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Can I suggest Asif Ali as Pakistan's T20I captain?

Asif Ali lost all games as IU captain so Rana saying he wasn’t so bad is factually wrong…

Yet the same people are praising Rizwan’s captaincy against Australia in the first ODI (although Pakistan lost)

A fraction of these people will rate Shan Masood’s captaincy against Australia too (where Pakistan lost all 3 Tests)

Do not try to twist when it suits you people.
 
For the umpteenth time people have had issues with those who support my viewpoint, or the people who’s viewpoint align with mines.

Why is this even an issue? There are far more people who hate my views and are all pretty much birds of a feather flocking together against me. When I was alone in my view and now when there are brothers around me who have always been on the side of the truth the way I and they see it.

Not once have I ever highlighted any groups who have formed against me or my brothers here. We have always let you do your thing, be it alone or in packs. We have always dealt with you as the opposition to our views, we know who associates with who yet we have not cared to continuously highlight your alliances.
 
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Rana said:
Asif Ali lost all games as IU captain so Rana saying he wasn’t so bad is factually wrong…
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Just putting this link out there so that the habitual lies are forever recorded:

www.espncricinfo.com

Pakistan Super League Trophy individual most matches as captain | ESPNcricinfo

Pakistan Super League trophy individual most matches as captain, cricket records by trophy only on ESPNcricinfo.Check stats and records of Pakistan Super League trophy individual most matches as captain
www.espncricinfo.com www.espncricinfo.com

People can clearly see that Asif Ali has captained 3 games and lost all 3 for a 100% losing record.

But apparently me saying that Asif Ali lost all games as IU captain is factually wrong. The ironic thing being that rizwan has the best W/L ratio.

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shariqnoor said:
Just putting this link out there so that the habitual lies are forever recorded:

www.espncricinfo.com

Pakistan Super League Trophy individual most matches as captain | ESPNcricinfo

Pakistan Super League trophy individual most matches as captain, cricket records by trophy only on ESPNcricinfo.Check stats and records of Pakistan Super League trophy individual most matches as captain
www.espncricinfo.com www.espncricinfo.com

People can clearly see that Asif Ali has captained 3 games and lost all 3 for a 100% losing record.

But apparently me saying that Asif Ali lost all games as IU captain is factually wrong. The ironic thing being that rizwan has the best W/L ratio.

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Well done for once again reiterating my point.

Great sample size to prove he’s a rubbish captain btw
 
Rana said:
Asif Ali lost all games as IU captain so Rana saying he wasn’t so bad is factually wrong…

Yet the same people are praising Rizwan’s captaincy against Australia in the first ODI (although Pakistan lost)

A fraction of these people will rate Shan Masood’s captaincy against Australia too (where Pakistan lost all 3 Tests)

Do not try to twist when it suits you people.
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Never read or try to understand. Continue to hold prejudice.

That’s my way as well now.
 
To continue with the theme of this thread:

Asif Ali 3 matches as captain of PSL

Match 1: Concedes 206 runs and then proceeds to score 11 off 12 balls in the chase.

Match 2: Concedes 197 runs and then proceeds to score 12 off 9 balls in the chase.

Match 3: Scores 9 off 12 balls batting first and then loses the match with 16 balls to spare.

"BuT DidNt dO ToO BadLy As CapTaIN." 🤡
 
shariqnoor said:
To continue with the theme of this thread:

Asif Ali 3 matches as captain of PSL

Match 1: Concedes 206 runs and then proceeds to score 11 off 12 balls in the chase.

Match 2: Concedes 197 runs and then proceeds to score 12 off 9 balls in the chase.

Match 3: Scores 9 off 12 balls batting first and then loses the match with 16 balls to spare.

"BuT DidNt dO ToO BadLy As CapTaIN." 🤡
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Babar Azam v USA

Team scores 160 on a road in Dallas. Scores 43 off 41. Team needs 18 to win in a super over, captain and his missus decide not to bat and hide in the dressing room.

What trees has Babar been uprooting as captain which AA couldn’t do? He won’t hide in the super over that’s for sure.
 
Excellent litar-parade of delusional group. Asif Ali might be a hardworking player but he cannot be in playing XI let alone Captaincy.
 
Kianig89 said:
Excellent litar-parade of delusional group. Asif Ali might be a hardworking player but he cannot be in playing XI let alone Captaincy.
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Lol, you have guys like Abdullah Shafique and Imam ul Haq playing white ball formats to get you the 350+ scores in ODI.

And you have Babar and Rizwan as your openers in 2024 (having played 3-4 years in this position and failing monumentally as a nation)

Keep on trying to bring down those who actually play this game in the correct manner.


The USA loss is a grim reminder for eternity.
 
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Rana said:
Lol, you have guys like Abdullah Shafique and Imam ul Haq playing white ball formats to get you the 350+ scores in ODI.

And you have Babar and Rizwan as your openers in 2024 (having played 3-4 years in this position and failing monumentally as a nation)

Keep on trying to bring down those who actually play this game in the correct manner.


The USA loss is a grim reminder for eternity.
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What has all this to do with asif ali, this discussion is about Asif Ali the never being made T20 Captain, Asif Ali the false 9 , deluded supporters cherish on
 
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Ya Allah

Thank you for the beautiful defeat Pakistan has suffered this year at the hands of USA! This was the perfect result these arrogant RizBar supporters deserved!

Ya Allah, continue to humble these arrogant supporters of two players! May their arrogance be wiped out! May they learn to be humble and acknowledge their shortcomings as cricket fans!

God bless America!
 
shariqnoor said:
@Bewal Express see my point. Just a waste of time. We talk about Asif Ali. The answer is but what did Babar Azam do? Can't even defend his laadla Asif Ali on its own merit.
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Why should I defend the person who was the reason why your laadla’s played 1-2 years more unquestioned as openers??!!
 
shariqnoor said:
You guys are simply wasting your time and mental health on posters that have no knowledge of cricket and their personalities are rooted in dishonest opinions. I have stopped responding to such posters.

mominsaigol should take a hard look at himself. His only existence on this forum is to lap up every Rana post and like it. Whether he likes this or not but that is truly the perception of him. He can continue living like this on this forum if he wants to. Same goes for topspin. Three stooges that exist only to like each other's posts. That's literally their only contribution to this forum. Rana mentions that Asif Ali didn't do too badly as IU captain in the PSL. Asif Ali's captaincy record was 3 played 3 lost. and mominsaigol responds by saying that now that I've read the OP, I agree with what he says. So he agrees that the guy who has a 100% losing record as captain didn't do too badly as captain. Shows you the level of their blindness. Maybe they are all just one person with three different ids.

This Rana dude has 0 answers to anyone who factually answers him. You can show him Asif Ali's pathetic record and his response would be what did Rizwan do? You can tell him how bad Imad was against India and his response would be what did Rizwan do? Amir bowled the worst Super Over in Pakistan history against USA but his response would be what did Rizwan do? Never ever answers the question but deflects. It's like one party in Pakistan says to the other "you are corrupt". The other party instead of defending itself with reason, says "but what about the corruption you did?". And in the end, when nothing works, responds to name calling which I'm sure he'll do again here which will only validate my point.
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Perfectly summed up.
 
This variety of Pakistan supporters is nothing new. It's the same kind that allowed a mediocre cricketer like Afridi a career that lasted the better part of two and a half decades.

Flying the flag flies high for cricketers like Sharjeel Khan, Mohd Amir, Imad Wasim, Umar Akmal, Asif Ali etc. hasn't got and won't get Pakistan cricket anywhere.
 
Varun said:
This variety of Pakistan supporters is nothing new. It's the same kind that allowed a mediocre cricketer like Afridi a career that lasted the better part of two and a half decades.

Flying the flag flies high for cricketers like Sharjeel Khan, Mohd Amir, Imad Wasim, Umar Akmal, Asif Ali etc. hasn't got and won't get Pakistan cricket anywhere.
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The really worrying thing is that unlike the fans who supported Afridi were in an era where they didn't have access to all the data and information we have today. To support these players in this day and age with all the information at hand is just plain stubbornness in my opinion. They don't have the teams best interest at heart and just want to back their players however badly they are performing or put down the players they dislike however well they are performing. Many people (myself included) have supported a player but then criticised them when they underperformed or praised a player we didn't personally initially liked but gave him his due when he earned it. But these people are set in their ways and aren't open to any actual honest and open debate/discussion.

The same thing happened today in the US where Trump won, the majority of the people just put their head in the sand and went lalalala forgoing all rational and critical thinking.
 
Varun said:
This variety of Pakistan supporters is nothing new. It's the same kind that allowed a mediocre cricketer like Afridi a career that lasted the better part of two and a half decades.

Flying the flag flies high for cricketers like Sharjeel Khan, Mohd Amir, Imad Wasim, Umar Akmal, Asif Ali etc. hasn't got and won't get Pakistan cricket anywhere.
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USA game should have been the end of Amir fandom but I'm surprised it continued.

Asif Ali is the anomaly in your list in that he isn't a criminal or primma Donna. Just a lad who has had a hard life and tries his best to make the most of his kismet. Yes he hasn't performed but his human story is a compelling one. From poverty to working on a factory to getting a contract and then his poor daughter dying. To come back from something that could leave a person depressed and forlorn forever to win high pressure world cup games for your country is some feat.

He is Ina a separate category to the sharjeels, Akmals and Amirs.

(Of course this doesn't mean he should be getting selected)
 
DeadlyVenom said:
USA game should have been the end of Amir fandom but I'm surprised it continued.

Asif Ali is the anomaly in your list in that he isn't a criminal or primma Donna. Just a lad who has had a hard life and tries his best to make the most of his kismet. Yes he hasn't performed but his human story is a compelling one. From poverty to working on a factory to getting a contract and then his poor daughter dying. To come back from something that could leave a person depressed and forlorn forever to win high pressure world cup games for your country is some feat.

He is Ina a separate category to the sharjeels, Akmals and Amirs.

(Of course this doesn't mean he should be getting selected)
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Agreed.
He's a player that I think everyone is/was rooting for given the history and just the way he has carried himself..
 
DeadlyVenom said:
It has been dented severely in T20 cricket.
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To you, yes.

There are still plenty of people living in denial. As for Amir, he responded brilliantly for Pakistan in the very next match against a much tougher opponent in India. He didn’t bowl too bad during the match against USA either. He was still Pakistan’s top wicket taker in the tournament. So it’s not fair to demand his fandom to simply end. He is still as of now the best white ball pacers in T20 cricket in Pakistan.
 
Many of us were genuinely rooting for Asif Ali, hoping he could establish himself in T20 internationals despite his known limitations as a player. He was given ample opportunities to prove himself, but unfortunately, his performances fell short. Elevating him to the level where we debate his potential as a captain or call him a selfless player feels unproductive and may detract from the quality of this forum. Discussions like these would be better focused on consistent performers and players who have a proven impact on the team.
 
Caved12 said:
Many of us were genuinely rooting for Asif Ali, hoping he could establish himself in T20 internationals despite his known limitations as a player. He was given ample opportunities to prove himself, but unfortunately, his performances fell short. Elevating him to the level where we debate his potential as a captain or call him a selfless player feels unproductive and may detract from the quality of this forum. Discussions like these would be better focused on consistent performers and players who have a proven impact on the team.
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Consistent at what? Producing useless rubbish? The kind of rubbish that peaks against USA?
 
Rana said:

95mph? No problem for Sharjeel Khan.

The fans who rate Imam ul Haq over Ponting will never understand his value.
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You didn’t mention that England scored 444 in this match, which was the highest ODI total at the time.

Yes, Sharjeel was talented, but no one forced him into fixing. Even after having time to work on his fitness and improve his batting flaws, what stopped him from doing so?

Sharjeels case seems beyond redemption. I’d much rather prefer players like Saim or Haris along with Fakhar.
 
mango_bite77 said:
You didn’t mention that England scored 444 in this match, which was the highest ODI total at the time.

Yes, Sharjeel was talented, but no one forced him into fixing. Even after having time to work on his fitness and improve his batting flaws, what stopped him from doing so?

Sharjeels case seems beyond redemption. I’d much rather prefer players like Saim or Haris along with Fakhar.
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The point is to show blind fans who say Sharjeel is pure rubbish what the reality is. Which player in the current Pakistan side or in their set up can manhandle 90+mph bowling like Sharjeel has proven to do?
 
Rana said:
The point is to show blind fans who say Sharjeel is pure rubbish what the reality is. Which player in the current Pakistan side or in their set up can manhandle 90+mph bowling like Sharjeel has proven to do?
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Fakhar has proven it, Haris did vs Rabada and Nortje in WC. There is no point giving reference of someone who is a gone case. Similarly Umar Akmal was 10 times talented than our entire pool players available currently, but is there any point discussing about his return? No
 
mango_bite77 said:
Fakhar has proven it, Haris did vs Rabada and Nortje in WC. There is no point giving reference of someone who is a gone case. Similarly Umar Akmal was 10 times talented than our entire pool players available currently, but is there any point discussing about his return? No
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Fakhar, Haris sohail, Sharjeel, Sarfaraz, Hafeez( as an allrounder at no 4), Imad Wasim(2016-2021), Amir(2009-2017) etc etc

All these guys are proper talents that Pakistan either mishandled or these players themselves dampened their careers via fixing etc.

Had pcb been more intelligent and up to date with the modern format and players themselves had been a bit more responsible then we could have easily had a solid team.

Regardless the player I'm most dissapointed in isn't sharjeel or asif.

It's haris sohail, Dude was a classy batsmen who doesn't get credit. Had he not been injury prone and had pcb not misused him, this guy would have easily gone on to become one of Pakistan's best ever left handed batsmen.

I haven't seen a single no 5 batter since the misbah era began surpass haris in whiteball.

As a batsmen he's far more talented then babar, a clean timer and a proper 6 hitter. But sadly he didn't have the pr hype nor did he have the fitness.

I remember nz vs pak in 2019 and all I saw was haris sohail dismantle the best bowling attack in the tournament on a difficult pitch however credit went to babar for his stat pad tuk tuk 101 instead.

That shows how messed up pcb's PR is.
 
mominsaigol said:
Fakhar, Haris sohail, Sharjeel, Sarfaraz, Hafeez( as an allrounder at no 4), Imad Wasim(2016-2021), Amir(2009-2017) etc etc

All these guys are proper talents that Pakistan either mishandled or these players themselves dampened their careers via fixing etc.

Had pcb been more intelligent and up to date with the modern format and players themselves had been a bit more responsible then we could have easily had a solid team.

Regardless the player I'm most dissapointed in isn't sharjeel or asif.

It's haris sohail, Dude was a classy batsmen who doesn't get credit. Had he not been injury prone and had pcb not misused him, this guy would have easily gone on to become one of Pakistan's best ever left handed batsmen.

I haven't seen a single no 5 batter since the misbah era began surpass haris in whiteball.

As a batsmen he's far more talented then babar, a clean timer and a proper 6 hitter. But sadly he didn't have the pr hype nor did he have the fitness.

I remember nz vs pak in 2019 and all I saw was haris sohail dismantle the best bowling attack in the tournament on a difficult pitch however credit went to babar for his stat pad tuk tuk 101 instead.

That shows how messed up pcb's PR is.
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His innings against South Africa in 2019 was one of the best ever innings by a Pakistani batsman in world cups. Phenomenal ball striker. God gifted talent.
 
Rana said:
His innings against South Africa in 2019 was one of the best ever innings by a Pakistani batsman in world cups. Phenomenal ball striker. God gifted talent.
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He was my favourite batsmen alongside fakhar during sarfi's era. Pakistan hasn't found a single middle order batsmen that has managed to surpass him(since Misbah's era, otherwise Inzi is obviously superior)
 
Rana said:
His innings against South Africa in 2019 was one of the best ever innings by a Pakistani batsman in world cups. Phenomenal ball striker. God gifted talent.
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Lol, I just remembered what Mamoon said about Haris sohail when I talked about Babar's innings against NZ in 2019 🤣🤣.

Dude was telling me how haris sohail's innings didn't matter as I didn't appreciate Babar's innings.

He compared Babar's 101 to Labu's 58 of 101 and was claiming Labu was the reason Australia beat India 🤣🤣.

Yei halat hain. He thinks players who played support roles are the primary reason why said teams won, not the aggressive batsmen who did 90% of the work. Sadi khair hai 🤦🏻.
 
mominsaigol said:
He was my favourite batsmen alongside fakhar during sarfi's era. Pakistan hasn't found a single middle order batsmen that has managed to surpass him(since Misbah's era, otherwise Inzi is obviously superior)
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Babar, Hafeez and Sohail were a good middle order trio. Babar the better player of pace, whereas Hafeez a solid technician of spin (decent player of pace) and Sohail the maverick, he could produce quality and elegance.

The team under Sarfaraz+Mickey was ten times better than the rubbish that followed ever since they were sidelined.
 
mominsaigol said:
Fakhar, Haris sohail, Sharjeel, Sarfaraz, Hafeez( as an allrounder at no 4), Imad Wasim(2016-2021), Amir(2009-2017) etc etc

All these guys are proper talents that Pakistan either mishandled or these players themselves dampened their careers via fixing etc.

Had pcb been more intelligent and up to date with the modern format and players themselves had been a bit more responsible then we could have easily had a solid team.

Regardless the player I'm most dissapointed in isn't sharjeel or asif.

It's haris sohail, Dude was a classy batsmen who doesn't get credit. Had he not been injury prone and had pcb not misused him, this guy would have easily gone on to become one of Pakistan's best ever left handed batsmen.

I haven't seen a single no 5 batter since the misbah era began surpass haris in whiteball.

As a batsmen he's far more talented then babar, a clean timer and a proper 6 hitter. But sadly he didn't have the pr hype nor did he have the fitness.

I remember nz vs pak in 2019 and all I saw was haris sohail dismantle the best bowling attack in the tournament on a difficult pitch however credit went to babar for his stat pad tuk tuk 101 instead.

That shows how messed up pcb's PR is.
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Agreed all of them were talented except Imad who was bit clever rather than talented.

Hafeez served well from 2007, despite his debut in 2003. So don't think he was mistreated by PCB. Rather PCB gave him lot of support when he was called for chucking multiple times.

From remaining, Except Fakhar, everyone have their stories of messing up with their career. Fakhar is the only one who is being mistreated for no reasons.

Sharjeel: Fixing, couldn't make comeback, enough discussed.

Sarfaraz: Was mediocre initially when he debuted around 2009, but had purple patch in 2014-2017. Served well, but started hiding behind tail enders to cover his failures in batting. Also his poor fitness and yawning on the field didn't help his cause.


Haris Sohail: One of the most talented left hander post Saeed Bhai for Pakistan, but again he was too lazy and lenient about his career and fitness. His innings vs NZ in Abu dhabi, Vs Nz in WC and Vs SA WC is something which no batter has done in recent times. But again he was inconsistent too, and adding his fitness woes he lost his place. However I still believe he can make come back in ODIs and serve till 2027 WC.

Imad: Dropped due to performance issues by Wasim , but instead of working on fitness and skills , sat on national TV to crib about his place. Got under influence of Amir and lost his plot completely. If a player like sarfaraz, champion trophy winner can go back to domestic to improve his form, there is no reason why a mediocre cricketer like Imad should not go back to domestic
. He is no Kallis, flintoff or Yuvraj and he is literally too small player to blackmail PCB. I can agree to some extent if Amir does this, but Imad?
 
mango_bite77 said:
Agreed all of them were talented except Imad who was bit clever rather than talented.

Hafeez served well from 2007, despite his debut in 2003. So don't think he was mistreated by PCB. Rather PCB gave him lot of support when he was called for chucking multiple times.

From remaining, Except Fakhar, everyone have their stories of messing up with their career. Fakhar is the only one who is being mistreated for no reasons.

Sharjeel: Fixing, couldn't make comeback, enough discussed.

Sarfaraz: Was mediocre initially when he debuted around 2009, but had purple patch in 2014-2017. Served well, but started hiding behind tail enders to cover his failures in batting. Also his poor fitness and yawning on the field didn't help his cause.


Haris Sohail: One of the most talented left hander post Saeed Bhai for Pakistan, but again he was too lazy and lenient about his career and fitness. His innings vs NZ in Abu dhabi, Vs Nz in WC and Vs SA WC is something which no batter has done in recent times. But again he was inconsistent too, and adding his fitness woes he lost his place. However I still believe he can make come back in ODIs and serve till 2027 WC.

Imad: Dropped due to performance issues by Wasim , but instead of working on fitness and skills , sat on national TV to crib about his place. Got under influence of Amir and lost his plot completely. If a player like sarfaraz, champion trophy winner can go back to domestic to improve his form, there is no reason why a mediocre cricketer like Imad should not go back to domestic
. He is no Kallis, flintoff or Yuvraj and he is literally too small player to blackmail PCB. I can agree to some extent if Amir does this, but Imad?
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1) Hafeez wasn't mistreated but he was an ego head and Misbah let him do whatever he wanted. Anyone with a brain can tell that hafeez's best innings In odi always began qith very very nervous starts.

He needed to survive the opening spell in order to score big. Why did it take so long aka till 2016 to finally play him at no 4? Hafeez clearly laces spin and isn't a fan of the early seam movement of which steyn exposed him 10x over?

2) Fakhar has been mistreated since Misbah came back to promote rizwan. Fakhar in 2018 single handidely dismantled Australia 2x and gave pakistan that no 1 t20 rank in the first place. Pakistan defeating Australia in the tri series is why we even got the no 1 rank lol.

His 91 of 46 is >>> anything rizzu can and will do. The only good thing is, with the exception of a few, even the most die hard rizzu supporters now agree that at the very least the t20 side won't progress under his leadership.

Similarly fakhar being dropped due to poor form and being replaced by Imam who had even worse form in 2023 wc and Abdullah shafique who's frauded his way into International by bashing sri lanka amd failing against every other side on the planet is hilarious.

3) Sarfi didn't hide behind tail enders. He promoted hasan ali due to hasan ali being a better slogger and could tullei baaz some sixes which was often required in that situation.

He always wanted to be a no 7 keeper like Alex Carey but media pressure forced him to open or bat at 4 or bat at 5. Media ruined sarfi especially during 2019 where he was forced to bat at 5 or 6.

Had he batted higher up, Everyone would have complained nonstop about how he's blocking youngsters and is a selfish captain. Because batting at no 4 or no 5 would mean hafeez and haris sohail would have to make way to adjust and you guys would have torn him into pieces.

4) Imad wasn't dropped due to performance issues. This excuse is the same as fakhar being dropped for either Imam or Abdullah in wc 2023. You drop a guy with poor form and then replace him for an even crappie player.

Nawaz is nowhere close to Imad as a player and never was. Sure nawaz has that one fluke batting performance against India and he's stat padded his bowling figures a bit due to playing c string tours, buts he's a bottler and an overall very very poor bowler and batsmen. In 2023 wc and Asia cup, he and shadab were the 2 worst bowlers of that cup and one of the worst batters as well. The only bowler who was worse was joe root and root is a part timer and is primarily a batsmen.

Imad was dropped because he doesn't really support the Babar regime and in psl he kicked rizwan out of KK.

Pak cricket Is less about cricket nowadays and more about politics.
 
Rana said:
Babar, Hafeez and Sohail were a good middle order trio. Babar the better player of pace, whereas Hafeez a solid technician of spin (decent player of pace) and Sohail the maverick, he could produce quality and elegance.

The team under Sarfaraz+Mickey was ten times better than the rubbish that followed ever since they were sidelined.
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Obviously

1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Imam (Only weak link)
3) Babar (2019 inform)
4) Hafeez
5) Haris sohail
6) Sohaib Malik
7) Imad
8) Sarfaraz
9) Hasan Ali
10) Amir
11) Junaid/Shaheen

12-15) Asif, Junaid/Shaheen, Faheem Ashraf, Shadab Khan

Vs

1) Saim Ayub (Walking wicket atm)
2) Abdullah Shafique (Worse then Imam surprisingly)
3) Babar (Has been in 2024)
4) Rizwan (lol)
5) Kamran Ghulam (Batting at no 5 lol)
6) Salman Ali Agha
7) Irfan Khan Niazi
8) Shaheen (Run machine atm)
9) Naseem Shah (Only run machine)
10) Haris Rauf (Wicket taking but still a run machine)
11) Husnain (Brainless in international cricket)

The top 4 in 2024 are all walking wickets, and KG, Agha and irfan aren't anything special.

KG and Agha are fighters atleast so I'll give them credit for that, and the bowlers are all run machines.
 
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