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Cheteshwar Pujara Discussion Thread

pun500 said:
ever heard the words "padmakar shivalkar" google him up ...Badri has done well domestically but age is not on his side ..his bad luck. Talking about avgs I am sure rahane avgs more than badri in domestic so it is not like we are giving chance to a poor player.

Badri had his decent go when ganguly retired and blew it. Sure he is still good but at 32 is not the future. This is the national team and not some retirement benefit plan where you get plum posting for yeoman years of service
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I agree that Badri is old and is not the future but calling 2 tests and 7 ODI's as "decent go" is ridiculous. Rohit Sharma averaged 18 in his first 6 or 7 ODI's but managed to play 84 games in the name of "TALENT". I agree with you about Badri's age not being on his side but saying that he got a decent go is laughable.
 
giri26 said:
I agree that Badri is old and is not the future but calling 2 tests and 7 ODI's as "decent go" is ridiculous. Rohit Sharma averaged 18 in his first 6 or 7 ODI's but managed to play 84 games in the name of "TALENT". I agree with you about Badri's age not being on his side but saying that he got a decent go is laughable.
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This is what I too keep hearing from many Indian fans. Badrinath never got any chances - two tests and seven ODIs scattered over four years can hardly be described as a "decent go". He never got five matches on a trot, ODI and tests combined.

Did he fail big time? Let us take test matches - he played just three innings against South Africa. He made a solid 56 at Nagpur, a match in which Sehwag was the only other contributor, Badri and Sehwag shared a stand of 140 odd in an Indian total of just 233. In the second innings, nobody other than Tendulkar made a big impact and India lost heavily by an innings and 6 runs. His second test was at kolkota in a high scoring game ( six centuries were scored in this test), where he walked in at 4/335 and got out for 1 ( a match where even Mishra made 28), and this was the only opportunity he actually wasted.

In ODIs, he got a slightly fairer deal but he is not the kind of batsman who would be suited for the ODIs, he never scored fast in any of those matches - he struggled for momentum. His best S/R in any ODI match is 57. And all these ODI matches were played away and against the likes of Roach, so there was no time to settle down. Anyway he would have never made into the ODI team, he is more in the test mould.

So it is not clear to me why people think he got a "decent go". He missed one chance in a high scoring game and did got get a chance again. If the same standards of not making use of opportunities were applied to Raina and Rohit, they would be no where near the team now.
 
Pujara

Pujara looks a good test player.playing swan well on this track which has turn and bounce for spinner.
 
On 98, hopefully will get those 2 runs soon tomorrow and get his 2nd hundred. :)
 
Best among current young batsmen. Kohli is excellent in odi and t20. Needs experience in tests. Pujara should play tests only. I see him averaging 50+ after 70 odd tests.
 
Always maintained that India has found a replacement for RD.

Looking forward to see who fills up for VVS & SRT when he finally goes.

Well played, Che Pujara
 
He was a walking wicket in SA test series. Will be an average player outside SC.
 
His 10-20 or whatever he scored in Durban came by top edges.
Also one shouldn't rate a batsman by his stonewalled innings of 15 runs in 60 balls, even likes of Shastri and Manjereker will good then.
 
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kungfu90 said:
His 10-20 or whatever he scored in Durban came by top edges.
Also one shouldn't rate a batsman by his stonewalled innings of 15 runs in 60 balls, even likes of Shastri and Manjereker will good then.
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Whole SA team was bundled out of 100+ in first inning and most of the batsmen struggled to score runs in that match.
 
Look at that, a player with an excellent first-class record (averages 53) being given a run in the test side and showing what he's capable of, and he already has a top score of 150+......

If only Pakistan had a batsman like that......






fawad+alam.bmp
 
Kid's already scored a big ton against us, this isn't his breakthrough innings technically.
 
just imagine how jealous other countries seeing how India produce great batsmen day by day :akhtar
 
musaarthali said:
just imagine how jealous other countries seeing how India produce great batsmen day by day :akhtar
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Personally I think we are producing very good batsmen - the issue is whether or not the deserving ones are given a chance at test level.

Fawad is a prime example of a player that could be as good as any current young Indian player, but the selectors are to blame for ignoring him.
 
musaarthali said:
just imagine how jealous other countries seeing how India produce great batsmen day by day :akhtar
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No ones jealous really. Should focus really on your own country.

I could say the same and I will.. Just imagine how jealous other countries are(especially India) seeing how Pakistan produces great bowlers day by day.. even when we are at our lowest in terms of producing bowlers we still are producing better bowlers than your best :)

& congrats to Pujara. Really played a magnificent knock today even though it may have been on a flat deck.. he's played well and he deserves a ton.
 
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Bullet Drive said:
No ones jealous really. Should focus really on your own country.

I could say the same and I will.. Just imagine how jealous other countries are(especially India) seeing how Pakistan produces great bowlers day by day.. even when we are at our lowest in terms of producing bowlers we still are producing better bowlers than your best :)

& congrats to Pujara. Really played a magnificent knock today even though it may have been on a flat deck.. he's played well and he deserves a ton.
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old story..currently Indian fast bowlers are better
 
Pujara should have gotten call ahead of Raina btw. It was indeed at least a year late call for Pujara. But then sadly he got injured.
 
musaarthali said:
old story..currently Indian fast bowlers are better
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Are you being serious?

Your telling me that Ishant, Varun, Dinda(who is good), Zaheer & Yadav are better than:

Umar Gul, Junaid Khan, Wahab Riaz, Tanvir Ahmed, Cheema & Sohail Tanvir?

I actually think Sohail Tanvir is a better bowler than all of the Indians bar Zaheer and possibly Yadav.

Pakistan are producing some quality young fast bowlers e.g. Ehsan Adil & Zia-ul-Haq.. how often do you hear this about India?

I look at all the Indian domestic scorecards and I rarely see a quick bowler doing damage and taking wickets and when they do(which is rare) they are ALL listed as medium pacers.
 
cricketworm said:
Pujara should have gotten call ahead of Raina btw. It was indeed at least a year late call for Pujara. But then sadly he got injured.
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he was Injured i guess after scoring multiple 300's in a year and Raina was in great form in limited overs at that time

anyway he is young so better late than never
 
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Bullet Drive said:
Are you being serious?

Your telling me that Ishant, Varun, Dinda(who is good), Zaheer & Yadav are better than:

Umar Gul, Junaid Khan, Wahab Riaz, Tanvir Ahmed, Cheema & Sohail Tanvir?

I actually think Sohail Tanvir is a better bowler than all of the Indians bar Zaheer and possibly Yadav.

Pakistan are producing some quality young fast bowlers e.g. Ehsan Adil & Zia-ul-Haq.. how often do you hear this about India?

I look at all the Indian domestic scorecards and I rarely see a quick bowler doing damage and taking wickets and when they do(which is rare) they are ALL listed as medium pacers.
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except Junaid everyone else have bad reputation in PP :))
 
musaarthali said:
he was Injured i guess after scoring multiple 300's in a year and Raina was in great form in limited overs at that time

anyway he is young so better late than never
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In a way it's perfect time for Pujara to come in! Dravid got his due chances and it was his time to hang up the boots. Enter Pujara.

Rahane is next.
 
IndianWillow said:
This is what I too keep hearing from many Indian fans. Badrinath never got any chances - two tests and seven ODIs scattered over four years can hardly be described as a "decent go". He never got five matches on a trot, ODI and tests combined.

Did he fail big time? Let us take test matches - he played just three innings against South Africa. He made a solid 56 at Nagpur, a match in which Sehwag was the only other contributor, Badri and Sehwag shared a stand of 140 odd in an Indian total of just 233. In the second innings, nobody other than Tendulkar made a big impact and India lost heavily by an innings and 6 runs. His second test was at kolkota in a high scoring game ( six centuries were scored in this test), where he walked in at 4/335 and got out for 1 ( a match where even Mishra made 28), and this was the only opportunity he actually wasted.

In ODIs, he got a slightly fairer deal but he is not the kind of batsman who would be suited for the ODIs, he never scored fast in any of those matches - he struggled for momentum. His best S/R in any ODI match is 57. And all these ODI matches were played away and against the likes of Roach, so there was no time to settle down. Anyway he would have never made into the ODI team, he is more in the test mould.

So it is not clear to me why people think he got a "decent go". He missed one chance in a high scoring game and did got get a chance again. If the same standards of not making use of opportunities were applied to Raina and Rohit, they would be no where near the team now.
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Badris is over 32.
I watched him many time. he is good player but not good enough to face the international bowlers. And specially outside subcontinent he will be a lull...

If you really are serious about another newbie, Then Rahane is the choice. But I think MSD love his CSK team mates too much....
 
Bullet Drive said:
Are you being serious?

Your telling me that Ishant, Varun, Dinda(who is good), Zaheer & Yadav are better than:

Umar Gul, Junaid Khan, Wahab Riaz, Tanvir Ahmed, Cheema & Sohail Tanvir?

I actually think Sohail Tanvir is a better bowler than all of the Indians bar Zaheer and possibly Yadav.

Pakistan are producing some quality young fast bowlers e.g. Ehsan Adil & Zia-ul-Haq.. how often do you hear this about India?

I look at all the Indian domestic scorecards and I rarely see a quick bowler doing damage and taking wickets and when they do(which is rare) they are ALL listed as medium pacers.
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but in all seriousness, barring :ajmal, Paksitan's bowling is as good as ours!
 
talha3 said:
Looks a great test prospect. India have found a replacement for Laxman.
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More than Laxman, he will be the perfect replacement for Dravid. I know people won't agree that we will ever see a Dravid again, but the kid has temperament/ technique as close to the wall as possible . He is good in playing the short stuff too. Only needs a few performances in Aus/SA/Eng and he will be a genuine good batsman.
 
musaarthali said:
time to change your signature :)
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Fab 7 will always remain fabulous for me. :) I will just have to add players in the list.

MSD is next on the list. He just needs to put India back to top test team or win something major in shorter format once again. Or just playing the way he has been in Odis for next few series, then he is there.
 
Pujara is just too good for tests. Tomorrow he gets another century. He is worthy of becoming India test captain as Dhoni is not suitable for captaincy anymore.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Are you being serious?

Your telling me that Ishant, Varun, Dinda(who is good), Zaheer & Yadav are better than:

Umar Gul, Junaid Khan, Wahab Riaz, Tanvir Ahmed, Cheema & Sohail Tanvir?

I actually think Sohail Tanvir is a better bowler than all of the Indians bar Zaheer and possibly Yadav.

Pakistan are producing some quality young fast bowlers e.g. Ehsan Adil & Zia-ul-Haq.. how often do you hear this about India?

I look at all the Indian domestic scorecards and I rarely see a quick bowler doing damage and taking wickets and when they do(which is rare) they are ALL listed as medium pacers.
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How many test wickets for Sohail Tanvir Riaz and Cheema?
 
He has class in his strokes but that failure in SA tour will probably still hold back peoples opinion on him.
 
He barely played tests in SA, people just need to be patient. Pujara should be given at least 30 tests, it's worth it.
 
Bullet Drive said:
How many wickets has Harbajhan got? Amount of test wickets isn't the way to judge a bowler..
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LoL if Amount of wickets isnt the way to judge then what is?The mythical talent that so many players on PP seem to have.LoLfer.No. of wickets are the way to judge bowlers before you start digging deeper into avgs or S/Rs.You cannot compare a bowler with 150 wickets with someone having 400 wickets.

Gul is good bowler but Zaheer is way better.Wont pass comment on Junaid Khan or Yadav as they are yet to take even 50 test wickets.
 
cricketjoshila said:
LoL if Amount of wickets isnt the way to judge then what is?The mythical talent that so many players on PP seem to have.LoLfer.No. of wickets are the way to judge bowlers before you start digging deeper into avgs or S/Rs.You cannot compare a bowler with 150 wickets with someone having 400 wickets.

Gul is good bowler but Zaheer is way better.Wont pass comment on Junaid Khan or Yadav as they are yet to take even 50 test wickets.
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Is Harbajhan Singh a better bowler than Waqar Younis?
 
Bullet Drive said:
Is Harbajhan Singh a better bowler than Waqar Younis?
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Waqar has 375 wickets and Bhajji 406.Thats hardly much difference between their wickets tally.But Waqar has far better Avg and SR.

The problem is if you start comparing Bond to Waqar and say Bond is better as his avg and SR are better than Waqar.Same if you compare Asif to Kapil and say Asif is better as his Avg and SR are better.

Before you compare a batsman or a bowler with another one you have to see if the no. of wickets or the no. of runs are comparable or not.
 
Exactly..this is the problem i have with the stats comparison...they put a minimum qualification of say x wickets or y runs...but compare someone who took 400 wkts using same stats as someone with 100 wkts..or someone with 150 tests same as someone with 30 tests...how to measure longetivity and consistency. .. Stats are inherently handicapped and flawed..or at least the way they are used...
 
Another 150, both his hundreds have been big ones. Nice habit. :D
 
I hope he registers the double here. Truly an outstanding effort.
 
He seems to have good temperament long playing long innings. Plays within himself and does not try to manufacture scoring opportunities. Simply waits for lose balls otherwise happy to keep taking singles.
 
All said and done, I'm probably the only one who thinks he's a touch too "boring" to watch.

And no, I didn't find Dravid boring.
 
Marshland said:
All said and done, I'm probably the only one who thinks he's a touch too "boring" to watch.

And no, I didn't find Dravid boring.
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Azhar Ali, Che Pujara...these are the guys test cricket needs! No matter even if they are boring, they are the ones who carry the tradition along..
 
Marshland said:
All said and done, I'm probably the only one who thinks he's a touch too "boring" to watch.

And no, I didn't find Dravid boring.
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this is slow track ...dravid always looked boring on tracks like these his most good lookings innings came in australia im sure many of u will agree...
even amla looks so much fluent on faster tracks he started in india like this only
anyway i will take boring if u can score 200 against proper test sides :)
 
Now there should be a healthy competition between Kohli and Pujara in test team.

If I can imagine the character Kohli is, he would be dreaming to play an innings like this. Hope he does too. We need these two in the middle order badly.
 
Garuda said:
Now there should be a healthy competition between Kohli and Pujara in test team.

If I can imagine the character Kohli is, he would be dreaming to play an innings like this. Hope he does too. We need these two in the middle order badly.
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spot on...he will be dying to play good innigns now
bad news for england lol
 
Garuda said:
Now there should be a healthy competition between Kohli and Pujara in test team.

If I can imagine the character Kohli is, he would be dreaming to play an innings like this. Hope he does too. We need these two in the middle order badly.
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It would have been great if we could fit in one more youngster in this team for the competition.
 
Fantastic performance from Pujara - great to see another quality test batsman being produced by India.
 
It will come down when he gets out in the next innings.

On the flipside, he doesn't play any aerial shots, almost zero risk cricket. Would like to see how he manges an innings when he has to bat with tail enders (or) situations where quick runs or needed.
 
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Scoring a double ton early in career should do his confidence the world of good, seems a pretty decent player, i guess he will be tested alot more in games away from asia.
 
Man can only score against the oppo that he is playing against...

Not really his fault that with the exception of Swann, rest of them were just a notch above the net bowlers :D
 
Indians are very harsh sometimes on youngsters. Dude scored a freaking double ton in just his 6th test and he won't be "rated". As if scoring a double ton is child's play. Sure he will be tested on tougher terrains, but how about some applause for the kid who seemed immovable from the crease versus an unfamiliar bowling attack?
 
not only that,itsn ot like he is flashy player who gave lot of chances he is compact player with good technique im sure he will love more pace on ball..and he plays swing well he showed that a level cricket
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
It will come down when he gets out in the next innings.

On teh flipside, he doesn't play any aerial shots, almost zero risk cricket. Would like to see how he manges an innings when he has to bat will tail enders (or) situations where quick runs or needed.
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he won one match in west indies a on his own with shami ahmed batting (who is tail ender )
there was even a cartoon on cricinfo joking about how we found laxman and not dravid :P
 
He play the ball late and he is a backfoot player. With this back foot technique, he is bound to do well on bouncy tracks. He is the real deal. Needs to work on his strike rate tho.
 
What an effort, take a bow ! :14: Hopefully he will continue scoring these runs outside India as well in the countries where it matters a lot. A certain Wasim Jaffer's smoking double against Akhtar and co comes to mind. He couldn't help himself outside India with all the class. Hopefully Che will be better. :)
 
Superb innings, i genuinely like him and I'm glad that he is living up to expectation, on the right path to be a potential great
 
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