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Would you like to see Dean Jones as Pakistan Head Coach?

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dean Jones has applied for the position of Pakistan Head Coach <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1162792922850439170?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Misbah and Deano were part of the IU setup that won twice in three years, so this should be interesting if it comes between the two.

Deano gets along with the players, especially the younger ones, so I would opt for him.
 
Seems like the best choice from the sorry options available.
 
He probably stands a good chance given his track record with IU.

In addition he has a relationship with Pakistan cricket and Pakistan cricket fans.
 
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I hope Deano gets the job! I preferred him over Arthur a few years back too. Arthur wasted time and money.
 
Been wanting Deano to coach Pakistan for many years, he'll be a great choice. He understands the Pakistani mentality well, has experience working with IU and most Pakistanis love him. The bad news is that, he'll very soon start getting hatred because of team performances.
 
Shaddy86 said:
Been wanting Deano to coach Pakistan for many years, he'll be a great choice. He understands the Pakistani mentality well, has experience working with IU and most Pakistanis love him. The bad news is that, he'll very soon start getting hatred because of team performances.
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Or for selecting Faheem Ashraf... :))
 
Shaka81 said:
Better choice than Misbah. At least he has experience of coaching!
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Why not Misbah and DJ together - with DJ doing the planning - MuH helping out in some way - as an understudy.
 
Anyone would be better than Misbah if PCB is seriously considering him.

I might be wrong but Deano comes across as a little temperamental which is dangerous if you are Pak's coach.
 
Snowflake said:
Right? Yeah, I don't see him many friends in the team.
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I'm sure he'd get along with people, but when things go awry, I'm not sure how he'd react.

Mickey has a similar nature but he had previous experience of coaching an international team and knew what he'd be dealing with. Deano doesn't have that on his CV, he's nowhere near as accomplished a coach.

But one thing that we can see from his tenure at IU is that he backs his players.
 
The thing with Deano is that he won't take any nonsense from PCB and is definitely not a yes-man. This could be a problem when it comes to the Pakistan team.
 
And another candidate with no international coaching experience.
 
Abdullah719 said:
I'm sure he'd get along with people, but when things go awry, I'm not sure how he'd react.

Mickey has a similar nature but he had previous experience of coaching an international team and knew what he'd be dealing with. Deano doesn't have that on his CV, he's nowhere near as accomplished a coach.

But one thing that we can see from his tenure at IU is that he backs his players.
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It's easy to get along with our players when everything is going fine. But sadly, our lot is still soft and not used to the tough love that is a part of the Aussie culture.

Anyway, I wanted Mickey to stay as I thought he had given us the right direction to build towards. But Deano might be a good choice too
 
Saj said:
The thing with Deano is that he won't take any nonsense from PCB and is definitely not a yes-man. This could be a problem when it comes to the Pakistan team.
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High time PCB changes its ways instead of hiring people who would conform to its unprofessional behavior
 
He is not good choice.

I would like to see who others have applied before arriving at any decision.
 
This will be a mistake. on his own he will not be able to gel the team. Dean jones has some similar issues personality wise as javed miandad
 
MenInG said:
Why not Misbah and DJ together - with DJ doing the planning - MuH helping out in some way - as an understudy.
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Would Dean Jones want someone there who could potentially be his replacement. Might undermine his position.
 
Would be a terrible choice as head-coach. Hopefully PCB use their brains and appoint Hesson.
 
Dean Jones would be the perfect coach, a man who during his tenure as Islamabad head coach has had a terrific understanding with the local players, and advocates the return of cricket to Pak.

And let's not forget as an Aussie he will help mediate between the two boards and who knows the Aussies might come for a tour.
 
I wonder what is Dean Jones overall strategy for Pakistan Cricket in terms of team selection, game plans etc.
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dean Jones has applied for the position of Pakistan Head Coach <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1162792922850439170?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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HIRE him! Right now
 
Markhor said:
And another candidate with no international coaching experience.
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He's also never coached a First Class or long format team- only little cameos in T20 tournaments. Being in charge of men for years at a time is an entirely different proposition. He is untested in this regard so it is a risk. Me may turn out good, but he'd be learning on the job in some regards.
 
Shaka81 said:
Would Dean Jones want someone there who could potentially be his replacement. Might undermine his position.
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Believe it or not it is standard practice in most parts of the world for coaches to have assistants who learn by their side.

The head coach knows full well that one day these assistants will want to be head coaches somewhere themselves but they do it to help the assistants in their careers, for the good of the game in the country & overall. If they are so insecure that they fear everyone around them then they are too insecure to do any good in the position anyway. They are the boss, not some fearful schoolgirl.
 
I was quite interested regarding Jones as PAK coach about a decade back (precisely after Lawson was sacked and then again before Whatmore was appointed), but since then guy hasn't added much in his resume. He was one of the best ever ODI batsmen and a top class Test batsmen as well, with experience of over two decades in Counties & Shields, which is enough experience for such high profile jobs, but guy is now 58, with very little serious coaching experience - something will hunt him every moment in PAK cricket media circle, if eventually appointed. Surely, PAK is going to lose some games whoever is Coach/Captain and Jones with his experience (lack of it) as Coach, will always be on firing line; PCB as well for appointing him.

I read, he completed his Level 3 (or 4) Badge from Queensland Academy, which probably is the highest level coaching badge along with MCC Level 4, therefore technical qualification isn't any issue. He was a brilliant thinker of the game, once appointed Australian VCaptain (would have been Captain as well, but for the suspicion of dodgy acts), and a great analyst, but his coaching career based on PSL (read T20) credits ZERO Value to me. On potential, I don't mind him, but 58 is the age when International coaches plan to retire, not start career.

Personally, I think it's too late now - PCB should either appoint a former great (Misbah looks to be front runner) which will be easier to justify regardless of team's performance; or go for a reputed known face, with distinguished playing career; like Andy, Lehman, Moody or Mahela to keep PAK cricket media sane.
 
MMHS said:
I was quite interested regarding Jones as PAK coach about a decade back (precisely after Lawson was sacked and then again before Whatmore was appointed), but since then guy hasn't added much in his resume. He was one of the best ever ODI batsmen and a top class Test batsmen as well, with experience of over two decades in Counties & Shields, which is enough experience for such high profile jobs, but guy is now 58, with very little serious coaching experience - something will hunt him every moment in PAK cricket media circle, if eventually appointed. Surely, PAK is going to lose some games whoever is Coach/Captain and Jones with his experience (lack of it) as Coach, will always be on firing line; PCB as well for appointing him.

I read, he completed his Level 3 (or 4) Badge from Queensland Academy, which probably is the highest level coaching badge along with MCC Level 4, therefore technical qualification isn't any issue. He was a brilliant thinker of the game, once appointed Australian VCaptain (would have been Captain as well, but for the suspicion of dodgy acts), and a great analyst, but his coaching career based on PSL (read T20) credits ZERO Value to me. On potential, I don't mind him, but 58 is the age when International coaches plan to retire, not start career.

Personally, I think it's too late now - PCB should either appoint a former great (Misbah looks to be front runner) which will be easier to justify regardless of team's performance; or go for a reputed known face, with distinguished playing career; like Andy, Lehman, Moody or Mahela to keep PAK cricket media sane.
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I have changed my mind on Jones - because I am now more clear on what is needed for Pakistan to thrive.

Nothing technical. You have batting, fielding and bowling coaches for that.

Simply, a never say die attitude.

Problem with Misbah is that he pre decided which matches he would win and which he won't. So going into Aus/SA, he had given up before entering the series. In UAE/Eng/Sri Lanka etc, he calculated he had a good chance and gave it everything.

In ODI's, he pre decided block-first-30-overs/then attack strategy and didn't waver even the world around him changed.

His other problem is that he believes in the myth that he was a great captain. He was very, very good but in some conditions.

Therefore, if Jones has this attitude of never giving up and standing up in the key moments to give his team confidence, and as a player he had it, then he is my man.
 
It's no surprise that some folks have started drooling as soon as a foreigner's name is mentioned.

Not sure what it is, inferiority complex or something.

IND has stuck with Shastri, and it has paid dividends. Our awaam and some people here think that a foreigner is the answer to everything.

That logic did make sense when the local guys were Mohsin, Miandad, etc. Now we have a great local, professional option in Misbah, who beats every foreigner because of so many reasons.

I'm sure people wth a vision like Wasim Khan realize this and would make the right call.
 
MMHS said:
I was quite interested regarding Jones as PAK coach about a decade back (precisely after Lawson was sacked and then again before Whatmore was appointed), but since then guy hasn't added much in his resume. He was one of the best ever ODI batsmen and a top class Test batsmen as well, with experience of over two decades in Counties & Shields, which is enough experience for such high profile jobs, but guy is now 58, with very little serious coaching experience - something will hunt him every moment in PAK cricket media circle, if eventually appointed. Surely, PAK is going to lose some games whoever is Coach/Captain and Jones with his experience (lack of it) as Coach, will always be on firing line; PCB as well for appointing him.

I read, he completed his Level 3 (or 4) Badge from Queensland Academy, which probably is the highest level coaching badge along with MCC Level 4, therefore technical qualification isn't any issue. He was a brilliant thinker of the game, once appointed Australian VCaptain (would have been Captain as well, but for the suspicion of dodgy acts), and a great analyst, but his coaching career based on PSL (read T20) credits ZERO Value to me. On potential, I don't mind him, but 58 is the age when International coaches plan to retire, not start career.

Personally, I think it's too late now - PCB should either appoint a former great (Misbah looks to be front runner) which will be easier to justify regardless of team's performance; or go for a reputed known face, with distinguished playing career; like Andy, Lehman, Moody or Mahela to keep PAK cricket media sane.
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Misbah is antithesis of natural Pakistani style of cricket which involves flair and passion. He is rated highly simply because of dull, abysmal UAE wickets which only suited him. Just look at the non contracted players selected for training camp under his command.
Dean Jones had a distinguished carrier himself (was better batsman than Misbah) so one less thing for media to talk about. Although, PCB should not be making decisions based on media reactions anyways.
 
Dean Jones is exactly what Pakistan cricket team needs. He has shown personal interest in Pakistan cricket, is aware of the culture and mindset of our players and most importantly, he has the right personal attributes to coach Pakistan team.
He is among the best technical analyst of the game out there. PCB should just appoint him and be done with it.
 
I wouldn't want Dean Jones as my coach even if he wants to do it for free. If you really want to go for an aussie coach then go for Tom Moody. He has already worked with Sri Lankan team. Personally I would like to see guys like Nathan Astle, Damien Martyn, Attapattu, Jayawardene and Sangakara take up coaching roles of some teams as well. :inti
 
Given that Pakistan has a test tour and a T-20 world cup coming up in Australia, Dean jones can be the perfect appointment by the pcb.
 
Hawkeye said:
It's no surprise that some folks have started drooling as soon as a foreigner's name is mentioned.

Not sure what it is, inferiority complex or something.

IND has stuck with Shastri, and it has paid dividends. Our awaam and some people here think that a foreigner is the answer to everything.

That logic did make sense when the local guys were Mohsin, Miandad, etc. Now we have a great local, professional option in Misbah, who beats every foreigner because of so many reasons.

I'm sure people wth a vision like Wasim Khan realize this and would make the right call.
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He can get rid of any player under 30 and bring experience players from late 90s.
Yousuf, Razzak, Zulfi, Rehman, Gul, Sami, Faisal, Farhat, Kamran didn't retire yet but have plenty of experience.
Who cares of Babar, Sadab, Hasnain, Imam.....? They are too young to play in an international level.
 
Not a bad choice, if Misbah loses the coaching positiion to him i wouldnt mind.


Infact, i would even prefer a duo if Misbah has a good working experience with Dean Jones.

Lets see.
 
Dean Jones should be given the job for his enthusiasm alone.

Everytime the Pakistan coaching position opens up (every 2 years), he applies. Wonder why he hasn't been given the gig at least once yet?
 
Think there are better options available. It's a bit worrying how he isn't getting loads of offers in Australia.
 
What Pakistan should do is if they are to pick another foreign coach maybe this time have a Pakistani assistant coach next to him. Be it Misbah or someone else. It can not only help the coach in the short run, it can help Pakistan in the long run too.
 
He is it he best candidate for the job, has done great with work with ISB. I hope he gets the job!!
 
Andy Flower, Mike Hesson...these aret he guys that should be courted, no Dean Jones.
 
Might as well consider nasser Hussain or Geoffrey boycott if it’s love for Pakistani cricket as the only criteria
Need to stop the romantic notion about Pakistani flair and concentrate on getting results which is what misbah did
 
Would prefer it was Dean Jones or Misbah. Best for both of them involved.

Would want someone who actually wants to coach Pakistan and is passionate about Pakistani cricket. Not just their 5th choice. Mickey was so clueless in asian conditions and past Pakistani cricket, it's as if he just took the job because no Western team wanted him. And gets the best team on paper for at least the earlier seasons, Karachi Kings for PSL, a chance to prove against the other coaches that he indeed is the best coach for Pakistan and fails.

I said before i wanted Dean Jones with Misbah as assistant. But do wonder maybe it was mostly Misbah behind IU too, and Misbah as head coach is better. And a local coach clearly has an advantage over a foreign coach in terms of language, domestic connections and experience of asian conditions where we play 70% of matches. If Misbah was just a few years older (hence less overlap with current players) and a domestic team coached under his belt with the relevant coaching qualifications, I'd choose him in a heartbeat.

He could have course easily have all that in just a few years, but of course the job opportunity is open now can't wait for him to do that. I also have doubts Dean will be as effective with Misbah not there.

I do agree with posters though that generally we should mostly be having local coaches. Players mostly speak in urdu, their English isn't great, and domestic isn't as easy to connect with as a foreign coach and asian conditions are vastly different to non-asia. If anything Pakistan should be the country most reliant on local coaches due to these reasons, yet we keep favouring foreign coaches.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Big news to be announced by the end of the week!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/staytuned?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#staytuned</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/whatcanitbe?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#whatcanitbe</a></p>— Dean Jones AM (@ProfDeano) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProfDeano/status/1166180263820320768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Sir-fraz said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Big news to be announced by the end of the week!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/staytuned?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#staytuned</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/whatcanitbe?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#whatcanitbe</a></p>— Dean Jones AM (@ProfDeano) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProfDeano/status/1166180263820320768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Congrats, Dean Jones.

Varun said:
Dean Jones should be given the job for his enthusiasm alone.

Everytime the Pakistan coaching position opens up (every 2 years), he applies. Wonder why he hasn't been given the gig at least once yet?
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Hope it isn't Dean.

Wasim Khan should act more mature than that. Just because he's a foreigner and can speak great English, shouldn't be the criteria to be a coach.

Misbah will be 100x better. In fact, Dean Jones can come as an assistant to Misbah. Wouldn't mind ISLU success in the national team.
 
Deano (like Misbah) has no experience of Coaching an International side, what does he bring to Pakistan apart from being a foreigner
 
Hawkeye said:
Hope it isn't Dean.

Wasim Khan should act more mature than that. Just because he's a foreigner and can speak great English, shouldn't be the criteria to be a coach.

Misbah will be 100x better. In fact, Dean Jones can come as an assistant to Misbah. Wouldn't mind ISLU success in the national team.
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Lol. The desperation. So if Wasim Khan picks anyone other then Misbah he's not mature. Lamo. The fan club of shameless Misbah.
 
LordJames said:
Deano (like Misbah) has no experience of Coaching an International side, what does he bring to Pakistan apart from being a foreigner
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Ravi Shaatri, Justin Langer, Mike Hessen, Darren Lehman, Russel Domingo, Gary Stead(Current NZ coach) etc have never coached an international team before their first assignment as well. So theory regarding Misbah not having coached an international side before is not on.

Coming to Deano, even in PSL he looked to be adapting cricket culture of Pakistan, system and players mindsets much better than the other foreign coaches we have seen in PSL. Dean Jones knows cricket and can be pretty decent with Pak team alongside Misbah.
 
Dean Jones is going to be the next Punjab King head coach I think
 
Hawkeye said:
Hope it isn't Dean.

Wasim Khan should act more mature than that. Just because he's a foreigner and can speak great English, shouldn't be the criteria to be a coach.

Misbah will be 100x better. In fact, Dean Jones can come as an assistant to Misbah. Wouldn't mind ISLU success in the national team.
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Bro if you really love Misbah and his oldies selection why not watch Veteran/Master cricket league? Why you want to destroy our cricket?
 
Shafi said:
Bro if you really love Misbah and his oldies selection why not watch Veteran/Master cricket league? Why you want to destroy our cricket?
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Misbah is the best avaliable choice. It would be a huge mistake to perfer Dean Jones over Misbah
 
Deano is either going to be the Batting Coach or Head Coach.

I reckon it'll be the former for him and latter for Misbah.

I laugh at all those vouching for Misbah because the guy doesn't even meet the pre-requisites required to be an international coach, but in Pakistan there's no respect for meritocracy, so we'll happily accept garbage like Waqar, Mohsin Khan et al.
 
Titan24 said:
Ravi Shaatri, Justin Langer, Mike Hessen, Darren Lehman, Russel Domingo, Gary Stead(Current NZ coach) etc have never coached an international team before their first assignment as well. So theory regarding Misbah not having coached an international side before is not on.

Coming to Deano, even in PSL he looked to be adapting cricket culture of Pakistan, system and players mindsets much better than the other foreign coaches we have seen in PSL. Dean Jones knows cricket and can be pretty decent with Pak team alongside Misbah.
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Good post.

Shafi said:
Bro if you really love Misbah and his oldies selection why not watch Veteran/Master cricket league? Why you want to destroy our cricket?
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Your posts are all irrational these days, driven only by the dislike for Misbah.

If you set aside that hate, you and [MENTION=141839]moghul[/MENTION], then you might see the light.

No, he doesn't prefer oldies. Also, he made ISLU the best PSL side and vouched for all the youngsters. In fact, ISLU has played more number of newcomers than any other PSL team.

That's a false narrative based on the age of Misbah, which is laughable and irrational, because even at his age, Misbah was the fittest guy and our best performer.

Besides, coaching is a separate job and Misbah has great man management skills. He also commands tons of respect. No politics, understands the game, our system.

Like Justin Langer and Shastri, who had no intl coaching experiences, Misbah too will be a top choice.
 
topspin said:
Deano is either going to be the Batting Coach or Head Coach.

I reckon it'll be the former for him and latter for Misbah.

I laugh at all those vouching for Misbah because the guy doesn't even meet the pre-requisites required to be an international coach, but in Pakistan there's no respect for meritocracy, so we'll happily accept garbage like Waqar, Mohsin Khan et al.
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What are those pre requisites and as mentioned earlier how Ravi Shastri, Darren Lehman etc were fulfilling those pre requisites?
 
Hawkeye said:
Good post.



Your posts are all irrational these days, driven only by the dislike for Misbah.

If you set aside that hate, you and [MENTION=141839]moghul[/MENTION], then you might see the light.

No, he doesn't prefer oldies. Also, he made ISLU the best PSL side and vouched for all the youngsters. In fact, ISLU has played more number of newcomers than any other PSL team.

That's a false narrative based on the age of Misbah, which is laughable and irrational, because even at his age, Misbah was the fittest guy and our best performer.

Besides, coaching is a separate job and Misbah has great man management skills. He also commands tons of respect. No politics, understands the game, our system.

Like Justin Langer and Shastri, who had no intl coaching experiences, Misbah too will be a top choice.
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Then why Misbah vouched Azhar Ali as a captain but didn't select him when Misbah himself was a captain?
Why he selected 42+ Rifatullah?
Why he didn't want S Afridi in Pakistan squad?
Also, he benched Babar at the first PSL
 
Shafi said:
Then why Misbah vouched Azhar Ali as a captain but didn't select him when Misbah himself was a captain?
Why he selected 42+ Rifatullah?
Why he didn't want S Afridi in Pakistan squad?
Also, he benched Babar at the first PSL
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Didnt Select Azhar Ali? He debuted and played almost 90% of his career matches under Misbah.

So no credit for him to select Babar Azam in IU but blame for not playing him more matches?

What about producing and playing high number of youngsters in IU setup? IU was the only team playing more than one emerging player as well during Misbah's tenure.

If he is so influential in sections then why not give him credit for selecting Sharjeel Khan, Shadab Khan, Zafar Gohar, Amad Butt, Rumman Raees etc
 
Titan24 said:
What are those pre requisites and as mentioned earlier how Ravi Shastri, Darren Lehman etc were fulfilling those pre requisites?
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A lot more than just sipping chai like your main man does.
 
topspin said:
A lot more than just sipping chai like your main man does.
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Sorry didnt get the answer. What are those pre requisites and how Shastri and Lehman fulfilled those? Kindly share facts rather than emotions.
 
Titan24 said:
Sorry didnt get the answer. What are those pre requisites and how Shastri and Lehman fulfilled those? Kindly share facts rather than emotions.
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Lol what emotions? - I just don't take you seriously on this matter, as I'll mention again - earlier this year you wanted Mickey Arthur to be sacked and you vouched for MHK to be his replacement.

I know you will deny this or run away, as you did with my last post addressed to you (couple of days ago).
 
Khan12 said:
Don't bother with them. Blind supporters, they say we want to improve then they want someone like Misbah, Mohsin etc as coach.
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Exactly. It's this kind of mentality that is holding our cricket back.

I rather they just said "we don't want a foreign coach" rather pretend the basis of their preference is in the best interests of Pakistan cricket.
 
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