Can Pakistan win it with a bonus point? [Did they?]

[sachin__]

If they do so...they might actually top the table

Might be curtains for Lankans as we might assume that Bangladesh are not going to win any though they might give a tough fight

 

[JibranAnsari]

Lol, we are chasing. I will even take a close win as a bonus.

 

[bmwduran]

Win first!

 

[sachin__]

Lol, we are chasing. I will even take a close win as a bonus.

i dont see a target in excess of 175...now that is easily gettable in 40 overs

 

[JibranAnsari]

too early to predict a total and the we have the ability to collapse chasing small totals.

 

[Bhaijaan]

A win would be enough, Bangladesh winning two games in a row and with a better net run rate is very unlikely. So don't do anything silly, just chase this down comfortably.

 

[sachin__]

My prediction of 175 target

 

[saeedhk]

Cant say,we are very poor chasers

 

[shehzadd]

Its too late now for bonus point. Why he did not let Ajmal bowl when SL were 4 down?
Stupid.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Let just try and win the game! forget anything else!

 

[bluffmasterv2]

its possible

 

[Justcrazy]

No need to chase bonus point, try and win the games , that is simple.

 

[JibranAnsari]

need to have run rate (3.78 *1.25 = 4.725 ) , LOL or more simply chase the total in 40 overs.

or probably in 37 overs if we cionsider the actual runrate of srilanka.

 

[Gattuso]

Very much doable ! The bowling and fielding did a great job - time for the batting to step in and make this into a perfect day.

 

[sachin__]

Mithai for me if they do it in 40 overs

 

[Shayan]

Just to clarify, we will be in the final if we win this game, irrespective of the bonus point.

 

[Blitz]

Just to clarify, we will be in the final if we win this game, irrespective of the bonus point.

Actually, if we win this, and lose to India.

...and Bangladesh beat India and Sri Lanka, and atleast get one bonus point in the process, we will be out

 

[Bhaijaan]

Just to clarify, we will be in the final if we win this game, irrespective of the bonus point.

If India wins on 18th march and Bangladesh beats both India and Sri Lanka, three teams will have 2 wins each.

 

[proud_pakistani]

If India wins on 18th march and Bangladesh beats both India and Sri Lanka, three teams will have 2 wins each.

Well if u get all technical..But Bangladesh isnt gonna beat both Lanka and India. At the most they could upset one of them.

 

[Shayan]

If India wins on 18th march and Bangladesh beats both India and Sri Lanka, three teams will have 2 wins each.

Well yes, sorry, I made an assumption.

 

[Zaz]

Our batting is doing its best to make this a close fought match

 

[sachin__]

Make a mishmash

 

[chuck]

Confusion over bonus point

Not that it matters since SL is out. Rule says that bonus point to be awarded to the team that achieves a run rate of 1.25 times that of the opposition. Today pakistan's RR was 4.74 and SL's RR was 3.76, a difference of less than 1. Both commentators and cricinfo say that Pak got bonus point. Am I missing something or have they got their calculation wrong?

Source for the rule below

http://www.espncricinfo.com/asia-cup-2012/engine/series/524504.html?view=pointstable

 

[sachin__]

BP victory it is

 

[ammarr]

Run rate of 1.25 _times_ i.e. 1.25x. 3.76 x 1.25 = 4.7

 

[Ironcat]

LOL. It's 1.25 times. 4.74/3.76 = 1.26.

 

[chuck]

My bad - 1.25 times not 1.25 difference. Lol

 

[ElRaja]

Not that it matters since SL is out. Rule says that bonus point to be awarded to the team that achieves a run rate of 1.25 times that of the opposition. Today pakistan's RR was 4.74 and SL's RR was 3.76, a difference of less than 1. Both commentators and cricinfo say that Pak got bonus point. Am I missing something or have they got their calculation wrong?

Source for the rule below

http://www.espncricinfo.com/asia-cup-2012/engine/series/524504.html?view=pointstable

its the relative proportion of the run rates (higher divided by lower), not the difference.

 

[in_cutter]

@ESPNcricinfo: Pakistan are not actually yet in the final as Neo have announced. India-Bang final is still possible #asiacup

??

 

[chuck]

Yep, got it. They came pretty close to conceding bonus point in India game as well then (1.08). They have been extremely poor in this Asia cup.

 

[shan]

CricIndia shows his true colours again. lol

 

[chuck]

??

A big IF. If Ban defeats India and SL + India defeats Pak. All of them will have 2 wins each and then it will be down to NRR.

 

[Ironcat]

??

Yes, if Bangladesh beat India and SL with a bonus point in each or at least one, and India beat Pakistan with a bonus point...

 

[sachin__]

Teams Mat Won Lost Tied N/R Pts Net RR For Against
Pakistan 2 2 0 0 0 9 +0.730 451/89.5 429/100.0
India 1 1 0 0 0 4 +1.000 304/50.0 254/50.0
Bangladesh 1 0 1 0 0 0 -0.420 241/50.0 262/50.0
Sri Lanka 2 0 2 0 0 0 -1.068 442/100.0 493/89.5
Points by match:
Result Date Team Pts Team Pts
11 Mar 2012
Pakistan 4
Bangladesh 0 Table | Match
13 Mar 2012
India 4
Sri Lanka 0 Table | Match
15 Mar 2012
Pakistan 5
Sri Lanka 0 Table | Match

 

[12cavalry]

Amir saying we got the BP.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Well done yar

 

[iHammad]

Yeah we did.

SL's 188/50 = 3.76

3.76 X 1.25 = 4.7

189/4.7 = 40.1 overs

It was close, but we did it

 

[Amoeba]

Yeah we did.

SL's 188/50 = 3.76

3.76 X 1.25 = 4.7

189/4.7 = 40.1 overs

It was close, but we did it

More simply put for us oldies - don't you just have to score the target within 40 overs batting second?

Anway it won't make any difference - we are through to the final !

 

[Afridirocks]

it really doesnt matter if you top the group or not, tjhere is no prize for topping the group lol

 

[Saqs]

More simply put for us oldies - don't you just have to score the target within 40 overs batting second?

Anway it won't make any difference - we are through to the final !

Yeah. Bonus points are based on an 80% rule.

 

[starchild]

Yes, if Bangladesh beat India and SL with a bonus point in each or at least one, and India beat Pakistan with a bonus point...

Actually, I just realised that NRR isn't that important anymore.

In the event of teams finishing on equal points, the right to play in the final match or series will be determined as follows:

The team with the most number of wins
If still equal, the team with the most number of wins over the other team(s) who are equal on points and have the same number of wins
If still equal, the team with the highest number of bonus points
If still equal, the team with the highest net run rate

This means that for India and Bangladesh to qualify, Bangladesh would need to win BOTH India and SL with a bonus point and hope Pakistan loses to India.

If Bangladesh only gets 1 bonus point, it will tie with Pakistan on points and as Pakistan beat Bangladesh, Pakistan would qualify.

 

[Ironcat]

Actually, I just realised that NRR isn't that important anymore.



This means that for India and Bangladesh to qualify, Bangladesh would need to win BOTH India and SL with a bonus point and hope Pakistan loses to India.

If Bangladesh only gets 1 bonus point, it will tie with Pakistan on points and as Pakistan beat Bangladesh, Pakistan would qualify.

That's true, but India would also have to beat Pakistan with a bonus point. Just beating Pakistan won't work - the rules you quote are for teams finishing with the same number of points.

 

[gazza619]

I wonder if the bonus point rule would have made a fairer contest in this WC.

 

[aloo paratha]

I wonder if the bonus point rule would have made a fairer contest in this WC.

It would only make it harder for other teams who were effected by rain.