

 

[malcom_86]

Proctor, Richards & Pollock didn't play enough test cricket to be seriously considered for an world atg team unfortunately. It would be like judging Mitchell Johnson during his 18 month peaks (2 over his career).

Pollock played 23 tests over a span of 7 years and averaged 60.
Procter and Richards played extremely well in the WSC.
All three of them had a wonderful FC career and are rated highly among their contemporaries.

Steyn also doesn't make any atg Test team as a bowler- arguable if he is even better than Donald. If I want a skiddy pacer I take Marshall every time. Great player but not going to beat out Marshall & then he is in the dogfight with Lillee, Roberts, Holding even Imran & co for the right arm pacer. (I have another spot for tall quick & one for left armer).

Steyn is arguably the greatest bowler of all time. Period

Kallis doesn't make my atg world teams for the same reason- he doesn't make my all tie world XI's as a batsman (couldn't dominate a game) or allrounder (he's behind a few).

I agree about his batting but as a cricketer, Kallis is arguably the greatest of his era.

I think Smith is as good a batsman as Kallis- incredible stats opening in the hardest place to open in the world + scores all around the world- more a match winner & a bigger influence on captaining their most successful periods so I've got him ahead of Kallis. That's my reasoning.

Sorry. I don't think Smith is an ATG bat. And no way he'll get picked in an AT XI over Hobbs, Hutton, Sutcliffe, Trumper, Gavaskar, Richards, Boycott, etc.

 

[PakLFC]

I am taking in the era and opposition when these greats played the game..

Pak- Akram
India- Gavaskar
New Zealand- Hadlee
Sri Lanka- De Silva
Afghanistan- Rashid
Australia- Warne
South Africa- Kallis
West Indies- Viv Richards
Bangladesh- Shakib
England- Gooch.

 

[wrongun]

Pollock played 23 tests over a span of 7 years and averaged 60.

This backs up my point exactly. Thank you.

three of them had a wonderful FC career and are rated highly among their contemporaries.

Please, nominate them for atg FC cricketer awards.

Steyn is arguably the greatest bowler of all time. Period

Only if you've only seen the last decade of Test cricket. Even in the modern era he is inferior to McGrath & arguably Donald. If we go back to the modern era & include the 80's he's back in the pack. Inferior to Marshall, McGrath, Imran, Ambrose, Hadlee.

Then you have Wasim, Holding, Donald, Garner, Lillee etc who you can argue him with.

Statistically he doesn't even stand above contemporary his SA bowlers in Rabada & Philander. Why is that? Because longevity aside, he is not remarkably better than his peers in similar conditions.


So you can TRY to argue Steyn is "the greatest" fast bowler ever but you'll look foolish. You can see he was A great, sure. But not even in the conversation for greatest.

I've made my points about Kallis, you don't actually back up your statement with any explanation or detail so it's almost worthless speaking about. There is no depth to your proclamations, it's barely a conversation.

The rest, I disagree. Shrug.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Australia: Bradman (and it's not even a contest)
England: Botham
India: Tendulkar
New Zealand: Hadlee
Pakistan: Imran
South Africa: Kallis
Sri Lanka: Sangakkara
West Indies: Sobers

 

[jaf348]

Aus:- Glenn McGrath
Ind:- Sachin Tendulkar
Pak:- Imran Khan
SL:- Muttiah Muralitharan
SA:- Jacques Kallis
WI:- Malcolm Marshall
Eng:- Ian Botham
NZ:- Sir Richard Hadlee
Zim:- Andy Flower
Ban:- Shakib Al Hasan

 

[malcom_86]

Please, nominate them for atg FC cricketer awards.

This thread is about the greatest "players" from a test playing nation, not the greatest "test player" from a test playing country.

Only if you've only seen the last decade of Test cricket. Even in the modern era he is inferior to McGrath & arguably Donald. If we go back to the modern era & include the 80's he's back in the pack. Inferior to Marshall, McGrath, Imran, Ambrose, Hadlee.

Then you have Wasim, Holding, Donald, Garner, Lillee etc who you can argue him with.
Statistically he doesn't even stand above contemporary his SA bowlers in Rabada & Philander. Why is that? Because longevity aside, he is not remarkably better than his peers in similar conditions.
So you can TRY to argue Steyn is "the greatest" fast bowler ever but you'll look foolish. You can see he was A great, sure. But not even in the conversation for greatest.

Check Steyn's numbers. If you don't think he is in the contention for the GOAT bowler you're either thick or trolling.
BTW Rabada is a future great and he might end up as the greatest bowler of all time and Philander is a green top bully.

I've made my points about Kallis, you don't actually back up your statement with any explanation or detail so it's almost worthless speaking about. There is no depth to your proclamations, it's barely a conversation.

Kallis is an ATG batsman, good support bowler, and great slipper.
He is arguably the best cricketer of his era.

The rest, I disagree. Shrug.

So you believe Smith was better than the likes of Hobbs, Hutton, and Gavaskar? OK then.
Cheers

 

[wrongun]

I've checked them. I've lived them. I've seen them bowl live. Steyn doesn't come close. As I said- he is inferior to the bowlers quoted & not notably better than his direct contemporaries.

Hobbs & Hutton suffer from the same problem as Steyn, not noticeably better than their contemporaries, especially when the Don was around to show what a truly outstanding player looked like. I've left any player pre- modern era out (except for the Don, who has a clear cut case).

You need the ability to understand & make inferences from stats, not just stare at them, impressed.

You previously accepted the argument as to why Kallis was not an atg batsman, but now you've shifted your position. Do try to remain coherent.

I've not said Smith was better than Sunil, just I think he stacks up well in any argument for modern atg openers. It's hard to leave him out.

 

[Robert]

Aus:- Bradman

Ind:- Kapil

Pak:- Imran

SL:- Sanga

SA:- Kallis

WI:- Sobers

Eng:- Hobbs

NZ:- Hadlee

Zim:- Andy Flower

Ban:- Shakib Al Hasan

Ire:- Morgan

 

[Robert]

Changed my mind from Hobbs to Hammond, who was an all rounder in the Sobers and Kallis class.