Border-Gavaskar Trophy 2024-25: Jasprit Bumrah vs Scott Boland

[Mobashir]

Stats :
Bumrah took 32 wickets at 13.06 and Boland took 21 at 13.19.

So the stats are quite similar.
Who do you think was the best between this two? Who had more impact on games.

For me,
Both were brilliant, nothing can be said about this. But Boland having won all the three matches he has played in was more decisive.
The batting line up were quite similar (not that good on both sides). Bumrah had the better of Khawaja and Labu while Boland didn't let Kohli breath.

Bumrah was exceptionnal in the first test, especially the first innings. He won the match in it.
But I also think he went missing on many important occasions in other matches where India could have taken the game away.
On the other hand, I think Boland was better, never went missing, always strike at the right time.
I even think had Boland played all five matches, the result could have been 5-0, he was that good.

 

[Savak]

Loved how Boland tortured Kohli similar to what Anderson did on the 2014 series.

 

[kingusama92]

I would go with Bumrah because he did it across five Tests (minus the last innings) as the lone strike bowler in foreign conditions. The batsmen he was up against were batting at home.

Plus he captained the team for two of the tests while doing so.

But Boland was lethal too and he put on an exhibition of quality seam bowling.

 

[anikrc1]

Stats :
Bumrah took 32 wickets at 13.06 and Boland took 21 at 13.19.

So the stats are quite similar.
Who do you think was the best between this two? Who had more impact on games.

For me,
Both were brilliant, nothing can be said about this. But Boland having won all the three matches he has played in was more decisive.
The batting line up were quite similar (not that good on both sides). Bumrah had the better of Khawaja and Labu while Boland didn't let Kohli breath.

Bumrah was exceptionnal in the first test, especially the first innings. He won the match in it.
But I also think he went missing on many important occasions in other matches where India could have taken the game away.
On the other hand, I think Boland was better, never went missing, always strike at the right time.
I even think had Boland played all five matches, the result could have been 5-0, he was that good.

Boland had much better support in Cummins and Starc. The only time Other Indian bowlers barring Bumrah did anything is the last test.

 

[psyoptica]

Good thread. Bumrah was awesome but Boland was more impactful and was the biggest factor in Australia winning 3-1

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Boland had much better support in Cummins and Starc. The only time Other Indian bowlers barring Bumrah did anything is the last test.

The support isn't a big factor when you are taking wickets at low averages.

 

[Mobashir]

Boland had much better support in Cummins and Starc. The only time Other Indian bowlers barring Bumrah did anything is the last test.

That works in both ways.
Boland shared the wickets Where as Bumrah had all wickets for him.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Boland.

Bumrah is overrated and got whitewashed by a terrible NZ team.

 

[Technics 1210]

Boland - daylight - Bumrah.

 

[JaDed]

It’s unfortunate but it always happens for Aussies and English they get way more hype for their domestic performances.

 

[Buffet]

Stats :
Bumrah took 32 wickets at 13.06 and Boland took 21 at 13.19.

Two points to consider,


1) Boland was bowling in home conditions and Bumrah was bowling in away.


2) Best pacer friendly pitch was the last one. Bumrah was injured in last test. Boland picked 10 wickets at avg of 7 on that match. In case you did not catch full series to see the difference in the last test pitch,

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In the first 4 tests:

All other Indian bowlers combined : 36 wickets Avg 41

In the last test: The most pacer friendly pitch in series.

Same all other indians bowlers combined :12 wickets at Avg of 25

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Boland is fantastic in seaming pitches. Pretty much unplayable. He should be playing more often when tests are happening on seaming pitches in Aus. He can cause all kinds of trouble. Surprise to see him not playing often in home games.

 

[RidiculousMan]

I would rate Bumrah's performance higher particularly because he was bowling away while for Boland it was home conditions.

 

[sweep_shot]

Boland definitely.

He was more impactful.

 

[anikrc1]

Ricky Ponting said that this series by Bumrah is probably the best series of fast bowling he has ever seen. Damien Fleming said that Bumrah now ranks along Hadlee and Ambrose as the best visiting bowler to tour Australia. Mark Waugh also said this is one of the best fast bowling he has ever seen. On the other hand PPers are trying to pull all stops to prove that Bumrah is a run of the mill bowler.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Two points to consider,


1) Boland was bowling in home conditions and Bumrah was bowling in away.


2) Best pacer friendly pitch was the last one. Bumrah was injured in last test. Boland picked 10 wickets at avg of 7 on that match. In case you did not catch full series to see the difference in the last test pitch,

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In the first 4 tests:

All other Indian bowlers combined : 36 wickets Avg 41

In the last test: The most pacer friendly pitch in series.

Same all other indians bowlers combined :12 wickets at Avg of 25

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Boland is fantastic in seaming pitches. Pretty much unplayable. He should be playing more often when tests are happening on seaming pitches in Aus. He can cause all kinds of trouble. Surprise to see him not playing often in home games.

Boland also missed out on the first innings Green Mamba at Perth

 

[Buffet]

It’s unfortunate but it always happens for Aussies and English they get way more hype for their domestic performances.

It's not true at all. You are reading too much into some comments here.


You can see Aussies and English players comments yourself.

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“This was as good a fast bowling as I have ever seen since I have been around cricket fields." - Mark Waugh

“Everyone thought Jasprit Bumrah would be a massive threat, but I don’t think anyone thought he could bowl to the level he has bowled this series,” Waugh said.

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Ponting on Bumrah: "Probably the best series of fast bowling I've ever seen"​

"No doubt, it's probably the best series of fast bowling I've ever seen. Yes, they had good conditions, the fast bowlers, for most of this series. But when you watched him (Bumrah) bowl compared to anyone else in the series, he made batting look so much harder,” Ponting said.

“There's a lot of quality batting in that Australian top-order as well but he made all of them at different times look silly,” he added.

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“They faced without question the best bowler in the world as we speak and many are saying that Jasprit Bumrah is the greatest ever bowler,” Vaughan said.
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Today would've been an absolute nightmare facing him on that wicket. As soon as we didn't see him out there we thought 'alright, we've got a chance here'. He's the toughest bowler I've ever faced," said Khawaja on



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[Buffet]

Boland also missed out on the first innings Green Mamba at Perth

Both innings were nightmare in 5th tests for batsmen and best conditions to bowl for pacers.

You still have to bowl well and I am surprised to see him play so little in home conditions. He should play more often. Yah, he is not going to get 5 test pitch all the time, but he has knack of picking wickets early in his spell. I think he picks wickets in his first over 20% of time. That's insane. I don't remember any bowler doing that.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Both innings were nightmare in 5th tests for batsmen and best conditions to bowl for pacers.

You still have to bowl well and I am surprised to see him play so little in home conditions. He should play more often. Yah, he is not going to get 5 test pitch all the time, but he has knack of picking wickets early in his spell. I think he picks wickets in his first over 20% of time. That's insane. I don't remember any bowler doing that.

He had good conditions in England year, difference was England went after him and really put him off his length and he struggled.

 

[Buffet]

He had good conditions in England year, difference was England went after him and really put him off his length and he struggled.

Seaming conditions? I see that he is very good in seaming conditions.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Seaming conditions? I see that he is very good in seaming conditions.

Yep seaming conditions. He struggled . England got after him, charging him and allsorts, put him off his length.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Seaming conditions? I see that he is very good in seaming conditions.

Australia are searching for a way to help Scott Boland better contend with England’s aggressive batting, as coaches weigh up their attack for the second Test at Lord’s.

The players have been given three days off following their enthralling two-wicket win at Edgbaston, after back-to-back Tests against India and England.

But planning has already begun for how Australia can better counteract England’s fearless batting in the second match of the series, starting next Wednesday.

Coach Andrew McDonald was surprised by how hard the English batters went after Boland, who conceded runs at a rate of 5.65 an over.

After claiming before the series they would treat Boland like a spinner, England’s plans for the economical Victorian worked, throwing him off his usual rhythm and lengths.

It’s a challenge Boland has rarely had to contend with in his career, with batters usually taking the patient route against him.

Boland’s two innings at Birmingham was the first time he has been hit for more than five an over in international or domestic cricket since 2015.

Australia look for Scott Boland answers after he was targeted in first Ashes Test

Australia’s coaches surprised by England’s attack of Boland as they weigh up their attack for second Test at Lord’s

www.theguardian.com

 

[Buffet]

Yep seaming conditions. He struggled . England got after him, charging him and allsorts, put him off his length.

Which match you are talking about. I remember watching only one test where Boland bowled and I did not think he can bowl well outside Aus. Eng had declared for 390 odd I think in that test.

I looked again, he has played only 2 tests in Eng. You must be talking about the second test because the test I saw teams scored plenty. If it's just one test, I think it does not matter. He should play in seaming conditions.

 

[Buffet]

Australia look for Scott Boland answers after he was targeted in first Ashes Test

Australia’s coaches surprised by England’s attack of Boland as they weigh up their attack for second Test at Lord’s

www.theguardian.com

Thanks .

I saw that test I think. Teams scored 250-400 , so not exactly tailormade seaming pitch for Boland.

I will be surpised if anyone tackled him in difficult seaming pitches. Dude just keeps ball on the same spot and it moves both ways. Also, I think bounce may be a factor, it's harder to tackle it with bounce present.

But yes, it's a good strategy. Unsettle and force him to not bowl well. I would still want to see him play in seaming conditions everywhere.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Thanks .

I saw that test I think. Teams scored 250-400 , so not exactly tailormade seaming pitch for Boland.

I will be surpised if anyone tackled him in difficult seaming pitches. Dude just keeps ball on the same spot and it moves both ways. Also, I think bounce may be a factor, it's harder to tackle it with bounce present.

But yes, it's a good strategy. Unsettle and force him to not bowl well. I would still want to see him play in seaming conditions everywhere.

It was seaming . England bats charged him and hit him off his length constantly

 

[pillionrider]

Let me translate the OP into a local language for y'all, best understood between mouthfuls of biryani.

I am excited to see Jadeja pick up a bagful of wickets on our turning tracks this home series. He bowled like an artist and reminded me of our last great artist, who despite his terrible record on unhelpful pitches was at least beautiful to watch, unlike that ugly illegal bowler from across the border, Ajmal.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Ricky Ponting said that this series by Bumrah is probably the best series of fast bowling he has ever seen. Damien Fleming said that Bumrah now ranks along Hadlee and Ambrose as the best visiting bowler to tour Australia. Mark Waugh also said this is one of the best fast bowling he has ever seen. On the other hand PPers are trying to pull all stops to prove that Bumrah is a run of the mill bowler.

We aren't blinded by IPL money so are more honest

 

[anikrc1]

We aren't blinded by IPL money so are more honest

Ok.

 

[big_gamer007]

We aren't blinded by IPL money so are more honest

Nah you guys are not blinded by money but blinded by hate and jealousy.

 

[Hitman]

Who was the MOS?

 

[Hitman]

We aren't blinded by IPL money so are more honest

Yea, Pakistani fans are almost always 'honest' about anything related to Indian cricket.

 

[Hawkeye]

Not that simple.

Bumrah performed in AWAY and alien conditions.

For Boland it was his home conditions.

Players are rated when they perform in the den of opposition.

E.G. Imam ul Haq piling runs in Rawalpindi doesn’t mean anything.

If he scores in Australia that would be something.

 

[Hitman]

Not that simple.

Bumrah performed in AWAY and alien conditions.

For Boland it was his home conditions.

Players are rated when they perform in the den of opposition.

Logic and common sense does not apply when it comes to Indian cricketers.

Anyways, if people love making a fool out of themselves then go ahead.

 

[Ab Fan]

Can’t miss the fact that Bumrah missed out on the most spiciest pitch in the series.

 

[Hawkeye]

Logic and common sense does not apply when it comes to Indian cricketers.

Anyways, if people love making a fool out of themselves then go ahead.

No need to play the victim card here. It’s not like Pakistani players are showered with praises and logical points among Indians. They too are unfairly targeted.

Just accept that this will happen when you are in your adversary’s internet space.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Stats :
Bumrah took 32 wickets at 13.06 and Boland took 21 at 13.19.

So the stats are quite similar.
Who do you think was the best between this two? Who had more impact on games.

For me,
Both were brilliant, nothing can be said about this. But Boland having won all the three matches he has played in was more decisive.
The batting line up were quite similar (not that good on both sides). Bumrah had the better of Khawaja and Labu while Boland didn't let Kohli breath.

Bumrah was exceptionnal in the first test, especially the first innings. He won the match in it.
But I also think he went missing on many important occasions in other matches where India could have taken the game away.
On the other hand, I think Boland was better, never went missing, always strike at the right time.
I even think had Boland played all five matches, the result could have been 5-0, he was that good.

Good post.

Where the reasoning for Boland being better goes totally pear shaped, as usual for the Pakistanis is that Boland played with Starc and Cummins while Bumrah played with Rana, Siraj and Reddy..

Once again Bumrah proves he is the big dawg, he single-handedly as a bowler nearly affected the outcome of the series on his own... Had he not got injured we might have been looking at 2-2 draw.

Nail, hammer, coffin.

 

[ali_ed2006]

No doubts in my mind that Bumrah was better. He was more impactful, the lone warrior. Along with bowling India also won a test under his captaincy. To be able to captain the team to a test match win in Australia and also put up those great numbers with the ball is amazing. Everyone knows there's a great possibility of this being 2-2 if Bumrah was able to bowl in 4th innings yesterday. Boland is no doubt a very good bowler but doesn't compare to Bumrah tbh.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ricky Ponting said that this series by Bumrah is probably the best series of fast bowling he has ever seen. Damien Fleming said that Bumrah now ranks along Hadlee and Ambrose as the best visiting bowler to tour Australia. Mark Waugh also said this is one of the best fast bowling he has ever seen. On the other hand PPers are trying to pull all stops to prove that Bumrah is a run of the mill bowler.

Its the job of your hostile rivals to pull you down. They hate you.

Since pakistani team and players are not in any comparison, they have to fall on using players from other teams.

 

[saimayubera]

Boland.

Bumrah is overrated and got whitewashed by a terrible NZ team.

Wasim-Waqar are the overrated ones. Lost a home series to Zimbabwe of all teams.

 

[Farabi]

Bumrah is the best pacer in the world and his performance is more exceptional than Boland:

1. Bumrah was Lone Ranger.
2. Bumrah was playing away.
3. I rate Aussie batting higher than this Indian batting down under.

 

[Mobashir]

Good post.

Where the reasoning for Boland being better goes totally pear shaped, as usual for the Pakistanis is that Boland played with Starc and Cummins while Bumrah played with Rana, Siraj and Reddy..

Once again Bumrah proves he is the big dawg, he single-handedly as a bowler nearly affected the outcome of the series on his own... Had he not got injured we might have been looking at 2-2 draw.

Nail, hammer, coffin.

Actually, your post is just bases on a if.
Bumrah was superb, That's the reason India won a match (also Jaiswal). Otherwise, the series was a non conteste, it's a big 3-1, and should have been 4-1.
Bumrah vs Boland is a fit debate for this series but India vs Australia, no way, Australia were much better.

 

[Mobashir]

Many here have pointed out playing away as something in favor of Bumrah.

I find it quite Strange.
Obviously fast bowlers will do better in helpful conditions for fast bowlers in Australia.
For example, Lyon has better chance to take wickets in India rather than in Australia.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Bumrah is the best pacer in the world and his performance is more exceptional than Boland:

1. Bumrah was Lone Ranger.
2. Bumrah was playing away.
3. I rate Aussie batting higher than this Indian batting down under.

Yup agree on all counts. Bumrah's performance was quite exceptional. He also had to do this across 5 tests and his performance rarely dropped barring a short period in Melbourne and later in Sydney when he has effectively been bowled into the ground.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The support isn't a big factor when you are taking wickets at low averages.

It kinda is though when one bowler has Pat Cummins bowling at the other end, while the other has Mohammad Siraj. And Bumrah has a slightly better average eventhough he played 5 tests, while Boland played 3. That makes Bumrah's performance more impressive.

 

[kingusama92]

Many here have pointed out playing away as something in favor of Bumrah.

I find it quite Strange.
Obviously fast bowlers will do better in helpful conditions for fast bowlers in Australia.
For example, Lyon has better chance to take wickets in India rather than in Australia.

You make a valid point.

But my counter to that would be to look at Warne in India. One of the greatest (if not greatest) spinners averaged 43 in Indian conditions.

It's not easy to roll into someone's home and dominate the way Bumrah did.

 

[followed]

Scott boland is the best test bowler in the world right now.
It's almost impossible to score against him. I hope they drop that overrated starc for scott boland.

Ugliest action guy was good but he couldn't help his team win more than a match and it would have been 4-1 if not for rain.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

It kinda is though when one bowler has Pat Cummins bowling at the other end, while the other has Mohammad Siraj. And Bumrah has a slightly better average eventhough he played 5 tests, while Boland played 3. That makes Bumrah's performance more impressive.

Ok siraj was hit and miss, but he did pick up 20 wickets. Which ain't to bad

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It kinda is though when one bowler has Pat Cummins bowling at the other end, while the other has Mohammad Siraj. And Bumrah has a slightly better average eventhough he played 5 tests, while Boland played 3. That makes Bumrah's performance more impressive.

Bumrah's performance was impressive without a doubt, but its been given a bollywood touch up ( not by you) and will continue to be touched up until it becomes almost mythical. I think it's important to note that Scott Boland was there or there abouts.

In regards to the support - what do you think would have happened if Bumrah had Pat Cummins bowling at the other end? Would he have got more wickets or got them at a better average? It may have impacted the result but I don't think we can tangibly say it would have changed Bumrah's output.

Sometimes players can pick up jammy wickets due to pressure at the other end and the batsmen targeting them for a release. But that didn't happen for Scott Boland, he was just as unplayable as Bumrah was.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Actually, your post is just bases on a if.
Bumrah was superb, That's the reason India won a match (also Jaiswal). Otherwise, the series was a non conteste, it's a big 3-1, and should have been 4-1.
Bumrah vs Boland is a fit debate for this series but India vs Australia, no way, Australia were much better.

Just the fact that a bowler made such a huge impact were the series could've ended 2-2 purely due to a bowler shows how great he is.

Yes Australia was the better side no one is disputing it, they were at home, they had the better bowling and batting.

And NO Boland is nowhere close to Bumrah, he had an amazing series supported by great bowlers while Bumrah didn't have that luxury while playing in the host country.

 

[Azaad]

Normal logic: All bowlers (even great ones like Bumrah/McGrath/Marshall/Wasim) need support from other end, and with an allround better bowling line up, an alpha bowler would be even more threatening and would take more wickets as the batters would be under pressure through out

PakPassion logic: Easier to take wickets when you're the only threatening bowler in the team - then of course you have the full set of 10 wickets available for you. Who needs support from the other end - cricket is an individual sport after all

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Normal logic: All bowlers (even great ones like Bumrah/McGrath/Marshall/Wasim) need support from other end, and with an allround better bowling line up, an alpha bowler would be even more threatening and would take more wickets as the batters would be under pressure through out

PakPassion logic: Easier to take wickets when you're the only threatening bowler in the team - then of course you have the full set of 10 wickets available for you. Who needs support from the other end - cricket is an individual sport after all

This logic doesn't work though in the case of either Bumrah or Boland as they were getting the wickets at low average and SR, showing that they blasted out the opposition themselves.

Neither bowler should be belittled, but we should also be clear that Bumrah stood out more than Boland because of more intangible factors that cannot be quantified ( home advantage, pressure on other end etc etc).

Based on the visual evidence and the stats both were pretty close in performance. No harm in admitting it. Indians will gain nothing pulling Boland down.

Does that make Boland a better bowler than Bumrah? Of course not, Bumrah does this day in day out against all opposition ( minus kiwis).

 

[Romali_rotti]

You make a valid point.

But my counter to that would be to look at Warne in India. One of the greatest (if not greatest) spinners averaged 43 in Indian conditions.

It's not easy to roll into someone's home and dominate the way Bumrah did.

Let me add to that 'trust me bro' moment for our guy @Mobashir Muralidatharan avgs in the 40s in India... So another sour grape Pakistani balloon popped.

 

[Mobashir]

Just the fact that a bowler made such a huge impact were the series could've ended 2-2 purely due to a bowler shows how great he is.

Yes Australia was the better side no one is disputing it, they were at home, they had the better bowling and batting.

And NO Boland is nowhere close to Bumrah, he had an amazing series supported by great bowlers while Bumrah didn't have that luxury while playing in the host country.

As the thread tittle says, this comparaison is purely on this series.

You can't compare them over their careers. Bumrah is well ahead. He has 140 more wickets even tough Boland's carrer average is better.

The comparaison is purely on this series and like I said, for me, both were amazing. It will be Just on little things that someone can think one was better than the other in this series.

 

[Romali_rotti]

As the thread tittle says, this comparaison is purely on this series.

You can't compare them over their careers. Bumrah is well ahead. He has 140 more wickets even tough Boland's carrer average is better.

The comparaison is purely on this series and like I said, for me, both were amazing. It will be Just on little things that someone can think one was better than the other in this series.

I am not disagreeing Boland didn't have a great series, he did.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

If scotty boland had played all 5 Tests then 5 nil was on the cards.

The rain denied the Aussies a 4 - 1 series win who have dominated the series besides having a shocker at Perth.

credit to bumrah for taking a bunch of wickets even if his action is questionable to say the least.

 

[Mobashir]

Intetesting.
Bumrah took 17 wickets in Perth and Brisbane, the two tests Boland didn't played in.

In the three test both played, Boland has 21 wickets and Bumrah has 15.

 

[psyoptica]

Intetesting.
Bumrah took 17 wickets in Perth and Brisbane, the two tests Boland didn't played in.

In the three test both played, Boland has 21 wickets and Bumrah has 15.

To be fair, Bumrah missed half of Sydney test which was a minefield for the batsmen

 

[Romali_rotti]

even if his action is questionable to say the least.

Yes just like Shoib Akhtars.

 

[RexRex]

If scotty boland had played all 5 Tests then 5 nil was on the cards.

If Scotty keeps this up for a couple of years and replicates it all over the world, he will enter 'great' status too..

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Yes just like Shoib Akhtars.

The difference was Shoaib was tested and cleared.

The likes of bumrah , ahswin, harbajan in the past etc are /were protected by indian money and influence over the ICC.

The indian board are afraid for them to be tested.

 

[BCCI-Enforcer]

If scotty boland had played all 5 Tests then 5 nil was on the cards.

The rain denied the Aussies a 4 - 1 series win who have dominated the series besides having a shocker at Perth.

credit to bumrah for taking a bunch of wickets even if his action is questionable to say the least.

If Bumrah is play in Sydney fully fit then match is draw and series is 2-2.

 

[Mobashir]

If Bumrah is play in Sydney fully fit then match is draw and series is 2-2.

If Bangladeshi umpire didn't cheat then 3-2 India.

And if you play India win world cup

 

[BCCI-Enforcer]

And if you play India win world cup

I am just analyst not player.

 

[Romali_rotti]

The difference was Shoaib was tested and cleared.

The likes of bumrah , ahswin, harbajan in the past etc are /were protected by indian money and influence over the ICC.

The indian board are afraid for them to be tested.

The difference is Shoib was called Bumrah has not been..

Harbhajan was asked not to bowl the Doosra as it was questionable, his action, and Harbhajan stopped bowling it, BCCi couldn't do anything about it.

So much for BCCIs influence

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

If Bumrah is play in Sydney fully fit then match is draw and series is 2-2.

The rain saved it from being 4 - 1.

The Aussies dominated the whole series bar the clanger they had in perth.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

The difference is Shoib was called Bumrah has not been..

Harbhajan was asked not to bowl the Doosra as it was questionable, his action, and Harbhajan stopped bowling it, BCCi couldn't do anything about it.

So much for BCCIs influence

The difference was Shoaib was called and cleared without the PCB s influence.

bumrah and ashwin are /were protected by the money and influence of the indian board over the ICC.

facts that everyone knows but sheltered folks like you.

Umpires are afraid to call them because they fear for their jobs.
harbhajan continued to bowl all his deliveries.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Wasim-Waqar are the overrated ones. Lost a home series to Zimbabwe of all teams.

That Zimbabwe team was better than this NZ team

 

[Mobashir]

The difference is Shoib was called Bumrah has not been..

Harbhajan was asked not to bowl the Doosra as it was questionable, his action, and Harbhajan stopped bowling it, BCCi couldn't do anything about it.

So much for BCCIs influence

The difference was Shoaib was called and cleared without the PCB s influence.

bumrah and ashwin are /were protected by the money and influence of the indian board over the ICC.

facts that everyone knows but sheltered folks like you.

Umpires are afraid to call them because they fear for their jobs.
harbhajan continued to bowl all his deliveries.

That Zimbabwe team was better than this NZ team

Guys if you don't mind, it's better to stick to the topic.
We have many other threads discussuing other things.

 

[Mobashir]

In Gabba test Bumrah took 9 for 96.
But when watching the match live I really tought that Bumrah underachieved in the match.

On day 1 India win the toss and bowl first in very very difficult conditions to bat. He was unable to take a wicket in the 15 odd overs of play against Khawaja and McSweeney.

Then, Still 1st innings, if you say he took the wicket of Smith, Head and Marsh in the same spell, it sounds nice, but the reality is that these guys were playing shots with Head on 152, Smith on 101.

Even after this, when they had a chance to restrix them to Lets say 360-370 he was unable to take Carey or Cummins.

2nd innings : He took for 3 for 18 but that innings actually don't even count. It was Just fun cricket.

 

[Pakhs]

Bumrah's performance is more impressive simply because he has taken more wickets and sustained his impact over five Test matches. However, Bolland also deserves recognition, as he bowled against what I believe was a stronger batting lineup. Australia's batting lineup is past its best and not as strong as India's. The fact that India conceded two centuries to Travis Head on these pitches is almost a criminal offence.

 

[Buffet]

The support isn't a big factor when you are taking wickets at low averages.

It is a big factor.

With good support - you are not over bowled, fresh, high effectiveness in most spells and batsmen can't simply plan to see you off.
Without good support - You get over bowled, less effective in later spells and batsmen can plan to see you off.

Bowlers not having support are likely to pick more wickets, but their Avg/SR, both should suffer.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It is a big factor.

With good support - you are not over bowled, fresh, high effectiveness in most spells and batsmen can't simply plan to see you off.
Without good support - You get over bowled, less effective in later spells and batsmen can plan to see you off.

Bowlers not having support are likely to pick more wickets, but their Avg/SR, both should suffer.

He didn't bowl too drastically more compared to other bowlers.


Sure he had one innings less, you can add 8 overs to him and take some from Siraj and Karishna but he still in same frame as other bowlers from workload POV

What do you think his average and SR could be with better support if they have suffered as a result of his support?

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Bumrah's insane 35° hyperextension.​

 

[sweep_shot]

Bumrah's insane 35° hyperextension.​

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Unless Bumrah gets tested and cleared, his records should have an asterisk.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Unless Bumrah gets tested and cleared, his records should have an asterisk.

. But we know indian players dont get tested.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Ponty's tweet on Ashwin's chucking​

 

[Nikhil_cric]

It's obvious that Scott Boland is the better bowler in Australian conditions.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Unless Bumrah gets tested and cleared, his records should have an asterisk.

That's ok @sweep_shot bro the Ummah can leave an asterisk there, but rest of the world doesn't care

No other international player or authority of relevance as far as I know have raised any concerns, goat bowler.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Pont's tweet on non chuck vs chucking.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/sn9vbm/ian_pont_on_why_hasnains_action_is_illegal

 

[Romali_rotti]

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Looks pretty similar, those hyper extensions ey