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Can Non-Muslim Pakistanis Drink Alcohol Legally in Pakistan?

justarslan said:
Yes, Pakistan does not force religious view of majority on religious minorities like people from fake secular Hindustan who are forcing Hindu religious view on their Christian, Jewish and Muslim minority.
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So then I can order bacon butty for breakfast freely then??
 
Thivagar said:
Im asking, how is cigarette not "haram" ? Is it only haram if prophet Muhammad says its "haram" ? How about Sisha ?
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There's a difference of opinion on cigarettes. There is nothing outright in the Quran that forbids it, although those that say it is haraam point to the ruling that harming your body is not good for you and discouraged. By the same token over eating is also discouraged. It doesn't make it haraam per se but it is something that is frowned upon.
 
Nostalgic said:
Is it just me or do all the threads these days contain variants of the exact same debate? If you squint your eyes as you click, you can see cow-Muslim-cow-MQM-minority-halal-RAW-beef-Modi-haram-RSS-minority-ISI repeated in a loop.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's almost psychedelic.
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sensible-indian-fan said:
IT IS A BAD THING.

Its just a series of elongated keyboard wars from Indian and Pak posters.

Of course there are exceptions like threads like these where shaykh is asking a genuine question cos he doesn't know.
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You think this is an exception? Shaykh literally has one agenda when posting threads and that is to question Islam and it's rulings, or Muslim counties and their practise. Not saying it's a bad thing, just saying it is quite obvious as Nos bhai pointed out above.

If this was a genuine question as you put it, where is shaykh since posting the thread? It has obviously backfired. And hence he hasn't come back to post since the question, which he probably thought would instigate some self pondering on behalf of Pakistanis and Muslims about double standards, has been answered so directly by DW and Nos.
 
Saqs said:
You think this is an exception? Shaykh literally has one agenda when posting threads and that is to question Islam and it's rulings, or Muslim counties and their practise. Not saying it's a bad thing, just saying it is quite obvious as Nos bhai pointed out above.

If this was a genuine question as you put it, where is shaykh since posting the thread? It has obviously backfired. And hence he hasn't come back to post since the question, which he probably thought would instigate some self pondering on behalf of Pakistanis and Muslims about double standards, has been answered so directly by DW and Nos.
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A bit of a fail on your part...I did post in response...and said the responses were quite enlightening...I asked a question and got an answer...and also asked about pork...

This topic actually makes Islam look better...and based on that im somewhat confused as to what the likes of JA think my intention is...he says i already know the answer...surely if that was the case and my intention in this thread was to malign islam then i wouldnt have posted the topic...

It may shock you but i dont actually know everything :) ...sometimes a question is just a question...
 
Saqs said:
You think this is an exception? Shaykh literally has one agenda when posting threads and that is to question Islam and it's rulings, or Muslim counties and their practise. Not saying it's a bad thing, just saying it is quite obvious as Nos bhai pointed out above.

If this was a genuine question as you put it, where is shaykh since posting the thread? It has obviously backfired. And hence he hasn't come back to post since the question, which he probably thought would instigate some self pondering on behalf of Pakistanis and Muslims about double standards, has been answered so directly by DW and Nos.
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Actually my comment wasn't aimed at shaykh, or anyone else for that matter. Just an observation that no matter what the topic, the debate eventually ends up being about cows or MQM or some such controversy. Even on this thread, the cow made an appearance early on, which I found more amusing than irritating.
 
shaykh said:
A bit of a fail on your part...I did post in response...and said the responses were quite enlightening...I asked a question and got an answer...and also asked about pork...

This topic actually makes Islam look better...and based on that im somewhat confused as to what the likes of JA think my intention is...he says i already know the answer...surely if that was the case and my intention in this thread was to malign islam then i wouldnt have posted the topic...

It may shock you but i dont actually know everything :) ...sometimes a question is just a question...
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Apologies. I skimmed through the thread and didn't find a response from you.

I'm just pointing out the pattern I'm noticing which is every thread you create is something related to Islamic rulings or practices in Muslim countries.
 
Nostalgic said:
Actually my comment wasn't aimed at shaykh, or anyone else for that matter. Just an observation that no matter what the topic, the debate eventually ends up being about cows or MQM or some such controversy. Even on this thread, the cow made an appearance early on, which I found more amusing than irritating.
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Lol. Kinda like the thread about Pakistan becoming more liberal. A lot of Hinduism and cow related stuff snuck it's way into that thread also.

Which reminds me, you need to post your views in that thread.
 
Saqs said:
Apologies. I skimmed through the thread and didn't find a response from you.

I'm just pointing out the pattern I'm noticing which is every thread you create is something related to Islamic rulings or practices in Muslim countries.
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Lol I don't like Islam...that's no secret...but if you're gonna make a claim then you're gonna have to substantiate it...

Most of my posts address politics in general...and some address theology that being Islam...but since you want to claim EVERY thread I create is somehow linked to Islamic rulings lets check your claim...

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/search.php?searchid=238803

You can offer another apology now...
 
shaykh said:
Lol I don't like Islam...that's no secret...but if you're gonna make a claim then you're gonna have to substantiate it...

Most of my posts address politics in general...and some address theology that being Islam...but since you want to claim EVERY thread I create is somehow linked to Islamic rulings lets check your claim...

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/search.php?searchid=238803

You can offer another apology now...
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Every thread or not, it's a fair observation. I have no issues but it's interesting why someone who became a Muslim, left Islam would bother to waste so much of their time discussing something which they totally reject? I mean it must be hard enough thinking back to spending all that time, praying, seeking God's forgiveness etc but only to go and waste more time when you have figured it all out?
 
KingKhanWC said:
Every thread or not, it's a fair observation. I have no issues but it's interesting why someone who became a Muslim, left Islam would bother to waste so much of their time discussing something which they totally reject? I mean it must be hard enough thinking back to spending all that time, praying, seeking God's forgiveness etc but only to go and waste more time when you have figured it all out?
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Lol what an odd post ...so people should only discuss things they agree with?...

This is akin to me saying why do you discuss US foreign policy ...I mean why waste your time?...why would you discuss something you totally reject?...

Tbf this is a forum dude ...debate is fun sometimes :) ...
 
KingKhanWC said:
Every thread or not, it's a fair observation. I have no issues but it's interesting why someone who became a Muslim, left Islam would bother to waste so much of their time discussing something which they totally reject? I mean it must be hard enough thinking back to spending all that time, praying, seeking God's forgiveness etc but only to go and waste more time when you have figured it all out?
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We all discuss things we don't like.
 
Thivagar said:
Im asking, how is cigarette not "haram" ? Is it only haram if prophet Muhammad says its "haram" ? How about Sisha ?
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I have know answer but I have answer

well its normal here you peoples used to ask sensitive questions from us being know that we wouldnt have answers of those & rightly so as we are not scholars, our answerless faces helps you for your inner satisfaction infact the reason behind of your cross examination is just you peoples seeking inner satisfaction from our pointless answers.

contrary, I never seen peoples here interrogating you peoples that why killing rats is paap??? why poisonous snakes have the status of god?? why ugly monkeys have the designation of god??? why there are over 5000 gods in a single religion???? why there is separate god for each & every thing like rain, fire, wind, sea, water, lakes, rivers. air ..................& who should follow whom????
 
Saqs said:
There's a difference of opinion on cigarettes. There is nothing outright in the Quran that forbids it, although those that say it is haraam point to the ruling that harming your body is not good for you and discouraged. By the same token over eating is also discouraged. It doesn't make it haraam per se but it is something that is frowned upon.
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So whatever prophet Muhammad said is Haram, other things even if they are bad to your health or status are discouraged but they aren't actually "Haram" ?
 
shaykh said:
Lol what an odd post ...so people should only discuss things they agree with?...

This is akin to me saying why do you discuss US foreign policy ...I mean why waste your time?...why would you discuss something you totally reject?...

Tbf this is a forum dude ...debate is fun sometimes :) ...
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Islam is past for you & I am sure no body in this world can force you to restart obeying Islam then why dnt you leave Islam for us???

past is past & past is gone, why dnt you bury your past rather bring muslims in interrogation boxes on daily basis
 
Thivagar said:
So whatever prophet Muhammad said is Haram, other things even if they are bad to your health or status are discouraged but they aren't actually "Haram" ?
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I'm not an expert on the matter but Islamic law stems from two main sources. The Quran and the Sunnah. The third source is the consensus of Islamic scholars. So it's not as black and white as if the Prophet said it or not.
 
shaykh said:
Lol I don't like Islam...that's no secret...but if you're gonna make a claim then you're gonna have to substantiate it...

Most of my posts address politics in general...and some address theology that being Islam...but since you want to claim EVERY thread I create is somehow linked to Islamic rulings lets check your claim...

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/search.php?searchid=238803

You can offer another apology now...
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Lol you ain't getting another apology. My point still stands that most of your posts are about Islamic rulings, Islamic history or something that a Muslim country is doing.
 
Honestly I'm very surprised at this thread, was under the impression alcohol was only made for export and black market selling.

Are foreign brands imported and sold in Pakistan then? Like would you see Scottish whiskey on sale or other foreign goods. Just curious
 
Madplayer said:
Is it even available in Pakistan for consumption?
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I have been told by a few Ppers yes it is. Not sure it should be though. Even though my religion permits me to consume Pork/Bacon I wouldnt do it in a Muslim majority country.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Honestly I'm very surprised at this thread, was under the impression alcohol was only made for export and black market selling.

Are foreign brands imported and sold in Pakistan then? Like would you see Scottish whiskey on sale or other foreign goods. Just curious
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Yeah you can find foreign brands too, they're more expensive.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Honestly I'm very surprised at this thread, was under the impression alcohol was only made for export and black market selling.

Are foreign brands imported and sold in Pakistan then? Like would you see Scottish whiskey on sale or other foreign goods. Just curious
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No not openly, no. Although there is a huge black market for foreign brands which usually works by people coming from abroad and generally through Dubai Duty Free can get coupla bottles of good quality hooch and then sell it 5 or 6 times its original value.
 
Pakistanis of this forum just out of curiosity, does it make you feel good or bad that alcohol is available in Pak?
 
PCP_1 said:
No not openly, no. Although there is a huge black market for foreign brands which usually works by people coming from abroad and generally through Dubai Duty Free can get coupla bottles of good quality hooch and then sell it 5 or 6 times its original value.
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There are legal liquor stores that sell foreign brands legally, also hotels usually keep foreign brands
 
Deosai said:
There are legal liquor stores that sell foreign brands legally, also hotels usually keep foreign brands
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I visited many liquor stores in Karachi but none had any well known global foreign brands just better packaged semi desi stuff NOR any wine. Also the couple of times I was there, I went to the Sheraton, all they had was some brandless white wine and that too was brought along with some hideous table ornament to camaflouge it, plus it tasted like it was left out to aerate since the opening of the hotel.
 
PCP_1 said:
I visited many liquor stores in Karachi but none had any well known global foreign brands just better packaged semi desi stuff NOR any wine. Also the couple of times I was there, I went to the Sheraton, all they had was some brandless white wine and that too was brought along with some hideous table ornament to camaflouge it, plus it tasted like it was left out to aerate since the opening of the hotel.
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I didn't know that, though a friend of mines actually bought a can of Heineken at some liquor store
 
Saqs said:
Pakistanis of this forum just out of curiosity, does it make you feel good or bad that alcohol is available in Pak?
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It was legal at one time. And we should go back to it. Less deaths from toxic moonshine, etc.
 
Saqs said:
Pakistanis of this forum just out of curiosity, does it make you feel good or bad that alcohol is available in Pak?
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Why is alcohol such a taboo topic. It's just a beverage, you can choose to drink it or not.


People who do not drink alcohol are not flag-bearers of piety, and people who drink it are also not Satan's bedfellows.
 
Deosai said:
Alcohol is the 2nd most deadly drug in the world, so it's not like it's gonna save lives
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Alcohol is already available openly for those who could afford it. If anything it'd reduce the loss of lives caused by the consumption of toxic liquor.
 
Syed1 said:
Why is alcohol such a taboo topic. It's just a beverage, you can choose to drink it or not.


People who do not drink alcohol are not flag-bearers of piety, and people who drink it are also not Satan's bedfellows.
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The fact of the matter is that it is a taboo topic. Which is why I'm asking the question.
 
Laal said:
Alcohol is already available openly for those who could afford it. If anything it'd reduce the loss of lives caused by the consumption of toxic liquor.
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This is a valid point.
 
Deosai said:
Alcohol is the 2nd most deadly drug in the world, so it's not like it's gonna save lives
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A drug is a drug. It is something that helps us go through life as long as you take the prescribed amount. Boredom is a disease worse than cancer and Id rather smoke a blunt or have a couple of bourbons on the rocks rather than care about what to do tomorrow in my long healthy boring life.

If people have problems with alcohol or some other drug due to some longetivity statistics, then they should stop driving or at the least avoid being born in war zones.
 
PCP_1 said:
I visited many liquor stores in Karachi but none had any well known global foreign brands just better packaged semi desi stuff NOR any wine. Also the couple of times I was there, I went to the Sheraton, all they had was some brandless white wine and that too was brought along with some hideous table ornament to camaflouge it, plus it tasted like it was left out to aerate since the opening of the hotel.
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LOL poor you. We have dealers here in Islamabad/Lahore selling Absolut Vodka on spot. They deliver at your home. :afridi
 
PCP_1 said:
I visited many liquor stores in Karachi but none had any well known global foreign brands just better packaged semi desi stuff NOR any wine. Also the couple of times I was there, I went to the Sheraton, all they had was some brandless white wine and that too was brought along with some hideous table ornament to camaflouge it, plus it tasted like it was left out to aerate since the opening of the hotel.
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If you ever go to Islamabad, the diplomats' network could hook you up with the good stuff.

There's also diplomats' grade charas. Highly recommended.
 
Nostalgic said:
If you ever go to Islamabad, the diplomats' network could hook you up with the good stuff.

There's also diplomats' grade charas. Highly recommended.
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do you remember those old pics of Peshawar? when there was peace most **** log used to visit pekhawar for chars
 
Strike Rate said:
do you remember those old pics of Peshawar? when there was peace most **** log used to visit pekhawar for chars
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Afghanistan and Pakistan were on the famed (and infamous) hippie trail. The "Afghani hash" is a charas blend that the old hippies here in the U.S. still remember very very fondly. There's even a popular strain of marijuana called Kush (after Hindu Kush) that aims to mimic the flavor.
 
Nostalgic said:
Afghanistan and Pakistan were on the famed (and infamous) hippie trail. The "Afghani hash" is a charas blend that the old hippies here in the U.S. still remember very very fondly. There's even a popular strain of marijuana called Kush (after Hindu Kush) that aims to mimic the flavor.
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Have u ever tried it?
 
Strike Rate said:
Have u ever tried it?
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Kush? No. But I'm moving to Colorado so it's only a matter of time. Although I'll probably go for the oil vapor instead of the bud. No combustion, and no carcinogens.

Charas I've had too many times to remember while still in Pakistan. I've never risked it here, to avoid any legal issues.
 
Nostalgic said:
Kush? No. But I'm moving to Colorado so it's only a matter of time. Although I'll probably go for the oil vapor instead of the bud. No combustion, and no carcinogens.

Charas I've had too many times to remember while still in Pakistan. I've never risked it here, to avoid any legal issues.
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oh ok so you are an old chrasi :D it's fun being a charsi dunya jahan se befiker
 
Strike Rate said:
around 40
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Really? I can feel young again.

Everyone, from now on Strike Rate is the designated sagacious, experienced buddha, for whenever you need advice. I'm relinquishing my responsibilities to him.
 
Nostalgic said:
Really? I can feel young again.

Everyone, from now on Strike Rate is the designated sagacious, experienced buddha, for whenever you need advice. I'm relinquishing my responsibilities to him.
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yea my soul is still stuck somewhere in late 80s and early 90s but bhai jaan dil jawan hona chahiye umer main kia rakha he!
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
Not sure if you are kidding but if you are actually 40 then you should know that such numbers are not thrown around. :srt
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I know buddy got some christian friends here so i know how this biz is being run i was just trying to be funny in that post but look like a failed attempt :facepalm:
 
Strike Rate said:
I know buddy got some christian friends here so i know how this biz is being run i was just trying to be funny in that post but look like a failed attempt :facepalm:
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I might have to check your posting history. But if its the strike rate ( the one who used to own mamoon and get owned sometimes :)) ) then you are one of the coolest 40 yo desis i know. :')
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
I might have to check your posting history. But if its the strike rate ( the one who used to own mamoon and get owned sometimes :)) ) then you are one of the coolest 40 yo desis i know. :')
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haha yes i am that one but my love hate relation with mamoon ended long time ago we stopped quoting each other and just skipped each other posts to never start it again!
 
Strike Rate said:
oh ok so you are an old chrasi :D it's fun being a charsi dunya jahan se befiker
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Well, it depends on the strain. The Indicas induce the symptoms you describe: a chilled, laid-back, feel, almost like sleep. The Sativas are the exact opposite: they actually enhance your experiences, make you active mentally, and create a really cerebral buzz.
 
Nostalgic said:
Well, it depends on the strain. The Indicas induce the symptoms you describe: a chilled, laid-back, feel, almost like sleep. The Sativas are the exact opposite: they actually enhance your experiences, make you active mentally, and create a really cerebral buzz.
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That's why most of our cricketers were smart back in old days 70s/80s and 90s. They always had the stuff with them even on tours (remember qasim omar story?) but after 2000 i guess our team saw only M Asif a lone charsi in the team.
 
Strike Rate said:
That's why most of our cricketers were smart back in old days 70s/80s and 90s. They always had the stuff with them even on tours (remember qasim omar story?) but after 2000 i guess our team saw only M Asif a lone charsi in the team.
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"Wasim bhai aap thaktay nahein hein?"
"Nahein, mein cigarette nahein peeta...

...
...

... mein charas peeta hun"

I haven't heard the Qasim Omar story. Do tell.

Asif was more afeemi than charsi. He was arrested with salajeet, the panacea that every neem hakeem peddles.
 
Nostalgic said:
"Wasim bhai aap thaktay nahein hein?"
"Nahein, mein cigarette nahein peeta...

...
...

... mein charas peeta hun"

I haven't heard the Qasim Omar story. Do tell.

Asif was more afeemi than charsi. He was arrested with salajeet, the panacea that every neem hakeem peddles.
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Wasim bhai thak kese sakte thai :D btw are u sure it was salajeet i heard it was chars that was found. Qasim Omar was like Rashid Latif of that era a wanna be angel so his amazing career ended so early because he was unable to adjust in that environment otherwise he was a great bat in the making he is not with Tableeghi Jamaat and you will be surprised he was a Pakistani player but was born in Kenya and now settled in UK. Let me quote some of his story

He also accused several of his teammates [and other cricketers] for being involved in match-fixing and use of drugs. He was handed out a seven-year ban for the allegations. Shortly afterwards, he lost his bank job. “I spoke the truth and I was penalised for it and my career was destroyed. But I stand by what I said,” said Umar in an interview with DNA years later. He added: “Honest and straight forward people can’t survive in Pakistan cricket which is perhaps the worst cricket system in the world. I spoke the truth and my career ended.”

Umar’s allegations were rather serious. “Use of drugs was common among many players and they used to transport these drugs in their kit bags,” he said. He accused Imran Khan (among others) for laundering drugs in their kits to UK. He also accused Viv Richards (no less) for taking drugs to “release tension and improve his stamina and endurance levels.”
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Qasim-Umar-Geosuper-YouTube-channel.jpg


If you are interested you can read more at http://www.cricketcountry.com/artic...-speak-against-match-fixing-in-cricket-100055
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
LOL poor you. We have dealers here in Islamabad/Lahore selling Absolut Vodka on spot. They deliver at your home. :afridi
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Yeah there was home delivery in KHI as well because all the mullahs didn't want to be seen walking with black bags in the middle of the street. In the UAE whenever we wanted to buy nice brands for home, since you couldn't go to bars for a nightcap everyday or if going to Umm Al Quwain or Ajman, the port cities whose whole infrastructure depended on alcohol sale (there even were trollies inside the liquor, I say "shops" but were more like malls) because it was around 110 kms away, we used to call the bootleggers and then go pick up the package but it used to be really icky because the guy used to hide the bottle in his pants in the groin area and it was also all hot due to heat and smelly due to his non existent hygienic ritual, but all that was forgotten after the first couple of sips.
 
Nostalgic said:
If you ever go to Islamabad, the diplomats' network could hook you up with the good stuff.

There's also diplomats' grade charas. Highly recommended.
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Sweet. I'll check it out next time I'm feeling adventurous and want to visit Pakistan.
 
PCP_1 said:
Yeah there was home delivery in KHI as well because all the mullahs didn't want to be seen walking with black bags in the middle of the street. In the UAE whenever we wanted to buy nice brands for home, since you couldn't go to bars for a nightcap everyday or if going to Umm Al Quwain or Ajman, the port cities whose whole infrastructure depended on alcohol sale (there even were trollies inside the liquor, I say "shops" but were more like malls) because it was around 110 kms away, we used to call the bootleggers and then go pick up the package but it used to be really icky because the guy used to hide the bottle in his pants in the groin area and it was also all hot due to heat and smelly due to his non existent hygienic ritual, but all that was forgotten after the first couple of sips.
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You have no idea how much of drunkards some mullahs are. There is some guy, a really fat mullah, i dont remember his name. He was drunk on national TV just recently. :)) Well, if you ask me. I absoultely despise the taste of vodka. Although its not for taste any way. Its the only liquior i have tasted. I am good with no sharab :usman
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A well-known Pakistani actor Adnan Siddiqui destroys bottles of alcohol seized by Pakistani authorities - the sale and distribution of liquor is illegal in the country except to non-Muslims - authorities routinely destroy bottles of seized liquor - sometimes using a bulldozer <a href="https://t.co/vPuC1qppWG">pic.twitter.com/vPuC1qppWG</a></p>— omar r quraishi (@omar_quraishi) <a href="https://twitter.com/omar_quraishi/status/1477932309424787456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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