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Citizenship Amendment Bill: India's new 'anti-Muslim' law causes uproar

According to reports 14 people have now been killed by Police in India.

Will there be investigations into this alleged murders?
 
Thousands of people joined fresh rallies against a contentious citizenship law in India on Saturday, with 20 killed so far in the unrest.

The death toll jumped after demonstrations turned violent on Friday in the most populous state of Uttar Pradesh, leaving at least 11 dead including an eight-year-old boy, who was trampled.

On Saturday more protests began in cities including Chennai, capital of southern Tamil Nadu state, and Patna in eastern Bihar state. Crowds were also expected again in the national capital New Delhi.

Disquiet has been growing about the law, which was passed by parliament on December 11 and gives people from persecuted minorities from three neighbouring countries an easier path to citizenship -- but not if they are Muslim.

Critics say the law discriminates against Muslims and is part of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's Hindu-nationalist agenda, a claim his political party has denied.

In northern Uttar Pradesh, Muslims make up almost 20 percent of the 200-million population.

The state's police spokesman Shirish Chandra told AFP that 10 people had died on Friday after being shot. "All of them were bullet fatalities. We are looking into other cases," he said.

The boy also died on Friday after 2,500 people including children joined a rally in the holy city of Varanasi, district police chief Prabhakar Chaudhary told AFP.

"When the police tried to quell the protests, these persons ran for cover and a stampede-like situation emerged, in which this boy died," Chaudhary said.

He added that police "exercised complete restraint against the crowds that engaged in attacking them with stones".

The Times of India said the boy was playing in a lane with a friend when they were trampled by a crowd being chased by police.

The unrest has also seen one other death in Uttar Pradesh and two in the southwestern state of Karnataka, while in Assam state in the northeast -- where the wave of protests began last week -- six people have been killed and dozens injured.

- Minors detained -

On Saturday police erected barricades along Jantar Mantar in central Delhi, an avenue that has emerged in recent years as a hotspot for protests.

Authorities have scrambled to contain the situation -- imposing emergency laws, blocking internet access, and shutting down shops and restaurants in sensitive pockets across the country.

Police have opened fire during the protests, launched tear gas canisters, charged protesters with batons and detained hundreds of people across the vast nation amid the violence.

But demonstrators have vowed to keep up their fight until the law is revoked.

On Friday evening, street battles broke out in the heart of India's capital with police firing a water cannon and baton-charging protesters, who chanted anti-Modi slogans and threw stones, at Delhi Gate in the Old Delhi district.

An AFP reporter at the scene saw protesters, including children, being detained and beaten by police.

Forty protesters were taken into custody, including eight people under 18 years old, police told AFP Saturday, adding that most of them including the children were released.

Fifteen others were arrested and expected to face charges over the violence, the police spokesman added.

Delhi's chief metropolitan magistrate late Friday had ordered the release of everyone under 18 who was detained.

https://www.france24.com/en/20191221-india-protests-rage-on-as-death-toll-rises-to-20
 
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Gorakhpur protest - source twitter
 
The BJP guy is clearing talking in an Us vs Them way but the words have been twisted a bit.

He says that we are watching 'you' setting fire everywhere, to public places and things. There is a limit to our patience. Remember what you did to the kar sevaks and what we responded with....


The government using force has turned this whole thing around and is bringing it dangerously close to a Hindu-Muslim thing where it was earlier 'Muslims + opposition' vs Modi-Shah.

Everyone's talking about two shot dead in Mangalore, but it must also be kept in mind that a policeman's hand was cut off prior to the shooting.

Who cut the police officers hand ? How did they get so close ? Evidence? Names? Why is the police so untrained that it cant even fight off a protester, if it is who did it?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A News18 reporter asked us are you Indian or not. <a href="https://t.co/x7emD4fkws">pic.twitter.com/x7emD4fkws</a></p>— Sameer Yasir (@sameeryasir) <a href="https://twitter.com/sameeryasir/status/1208285081866891264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Who cut the police officers hand ? How did they get so close ? Evidence? Names? Why is the police so untrained that it cant even fight off a protester, if it is who did it?

A Muslim-dominated mob that had surrounded a police station in Mangalore, Karnataka. One cop who got isolated outside in the frenzy lost his arm.

If the station had CCTV footage, they might in the future be able to identify the persons responsible. I will let you know at that point.
 
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Napoleon Bonaparte
 
Some posters were here saying that nothing bad is going in India every one is at peace and there is just a small ripple.
But watching Indian news/twitter it seems like India is burning.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“The Uttar Pradesh Police chief on Saturday maintained that police did not open fire during the protests...”<a href="https://t.co/a5GJ0Odi3T">https://t.co/a5GJ0Odi3T</a><br><br>How did 16 people die?<br><br>Watch this video <a href="https://t.co/JcaqJEGYLX">https://t.co/JcaqJEGYLX</a></p>— Supriya Sharma (@sharmasupriya) <a href="https://twitter.com/sharmasupriya/status/1208463090821390336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
If you riot, destroy and set public property on fire, "maaro saalon ka" is the least the state can do for you. :)

Keep on rioting - it's actually helping the cause. In the short run, this will make those on the fence move closer to supporting police action and CAA. In the long run, it's just providing a smoking gun on the Islamist-Left Liberal nexus that we need to reckon with at some point in the future.
 
If you riot, destroy and set public property on fire, "maaro saalon ka" is the least the state can do for you. :)

Keep on rioting - it's actually helping the cause. In the short run, this will make those on the fence move closer to supporting police action and CAA. In the long run, it's just providing a smoking gun on the Islamist-Left Liberal nexus that we need to reckon with at some point in the future.

So why was this "maaro saalon ka" NOT used against Jats when they burned then entire Haryana and even raped women?
 
So why was this "maaro saalon ka" NOT used against Jats when they burned then entire Haryana and even raped women?

Ermm..not sure what you're talking about, but (unfortunately) here: https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/haryana-jat-agitation-death-toll-rises-to-30-1281690

We need to learn to protest peacefully. Most protests in India turn violent and lead to millions of $ in damages to public property.

Besides, if a protest turns violent, it only plays in the state's hand. It allows the state to justify use of force, and we all know which side is outgunned in that battle.
 
Some posters were here saying that nothing bad is going in India every one is at peace and there is just a small ripple.
But watching Indian news/twitter it seems like India is burning.

Not really...
As usual Congress paid jokers on duty, no one care what they doing.
People busy in their regular activities.
 
This proposed citizenship law has badly backfired for the right wing Indian government.

Let’s be honest, they got away with their Kashmir move because of the total blackout and compliance of the Indian media in not even questioning it.

However this time the Modi/BJP party overplayed their card. They were not prepared for people to come out on the streets to protest and also expected the Indian media to be their lapdogs just like on the Kashmir issue which some still are but many couldn’t ignore it.
 
This proposed citizenship law has badly backfired for the right wing Indian government.

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Not really, Majority of hindu population back this, you are seeing a few riots here and there thanks to Congress and opposition's istigation also. Modi will be back in power next election as well, they have delivered on what they promised on their election promises, they will rule for as long as they want.

- Triple Talaq - Koed
- Ayodhya - Done
- Kashmir - Done
- CAB

You better believe if Amit Shah and Modi says something will be done, it will be done... It also happens to be perfect timing that the world is spooked by Islamaphobia, no not much meaningful pressure placed on India, due to the Islamic extremists paranoia across the world..
 
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Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has defended the government's new citizenship law, despite the major ongoing protests against it.

"We passed this bill to help the persecuted," he said at a rally in Delhi. "We need to respect India's MPs and its parliament".

More than 20 people have died in ten days of clashes sparked by the bill, which critics see as anti-Muslim.

Protesters have continued to take to the streets in spite of police bans.

Several thousand people have also been detained and internet services have been suspended as the authorities battle to restore order.

Mr Modi defended the legislation at a rally in the capital at the start of his Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party's (BJP) campaign for state elections there. The prime minister:

What is the controversial law?
Critics fear the new law - known as the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) - undermines India's secular constitution.

Passed earlier this month, it offers amnesty to non-Muslim illegal immigrants from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

The federal government says the law will protect religious minorities fleeing persecution - but the move has drawn criticism from opposition parties and international rights groups.

It is also controversial because it follows a government plan to publish a nationwide register of citizens that it says will identify illegal immigrants - namely, anyone who doesn't have the documents to prove that their ancestors lived in India.

A National Register of Citizens (NRC) - published in the north-eastern state of Assam - saw 1.9 million people effectively made stateless.

The NRC and the Citizenship Amendment Act are closely linked as the latter will protect non-Muslims who are excluded from the register and face the threat of deportation or internment.

Why are people protesting against it?
The law change has sparked a backlash from a range of protesters, including students.

Many Muslim citizens fear that they could be made stateless if they don't have the necessary documents; and critics also say the law is exclusionary and violates the secular principles enshrined in India's constitution.

But Mr Modi said the law would have "no effect on citizens of India, including Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Jains, Christians and Buddhists".

He also blamed the opposition for the protests, accusing them of "spreading lies and rumours" and "instigating violence" and "creating an atmosphere of illusion and falsehood".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50883819
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another public rally where they are screaming: “desh ke gadaaron ko, goli maaro saalon ko”! Is this not inciting violence? How is this allowed? HOW? <a href="https://t.co/ow2CY2z01k">https://t.co/ow2CY2z01k</a></p>— Neeraj Ghaywan (@ghaywan) <a href="https://twitter.com/ghaywan/status/1208616649848320000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">These kids are Narendra Modi supporters. <br><br>They are shouting "Shoot the traitors" .. (Calling Anti-CAA protesters Traitors)<br><br>This is Sanghi India for you, replica of Nazi Germany.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CAA_NRC_Protests?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CAA_NRC_Protests</a> <a href="https://t.co/C1sE2n5qex">pic.twitter.com/C1sE2n5qex</a></p>— Md Asif Khan‏‎‎‎‎‎‎ آصِف (@imMAK02) <a href="https://twitter.com/imMAK02/status/1208673133407817728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
No focus on creating jobs, improving ecnonomy and development. All they know is to either change the names of cities or pass bills after bills. Aur inhe superpower ban na hai. :inti
 
Not really, Majority of hindu population back this, you are seeing a few riots here and there thanks to Congress and opposition's istigation also. Modi will be back in power next election as well, they have delivered on what they promised on their election promises, they will rule for as long as they want.

- Triple Talaq - Koed
- Ayodhya - Done
- Kashmir - Done
- CAB

You better believe if Amit Shah and Modi says something will be done, it will be done... It also happens to be perfect timing that the world is spooked by Islamaphobia, no not much meaningful pressure placed on India, due to the Islamic extremists paranoia across the world..

Wow they certainly delivered. Funny everything is to do with Muslims. Their whole agenda is Anti-Muslim and things like these give satisfaction to their Hinduvta ****** and no one talks about the countries economy and other issues.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Modi's speech today was full of lies. In this thread, I am putting together tweets exposing all of them. RT widely. If you see other relevant tweets, tag me and I will add them to the list. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ModiLies?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ModiLies</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IndiaAgainstCAA_NRC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IndiaAgainstCAA_NRC</a></p>— visvak (@visvak) <a href="https://twitter.com/visvak/status/1208720881498894336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Modi's speech today was full of lies. In this thread, I am putting together tweets exposing all of them. RT widely. If you see other relevant tweets, tag me and I will add them to the list. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ModiLies?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ModiLies</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IndiaAgainstCAA_NRC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IndiaAgainstCAA_NRC</a></p>— visvak (@visvak) <a href="https://twitter.com/visvak/status/1208720881498894336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Very interesting collection of Modi Lies....
 
Not really, Majority of hindu population back this, you are seeing a few riots here and there thanks to Congress and opposition's istigation also. Modi will be back in power next election as well, they have delivered on what they promised on their election promises, they will rule for as long as they want.

- Triple Talaq - Koed
- Ayodhya - Done
- Kashmir - Done
- CAB

You better believe if Amit Shah and Modi says something will be done, it will be done... It also happens to be perfect timing that the world is spooked by Islamaphobia, no not much meaningful pressure placed on India, due to the Islamic extremists paranoia across the world..

Economy- Koed
Jobs -Koed
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">During Friday’s follow-up demonstrations in Gorakhpur, two RSS members — Vikas Jalan and Satya Prakash — were seen among the mob, damaging shops and throwing stones at the police.<a href="https://t.co/B0rduX8Q4S">https://t.co/B0rduX8Q4S</a></p>— The Telegraph (@ttindia) <a href="https://twitter.com/ttindia/status/1208244540424876034?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another public rally where they are screaming: “desh ke gadaaron ko, goli maaro saalon ko”! Is this not inciting violence? How is this allowed? HOW? <a href="https://t.co/ow2CY2z01k">https://t.co/ow2CY2z01k</a></p>— Neeraj Ghaywan (@ghaywan) <a href="https://twitter.com/ghaywan/status/1208616649848320000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">These kids are Narendra Modi supporters. <br><br>They are shouting "Shoot the traitors" .. (Calling Anti-CAA protesters Traitors)<br><br>This is Sanghi India for you, replica of Nazi Germany.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CAA_NRC_Protests?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CAA_NRC_Protests</a> <a href="https://t.co/C1sE2n5qex">pic.twitter.com/C1sE2n5qex</a></p>— Md Asif Khan‏‎‎‎‎‎‎ آصِف (@imMAK02) <a href="https://twitter.com/imMAK02/status/1208673133407817728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

No focus on creating jobs, improving ecnonomy and development. All they know is to either change the names of cities or pass bills after bills. Aur inhe superpower ban na hai. :inti

Those kids remind me of certain posters, only one mission, which is backward thinking & believes, and out of vendetta of what had happened in 1947.

Country is going down to drain at a rapid pace for no apparent or genuine reason.
 
Proud of young Indians who stood up against this unjust bill. Public should never be a cheerleader for the leaders once come in power.
 
No focus on creating jobs, improving ecnonomy and development. All they know is to either change the names of cities or pass bills after bills. Aur inhe superpower ban na hai. :inti

Which government focuses on these issues? All governments have their own Agendas, important things like economy, development, jobs, population control, environment etc etc are at the back seat. These things are BAU no need to change anything to improve these things, bhagwaan bharose chal hi jayegi :)
 
Which government focuses on these issues? All governments have their own Agendas, important things like economy, development, jobs, population control, environment etc etc are at the back seat. These things are BAU no need to change anything to improve these things, bhagwaan bharose chal hi jayegi :)

Just because Finance minister is struggling with the economy, the other ministries shouldn't work on what they promised, and they should go and assist the finance minister in her work instead?

This was part of the manifesto and promise. Only in India a govt is bring criticised for fulfilling what it declared in the manifesto.
 
Just because Finance minister is struggling with the economy, the other ministries shouldn't work on what they promised, and they should go and assist the finance minister in her work instead?

This was part of the manifesto and promise. Only in India a govt is bring criticised for fulfilling what it declared in the manifesto.

Show me their official manifesto which says they will be giving citizenship to 18 lakh unskilled people who will just be leeching off my tax money?
 
Everything is inter-related. If you can't understand that, there is no point of discussing further.

So you concede that CAA does not give citizenship to 18 lakh people. Good start.

Now which act has been passed/tabled in parliament which gives citizenship to these 18 lakh people. I am ready to discuss further.
 
What's the update on jharkhand elections? [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] any anti or pro bjo trend in today's election?

I think they were the ruling party in jharkand.
 
What's the update on jharkhand elections? [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] any anti or pro bjo trend in today's election?

I think they were the ruling party in jharkand.

Looks like BJP r losing but Ill wait till JMM-Congress form the govn , you never know what trick BJP pulls up at end point ..

They are really bad in states now , as per [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] looks like Jharkhand showed in elections what they thought of the bill?
 
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Looks like BJP r losing but Ill wait till JMM-Congress form the govn , you never know what trick BJP pulls up at end point ..

They are really bad in states now , as per [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] looks like Jharkhand showed in elections what they thought of the bill?

Yea federal govt can offer a lot so JMM can go with BJP too. Not a good result for BJP just checked they had 37 seats in last jharkand assembly back in 2014 and congress had only 6 seats and they were not even in top 3 and now looks like Congress will end up with around 12-15 seats
 
Can anybody explain to me how come some states are having elections now when general elections already took place a few months ago. Don't all the national and state assemblies have elections at the same time?
 
Can anybody explain to me how come some states are having elections now when general elections already took place a few months ago. Don't all the national and state assemblies have elections at the same time?

In Canada you have provincial and national, similarly except for a couple of states , the state elections are different from national ones.
 
In Canada you have provincial and national, similarly except for a couple of states , the state elections are different from national ones.

In Pakistan we have all provincial and national elections on same day. AJK and GB assemblies elections are on different dates.
 
This came up in my Twitter feed - pretty much sums up the CAA and the "protests" for me


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The fact that blatant hate comics show up on your feed explains something doesn't it? Anyways I love how the "bad guy" in this picture has a skull cap and a beard. Because you know all Muslims are evil butchers while all Hindus are innocent as it can be. Do you guys actually believe this delusional stuff?
 
Yea federal govt can offer a lot so JMM can go with BJP too. Not a good result for BJP just checked they had 37 seats in last jharkand assembly back in 2014 and congress had only 6 seats and they were not even in top 3 and now looks like Congress will end up with around 12-15 seats

They have been losing a lot in state, their national one is still strong coz Rahul is the leader of opposition..
 
In Pakistan we have all provincial and national elections on same day. AJK and GB assemblies elections are on different dates.

We have few states which are like that , IIRC ANdhra is like that
 
They have been losing a lot in state, their national one is still strong coz Rahul is the leader of opposition..

After all these defeats if they still can't think about anyone from outside of the Gandhi family for leadership thn what about Priyanka Gandhi?
 
After all these defeats if they still can't think about anyone from outside of the Gandhi family for leadership thn what about Priyanka Gandhi?

Her husband is tainted as well eventhough nothing on her, the issue with Gandhis (except Sonia) is more of they are about opportunistic photo-ops instead of actually making a proper opposition, even extreme Liberals like Varun Grover are calling them out and making fun that so much is going on but Congress finds the weather too cold to come out and speak in a unified rational manner.
 
Her husband is tainted as well eventhough nothing on her, the issue with Gandhis (except Sonia) is more of they are about opportunistic photo-ops instead of actually making a proper opposition, even extreme Liberals like Varun Grover are calling them out and making fun that so much is going on but Congress finds the weather too cold to come out and speak in a unified rational manner.

True this was the time to take full advantage as opposition to unite and bounce back.
 
https://www.businesstoday.in/current/economy-politics/caa-nrc-national-register-of-citizens-myths-and-facts-citizenship-amendment-act-modi-amit-shah-govt/story/392474.html

Now that protests against the Citizenship (Amendment) Act of 2019 (CAA) has spread far and wide and prohibitory orders (Section 144) and internet shutdowns have become the order of the day, a lot of confusion has spread over the meaning and implication of this law and its links with Population Register (PR), National Population Register (NPR), National Register of Citizens (NRC) and National Register for Indian Citizens (NRIC).

Here is a reality check on the implications and links among these through what official gazette notifications, laws and rules provide for. It seeks to clear the fog of confusion before arriving at any conclusion.

Myth 1: Nation-wide NRC not announced. Reality Check: It has been notified in the official gazette

The process of preparing a nation-wide NRC has been kick-started with a gazette notification of July 31, 2019. The notification said:

"In pursuance of sub-rule (4) of rule 3 of the Citizenship (Registration of Citizens and Issue of National Identity Cards) Rules, 2003, the Central Government hereby decides to prepare and update the Population Register (PR) and the field work for house to house enumeration throughout the country except Assam for collection of information relating to all persons who are usually residing within the jurisdiction of local registrar shall be undertaken between the 1st day of April 2020 to 30th September, 2020."

Also Read: Indian-Americans protest against CAA, NRC in front of Indian Embassy in US

Graphics 1: NRC notified, but called NRIC


Rule 3 of the Citizenship (Registration of Citizens and Issue of National Identity Cards) Rules, 2003, (2003 Rules) mentioned in the gazette, is about the concept of "NRIC and its sub-rule (4) provides for "Preparation of the National Register of Indian Citizens".

Graphics 2: Rules 3 of the 2003 Rules


This should remove doubts that a nation-wide NRC has not been announced.

Just that instead of being called NRC-which is specific to Assam and mandated by the Assam Accord of 1985 and the supreme court (SC) - it is called NRIC and exclude Assam to differentiate the two.

Myth 2: Population Register and NRIC not linked. Reality Check: They are linked

The "population register" the gazette notification mentions the first step towards preparing the NRIC. This is what the sub-rule (5) of Rule 3 of the 2003 Rules says: "The Local Register of Indian citizens shall contain details of persons after due verification made from the population register."

Graphics 3: Link between PR/NPR and NRC/NRIC


The gazette notification has also made it clear that the house-to-house enumeration for the population register would be carried out between "1st day of April, 2020 to 30th September, 2020". This is the first step towards NRIC as sub-rule (5) says this would be prepared "after due verification" of the population register.

Also Read:CAA & NRC: The two together pose a serious threat to India's development story

What are Population Register and NRIC?
The Citizenship (Registration of Citizens and Issue of National Identity Cards) Rules, 2003 defines Population Register as: "Population Register means the register containing details of persons usually residing in a village or rural area or town or ward or demarcated area (demarcated by the Registrar General of Citizen Registration) within a ward in a town or urban area".

About NRIC, it says: "National Register of Indian Citizens means the register containing details of Indian citizens living in India and outside India". NRIC would be divided into four sub-parts: (a) State Register of Indian Citizens (b) District Register of Indian Citizens (c) Sub-district Register of Indian Citizens and (d) Local Register of Indian Citizens and "shall contain such details as the central government may, in consultation with the Registrar General of Citizens Registration, specify". (Rule 3)

How will Population Register get converted to NRIC?

Sub-rule (3) of Rule 4 says: For the purposes of preparation and inclusion in the local register of Indian citizens, the particulars collected of every family and individual in the Population Register shall be verified and scrutinised by the local registrar who may be assisted by one or more persons as specified by the Registrar General of Citizen Registration."

Process for identifying and verifying "Doubtful Citizenship" not provided yet

Sub-rule (4) of Rule 4 of the 2003 Rules makes it very clear what will happen during this verification and scrutiny process: "During the verification process, particulars of such individuals, whose citizenship is doubtful, shall be entered by the local registrar with appropriate remark in the population register for further enquiry and in case of doubtful citizenship, the individual or the family shall be informed in a specified pro-forma immediately after the verification process is over."

So, the process is clear: "doubtful citizens" would be marked out in the population register for further inquiry and then family members would be informed, "in a specified pro-forma".

The arbitrariness creeps in here because (a) It is not clear on what basis "doubtful citizens" would be identified or marked out and (b) the "specified Pro-forma" is not yet in public domain. Clearly, the process would be opaque until these are explained and published.

The purpose of the 2003 Rules is to provide for practical instructions and procedures to execute the NRIC project. Absence of specific process makes it clear that it would be vulnerable to arbitrariness, depending on the whims and fancies of local officials. This has now been challenged in the Kolkata High Court, along with the July 2019 gazette notification to carry out the NRIC.

The arbitrariness increases further as sub-rule (5) of Rule 4 says "doubtful citizens" would be heard by the sub-district or Taluk Registrar of citizen registration, before a final decision is taken to include or to exclude them in the NRIC, but does not specify which documents would be required for this or the process to be followed.

In contrast to this, in the case of Assam the entire process of seeking documents and verification - leading up to appealing before the foreigners' tribunal and beyond - were well defined and transparent.

Also Read: Citizenship Act 2019: Protesters march against NRC in Mumbra near Mumbai

Myth 3: PR/NPR & NRIC part of Census 2021. Reality Check: No, Census is different

The next in the NRIC process is: "The draft of the local register of Indian citizens shall be published by the sub-district or Taluk Registrar, for inviting any objections or for inclusion..." (sub-rule (6) (a) of Rule 4 of the 2003 Rules).

The census details like names of people, their address or other details are not published or used for any other process. Besides, the census is carried out under a different law - the Census Act of 1948.
But PR/NPR and NRIC are being carried out under the Citizenship Act of 1955, the Citizenship (Amendment) Act (CAA of 2003) and the 2003 Rules.

Myth 4: PR/NPR & NRIC started by UPA. Reality Check: It began with 2003 amendment by the Vajpayee regime

When and how did the population Register and NRIC come into the Citizenship Act of 1955?

In 2003, it was during an earlier NDA regime that the Citizenship Act of 1955 was amended through the Citizenship (Amendment) Act of 2003 (CAA of 2003) to introduce (a) "illegal migrant" and (b) (NRIC) into it.

Section 2 of the CAA of 2003 says: ""Illegal migrant" means a foreigner who has entered into India - (i) without a valid passport or other travel documents and such other document or authority as may be prescribed by or under any law in that behalf; or (ii) with a valid passport or other travel documents and such other document or authority as may be prescribed by or under any law in that behalf but remains therein beyond the permitted period of time". (Section 2)

The NRIC came in when Section 14A was added by the CAA of 2003.

The NPR process was first rolled in during the UPA regime in 2010-11. Knowledgeable sources point out that it never progressed to the next stage - preparation of the NRIC - as the UPA regime got involved with the Aadhaar project (unique identity for Indians). Next, the NPR was updated in 2015 but, again, it did not progress to the NRIC.

Population Register (or NPR) missing from citizenship act as it stands now

Interestingly, there is no mention of a population register in the main law - the Citizenship Act of 1955 as it stands now, that is, even after the 2003 amendment.

It was brought in through the 2003 Rules.

Ranjit Sur of the West Bengal's civil rights organisation- association for the protection of democratic Rights (APDR) - which brought to light how the NRIC was being sneaked in through the backdoor in the state in the garb of the census 2021 exercise - questions the legal force of such a country-wide exercise through only the 2003 Rules. He says he consulted many lawyers who too expressed doubts about it since there is no such provision in the main law.

It was following the APDR's expose that the West Bengal chief minister Mamata Banerjee suspended work on the population register (or NPR). The Chief Ministers of 10 other states, including those from Bihar, Odisha, Punjab, Telangana, Kerala and Delhi, have now joined in and declared their opposition to NPR and NRIC.
Myth 5: No link between NPR, NRC and CAA. Reality Check: They are all linked and would filter out Muslims

Even if one were to ignore the Union Home Minister Amit Shah's repeated public speeches linking the two before stepping back due to widespread protests across the country, a clear link is established through "illegal migrant" and NRIC brought in through the CAA of 2003. The CAA (of 2019) - passed recently - filters out the Muslims from granting citizenship to "illegal migrants".

There is more evidence now.

Business Today accessed documents - reproduced below with relevant parts encircled in red -circulated to district magistrates and additional district magistrates (DMs and ADMs) of states. These documents carry information to be sought from people during the preparation of "National Population Register-2020 (NPR-2020)".

On page number 2, column 3 seeks "Place of birth of father & mother, if within India, write the name of the state and district. If outside India, write the name of the country and put (left blank to be filled later) for district".

Graphics 4: Deadly give away: NPR-2020 seeks to identify "illegal migrant"


This is a deadly give away of the fact that the purpose of the NPR-2020 is to identify illegal migrants. Once this is done, all the Muslims would be filtered out through the CAA (of 2019) and put in detention centres being readied across the country.

In fact, 2 days before the gazette notification announcing the population register (nor NPR) was published (in July 31, 2019), a prominent national daily disclosed that the central government has asked all states and union territories to set up at least one detention centre each to house illegal migrants.

For those who failed the NRC test in Assam or would fail the NRIC test elsewhere in India, at least 12 detention centres are being readied across the country - 10 in Assam, one in Navi Mumbai and one in Bangalore rural (Nelamangala).

No clarity on documents or information needed: 12, 14 or 15 sets?

Seeking information about the place of birth of father and mother in the NPR-2020 shown above is not in the 2003 Rules.

For, the 2003 rules seek 12 pieces of information: "It (population register) would contain 12 details: name, father's name, mother's name, sex, date of birth, place of birth, residential address (present and permanent), marital status (if ever married, name of the spouse), visible identification mark, date of registration of citizen, serial number of registration and national identity number provided under rule 13. (sub-rule 3 of Rule 3 of 2003 Rules)

On the other hand, the office of the registrar general & census commissioner, India, updated its website to give details about the NPR. It sought 15 sets of information, including "nationality", but not the "place of birth of father and mother".

NPR-2020 process has already begun in India: First step to NRIC

Not just the gazette notification of July 31, 2019, the start of the NPR has been widely reported by the newspapers. A PTI report of October 11, 2019, said: "The RGI has already begun a pilot project in over 1,200 villages and 40 towns and cities through 5,218 enumeration blocks, where it is collecting various data from people. The final enumeration will begin in April 2020 and end in September 2020."

It further stated: "Training of national trainers is to start from October 14, 2019 and senior state officials have been informed about the schedule of the training."

As it has been witnessed in West Bengal, the training for DMs and ADMs were completed by December first week. They would now be the trainers of other officials who would carry out the exercise at the grassroots level and above.

For anyone, therefore, to say that the process of NPR or NRIC/NRC has not been announced or begun is not true. It has begun. The actual house-to-house enumeration would begin from April 2020.

The conclusions are clear: The process of preparing a nation-wide NRIC (minus Assam) has begun with the initiation of the NPR-2020. The CAA (2029) is already in place. Together, these would filter out the Muslims - and detention centres are being readied to house them.
 

With due respect, that is different from what I am asking. Here PM is saying, the law is passed only for Assam and other states are not effected. But if, say hypothetically NRC is prposed nationwide and both houses passes it, it becomes a law of India. Still you think CMs of indicidual states have the authority to reject it or its just fake bravado?
 
With due respect, that is different from what I am asking. Here PM is saying, the law is passed only for Assam and other states are not effected. But if, say hypothetically NRC is prposed nationwide and both houses passes it, it becomes a law of India. Still you think CMs of indicidual states have the authority to reject it or its just fake bravado?

They will not support it in the house..but check the article above.
 
India and Bangladesh should come to an agreement about the illegals in India.

India should issue a work visa type to all Bangladeshi citizens who are illegally in India.
Bangladeshi citizens should pay taxes to Indian Government. In return, Bangladeshis will not be harassed and any Bangladeshi who wants to become an Indian citizen should follow rules by applying for citizenship. Bangla citizens will also be able to travel to their homeland without bribing both BSF and Bangla border patrol.

Basically a H1B visa type scheme should be given to all Bangla citizens who are illegally in India. Win-Win for both.

Entering freely into India and state governments treating them as vote banks and giving them ration cards is not going to work. There will be backlash from natives of this already over populated country.
 
India and Bangladesh should come to an agreement about the illegals in India.

India should issue a work visa type to all Bangladeshi citizens who are illegally in India.
Bangladeshi citizens should pay taxes to Indian Government. In return, Bangladeshis will not be harassed and any Bangladeshi who wants to become an Indian citizen should follow rules by applying for citizenship. Bangla citizens will also be able to travel to their homeland without bribing both BSF and Bangla border patrol.

Basically a H1B visa type scheme should be given to all Bangla citizens who are illegally in India. Win-Win for both.

Entering freely into India and state governments treating them as vote banks and giving them ration cards is not going to work. There will be backlash from natives of this already over populated country.

In theory this is a good solution. However from what I hear, Unemployment is at an all time high in India. Giving 1.9M purported illegals employment will be a hard sell for an extremist right wing government.
 
In theory this is a good solution. However from what I hear, Unemployment is at an all time high in India. Giving 1.9M purported illegals employment will be a hard sell for an extremist right wing government.

I agree that unemployment is very high in India. But you cannot put all illegals in detention camps. They are not going to go back to Bangladesh. At best may be a few thousands will go back. But the majority will stay. You cannot tell a Bangladeshi apart from Indians. We all look the same.

No Bangladeshi is leaving India. Better to give them legal visas and let them work in India. Will benefit both parties.
 
After all these defeats if they still can't think about anyone from outside of the Gandhi family for leadership thn what about Priyanka Gandhi?

Entire Gandhi family is crap and congress is bunch of jokers, they are tainted and useless.
Congress need to find out young leaders (Not from Gandhi family)

I am very sure they cant win next time also, people make fun of Rahu Gandhi and his leadership qualities.
Modi will win next time as well.
 
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The Indian cabinet has approved a new population register despite weeks of protests over a citizenship law that critics say is anti-Muslim.

Authorities say the National Population Register (NPR) will create a list of all the people living in the country and help in formulation of policies.

However, critics say it will be a list from which "doubtful citizens" will be asked to prove they are Indian.

More than 20 people have died in protests over the citizenship law.

What is the NPR?
Authorities say the aim of the NPR is to create a comprehensive identity database of every "usual resident" of the country and it's linked to the census.

A "usual resident" is a person who has lived in an area for at least six months or a person who plans to live in an area for the next six months or more. This means foreigners living in India would be included in the NPR.

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After Tuesday's cabinet meeting, minister Prakash Javadekar said the government had allocated 39.4bn rupees ($553m; £427m) for the NPR and that it would be created between April and September 2020.

Mr Javadekar said the first national list was created in 2010 and was updated in 2015, and that the new register would be just a further update.

He said better data would help the government formulate improved policies.

But critics say the NPR is the first step to the creation of the controversial National Register of Citizens (NRC) that is being championed by the governing Bharatiya Janata Party.

The NRC has already been implemented in the north-eastern state of Assam, where people had to prove that they came to the state by 24 March 1971, a day before neighbouring Bangladesh became an independent country. The exercise left nearly two million people people off the register.

The authorities have not yet clarified what documents would be needed for the NRC in the rest of India.

What is the controversial citizenship law?
The Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) was passed earlier this month. Critics say it targets India's 200 million plus Muslims.

The law offers amnesty to non-Muslim illegal immigrants from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan and the government says it has been brought in to protect religious minorities fleeing persecution.

The move has drawn criticism from opposition parties and international rights groups which say it's discriminatory and undermines India's secular constitution.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi has defended the legislation and insisted that India's Muslims "don't need to worry" about the law.

Protesters have continued to take to the streets in spite of police bans and internet shutdowns across the country.

How large have the protests been?
On Tuesday, thousands held another protest march in the capital, Delhi, even though police imposed a law preventing people from gathering.

The opposition Congress party leaders, Rahul Gandhi and Priyanka Gandhi, were turned back from reaching the northern state of Uttar Pradesh, where 16 people have died in protests in the past few days. They were on their way to meet a victim's family.

Over the past two weeks, hundreds of thousands have swarmed the streets in the southern cities of Bangalore and Chennai (formerly Madras). At the weekend, nearly 300,000 people held a protest march in the northern city of Jaipur.

In some places, the protests have turned violent, especially in Delhi and in Uttar Pradesh, where clashes with police have left hundreds injured and many detained.

In the eastern city of Kolkata, tens of thousands of people joined a demonstration led by Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee last week.

In the past few days, there have also been some demonstrations in support of the citizenship law.

The protests in Assam - the first in the country after the bill was passed - have little to do with concerns about the exclusionary nature of the law and the threat to secularism.

They have more to do with indigenous fears about being demographically and culturally swamped by "outsiders".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50903056
 
There is no nationwide NRC today. No bill passed. No draft circulated. So how can it happen.

Yes , So Amit Shah and Rajnath Singh should be fired.. because Modi said the same , so maybe they are plotting behind his back?
 
I agree that unemployment is very high in India. But you cannot put all illegals in detention camps. They are not going to go back to Bangladesh. At best may be a few thousands will go back. But the majority will stay. You cannot tell a Bangladeshi apart from Indians. We all look the same.

No Bangladeshi is leaving India. Better to give them legal visas and let them work in India. Will benefit both parties.

You can be deported only when another country is willing to take you in. If there is no country willing to take you in, let me stay and work ( better than keeping them in detention center). Make them ineligible for voting, but eligible for other amenities.
 
Yes , So Amit Shah and Rajnath Singh should be fired.. because Modi said the same , so maybe they are plotting behind his back?

Calling the law as anti muslim is like saying reservation in St Stephens in anti hindu, and quota in jobs is anti brahmin.
 
There is no nationwide NRC today. No bill passed. No draft circulated. So how can it happen.

BJP said their will be years back and Amit Shah has also said many times their will be nationwide NRC. Modi said some days back that their won't be mo NRC nationwide so just to try calm things down after all these protests but everyone knows their will as BJP and Amit Shah has said numerous times.
And Only Muslims are the target because the CAB will protect non Muslims if they have no documents but any Muslim without will be in detention camps even though they been in India for generations.
 
Yes , So Amit Shah and Rajnath Singh should be fired.. because Modi said the same , so maybe they are plotting behind his back?

Don't ask negative questions :afridi1

BJP said their will be years back and Amit Shah has also said many times their will be nationwide NRC. Modi said some days back that their won't be mo NRC nationwide so just to try calm things down after all these protests but everyone knows their will as BJP and Amit Shah has said numerous times.
And Only Muslims are the target because the CAB will protect non Muslims if they have no documents but any Muslim without will be in detention camps even though they been in India for generations.

Like most BJP projects, this is also going to be a failed pointless project with only lip-service directed at their hardcore Hindu supporters. But at a MASSIVE cost to the already flailing economy. In demonetization, pretty much all the black money came back into the system. But many BJP voters for some blind reason still today think that the really rich have been punished and the rot has been cleaned.

Under the present conditions of the CAA, how will a Hindu in South India who gets randomly excluded from the NRC prove he's a religious refugee? I'm not sure if currently proof is required of your country of origin, if non-Muslim. In one interview, I've heard Amit Shah say that ALL non-Muslims from the 3 countries are DEFINITELY religious refugees - no proof required.

Indians will always find a way to beat the system. So with all the opposition, the government will be forced to change some of the documents required for the NRC. Pretty much everyone will then become Indians. Even the illegal immigrants will pay some little amount here and there and get their status made. The BJP will probably round up some few random poverty-stricken Muslims, maybe from UP, and shove them into detention centres. Their hardcore base will be happy to see Muslims suffering, when in reality, nothing would have been achieved in regard to the stated objective.
 
Calm down here - no need to talk about ancestors etc - get back on track now.
 
Current law prohibits anyone from becoming a citizen lol May be they should keep it that way. Atleast CAA will allow some to become citizens.
 
Current law prohibits anyone from becoming a citizen lol May be they should keep it that way. Atleast CAA will allow some to become citizens.

I doubt people are queuing up for an Indian passport. :))

What is the latest? Are the protests over?
 
I doubt people are queuing up for an Indian passport. :))

What is the latest? Are the protests over?

Thousands of Pakistani Hindus come into India every year. So, yes...you can say they are queuing up for an Indian passport.

:rabada
 
A police station in Mangalore was cornered by a mob and a policeman's hand allegedly cut off at some point. The police then went nuts on everyone, including charging into hospitals and abusing and assaulting the injured and their families. There was firing also and at least two people died. All accounts by the families of the victims suggest they were random people not involved in the protests. An investigation is on - not sure what will come of it as the mobs also damaged CCTVs before attacking the police station (there is footage of them doing this).

Anyway, the BJP CM of Karnataka announced compensation for the victims' families, but now has gone back on his word.

Yeddy being Yeddy :shezzy2

Chief Minister B S Yediyurappa on Wednesday reversed his earlier announcement that the kin of those killed in police firing last week would be paid a compensation of ₹10 lakh each.

Speaking to reporters in Mangaluru, he said that compensation could not be paid until investigation into the violent incidents prove that the two are innocent.
 
I am yet to understand the end game here, assuming BJP gets what it wants and all non muslims get citizenship and Muslims don't get, what will happen? Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan or whichever country those people came from will refuse to accept them.

So, what will happen to these people? Detention centers? The cost of running so many detention centers will be huge, who will pay these costs? With that amount of money wouldn't it be better to secure borders so that illegal immigration stops?

What is stopping people from converting "on paper" to Hindu-ism, Jainism or Sikhism and then coming to India? Once they get citizenship can convert back to Islam?

Still don't understand the benefits, for Indian citizens about this entire hoopla.
 
I am yet to understand the end game here, assuming BJP gets what it wants and all non muslims get citizenship and Muslims don't get, what will happen? Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan or whichever country those people came from will refuse to accept them.

So, what will happen to these people? Detention centers? The cost of running so many detention centers will be huge, who will pay these costs? With that amount of money wouldn't it be better to secure borders so that illegal immigration stops?

What is stopping people from converting "on paper" to Hindu-ism, Jainism or Sikhism and then coming to India? Once they get citizenship can convert back to Islam?

Still don't understand the benefits, for Indian citizens about this entire hoopla.

There’s no benefits

It just playing into hands of hindu right wing and wins votes because Muslims are being ‘kept under check.’

My educated indian classmates in uni have said that there’s concern that from one census to another the proportion of Indian Muslims as a percentage of population has increased by 1% and that it needs to be sorted. If educated people are saying this then surely this policy would be a winner for the majority.
 
I am yet to understand the end game here, assuming BJP gets what it wants and all non muslims get citizenship and Muslims don't get, what will happen? Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan or whichever country those people came from will refuse to accept them.

So, what will happen to these people? Detention centers? The cost of running so many detention centers will be huge, who will pay these costs? With that amount of money wouldn't it be better to secure borders so that illegal immigration stops?

What is stopping people from converting "on paper" to Hindu-ism, Jainism or Sikhism and then coming to India? Once they get citizenship can convert back to Islam?

Still don't understand the benefits, for Indian citizens about this entire hoopla.



This is talk I heard from BJP local party workers..

Demonetisation was done purposely to void the black cash present with opposition parties as they will send/distribute that cash in Rs 500, 1000 notes in elections. Remember 5 state elections happened after Nov 16.


In the same way, BJP realized the vote bank of opposition parties comes from illegal muslims, & few other muslims in India , so as to get rid of their voting rights they want to implement NRC & opposition will lose its vote bank.
 
There’s no benefits

It just playing into hands of hindu right wing and wins votes because Muslims are being ‘kept under check.’

My educated indian classmates in uni have said that there’s concern that from one census to another the proportion of Indian Muslims as a percentage of population has increased by 1% and that it needs to be sorted. If educated people are saying this then surely this policy would be a winner for the majority.

This is talk I heard from BJP local party workers..

Demonetisation was done purposely to void the black cash present with opposition parties as they will send/distribute that cash in Rs 500, 1000 notes in elections. Remember 5 state elections happened after Nov 16.


In the same way, BJP realized the vote bank of opposition parties comes from illegal muslims, & few other muslims in India , so as to get rid of their voting rights they want to implement NRC & opposition will lose its vote bank.

Demonetization ruined BSP and SP. Especially, BSP which after demonetization is somewhat finished. So, that part is probably true. However, trust me no BJP party worker knows why demonetization was done. It is just a theory. Apart from Modi/Shah and their core team no one knows the real reasons for Demonetization. Even high ranking BJP ministers won't know all the real reasons, let alone lower cadre party workers. They are just speculating like the rest of us, and if they say they know for a fact, they are just trying to big up themselves. They are nothing but pawns who are being fed what information to say/think.

Regarding the vote bank, these illegal immigrants have voting cards? Are they big enough in numbers to make a dent in elections? Is it justified to waste millions of $$ to get reduce little votes and still subsidize those votes in your detention centers using public tax?

I think BJP has got majority Hindu votes and is polarizing Hindu votes in name of religion. That is a given and seems to be working as well. However, sooner or later the Hindu's will realize they have been fooled when the standard of living won't improve. Surely, they should have a back up plan and work on actual tangible things which the population will eventually want (maybe 10-15 years from now enough people will have sense that food > religion).

Everything seems to be a short term target for BJP to stay in power. What are their long term goals?
 
I am yet to understand the end game here, assuming BJP gets what it wants and all non muslims get citizenship and Muslims don't get, what will happen? Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan or whichever country those people came from will refuse to accept them.

So, what will happen to these people? Detention centers? The cost of running so many detention centers will be huge, who will pay these costs? With that amount of money wouldn't it be better to secure borders so that illegal immigration stops?

What is stopping people from converting "on paper" to Hindu-ism, Jainism or Sikhism and then coming to India? Once they get citizenship can convert back to Islam?

Still don't understand the benefits, for Indian citizens about this entire hoopla.

Wish I could reveal the end game.
 
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