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Congress obviously.My party? Which party is that?
How many years did Nehru serve in a proper jail?

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Congress obviously.My party? Which party is that?
How many years did Nehru serve in a proper jail?
Since I'm a devout and tolerant hindu unlike some of the bigots on this thread, I think I'm qualified to reply.Question to tolerant and moderate Hindus.
How does it feel Indian being taken over by repressive, racist, bigoted ideology? I’m sure ordinary Muslims of Indian would be scared to criticize but how does one feel to see that your nation is repressing at alarming rate by the hands of ignorant radicalized religious extremists?
Don't bother replying, he is brainwashed beyond what you can comprehend...Congress obviously.
So there are proper jails and improper jails now.
Think the logic that BJP has behind this is, there are many islamic countries in the world. So if muslims are butchered in certain countries like you mentioned, they can always claim refuge in some Arabic or muslim brotherhood countries. But hindus, Sikhs, Jains & Parsees have no where else to go. Hence India may willing to give them refuge.
Now you may argue, why Christians are allowed then...since there are so many Christian countries? The thing is, Indian christians are all (except anglos) are converts. Hence most Indian christian have a middle hindu name. Catholic countries will not give them refuge and may face racial prolification. Also, the fact that converted christians of India never asked for a seperate country like converted muslims did, this law is inclusive of them.
However I get that they need to have their own idols awarded Bharat Ratna. Which was why event manager awarded one to AB who didn't deserve it one bit just like Rajiv Gandhi.
True. This guy sees nothing beyond politics and his insatiable lust to stay in power. For his lust, he won't hesitate to make his nonagenarian mother to stand in ATM queues. Such a beghairat this guy is.Personally I kind of liked Vajpayee as PM. But that's just personal taste.
The more important thing is why Modi gave him the Bharat Ratna. Vajpayee was extremely unwell by then and had no active role in politics anymore. It was mostly done to spite Advani and relegate him further down the pecking order. The reality is, Vajpayee wanted Modi out of the party after the riots in Gujarat. Advani was on the fence and consulted with Bal Thackeray who gave him the push to retain Modi.
Modi must rank as one of the most ungrateful humans to walk this land. But as a proud Hindu that he claims to be, I'm sure he inadvertently believes in karma and his time will come. We just need to stay alive to see that day![]()
Event manager has always such a punchable face...
Modi's face)
Congress obviously.
So there are proper jails and improper jails now.
There are Muslims, Christians, Buddhists and Jains in India who have been following their religion long before the forefathers of current Hindus were 'converted' or 'assimilated' into Hinduism.
Don't conflate spiritual philosophies that have existed in India for thousands of years with Hinduism. The BJP ******* like to do this because it makes them look cool and washes away the dirt that exists within Hinduism.
The revolutionary ones like Savarkar or others were considered hardcore and not amenable to negotiations. They were kept in hard conditions.
Therefore if the government in their manifold beneficence and mercy release me, I for one cannot but be the staunchest advocate of constitutional progress and loyalty to the English government which is the foremost condition of that progress.
Moreover my conversion to the constitutional line would bring back all those misled young men in India and abroad who were once looking up to me as their guide. I am ready to serve the Government in any capacity they like, for as my conversion is conscientious so I hope my future conduct would be. By keeping me in jail nothing can be got in comparison to what would be otherwise.
The Mighty alone can afford to be merciful and therefore where else can the prodigal son return but to the parental doors of the Government?
Hindus existed in India long before muslims christians buddhists or muslims.
Trying to portray hinduism as a new religion will not change the facts.
Gandhi and Nehru didn't participate in killing government officials. Savarkar had organized and sent the pistols which were used to kill a British official.
Hardcore dude indeed)
Yeah. All the tribals and rural poor Hindu Indians with their local Gods have been following Gupta Empire Hinduism for thousands of years![]()
Have you been afflicted by the emoji posting disease of trolls or is it the shock of Karnataka bypolls?
[MENTION=149353]Joshila[/MENTION],
Kerala has a big Bangladeshi problem, a lot of them come there to find job, only issue is that jobs they are doing are, robbery, murder, kidnapping etc.... My god we need to get rid of these Bangladeshi ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!
1. Yes the likes of Savarkar or Bhagat Singh or Azad etc all participated in the killing of British police officers thats why they were punished harshly. They were not goody goody and willing to compromise like Nehru.
2. Hardcore thats why he was sent to Kaalapaani for two life terms. He was only released after 10 years and it was the HMS which wanted Savarkar to be back to organise the hindus as a unit againist the INC. Even after his release from Andaman in 1921, he was kept in Ratnagiri and was only allowed out after 1937. He was arrested in 1911.
3. Gupta empire Hinduism? Lolfer. You really need to read up. Rig veda was written around 1500BC.
I know you have trouble accepting Hinduism, but thats not going to change the facts.
Btw tribals in India still have their local gods and customs. Try visiting Odisha sometimes.
Have you been afflicted by the emoji posting disease of trolls or is it the shock of Karnataka bypolls?
Since I'm a devout and tolerant hindu unlike some of the bigots on this thread, I think I'm qualified to reply.
Believe me, it pains me and people of my ilk no end to see the kind of selective persecution going on under these 2 bigots. It makes us so sad to see India being shredded to pieces due to religious mypoia of these 2 who can't see anything beyond Hindu-Muslim.
The rate at which these 2 good for nothing gujjus have taken India down the drain is way higher than deeds of all our foreign invaders combined. At least some of them were good in one way or the other for us.
If someone 30-40 years down the line starts to write about misdeeds of these 2, I think these 2 and their billion-strong troll army will be painted in extremely poor light.
There are Muslims, Christians, Buddhists and Jains in India who have been following their religion long before the forefathers of current Hindus were 'converted' or 'assimilated' into Hinduism.
Don't conflate spiritual philosophies that have existed in India for thousands of years with Hinduism. The BJP ******* like to do this because it makes them look cool and washes away the dirt that exists within Hinduism.
What muslims Or Christians living in India before hinduism. Islam is hardly 1400 years old religion if I am not wrong .
Are they Bangladeshi Muslims or Hindus?
So those who are not agreeing with your opinion are not tolerant. You decided you are tolerant . Lolz we are loving it. Just when I start hating uneducated BJP ministers, but watching the sickulars comments it makes me love with the BJP once again.
Why would muslims from Pakistan , Bangladesh etc be allowed illegally in India. Then what was the need for partition. It was on the basis of religion then only hindus would have been allowed from Pakistan and Bangladesh. But here India allowing sikhs, budhishts, hindus every other religion. So how it is not secular.
Infact BJP is giving tribute to Mr jinnah logically by implementing this bill.
Sickulars should have brain to understand the logic.
Pakistanis well if Pakistan is for muslims then obviously they are in no position to comment on India.
So does this mean that carving up and giving away sections of the holy motherland of India is approved by both Jinnah and Hindu hardliners? Then why not get rid of Kashmir on the same basis?
Hmmm...if you are looking at verses in the Quran as being the problem, then surely even resident Indian Muslims present the majority Hindus a dilemma. Immigrants are the least of your problem.
sorry i agree with [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] on this one.
Gandhi and Nehru were naive fools who made a complete mess of first the congress in the 20-30's and then the negotiation with Jinnah.
Shahsi Tharoor lives in cloud cuckoo land. The reality on the ground is very different. Also to any Muslim wnating to migrate to india well I would question why you would want to do that in the first place..If I was fleeing say Syria or burma I would look to move to a muslim country first. yes our fathers and grandfathers moved to the west no doubt but that was due to economic migration and legally. Not illegally or as refugees.
In a way it is better for India that it comes to terms with its identity. Nehru and gandhi gave it a confused identity that just wasnt going to work.
Jinnah knew this. He understood things very clearly. Perhaps now Pakistan and India can at some point negotiate a genuine peace in the future where both are confident in their identities.
Nehru and his cronies messed up. Thats why the congress tries to act as if the partition never happened.
Then Nehru committee another blunder, the Nehru Liaquat pact. Likes of Ambedkar, Mookerjee etc quit the Nehru cabinet in protest.
Tharoor talked in one language before 2014, now talks in another.
The identity is not confused, the implementation is.
Just because you are espousing the hateful ideology of these 2 communal pests means you promote their brand of hate politics, carry on. Current atmosphere is congenial for such pests...So those who are not agreeing with your opinion are not tolerant. You decided you are tolerant . Lolz we are loving it. Just when I start hating uneducated BJP ministers, but watching the sickulars comments it makes me love with the BJP once again.
Why would muslims from Pakistan , Bangladesh etc be allowed illegally in India. Then what was the need for partition. It was on the basis of religion then only hindus would have been allowed from Pakistan and Bangladesh. But here India allowing sikhs, budhishts, hindus every other religion. So how it is not secular.
Infact BJP is giving tribute to Mr jinnah logically by implementing this bill.
Sickulars should have brain to understand the logic.
Pakistanis well if Pakistan is for muslims then obviously they are in no position to comment on India.
This is nothing for mota Bhai and event manager. They have led far destructive riots.<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Protests break out in parts of capital <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Guwahati?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Guwahati</a>. Police fire tea gas shells to disperse the protestors. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CitizenshipAmmendmentBill2019?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CitizenshipAmmendmentBill2019</a> <a href="https://t.co/2schaqTv0O">pic.twitter.com/2schaqTv0O</a></p>— Ahmer Khan (@ahmermkhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/ahmermkhan/status/1204681417096974337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A temporary stage and a billiboard meant for Modi-Abe meet burnt down by protestors in Guwahati, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Assam?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Assam</a>. Massive clashes underway. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CitizenshipAmmendmentBill2019?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CitizenshipAmmendmentBill2019</a> <a href="https://t.co/rhpMwHbNva">pic.twitter.com/rhpMwHbNva</a></p>— Ahmer Khan (@ahmermkhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/ahmermkhan/status/1204690889081147392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Assam police disperse protesters with water cannon and tear gas shells outside the state secretariat in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Guwahati?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Guwahati</a>.<br><br>Photo Ahmer Khan. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CitizenshipAmmendmentBill2019?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CitizenshipAmmendmentBill2019</a> <a href="https://t.co/59ODerCCnA">pic.twitter.com/59ODerCCnA</a></p>— Ahmer Khan (@ahmermkhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/ahmermkhan/status/1204697477758124032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Happening right now outside Assam secretariat. Massive shelling on protestors in Guwahati.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CitizenshipAmmendmentBill2019?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CitizenshipAmmendmentBill2019</a> <a href="https://t.co/CTc2Flmvc2">pic.twitter.com/CTc2Flmvc2</a></p>— Ahmer Khan (@ahmermkhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/ahmermkhan/status/1204710339717189632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Just because you are espousing the hateful ideology of these 2 communal pests means you promote their brand of hate politics, carry on. Current atmosphere is congenial for such pests...
I heard a few names of Bangladeshis called: Nazar, Mohammad, Abdullah etc being busted for horrendous crimes. However I am sure there are plenty of Hindu Bangladeshi migrants involved in these type of crimes as well. I don't care, I want all Bangladeshi's that are in India Illegally to be grabbed by the collar and thrown out of the country..
This bill doesn't include Indian Muslims. So no kashmir.
I heard a few names of Bangladeshis called: Nazar, Mohammad, Abdullah etc being busted for horrendous crimes. However I am sure there are plenty of Hindu Bangladeshi migrants involved in these type of crimes as well.
That's a very aggressive choice of words. Makes you sound like a thug. Hope you don't use this type of macho language with your Catholic colleaguesI don't care, I want all Bangladeshi's that are in India Illegally to be grabbed by the collar and thrown out of the country..
I'm not about to educate you again. Read through this thread and do your own research on your religion. Or do something more productive like eating a mango.What muslims Or Christians living in India before hinduism. Islam is hardly 1400 years old religion if I am not wrong .
Maybe time to watch a rerun of the mobie Jurassic Park and learn more of history.These Congressi trolls can alter the history of their own religion for point scoring. Just laugh and mobe on.
Even Arnab has called em out and called it "Nagpur Appeasment" and focus on Bengal elections, this is as blatant as he can go against his masters.
Even Arnab has called em out and called it "Nagpur Appeasment" and focus on Bengal elections, this is as blatant as he can go against his masters.
What happened to this loser. It was bad enough when he called himself a journalist at the start. The rest of the video doesn't make any sense as he takes a personal position on this as an Assamese. Who the hell does he think he is giving gyan as and when he chooses.
With Rajeev Chandrasekaran owning this lapdog, not sure if this isn't a reflection of the cracks in the party![]()
Really pillion, its sad that you have become so anti modi and in your love for your community party that you hate everything they are doing.
Cracks in bjp. They are firmly behind Modi and Shah.
Really pillion, its sad that you have become so anti modi and in your love for your community party that you hate everything they are doing.
Yes they are far from perfect, but they are far better than the Sickulars and Italian party.
Belong to no party. I am a nationalist.
Have you been to the Cellular Jail at Port Blair?
Have you been to the Ahmednagar fort prison?
Have been to both places. The cells of both Savarkar and Nehru are preserved as it is.
There is hell and heaven difference.
The congress leaders like Nehru Gandhi were all treated as political prisoners. They had a comfortable room in their prison, with beds tables mattresses, books, newspapers etc. They were considered to be amenable to negotiations.
The revolutionary ones like Savarkar or others were considered hardcore and not amenable to negotiations. They were kept in hard conditions.
You have gone so much on the right that its not even funny, I can understand your hatred for Nehru which is fair but when you talk about “Revolutionary” Savarkar you make him sound like Bhaghat Singh or Netaji is just sad.
Veer Savarkar was better than both Bhagat Singh ( terrorist ) and Subhash Bose ( Nazi ally ).
Ofcourse the man who didn’t support quit India and wanted Hindus to fight WW for Britain , such patriot!
Ofcourse the man who didn’t support quit India and wanted Hindus to fight WW for Britain , such patriot!
Not to forget allying with Muslim League..
What do you call Mohandas then, who went on recruiting indians to fight for the british in the world war?
so the muslim league and Q-e-A are villains for you?
Along same lines as Hindutva parties absolute dislike for them.
Have mentioned multiple times my dislike for Muslim League and Hindu Mahasabha and similarities between them as well.
Read more about Q-e-A. Why was he called the ambassador of hindu muslim unity by congress leaders? Many brainwashed indians think that he created rift between hindus and muslims with his TNT, and that these communities were living in harmony before that. If his 14 point demands were met india would be in a better place. Difference between Q-e-A and Babasaheb was that he had single minded dedication to achieve his goals, while babasaheb was forced to compromise and succumb to mohandas tantrums, otherwise not only muslims, but dalits and every other community would be living with dignity at present.
Read more about Q-e-A. Why was he called the ambassador of hindu muslim unity by congress leaders? Many brainwashed indians think that he created rift between hindus and muslims with his TNT, and that these communities were living in harmony before that. If his 14 point demands were met india would be in a better place. Difference between Q-e-A and Babasaheb was that he had single minded dedication to achieve his goals, while babasaheb was forced to compromise and succumb to mohandas tantrums, otherwise not only muslims, but dalits and every other community would be living with dignity at present.
But I prefer to learn my history from Attenborough's Gandhi.
You have gone so much on the right that its not even funny, I can understand your hatred for Nehru which is fair but when you talk about “Revolutionary” Savarkar you make him sound like Bhaghat Singh or Netaji is just sad.
To those who like to use Modi-Shah as an excuse to paint all Indian Hindus as a nasty bunch, have a look at what's going on in Assam and other states. That's cultural unity. Above religion. Something you find hard to comprehend, perhaps![]()
Savarkar was no Bhagat Singh, certainly nowhere near my hero Netaji Bose. But he was a nationalist and much Bette than Nehru.
Bose too didnot get along with Nehru. Nor did Sardar. Did you wonder why?
3 days passed but barkha and co can't tweet and bash BJP/RSS or their Govt and this bill without mentioning Pakistan or Jinnah in their tweets. For example she is retweeting her Washing Post artcle daily with keywords Jinnah and Pakistan.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ripping open the wounds of partition, creating a hierarchy of religions, an absolute mess in the north east and reaffirming Pakistan's two nation theory. Where we are. My take on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CABBill?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CABBill</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NRC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NRC</a> in <a href="https://twitter.com/washingtonpost?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@washingtonpost</a> <a href="https://t.co/DoXKP4WH49">https://t.co/DoXKP4WH49</a></p>— barkha dutt (@BDUTT) <a href="https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/1204802867623645184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Why Jinnah must be smiling from his grave. The day India cast itself In Pakistan's image. My take on the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CABBill?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CABBill</a> and the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NRC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NRC</a> in <a href="https://twitter.com/washingtonpost?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@washingtonpost</a> <a href="https://t.co/DoXKP4WH49">https://t.co/DoXKP4WH49</a></p>— barkha dutt (@BDUTT) <a href="https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/1204389738288795648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">India has just cast itself in Pakistan's image. <br>My take on the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CitizenshipBill?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CitizenshipBill</a> in <a href="https://twitter.com/washingtonpost?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@washingtonpost</a> <a href="https://t.co/DoXKP4WH49">https://t.co/DoXKP4WH49</a></p>— barkha dutt (@BDUTT) <a href="https://twitter.com/BDUTT/status/1204231498263453698?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
stop mocking me bro , I wish Attenborough narrated it though
Haha. No. Wasn't mocking you. Rather trying to irritate Mr Cartoons who seems like someone who likes his books and holds those that don't in contempt.
Actually, my first foray into reading Indian history apart from school syllabus was trying to get a copy of Nehru's Discovery of India. Wasn't available here, so went to Landmark during a trip to Chennai. They didn't have it too. Gave a lofty speech to my friends how we didn't value our country and intellectuals. A decade laterthe irony of it all now.
Would love to read Modi's version of Indian politics and history someday, based on the extensive research while compiling his Masters in Entire Political Science.
.... where Savarkar is a revolutionary supporting British in WW2![]()
Yeah neither did Mr. Jinnah .. someone can’t be praised just because they didn’t get along well with Nehru..
I cannot respect a person that allied with ML and also supported Britain in WW2, thats contrary to Netaji
Savarkar didnot ally with Congress quit India movement because he wanted a hindu nation, just like Jinnah wanted a muslim one. The congress wanted nothing to do with hindus. Even during the partition and after it, they failed to safeguard the rights of Hindus.
This is what Savarkar had feared and thats why he didnot align with the INC and its movement.
I have a belief it would similar Joshilla bhai where Savarkar is a revolutionary supporting British in WW2![]()
80% Hindus after Independence what rights are we looking for? I can understand if Ambedkar was saying that it sounds awful when Savarkar would think that.
Is this how all Hindutva supporters have started to think? That 80% Hindus are being targeted?
Please don’t come back with the Hindu temple administration thing, thats not an issue that means being marginalized.
There needs to be a middle path , a path that doesn’t support socialism and trickery ,appeasement of Congress and the right wing divisive policies of Hindutva.
That path i believe could be taken by regional parties, I have come to believe in coalition politics now and I hope India goes back to it as well, we are better not giving any single party mandate to do absolute damage.
For 72 years congress did its thing. Regional parties took appeasement to another level totally. At that time it was democracy and what people wanted. Because they had the numbers.
Now when BJP has numbers you want middle path.
Middle path will come when the path which has diverged to the left is brought back to the center by dragging it to the right side.
How can anyone call this anti Muslim just because their are better provisions for other religions. The whole idea of Pakistan and Bangladesh was to stay away from Hndus in India. Why would Muslims from these countries want to come to India now?
If still someone wants to call it anti Muslim, think about countries which are Islamic Republics. These are anti humanity then.
CAB is not affecting any Muslims living in India and it is not against any one.
Muslims are excluded from granting asylum on religious grounds from 3 Islamic republics, because they can not be persecuted being Muslims in Islamic republics!
Some may like this bill and some will reject. But one must have to accept the political zeal and relentless nature of Amit Shah.
Balakot
Triple Talaq abolition
Chidambaram jailed
Article 370
Union Territories
Hurriyat leaders house arrest
Ayodhya verdict
Citizenship bill
All of these within a year. Politics of this kind and with such ferociousness was never witnessed, definitely not in India.
As I said before....Modi alone was deadly. But this guy is a totally different breed. Imagine how much more he would do with still 4+ years of BJPs term left.
Pretty bad time for Indian seculars tbh.
BJP own guy in Assam says it’ll shield Hindus while Muslims will go to Foreigners Tribunals (and therefore detention centres)
The deadline? Assam Assembly Elections in 2021
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Illegal muslims from Bangladesh. Not Indian citizens.
Please read about Assam NRC.
Illegal muslims from Bangladesh. Not Indian citizens.
Please read about Assam NRC.