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Could Jasprit Bumrah be India's greatest ever bowler?

In the last 2 years, India has played 49 T20 internationals. Bumrah missed 39 of them. So played just 10 matches for India. But played 14 for Mumbai Indians.
 
Not only Kapil but IMO even Zaheer Khan, or his later/post-2006 county cricket version, will be remembered better.

Bumrah is also 28 I guess so he won’t be a statistical monster in terms of wickets while his averages will probably get higher in parallel to his loss of fitness/form.
 
It takes time to recover after what Cameron Green did to him.
He will be back strong for the first round of the world cup.
 
The guy hardly plays. Have rarely seen him play a full series. Pick and chooses a lot.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
In the last 2 years, India has played 49 T20 internationals. Bumrah missed 39 of them. So played just 10 matches for India. But played 14 for Mumbai Indians.
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Huge black spot on Bumrah. Shows his priorities.
 
Ab Fan said:
Rabada is comfortably better than him. Plays all games.
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Yeah. However, Bumrah could have been the best bowler in all formats had he sorted out his priorities.

So far his achievements are,

1) Winning us test series in Australia and doing really well in England too. Was instrumental in winning us the Nottingham test out of nowhere last year.

2) Has choked in every single world tournament he played in so far.

3) Hardly ever plays for India (especially the LoIs) except for world tourneys where he royally chokes without fail.

4) Gets injured at the drop of hat in international cricket. OTOH, has no problems in playing out entire IPL season with alarming regularity.

5) Almost always chokes in 4th innings of tests even when our batsmen give him good targets (considering the pitches) to defend.
 
MP2011 said:
Yeah. However, Bumrah could have been the best bowler in all formats had he sorted out his priorities.

So far his achievements are,

1) Winning us test series in Australia and doing really well in England too. Was instrumental in winning us the Nottingham test out of nowhere last year.

2) Has choked in every single world tournament he played in so far.

3) Hardly ever plays for India (especially the LoIs) except for world tourneys where he royally chokes without fail.

4) Gets injured at the drop of hat in international cricket. OTOH, has no problems in playing out entire IPL season with alarming regularity.

5) Almost always chokes in 4th innings of tests even when our batsmen give him good targets (considering the pitches) to defend.
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I am okay as long as he misses T20 bilaterals. My only concern is him choking in ICC tournaments and 4th inning of tests. That's two decisive situations of the game.

To his credit, he has won test series in Australia and helped us drew in England and that's a great achievement. Overall, still achieved more than anyone else bar Kohli from current Indian team.
 
He is far better fast bowler than India has ever produced. He is still behind Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Asif, Sarfraz and Fazal in terms of quality.
 
Ab Fan said:
I am okay as long as he misses T20 bilaterals. My only concern is him choking in ICC tournaments and 4th inning of tests. That's two decisive situations of the game.

To his credit, he has won test series in Australia and helped us drew in England and that's a great achievement. Overall, still achieved more than anyone else bar Kohli from current Indian team.
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He is one of the best visiting bowler at the MCG in history. He just loves it. Will be a blow for India to miss him. But i want him Bumrah the test bowler to be back as our test bowling unit is an aging side.
 
He bearly plays any matches. IDK how this guy keeps getting injured.
 
Massive blow to India, Bumrah would have been lethal in Australia.

Someone rightly called on this forum that his action is susceptible to injuries.
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
Massive blow to India, Bumrah would have been lethal in Australia.

Someone rightly called on this forum that his action is susceptible to injuries.
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I don't know his stats in loi's in Australia but I remember him being hit all over the park by Steven Smith and not taking many wickets.
Don't think he was going to be that dangerous.
 
<b>India head coach Rahul Dravid provides update on Jasprit Bumrah</b>

India head coach Rahul Dravid spoke about Jasprit Bumrah's injury during the virtual press conference ahead of the second T20I against South Africa.

Jasprit Bumrah has been ruled out of the ongoing T20I series against South Africa with a back injury which has cast doubt over his participation in the upcoming ICC Men's T20 World Cup in Australia.

Bumrah missed the Asia Cup due to the same injury but made his return in the T20I series against Australia. Though he missed the first game, he was available for the final two matches which India won to win the series.

Unfortunately, ahead of the first T20I against South Africa, BCCI provided an update that Bumrah complained of back pain during the practice session on Tuesday, thus ruling him out of the first T20I and eventually the series.

Ahead of the second game, Rahul Dravid provided an update on Bumrah in the virtual press conference and said that the ace pacer has gone to the National Cricket Academy.

"As of now, officially he has been ruled out of the T20 series against South Africa," said Dravid. "He has gone to the NCA and we are waiting for an official confirmation on the next steps.

"As of now, officially he is only ruled out of this series, and we will see what happens in the next 2-3 days but once we get an official confirmation, then we will be able to share that."

Quizzed further on the nature of Bumrah's injury, Dravid said, "I don't go deeply into the medical reports, I rely on the experts to tell me what it is.

"They ruled him out of this series and he is being assessed. You will know in due course what happens in the future. Till the time he is not officially ruled out, we will always be hopeful and we will hope for the best."

India fly to Australia on 6 October and will play two warm-up games against Australia and New Zealand ahead of the main tournament. Their T20 World Cup campaign begins on 23 October with a game against arch-rivals Pakistan in Melbourne.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/2833181?sf171099136=1
 
Doesn't have the longevity of Kapil or even Zaheer. So don't see it happening although he has all the capabilities to become one.
 
I don't think he should play. This can completely ruin his career if he plays with injury. The fitness test for elite players is often bogus. They desperately push these players to play with half fitness.
 
Mobashir said:
I don't know his stats in loi's in Australia but I remember him being hit all over the park by Steven Smith and not taking many wickets.
Don't think he was going to be that dangerous.
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He has the best record at the MCG for non Australian bowler better than Ambrose and the old bowlers.
 
Would take Zaheer over Shoaib Akhtar also by the same token.
 
Kianig89 said:
Would take Zaheer over Bumrah anyday
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That is only bcoz either you don't understand cricket or watch too much T20s. As things stands, Bumrah is a better red ball bowler in SENA countries compared to Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Sohaib's of the world. Infact, if he retires tomorrow, he would go down as best seamer EVER from Asia. You can still pick Zak (whom I love) over Bumrah anyday but unfortunately it would be only you.
 
Rajdeep said:
That is only bcoz either you don't understand cricket or watch too much T20s. As things stands, Bumrah is a better red ball bowler in SENA countries compared to Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Sohaib's of the world. Infact, if he retires tomorrow, he would go down as best seamer EVER from Asia. You can still pick Zak (whom I love) over Bumrah anyday but unfortunately it would be only you.
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Do we consider any context, probably you are an infant cricket fan Zaheer has bowled against the likes of Kallis Hayden Ponting Sangakarra etc also for fast bowlers consistency and longevity are important you live in stats world
 
jnaveen1980 said:
He has the best record at the MCG for non Australian bowler better than Ambrose and the old bowlers.
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jeeteshssaxena said:
Australia will host a t20 world cup not an ODI world cup.
Bumrah is a champion t20 bowler while Smith is a d grade t20 batsman.
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I also think Bumrah is a champion T20 bowler. Over the past few years he has not been far from the best in the format if not the best.
But it just feels he is not as dangerous as he was.
Even in ODI'S he was a champion but suddenly team started to play him a lot lot better.
 
Mobashir said:
I also think Bumrah is a champion T20 bowler. Over the past few years he has not been far from the best in the format if not the best.
But it just feels he is not as dangerous as he was.
Even in ODI'S he was a champion but suddenly team started to play him a lot lot better.
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He just doesn't play enough T20. Also he doesn't show intensity even in the IPL. But when he does he is a different beast. Honestly no bowler is a threat in T20 not even Rashid Khan in internationals. You can line up against pretty much any bowler. Bumrah has copped some severe thrashing from both Rishab Pant and Dinesh karthik in the IPL in the past. But we always have to think of best case scenario when we talk about guys like Bumrah as he can do literally on an absolute belter.
 
Anyone can read my views on Bumrah right from the start. I always said he should skip IPL to prolong his international career. Lots of fans were going after me at that time. This is what I was talking about. Do you understand now? I said this almost 4 years ago. :rabada2

It's ok though, most people don't have the ability to think that far. :kp :inti
 
Rabada and cummins are better bowlers already , a back stress fracture would make Bumrah detorriate even more.
 
Happy Birthday to Bumrah

Born: December 6, 1993 (age 29 years), Ahmedabad, India
 
If reports are to be believed, Jasprit Bumrah will not play in the ODI series against Sri Lanka despite BCCI adding him to the squad. The BCCI does not want to rush Bumrah back to action soon.

Bumrah was added to the India squad for the ODI series against Sri Lanka, however, after the recommendation of the NCA staff, the board has decided not to play him in the ODI series keeping the Test series against Australia and World Cup in mind.

Bumrah has been out of action since September 2022 and also missed the T20 World Cup in November last year. Sources say that Bumrah can return to the Indian team for the limited overs series against New Zealand where India will play three ODIs and as many T20Is starting January 18.
 
Ab Fan said:
All hail Jasprit Bumrah as the legend returns.
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Jasprit Bumrah ruled out of 3-match ODI series

Team India pacer Jasprit Bumrah has been ruled out of the upcoming 3-match ODI series against Sri Lanka. Bumrah, who was set to join the team in Guwahati ahead of the ODI series, will need some more time to build bowling resilience. This decision has been taken as a precautionary measure.

https://www.bcci.tv/articles/2023/n...h-ruled-out-of-3-match-odi-series?type=Latest
 
The plan was for Bumrah to undergo match-simulation workloads at the NCA before making his international comeback, and it is understood that he passed that test in Bengaluru. However, when he took on similar workloads two days in a row in Mumbai, he felt stiffness in his side.

So has he always played with no pain especially during IPL?
 
I really hope he recovers from the back episode. Bowler if such potential should not be lost to injuries. But he does need to stop playing tests. Ever since he started playing tests he has been having injuries.
 
India's precautionary measures of pulling Jasprit Bumrah out of the three-match ODI series against Sri Lanka might not be enough to make the pacer play the entire Border-Gavaskar Trophy against Australia. Bumrah is unlikely to feature in the entire New Zealand limited-overs series and at least the first couple of Test matches against Australia, reported a media source. Exactly a month before the first of the four Tests against Australia starting on February 9 in Nagpur, Bumrah was withdrawn from Sri Lanka ODIs on the eve of the series opener Guwahati after the right-arm seamer felt discomfort on his back.

It was anyway a late call to add Bumrah to the ODI squad for the Sri Lanka series. The selectors straightaway drafted him into the setup after getting a green signal from the National Cricket Academy (NCA) where Bumrah has been undergoing his rehabilitation for quite some time. But just when it was looking all rosy for Bumrah and India, the pacer felt some discomfort on his back in a match simulation training.

The 29-year-old fast bowler cleared the match simulation on the first day but complained of back issues when the load was increased the next day. The team immediately management decided to pull him out of the ODI squad, not taking any chances, keeping the Australia Tests, Asia Cup, and ODI World Cup in mind. The physios and support staff are doubly conscious after a decision to hasten Bumrah's return proved disastrous last year, ruling him out of the T20 World Cup. Bumrah played just a couple of T20Is against Australia in September after returning from a long injury layoff, only to hurt his back again.

However, if things go according to plan, the best Bumrah can manage is the final two Tests against Australia in Dharamshala and Ahmedabad in March. "After clearing those tests at the NCA last week, Bumrah had fresh bowling tests in Mumbai under the supervision of Nitin Patel, the head of NCA's sports science wing and the final authority on a player's fitness clearance. It was after those tests, combined with the scan results, that it was determined Bumrah would need more rehab time," the report said.

The report further added that Bumrah would require three more weeks of rest before he starts bowling at full tilt again, effectively ruling him out of the first half of the Australia Test series.

While talking about Bumrah, India captain Rohit Sharma said they have to be extra cautious with Bumrah because of the quality he brings to the table.

"It's an unfortunate incident with him [Bumrah]. The poor guy had been working very hard at the NCA all this time. Just when he got back to full fitness, he started bowling and everything, the last two days I think this incident happened where he felt a little bit of stiffness in his back. It's nothing major, it's just stiffness. [But] when Bumrah says anything we have to be very cautious about it. I thought it was important for us to make that decision then, to just pull him out. When we named him [in the squad], he was in the process of getting his workload done. We need to be very careful with him. He had a major injury before the [T20] World Cup. So we just need to be careful," he said ahead of the first ODI against Sri Lanka.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ests-vs-australia-report-101673323987236.html
 
Even after skipping so many matches he never seems to be fit, unfortunately will hurt his legacy big time
 
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Jasprit Bumrah's injury woes dealt quite a blow to India's chances to win two trophies in 2022. He had been ruled out of the Asia Cup as a precautionary measure considering the T20 World Cup later in the year but he ended up getting injured before the marquee tournament itself. In both tournaments, India failed to make it to the final, with Rohit Sharma's side getting knocked out after a 10-wicket defeat to England in the semi-finals of the T20 World Cup.

Bumrah has not played since September last year due to a back injury he suffered before the T20 World Cup. He was expected to make a comeback during India's ODI series against Sri Lanka but he ended up suffering another injury and was withdrawing from the squad at the last moment. Bumrah has not been included in the squad for the first two Tests against Australia but captain Rohit Sharma is hopeful that he will be able to join the team for the rest of the series.

Australia fast bowling great Jeff Thomson has said that Bumrah may have to take a call on whether he wants to prioritise limited overs cricket or Tests so as to prolong his career. He said that he understands players, particularly fast bowlers, having to take rest as they have to play all year long in mulitple formats, unlike what was the case back in his heydays. “There is so much cricket. They play all year round. We didn't do that. We used to play seasons, the summer season. Occasionally we would go to England for our winter. It was a long tour, four and a half months. But generally we just played the summer so we would gradually build up after Christmas full on. Because I knew I was going to get rest,” Thomson, who took 200 wickets in 51 Tests between 1973 and 1985, said on Revsportz.

“Now, you can't do that. So you have to pace yourself to be around. That's why they have all those back up bowlers and they rest people. In our day we didn't rest. If we had a rest someone else would take our spot. It is a matter of having to rest these days because it is a 12-month a year job.”

Thomson admitted that it would have been difficult for him to play Test cricket considering the shorter formats can help him prolong his career while earning a good amount of money.

“Well, (Bumrah) has to work out what he wants to play, short formats or Test matches or both. If I think about if I was playing now, it would be very hard for me to play Test matches. Especially, when you get so much money in the short version of the game which just makes your longevity better. We didn't have to think about money in our days because there was no money. Now it's a huge business. The only one who is going to look after you is yourself. So, you got to work out how long I am going to play for and how am I going to manage that because no one else is going to. I think you have to be more cunning these days in terms of workload and watch what you got to play. If you are good enough, they are going to pick you any way so you should be able to pull the strings,” he said.

Thomson said that regardless of what decision Bumrah makes, his standing as a great bowler lies in the fact that he will attract crowds regardless of what format he plays in. “I think it is the crowd that decides that. They know how good he is. If he doesn't want to play Test cricket that is a bit of a blow but if he plays in a T20, they will turn up to watch him. What I am telling you is that if a guy limited himself to that, he is going to be playing for longer,” he said.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...-message-for-india-pacer-101675362020214.html
 
aukhan said:
He is undoubtedly the best Indian pacer ever.
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How? He has played only a small number of matches to be even considered “great” anything. He is even below Ashish Nehra who was plagued with injuries, and obviously Nehra was quicker.

At the moment he’ll struggle to make it ahead of Ishant Sharma who was an utter failure for most of his career.

India need to move on and realise their only decent seam up bowlers are:

Siraj
Shami
Umran Malik
Arshdeep
 
2nd best pacer currently from India behind Dev.

If he can get to 400 international wickets at least than 25 average, he will become best ever. Remember, he is not allowed to bowl with tampered bowl due to multiple cameras on field so can get caught even if he did it once.
 
Bumrah might not be rushed for Australia ODIs

Jasprit Bumrah's recovery from stress fracture has been a slow one and the Indian team management is unlikely to risk playing him in the three ODIs against Australia just after the end of the four-match Test series.

Bumrah will be needed for the potential World Test Championship final at the Oval in London from June 7-11 and also for the big ODI World Cup in India at the end of the year.

Therefore, there is a possibility that Bumrah will return to play during Mumbai Indians' campaign at the IPL this year where his workload will be monitored.
 
Injury Management is an integral part of sports. That's what separates from the very best to good. Hence Shoaib Akther couldn't reach the level of Wasim Akram, Pandya will never be Kapil, Shane Bond couldn't become ATG, Mc.Grath is 10000 times more important than Brett Lee, etc.

So Bumrah for whatever skill & effectiveness he possesses, injury/fitness will always be a huge setback for him! At the end of his career I won't be surprised if Javagal Srinath will be more remembered than him!
 
Jasprit Bumrah Likely to Miss IPL 2023 And World Test Championship Final: Report

Premier India pacer Jasprit Bumrah is expected to miss the upcoming season of Indian Premier League and the final of World Test Championship as his comeback from injury might take some more time. Bumrah, who has been out of cricket since September 2022, missed major tournaments like Asia Cup and T20 World Cup last year. He has also failed to make the cut for the ongoing Border-Gavaskar Trophy which is crucial for India to get a place in World Test Championship final. Now his chances to play in IPL for Mumbai Indians in the upcoming season are very slim.

According to a report in Cricbuzz, Bumrah’s injury is quite serious as the BCCI sources have stated that he might miss a huge chunk of cricket in the coming months which might also include the WTC final if India managed to qualify for that.

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...d-test-championship-final-report-7170913.html
 
If he is able to maintain his performance yes. One cant be an ATG with 200 odd wickets. Need at least 350+ test wickets at sub 25 average to be an ATG.
 
Mohammad Amir on Bumrah's Injury - HT

"What I feel is that Bumrah consistently played cricket for a long time, across formats, and then played in the IPL as well, India too play cricket all around the year. He is human. At the end of the day, the body gets tired and it demands rest,"

"I always say back and knee injuries for a bowler are two which I wouldn't even wish for my enemy. It tends to end the careers of cricketers. I hope he is strong and is recovering well"
 
Jasprit Bumrah misses out from the WTC final squad for India as he continues his rehabilitation from a back injury.
 
Jasprit Bumrah's stellar form echoes warning shots for T20 World Cup rivals

India’s ace pace sensation has been showcasing outstanding performances with notable consistency so far in the ongoing season of the Indian Premier League.

With the ICC Men’s T20 World Cup 2024 in the West Indies and USA fast approaching, the ongoing IPL is going to play a vital role in helping teams determine their squads for the marquee event, which begins immediately after the conclusion of the T20 league on 1 June.

For India, Jasprit Bumrah is a certainty in their 15-member T20 World Cup squad, with a high likelihood of him featuring in the playing XI for all of India's games. Considering the form he's in, the pacer is poised to become one of India's key players at the tournament after missing out on the 2022 edition due to injury.

In his seven IPL matches so far, Bumrah has accounted for 13 wickets at a miserly economy of 5.96. He even holds the record for best innings figures in the tournament so far when he returned 5/21 against the Royal Challengers Bengaluru last week.

Following Thursday’s (18 April) thrilling clash against Punjab Kings, the Mumbai Indians bowler became the holder of the Purple Cap – awarded to the leading wicket-taker of the tournament. He returned 3/21 including a double-wicket over inside the Powerplay.

Bumrah has been used as one of his team's vital cogs for bowling in the death overs, however, the bowler also expressed his desire to make an impact early on in the innings.

"Of course, you want to make an impact early on when the ball does something," he said after Mumbai won a thriller against Punjab in the last over by nine runs.

"Because in this format, probably the ball does swing for the first two overs. And when I want to bowl more, I do play Test cricket. That is where all my desires for bowling more gets over. In this format, when the ball swings for the first two overs, you do want to make an impact and when the opportunity comes, I'm happy to contribute," he added.

In an IPL season marked by the record for the highest team total being broken thrice this year, also featuring numerous high-scoring games, Bumrah boasts the best economy rate in the tournament so far (minimum overs bowled: 3).

The pacer pointed out the rules which favour the batters, making T20 a challenging format for the bowlers and explained how he prepares to showcase his best in the shortest format.

"Obviously, this format is a little difficult for the bowlers because the batsmanship is going up," he said. "With the time restrictions [over-rate penalties] as well and the Impact Player rule, that does not help the bowler too much because the batting line-up becomes deeper and deeper and the bowler becomes half the bowler when you get an extra option.

"But I feel like all of those things are not in your control. What you can do is try to prepare to the best of your ability and back yourself in any situation because all of that will then put you in a good space of mind and you can go out there and execute with a smile on your face."

With top pacers from other teams like New Zealand's Trent Boult (current economy rate: 7.37), South Africa's Kagiso Rabada (8.32), Bangladesh's Mustafizur Rahman (9.15), Australia's Mitchell Starc (10.54) recording economy rates over 7, Bumrah has remained impeccable in keeping the batters in check.

The ICC Men's T20 World Cup begins on 1 June with a double-header day in Dallas and Guyana. India will kick off their campaign against Ireland in New York on 5 June.

ICC
 
Fast bowling in T20 requires certain level of smartness. Bumrah was exceptional. Infact his world T20 economy rate is 5. Just compare the ER of some elite fast bowlers in the 2 world T20

Starc 8.97
Rabada 8.74
Wood 8.45

Lot of other lesser bowlers have much better stats like Josh Little. Among the experienced only Boult is good when you combine wicket taking and ER combo. Nortje ER is 5.37.
 
Legendary Australian speedster Brett Lee believes that, apart from Jasprit Bumrah, pacers are struggling to deliver effective yorkers in the death overs, and he urges them to master this crucial skill:

"On a general rule, other than Jasprit Bumrah, we haven't seen enough fast bowlers nailing their yorkers recently."

"I want to see fast bowlers bowl more yorkers. I still don't reckon they execute enough yorkers at the death."

"If you look back at 17 years of Indian Premier League, on average a yorker goes for a strike rate of less than 100. Which tells me that one run or less per bowler that's executed."

"Now, when you bowl a yorker and you've got guys who can go down and scoop you over the head, well that puts pressure on you as a bowler."

"You've got to set in the right field and put two men back, third man fine and back and then bowl."
 
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