Cousin Marriages [Discussion Thread]

[Pakpak]

I think its disgusting but that's just me

 

[saj001]

Big NO!

 

[Ghazinator1313]

It all depends really. If you see your cousins as sisters, then don't marry them! LOL. But, that being said, there are many cases where cousins don't see each other as brother/sister. That may be with second cousins and sometimes even first cousins. It really is not as big a deal as some people make it sound. It all depends on the individual and their family. Also, as for people citing problems with reproducing, those usually only occur if there is repetitive cousin marriage within a family over and over again. At the end of the day, you will get married to whomever Allah has chosen for you ...and yes, that may very well be your cousin. lol

 

[Ghazinator1313]

In my experience, I have seen people, especially here in the US, be completely against cousin marriage, only to do a 180 once they saw their cousin was actually attractive. LOL. I think that's even worse.

 

[kingusama92]

In my experience, I have seen people, especially here in the US, be completely against cousin marriage, only to do a 180 once they saw their cousin was actually attractive. LOL. I think that's even worse.

)

I have seen this, as well.

Son: 'Ami, I would never marry my cousin'

Ami: At least, look at her. You haven't seen her for a while.

*Looks at picture of attractive cousin*

Son: 'Well... Ami, I don't want to go against your wishes.'

)

 

[Space Cat]

I heard somewhere that children with a 2nd cousin was actually worse genetically. Ether way i think its disgusting.

One only has to look at the history of the royal family to see the effects of cousin marriage.

 

[Keith]

Family is family, whether distant or not, it remains family.

So for me, NO!

 

[Namak_Halaal]

I cannot believe some of you are worried about the genetics.

Cousin or no cousin, marrying anyone can lead to genetic defects within off spring.

 

[Space Cat]

Its common practice in Tasmania i hear.

 

[Keith]

I cannot believe some of you are worried about the genetics.

Cousin or no cousin, marrying anyone can lead to genetic defects within off spring.

I agree with you but is the chance of a genetic disorder not more if you in-marry?

I ain't no doctor so I honestly do not know!!

 

[Indiafan]

I cannot believe some of you are worried about the genetics.

Cousin or no cousin, marrying anyone can lead to genetic defects within off spring.

Having sex can lead to STDs even with protection. So would you not use protection if you have a choice?

 

[Namak_Halaal]

Having sex can lead to STDs even with protection. So would you not use protection if you have a choice?

STDs? Protection?

I am talking about genetics and off spring; what are you refering to?

 

[Namak_Halaal]

I agree with you but is the chance of a genetic disorder not more if you in-marry?

I ain't no doctor so I honestly do not know!!

I only look at the population of the SC to realise that the risks of marrying within the family are clearly inflated.

 

[akheR]

I heard somewhere that children with a 2nd cousin was actually worse genetically. Ether way i think its disgusting.

One only has to look at the history of the royal family to see the effects of cousin marriage.

The last representative of the Habsburgs in Spain, Charles II, is an archetype:

...Dating to approximately the year 1550, outbreeding in Charles II's lineage had ceased (see also pedigree collapse). From then on, all his ancestors were in one way or another descendants of Joanna the Mad and Philip I of Castile, and among these just the royal houses of Spain, Austria and Bavaria. Charles II's genome was actually more homozygous than that of an average child whose parents are siblings. He was born physically and mentally disabled, and disfigured. Possibly through affliction with mandibular prognathism, he was unable to chew. His tongue was so large that his speech could barely be understood, and he frequently drooled. It has been suggested that he suffered from the endocrine disease acromegaly, or his inbred lineage may have led to a combination of rare genetic disorders such as combined pituitary hormone deficiency and distal renal tubular acidosis.

Consequently, Charles II is known in Spanish history as El Hechizado ("The Hexed") from the popular belief—to which Charles himself subscribed—that his physical and mental disabilities were caused by sorcery. The king went so far as to be exorcised.

 

[Usman]

I cannot believe some of you are worried about the genetics.

Cousin or no cousin, marrying anyone can lead to genetic defects within off spring.

I agree with you but is the chance of a genetic disorder not more if you in-marry?

I ain't no doctor so I honestly do not know!!

Read the earlier posts in this thread. I personally commented on some statistics, which although I don't know remember of by heart, I know they were quite damming.The science is something like this - if one grandparent has a recessive gene, this doesn't manifest itself with any disability in the grandparent's children. But there is a chance that the recessive gene would have been passed to both married cousins through their parent who got it from the grandparent. Once this happens, the possibility of disability in children is 25%. Thing is that if you marry outside the family, it is highly unlikely that you and your partner will both have the recessive gene.

There are also some quite shocking stats earlier in the thread about how the Pakistani community in the UK accounts for a huge percentage of disabled children in the population, despite being a small minority of the population.

 

[James]

Banging your cousin.

Uhhhhh no.

 

[anakin]

marrying cousins is never a good idea medically...
If the family has dormant defective gene .. the probability of the off springs having an active genetic disorder increases if both parents have it in dormant form.

Such a practice should be stopped at all costs.

 

[Dolphins]

I treat my cousins and look at them like my sisters so umm no I don't condone incest nor will I ever participate in it. Not to mention all the genetic defects in offsprings, cousin marriages possess. Ever wonder why many Pakistanis are genetically defected?

 

[Little Master]

I treat my cousins and look at them like my sisters so umm no I don't condone incest nor will I ever participate in it. Not to mention all the genetic defects in offsprings, cousin marriages possess. Ever wonder why many Pakistanis are genetically defected?

Do you have facts to back this ignorant claim?

 

[Dolphins]

Do you have facts to back this ignorant claim?

Take a look around Pakistan and you will see what I'm talking about. And yes there were some studies done on Pakistanis who married their cousins. A great percentage showed that their offsprings were born with serious genetic defects. I'll post them in a couple of hours after I get back home.

 

[TheSaint]

Not a serious poster here but couldn't resist this one.
I am a medical doctor (Specialist in Neurology) and working in the UK for the past 19 years. Yes.. I am OLD!! I have decent knowledge of Genetics and am heavily involved in research as well. No way am I an authority in the subject but without getting into science or quoting studies/ statistics, I will just put in my two cents or pence worth. I have been married to a First Cousin and luckily we have a fantastic, very bright , handsome and healthy son who attends a State Grammar School and InshaAllah will do as well if not better than most of his peers. We have asthma and diabetes in the family but none of us between the parents and my son are affected Alhamdolillah. The mother has a recessive trait for Thallasemia(minor) but I don't and therefore we could marry in the hope that we will have no chance of Thallasemia major in our off-spring which is how it worked out MashaAllah.
The point is about carrying out testing prior to pregnancy and also having knowledge about the subject. Unfortunately the risks involved are 2-3% higher as quoted earlier numerous times of getting an abnormal gene to present as an illness in an offspring of cousin marriages and this is NOT insignificant. This means at least a 30-40% higher chance as compared to controls. If we did manage to screen every individual cousin prior to marriage for most common known genetically modifiable or inherited illnesses which currently is not possible, we will be fine. But that is not currently possible. Also knowing our lack of education and knowledge about this or most subjects for that matter unfortunately, I would not recommend it as a first line option for most. From a personal perspective, I can assure you that even though the couple may look like a match made in heaven and families all know each other inside out. Family influence is actually a negative in married life and if problems creep in a relationship, the close knit family can break up very easily. This is worse if the families are very close to begin with as later an INVISIBLE but very REAL barrier comes in between them. My Advice.. Marry your cousin only if you really fancy them and they like you too. Have a look elsewhere if possible first... in all cases , make sure that Autism, Thallasemia and Diabetes is not a problem in your family and if it is.. get tested or easier.. look elsewhere. Walah Aalam Bis Sawab anyway.. nobody knows a lot.. as the quote goes.. 'Ouk imae idenai, ah mae oido!' The more you know, the more you know you don't now. Attributed to Socrates. Basically "the more I learn, the less I know"or "Wisest is he that knows he does not know"; the point being that the more you find out about something, the more you realise how complicated it is and that therefore you somehow 'know' less.

 

[kingusama92]

Not a serious poster here but couldn't resist this one.
I am a medical doctor (Specialist in Neurology) and working in the UK for the past 19 years. Yes.. I am OLD!! I have decent knowledge of Genetics and am heavily involved in research as well. No way am I an authority in the subject but without getting into science or quoting studies/ statistics, I will just put in my two cents or pence worth. I have been married to a First Cousin and luckily we have a fantastic, very bright , handsome and healthy son who attends a State Grammar School and InshaAllah will do as well if not better than most of his peers. We have asthma and diabetes in the family but none of us between the parents and my son are affected Alhamdolillah. The mother has a recessive trait for Thallasemia(minor) but I don't and therefore we could marry in the hope that we will have no chance of Thallasemia major in our off-spring which is how it worked out MashaAllah.
The point is about carrying out testing prior to pregnancy and also having knowledge about the subject. Unfortunately the risks involved are 2-3% higher as quoted earlier numerous times of getting an abnormal gene to present as an illness in an offspring of cousin marriages and this is NOT insignificant. This means at least a 30-40% higher chance as compared to controls. If we did manage to screen every individual cousin prior to marriage for most common known genetically modifiable or inherited illnesses which currently is not possible, we will be fine. But that is not currently possible. Also knowing our lack of education and knowledge about this or most subjects for that matter unfortunately, I would not recommend it as a first line option for most. From a personal perspective, I can assure you that even though the couple may look like a match made in heaven and families all know each other inside out. Family influence is actually a negative in married life and if problems creep in a relationship, the close knit family can break up very easily. This is worse if the families are very close to begin with as later an INVISIBLE but very REAL barrier comes in between them. My Advice.. Marry your cousin only if you really fancy them and they like you too. Have a look elsewhere if possible first... in all cases , make sure that Autism, Thallasemia and Diabetes is not a problem in your family and if it is.. get tested or easier.. look elsewhere. Walah Aalam Bis Sawab anyway.. nobody knows a lot.. as the quote goes.. 'Ouk imae idenai, ah mae oido!' The more you know, the more you know you don't now. Attributed to Socrates. Basically "the more I learn, the less I know"or "Wisest is he that knows he does not know"; the point being that the more you find out about something, the more you realise how complicated it is and that therefore you somehow 'know' less.

Excellent post, sir.

I think your post touches all the points required - genetics, personal experience, risks and need for testing.

 

[TheSaint]

Excellent post, sir.

I think your post touches all the points required - genetics, personal experience, risks and need for testing.

Hope it helps a few of my confused fellow PPers.. most would visit the thread looking for some answers and unfortunately there is no definite right or wrong answer here except exercising caution and I would not agree and also agree to disagree on this matter for both sides of the argument. As I said earlier.. More I learn, less I seem to know!!
Also I note the Fatwa type answer on the first page of the thread http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=2868928&postcount=54 very balanced and remarkably in keeping with my own views which maybe biased due to me being a Muslim and also having married a first cousin but on the other hand having a little more than average knowledge of the genetics involved etc. and being as they say " A Man of Science".

 

[endymion248]

Cousin Marriages in Pakistan

Although the issue is seen more in rural areas, especially among aristocratic families, it is a part of the national culture as a whole, so much so that the word is not even used. It is also seen in movies and dramas, where it is not a theme or not even commented, but seen as an issueless practice that, although adding accuracy to story, is not worthy of attention.

Of course, second or third cousins marriage also exists in the west but it is a unigenerational thing, as opposed to recurrent practice in Pakistan, which narrows down genetical diversity. And first cousin marriage is a no go while it is considered the most preferred form of marriage in the second case.

What are the causes of this? Maybe vestige of "zaat" mentality or autarsic rural culture?

 

[in_cutter]

Why is incest so prevalent in Pakistan?

Check out this thread

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=103731&highlight=Cousin+marriages

 

[endymion248]

Here are some strange stats (http://m.jyllands-posten.dk/jp/livsstil/sundhed/ECE4116348/flere-doedfoedsler-blandt-indvandrere/) that suggest 70% of marriages in pk are inbreeding.

Also, I know that a lot of people don't consider cousin marriage wrong. But, if your grand parents were randomly chosen among the 7 billions of human pop, or even one from each continent, even marrying a sibling, one off, would have less risks than marrying a first cousin when your family has been marrying mainly cousins for the last 8 generations. The issue is not really cousin marriage, which is permitted in most us states and islam according to most scholars, but inbreeding over several generations that is due to this cousin marriage culture, so that the genetical similarity is much more reduced than for conventional incest.

Ps: can a mod merge with other thread?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Because it isn't incest.

 

[TSA321]

Don't know, but it's not just Pakistan

 

[chaiwala]

inbreeding over several generations that is due to this cousin marriage culture, so that the genetical similarity is much more reduced than for conventional incest.

Yeah this is the main issue really. An isolated cousin marriage isn't really too risky. Still more risky than non-cousin marriage, but it's not substantial. But repeating it over generations makes it very risky. It is not much different than incest at that point.

 

[FusedBulb]

Although the issue is seen more in rural areas, especially among aristocratic families, it is a part of the national culture as a whole, so much so that the word is not even used. It is also seen in movies and dramas, where it is not a theme or not even commented, but seen as an issueless practice that, although adding accuracy to story, is not worthy of attention.

Of course, second or third cousins marriage also exists in the west but it is a unigenerational thing, as opposed to recurrent practice in Pakistan, which narrows down genetical diversity. And first cousin marriage is a no go while it is considered the most preferred form of marriage in the second case.

What are the causes of this? Maybe vestige of "zaat" mentality or autarsic rural culture?

Is incest practiced in modern day Jewish people?

 

[kingusama92]

Pakistan's issue is like the others have stated, multiple generations of cousin marriages.

I think only my dad and one of his older sisters (out of 7) got married outside of the family. Now all of their kids are getting married between each other.

Luckily, my parents are against the idea. Otherwise, it would have been a huge fight at home.

 

[kinventor]

I know my parents and grannd parents were not related to each other. Dont know about grand grand parents.

 

[endymion248]

Yeah this is the main issue really. An isolated cousin marriage isn't really too risky. Still more risky than non-cousin marriage, but it's not substantial. But repeating it over generations makes it very risky. It is not much different than incest at that point.

Exactly my point, those cousins end up with less genetic difference, not more than random incestuous in the west (outside alabama ).

On top of that, research suggests that women tend to be attracted more to men that are different from them, especially when ovulating. So, on top of that, they are less likely to have chemistry.

 

[akheR]

Thanks God my family never fancied it.

The powerful Hapsburgs dynasty lost their hold on Spain because, being a product of cousin marriages, that's how their last king Charles II looked/behaved (well, that's an extreme case)

The Hapsburgs ruled Spain from 1516 to 1700, presiding over the first global empire, but died out after generations of intermarriage, according to the first genetic analysis of the family.

The royal fashion of marrying relatives to preserve the dynastic heritage culminated in a monarch who was so genetically inbred that he was unable to provide an heir and power passed to the French Bourbons.

The dynasty was one of the most important and influential royal families in Europe - branches of the family ruled Austria, Hungary, Belgium, the Netherlands, the German empire and Spain.

Scientists have examined the family tree of the last of the Spanish Habsburgs, King Charles II, who died in 1700 at the age of 39, and discovered that, as a result of repeated marriages between close relatives, he was almost as inbred as the offspring of an incestuous relationship between a brother and sister or father and daughter.

The study found that nine out of 11 marriages over the 200 years were between first cousins or uncles and nieces, producing a small gene pool that made rare recessive genetic illnesses more prevalent.

Only half of the babies born to the dynasty during the period studied lived to see their first birthday, compared with about 80 per cent of children in Spanish villages at the time.

The study, published this week in the journal Public Library of Science One, indicated that Charles II suffered from two separate rare genetic conditions, which were almost certainly the result of his ancestors' marriage patterns and which effectively assured that the dynasty died out with him.

Nicknamed El Hechizado ("the hexed") because of his deformities, Charles II was not only inflicted with an extreme version of the Hapsburg chin, as immortalised in portraits by Titian and Velazquez, but his tongue was said to be so big for his mouth that he had difficulty speaking and drooled.

Historical accounts record that he also suffered from an oversized head, intestinal upsets, convulsions and, according to his first wife, premature ejaculation and his second wife, impotence.

"He was unable to speak until the age of four, and could not walk until the age of eight. He was short, weak and quite lean and thin," said Gonzalo Alvarez, of the University of Santiago de Compostela, who led the study.

"He looked like an old person when he was 30 years old, suffering edemas [swellings] on his feet, legs, abdomen and face. During the last years of his life he could barely stand up and suffered from hallucinations and convulsive episodes," he said.

The scientists concluded that medical problems of Charles II were not random but could be symptoms of two genetic disorders; an inherited thyroid deficiency, and renal tubular acidosis, a type of kidney failure that can cause metabolic problems.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...anish-Habsburg-dynasty-new-study-reveals.html

The Western world isn't much into cousin marriage, it simply is a cultural issue, the whole tradition of the "hero who conquers his fiancée far away from the kingdom (family/village)" you find in tales or the Greek/Roman mythology (Zeus and Europa) simply shows that exogamy has always been the rule. In fact, French sociologist Emmanuel Todd says that if democracy took place in France/countries on the north than France, it's because of exogamy (would be too complicate to elaborate here), and that's why southern Europe had a dictatorship as late as 1975 (Spain's Franco), even if southern Europe is less and less into endogamy, thanks more to socio-economic structural changes (rise of middle-class, ...) than culture though.

Amongst the famous men marrying their cousin, I think Darwin and Eistein did it.

 

[Space Cat]

Marrying your cousin is just laziness.

 

[Indiafan]

Some of the factors which existed, which made marrying a cousin a necessity, are they still relevant in modern times? Like sharing family money, etc?

 

[The Dark Corner]

I am strictly against it.

Put in the extra effort and find a gal outside the family chaps.

I also dislike any family interference when it comes to marriage.

I've seen examples of arranged marriages where the aunts, uncles, grandparents, friends get involved. Absolutely ridiculous.

 

[kinventor]

The good news is even if you are result of cousin marriage then marrying someone unrelated will mean your children will be fine.

 

[Hasan]

The general view, as least among the shia scholars, is that Shariah does not forbid marriage between first cousins, but there are opinions advocating against them mainly due to a probable risk of the offspring inheriting genetic defects/diseases.

There is obviously the example of the Hazrat Fatima who (in consultation with his father, Prophet Mohammad PBUH) rejected many proposals before accepting Imam Ali (first cousin) as her husband; but this union is holds a unique position and was not intended to be an example for all Muslims to follow.

 

[TM Riddle]

its disgusting tbh

 

[Jo_Don]

The good news is even if you are result of cousin marriage then marrying someone unrelated will mean your children will be fine.

I don't know why, but for some reason I just started laughing when I read that

 

[kinventor]

I don't know why, but for some reason I just started laughing when I read that

lol

There is hope for inbred people children's after all. But in subcontinent because of caste system many genetic traits stay with you. So the best thing is to not only marry to someone unrelated but also from different caste.

 

[90MPH]

I think a lot depends on class, culture, and education.

Example the well educated Pakistanis in Britain that I know are married outside the family whereas those that are less educated or not doing as well financially, especially areas like Birmingham and Bradford are more likley to.

Not sure if its the same pattern in Pakistan or other countries but that's the situation it seems here in the UK.

 

[mani1]

I think a lot depends on class, culture, and education.

Example the well educated Pakistanis in Britain that I know are married outside the family whereas those that are less educated or not doing as well financially, especially areas like Birmingham and Bradford are more likley to.

Not sure if its the same pattern in Pakistan or other countries but that's the situation it seems here in the UK.

Leeds cousins marriage child deaths link

nearly eight percent of child deaths in Leeds could be linked to “cousin marriage”.

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co....-cousins-marriage-child-deaths-link-1-6144431

 

[mani1]

I think a lot depends on class, culture, and education.

Example the well educated Pakistanis in Britain that I know are married outside the family whereas those that are less educated or not doing as well financially, especially areas like Birmingham and Bradford are more likley to.

Not sure if its the same pattern in Pakistan or other countries but that's the situation it seems here in the UK.

Pakistanis are not doing so well financially any where in the UK especially London despite what it says in wikipedia.

London's leading children's hospital today warned that the number of babies with birth defects will soar because of a rise in first-cousin marriages among immigrants.
Great Ormond Street said it was preparing to treat more children born blind or deaf, and genetic disorders such as cystic fibrosis and sickle cell anaemia, conditions which seriously affect people all their lives.

Doctors said growing numbers of people from Asian countries such as Pakistan, where marriages between first cousins are more common, were expected to settle here.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/birth-defects-will-rise-as-cousins-wed-6505957.htm

 

[90MPH]

Leeds cousins marriage child deaths link

nearly eight percent of child deaths in Leeds could be linked to “cousin marriage”.

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co....-cousins-marriage-child-deaths-link-1-6144431

I wasn't targeting Bradford or Birmingham, just in these Brit Pakistanis it seemed to me when I went there were overall doing much less well.
Of course there are other towns like Luton, high whycome etc where they are doing not that well either and this practice goes on as well there.

I think overall there seems to be more educated Pakistanis with better jobs and businesses around London than up North - just my opinion. There maybe lots of reasons for this such as more jobs, better schools, more emphasis to education from the families, thier background and class etc.

 

[Haroon786]

Hopefully not. Although I would much rather get a. Love marriage than an arranged or assisted marriage.

 

[mani1]

I wasn't targeting Bradford or Birmingham, just in these Brit Pakistanis it seemed to me when I went there were overall doing much less well.
Of course there are other towns like Luton, high whycome etc where they are doing not that well either and this practice goes on as well there.

I think overall there seems to be more educated Pakistanis with better jobs and businesses around London than up North - just my opinion. There maybe lots of reasons for this such as more jobs, better schools, more emphasis to education from the families, thier background and class etc.

According to the Government stats Pakistanis in London are only better of than Bengalis

Low-paid work was most prevalent amongst employees of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin, with 2 out of 5 employees paid below the London Living Wage. This was more than twice the rate for White British employees. Unemployment rates for Pakistanis and Bangladeshis were lower than some of the other ethnic groups here as this graph on unemployment by ethnicity illustrates, although this graph shows that for many the work taken was low paid

http://www.londonspovertyprofile.org.uk/indicators/topics/low-pay/low-pay-by-ethnicity/

 

[kaayal]

This is also an issue among the Indian muslim community.my mom's family had this practice going on for ages,to prevent their family wealth going on to outsiders hand.but when the younger generation got educated,elder people couldn't control them.there was also a case of serious genetic defect in one of the babies born.thereby,cousin marriage got a slow death in my family.
tbh,i can't even imagine marrying a person whom i considered brother for this long and also it's not anything mandatory in Islam.so why can't we go for other options?

 

[akheR]

Some of the factors which existed, which made marrying a cousin a necessity, are they still relevant in modern times? Like sharing family money, etc?

To "keep the wealth in the family (or tribe/clan)" is the main reason for endogamy/cousin marriages.
How do you think Jews got so rich.

 

[90MPH]

According to the Government stats Pakistanis in London are only better of than Bengalis

Low-paid work was most prevalent amongst employees of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origin, with 2 out of 5 employees paid below the London Living Wage. This was more than twice the rate for White British employees. Unemployment rates for Pakistanis and Bangladeshis were lower than some of the other ethnic groups here as this graph on unemployment by ethnicity illustrates, although this graph shows that for many the work taken was low paid

http://www.londonspovertyprofile.org.uk/indicators/topics/low-pay/low-pay-by-ethnicity/

Fine there are quite a few doing poor in these areas as well but there are lot that much more successful in business, jobs and education. I know so many personally not just in my own town but in West London as well.

 

[Nostalgic]

Certain diseases are hereditary. Like infertility. If your parents never had children, it is quite likely you won't have any children either. Especially if your spouse's parents were also infertile.

 

[Jo_Don]

Certain diseases are hereditary. Like infertility. If your parents never had children, it is quite likely you won't have any children either. Especially if your spouse's parents were also infertile.

 

[Pak_Jazba]

Certain diseases are hereditary. Like infertility. If your parents never had children, it is quite likely you won't have any children either. Especially if your spouse's parents were also infertile.

 

[DW44]

Certain diseases are hereditary. Like infertility. If your parents never had children, it is quite likely you won't have any children either. Especially if your spouse's parents were also infertile.

My new facebook status.

 

[Mamoon]

I'm strictly against first cousin marriages but second cousin marriage is perfectly fine.

I have a massive crush on my second cousin as well.

 

[Mamoon]

Certain diseases are hereditary. Like infertility. If your parents never had children, it is quite likely you won't have any children either. Especially if your spouse's parents were also infertile.

Is this an illusion

 

[Haroon786]

Wait can someone explain first cousin and second cousin pls?

 

[mithun_minhas]

It still happens in South India especially Andhra Pradesh.
My Telugu friend recently married his cousin (Maternal Uncle's daughter).

For people who understand Telugu, there are songs which romanticize the love between a boy and his cousin. Even today, Telugu movie industry still makes movies glorifying this cousin marriage concept. I find it absolutely disgusting.

 

[Anfield]

Wait can someone explain first cousin and second cousin pls?

your father or mother's brother/sister's children are your first cousins. Your parents 1st cousin children would be your second cousin.

 

[Anfield]

Quite prevalent amongst many families in Pakistan!

 

[Haroon786]

your father or mother's brother/sister's children are your first cousins. Your parents 1st cousin children would be your second cousin.

Thanks, btw congrats on the sucess in the EPL.

 

[endymion248]

Hopefully not. Although I would much rather get a. Love marriage than an arranged or assisted marriage.

Start the groundwork now.

 

[Haroon786]

Start the groundwork now.

Ok senior

 

[endymion248]

Señor Chang for you.

 

[PakGirl!]

Frankly can't visualise marital relations with my cousins!

I would never marry any of my cousins..

 

[Anfield]

Frankly can't visualise marital relations with my cousins!

I would never marry any of my cousins..

That's what everyone says before marrying a cousin.

I have seen cousins marriages where the girls had been calling her husband bhai (brother) all her life. So weird!

 

[Mamoon]

That's what everyone says before marrying a cousin.

I have seen cousins marriages where the girls had been calling her husband bhai (brother) all her life. So weird!

Yeah that's hilarious

Therefore, its better to stop thinking of them as siblings as its very wrong to think of them that way because legally and religiously, its perfectly acceptable to marry them.


Why consider someone a sibling when he or she is not?

Don't narrow down options

 

[Nostalgic]

There was a PTV serial where the Sahira Kazmi character kept calling the Rahat Kazmi character "Adeel Bhai." They were already married in real life. People were upset at the incestuous implications of said mode of address.

That pales in comparison to when Usman Peerzada's character divorced Sameena Peerzada's character in a PTV serial. They remained married in real life, although some were of the opinion that having uttered the triple talaaq, they were in fact divorced and therefore living in sin ever since.

 

[Anfield]

Yeah that's hilarious

Therefore, its better to stop thinking of them as siblings as its very wrong to think of them that way because legally and religiously, its perfectly acceptable to marry them.


Why consider someone a sibling when he or she is not?

Don't narrow down options

If you are 18 and she is 8 how else would you see your cousin? You would see her as your younger sibling unless you're a child molester.

 

[Anfield]

There was a PTV serial where the Sahira Kazmi character kept calling the Rahat Kazmi character "Adeel Bhai." They were already married in real life. People were upset at the incestuous implications of said mode of address.

That pales in comparison to when Usman Peerzada's character divorced Sameena Peerzada's character in a PTV serial. They remained married in real life, although some were of the opinion that having uttered the triple talaaq, they were in fact divorced and therefore living in sin ever since.

let's not go by what our Mullahs say. If your name is Muhammad and you garbage some piece of paper where you wrote your name. you apparently committed blasphemy.

 

[Mamoon]

If you are 18 and she is 8 how else would you see your cousin? You would see her as your younger sibling unless you're a child molester.

If the age gap is massive then its fine but not when you are of the same age

 

[PakGirl!]

That's what everyone says before marrying a cousin.

I have seen cousins marriages where the girls had been calling her husband bhai (brother) all her life. So weird!

I don't call my male cousins bhai lol,they are all close friends but I have never really thought of them in that way!and I won't prefer marrying them but that's just me..

 

[endymion248]

If you are 18 and she is 8 how else would you see your cousin? You would see her as your younger sibling unless you're a child molester.

So, unless you see every random kid on the street as a sibling, you are a child molester? There is a world between someone being a sibling and being sexually attracted to someone.

 

[PakGirl!]

Yeah that's hilarious

Therefore, its better to stop thinking of them as siblings as its very wrong to think of them that way because legally and religiously, its perfectly acceptable to marry them.


Why consider someone a sibling when he or she is not?

Don't narrow down options

Well if you are taking it religiously then let me tell you,it's wrong to think of them..PERIOD!

 

[TM Riddle]

Mamoon you are sick

 

[Anfield]

I don't call my male cousins bhai lol,they are all close friends but I have never really thought of them in that way!and I won't prefer marrying them but that's just me..

good for you lol and since you posted Malik smilie.. I have to say this as well.. stay away from internet marriages too. LOL!

 

[Haroon786]

Well if she he has the right assets why not?

 

[endymion248]

If he intends not to have sex or kids, adopt, use sperm or egg donor, not really.

 

[endymion248]

good for you lol and since you posted Malik smilie.. I have to say this as well.. stay away from internet marriages too. LOL!

Slow down there, Di Caprio.