DGISPR issues open challenge to Indian army to share locations of targeted 'terror camps' [Post#198]

[rhony]

You need to shut your mouth. I am from Azad Kashmir and live about 50KM from the LOC. I have relatives who live in Tatta Pani sector which is next to LOC and where regular firing takes place. Don't your dare call us jihadis and terrorists just because we live on our own land. Why shall we relocate our lands for and go amd beg somewhere else.
You Indians are a disgrace killing civilian and then coming up with such crap. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Relax Azad warrior. It is the responsibility of the government to safe guard it's citizens. Can't claim the victim card forever and then stay put at the same time. There is firing going on. It has been for years and that's the reality. I don't see the firing stopping for a few years. Isn't it stupid to be in harm's way voluntarily? What y'all need is pragmatism. You have choice between a few rupees and death. For majority of people living is more important. If you don't, then u don't deserve to play victim. Tell your relatives to pack their bags and move on and live if they are innocent. As far as jihadis go, they get paid to live there and have chosen to die already. Help your relatives

 

[kk1992]

This holier than thou attitude is what repels me sometimes.

So according to you, Muslims hold entitle to say anything they wish but if a non Muslim makes a remark on the same token, those Muslims will get offended.

In your eyes, it isn't hypocrisy but for the rest of the people, it is. Don't dish it when you can't take it. Simple life mantra.

Aren’t you displaying what you are trying to preach again?

Read again slowly and get off of your padestal.

I responded to a person who believe a Muslim of a Islamic country has no right to talk about secularism. Reall? Probably the most dumbest and stupid defense when their support for RSS is exposed.

You are absolutely correct, this holier than thou attitude is probably the most disgusting quality of Indians at display on this forum and others.

 

[rhony]

*** are you even talking about??
You do realise that heavy artillery can go 30km into Pakistan's territory??? How are you supposed to relocate so many people??
If they think they're safe then they can relocate themselves but the fact is that they have their businesses there so it's not possible for them to relocate.
And why are you only mentioning Pakistan???
Why do IO kashmiris get killed in cross border firing too? Why doesn't the indian government relocate them??
Is india hiding terrorists too???

According to your DG ISPR, they only target Indian bunkers and not civilians. So there is no need for relocation now is it? Unless you believe Pak is shelling in residential areas too in which case nobody can claim to be victims. Anyway, here's some news on it

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/10/01/asia/kashmir-tensions-evacuations/index.html

 

[big_gamer007]

Two pages and 100+ posts all about point scoring and blaming each other. No mention for family of people who lost their lives and no condolences.
Then people wonder why we have problems. Both sides have accepted this is normal and people dying is ok. Human lives don't matter in our part of the world, but hey it's better than Africa or middle East atleast.

Anyways, RIP to loss of innocent lives on both sides. Hope God give their families strength.

 

[Cypher]

According to your DG ISPR, they only target Indian bunkers and not civilians. So there is no need for relocation now is it? Unless you believe Pak is shelling in residential areas too in which case nobody can claim to be victims. Anyway, here's some news on it

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/10/01/asia/kashmir-tensions-evacuations/index.html

Pakistan hits civilians by accident which is evident by the number of deaths on india's side.
1-2 civilians max vs 7-10 civilians on Pakistan's.

This shows who's careless and who's not.

Half knowledge is dangerous.

As for the relocation part, pakistan has relocated many civilians who are near the LOC to safer locations and has built bunkers for the ones who have chosen to stay.
If you're going to fire 30KM INTO Pakistan' territory, there's not much what we can do.

So instead of blaming Pakistan, STOP SHOOTING AT CIVILIANS ON PURPOSE

 

[kk1992]

Two pages and 100+ posts all about point scoring and blaming each other. No mention for family of people who lost their lives and no condolences.
Then people wonder why we have problems. Both sides have accepted this is normal and people dying is ok. Human lives don't matter in our part of the world, but hey it's better than Africa or middle East atleast.

Anyways, RIP to loss of innocent lives on both sides. Hope God give their families strength.

No one is accepting it as a norm.

Indian are trying to find excuse to justify their government and army atrocities against Kashmiri Muslims and their aggregation against Pakistan created on false facts.

Pakistani are highlighting Indian killing, raping, blinding Kashmiris and Pak army defending their border.

The only people who are trying to score points and confuse the facts are Indian.

 

[IMMY69]

Indians in mental breakdown.

They have been lied to so often they can’t distinguish fact from fiction.
Brain washed

 

[kk1992]

Indians in mental breakdown.

They have been lied to so often they can’t distinguish fact from fiction.
Brain washed

Lol.

And they demand other to fall in line, like, don’t talk about fake Secularism of India. Really?

You support RSS and BJP, you can not be secular if you support a government and extremists group that is openly radicalized and give bhashan daily on how to control minorities.

Big A lol

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

The facts is indian has attacked pakistani territory, so they have once again started this.

I will be really concerned to fly in indian planes, modi and co seem to think its acceptable .

Just imagine if iran did what india did with the airplane and today attacking pakistan. The whole western world would be jumping up and down.

Pak need to raise this at the UN. These indians are shifty..

 

[PakLFC]

India never accepts its soldiers are killed other then in so called "terrorist" attacks. It is only if you look at tweet's by Indian soldiers that they accept many have been killed by cross border shelling and attacks by our boys. In any war their are casualties on both sides something that India does not understand. When the ragtag Taliban have killed many American's in Afghanistan then the professional Pak army must have taken many more Indian's out. Websites like ndtv.com are biased to the core because they want to give their people a false sense of bravado and security.

 

[KingKhan12]

Relax Azad warrior. It is the responsibility of the government to safe guard it's citizens. Can't claim the victim card forever and then stay put at the same time. There is firing going on. It has been for years and that's the reality. I don't see the firing stopping for a few years. Isn't it stupid to be in harm's way voluntarily? What y'all need is pragmatism. You have choice between a few rupees and death. For majority of people living is more important. If you don't, then u don't deserve to play victim. Tell your relatives to pack their bags and move on and live if they are innocent. As far as jihadis go, they get paid to live there and have chosen to die already. Help your relatives

No one claiming victim card. But don't claim us civilians who your army target as jihadis. Bunch of cowards and liars. No one is going to leave their homes lands businesses and relocate.

And what you mean tell my relatives to move on if they are innocent. So by them living their they are terrorist and jihadis. Are you out of your mind you coward. Their fathers forefathers have done alot to make businesses or source of income and you expect them to give it all up and go somewhere else. You got People on your side of JK too living too they don't relocate and get killed why don't you tell them.
And no one is playing victim card but just clarifying your lies by calling us civilians as jihadis and terrorists. Go and celebrate and boast about killing few civilians and few Pakistani soldiers. We don't need to fall on your level and celebrate the 9 deaths of your soldiers or if any civilians on your side died too.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This shelling and killing nonsense needs to stop.

Any attack by India over the LOC should be responded by missiles targetting their bases. They will soon stop.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Remind me who is on FATF grey list for terror financing?

Obviously because of Indian lobbying and the western need to keep the pressure on Pakistan. What india calls terrorists are legitimate freedom fighters in Kashmir (which as per UN resolutions is a “Disputed” territory). Hence India has no right to be there in the first place.

If India is confidant, then it should held a referendum and let kashmiri people decide!

 

[Local.Dada]

Obviously because of Indian lobbying and the western need to keep the pressure on Pakistan. What india calls terrorists are legitimate freedom fighters in Kashmir (which as per UN resolutions is a “Disputed” territory). Hence India has no right to be there in the first place.

If India is confidant, then it should held a referendum and let kashmiri people decide!

You mean the remaining Kashmiri people because Pandits were driven out of the valley,weren't they? so how can it be a fair plebiscite?

 

[Finisher]

So why is pakistan on FATF list for terror financing?

Why are UN designated terrorists roaming around in pakistan?

Yeah Pakistan is on the Fatf grey list so having terror Camps within Indians Soldiers eyesight makes sense.

 

[Local.Dada]

India never accepts its soldiers are killed other then in so called "terrorist" attacks. It is only if you look at tweet's by Indian soldiers that they accept many have been killed by cross border shelling and attacks by our boys. In any war their are casualties on both sides something that India does not understand. When the ragtag Taliban have killed many American's in Afghanistan then the professional Pak army must have taken many more Indian's out. Websites like ndtv.com are biased to the core because they want to give their people a false sense of bravado and security.

What are the odds it happens on the other side as well.

 

[waqar goraya]

I have read some Indian posts here with strange justifications. Some of the statements such as following ones are cringe worthy.

Shelling just happens along the LOC. This is normal thing.

People should move out of these areas so that they don't get killed because of Indian firing.

These things usually happen in Kashmir. Violence in normal in that land.

 

[Knight_Rider]

You mean the remaining Kashmiri people because Pandits were driven out of the valley,weren't they? so how can it be a fair plebiscite?

Even if you include pandits, the majority of Kashmiris will still vote for not being part of India.

 

[Lonewarrior]

I have read some Indian posts here with strange justifications. Some of the statements such as following ones are cringe worthy.

Shelling just happens along the LOC. This is normal thing.

People should move out of these areas so that they don't get killed because of Indian firing.

These things usually happen in Kashmir. Violence in normal in that land.

and no one wants to talk the bloody nose they got in return of thre so called sirgikal shtrike 0.3, no condolence for indian army men. 9 dead bodies and several injured, my gosh. everyone is avoiding. humiliation after humiliation.

 

[Pete Rose]

Guy please believe the folks who (1) hit up some trees (2) can’t provide any footage of the strike (3) claimed they haven’t lost a single plan before abhinandan showed up on TV (4) hid bring down their own helicopter till after the election and (5) fudge their GDP growth rate.

 

[Local.Dada]

Even if you include pandits, the majority of Kashmiris will still vote for not being part of India.

Even if you? really. Plebiscite could have been possible had the Pandits been living there peacefully. If majority voted for a separate country then sure, either the Pandits could continue living as a minority or if they were feeling persecuted they could have moved. Unfortunately, the extreme steps taken by the majority cannot end with a plebiscite. I am not being a warmonger just stating logic.

Also here is another issue the separatists in Kashmir have used an extreme form of religion as a tool to fight. Now even if they become independent, not sure how many would be able to run a basic business or have the basic understanding of economics, technology,diplomacy etc.

That will just lead to another Taliban like backward state that is neither good for India nor Pakistan. Unfortunately, religious extremism has ruined Kashmir so now it is too sensitive a situation for them to have self-rule. it's either this way or that way for them. May be in a 50-100 years once they kind of assimilate with the normal society maybe they can think of independence.

 

[DoosraTeesra]

The Indian common sense seems to take a flight when it comes to Pakistan. The hive mentality to hate hate hate take effect immediately without ever questioning the authorities of their claims.

Is Pakistan stupid that they would keep alleged "launchpads" near the LOC?

Is Pakistan stupid when Imran Khan himself said so that anyone venturing from AJK to IOK would be enemy of Pakistan?

Is Pakistan stupid when it is trying to raise Kashmir issue worldwide would facilitate the inflitration of so called terrorists when you know there are 900,000 indian occupational troops in the valley. What objective they gonna achieve anyway?

Is India that incompetent that despite having multiple layers of security along the LOC they can't seem to control any infiltration if so happens?

Does India not ever realize why hostilities and cease fire violations always increases whenever there is an election in India especially when a hateful bigoted nationalistic party is to trying to get more votes from the gullible?

Ask these questions to yourselves indians.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This shelling and killing nonsense needs to stop.

Any attack by India over the LOC should be responded by missiles targetting their bases. They will soon stop.

And India will respond with more missiles. This bravado will work in Balochistan and FATA, not on a nuclear armed nation with twice the size of armed forces and many times the resources.

 

[PakLFC]

What are the odds it happens on the other side as well.

10/10 or 100%.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yeah Pakistan is on the Fatf grey list so having terror Camps within Indians Soldiers eyesight makes sense.

Artillery fire goes more than 30km.

 

[PakLFC]

And India will respond with more missiles. This bravado will work in Balochistan and FATA, not on a nuclear armed nation with twice the size of armed forces and many times the resources.

Its funny how a brit is advising a near bankrupt economy to fire missiles at a nuclear armed neighbour thats is bigger in size, armed forces and resources.

...and we will hit you back even harder. The bigger the country the more spaces to exploit. We all know how great your crying soldiers are. Good or bad economy when we attack you it's gonna make you scream no matter what.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Even if you include pandits, the majority of Kashmiris will still vote for not being part of India.

You know thay how?

Will the non muslims and shias vote for Pakistan?

 

[PakLFC]

In any war many more jets will be needed to defend India then Pak. It's simple commonsense , right Abhinandan??

 

[cricketjoshila]

In any war many more jets will be needed to defend India then Pak. It's simple commonsense , right Abhinandan??

Lol. Your jets will be cannon fodder if they enter Indian airspace. With Rafales being inducted and S400 coming in few months, PAF will come nowhere near indian borders.

Abhinanadan took a 50yr old jet inside Pakistan chasing F16s.

 

[KingKhan12]

Lol. Your jets will be cannon fodder if they enter Indian airspace. With Rafales being inducted and S400 coming in few months, PAF will come nowhere near indian borders.

Abhinanadan took a 50yr old jet inside Pakistan chasing F16s.

Well we entered in February and got out and had you guys in state of shock and scared that you guys ended up shooting your own aircraft down.

 

[globalcitizen]

Ah yes, the Indian army is the only army on the planet that is beyond reproach. I mean US soldiers, etc. have been found committing atrocities like Abu Gharib, etc. But Indian soldiers are unique and the way they have handled Kashmir should be studied as best practice. There is so much information out there on how to deal with change, such as dialogue, empowerment, etc. and the Indian military has used all of this when dealing with Kashmir. /sarcasm over

Lol you are delusional. No military is beyond reproach, they are all a bunch of *****. And whether you think Kashmir is an internal issue or not, one thing no one can argue against is that Kashmir is one of the worst examples of how not to handle a situation. It should be studied for all time as one of the worst examples in recent history.

If Pakistan army was professional, then no army will allow its own country to be a haven for terrorists for so long. Pakistan has been on FATF for long time now and it’s mainly the job of army and police to get these elements eliminated.
every time pakistan stays on FATF after a review, it’s your army and police who has to be the culprit.
It should not take a genuine army or police force long to get rid of these terrorists. The world is watching now, let’s see what your army does now. Just arresting a few Terrorists and keeping them in five star prisons won’t do this time.

By the way we are not talking about skills of army, I have no doubt both the Indian and Pakistani forces are equally skilled and capable.

 

[sjahmed23]

Lol. Your jets will be cannon fodder if they enter Indian airspace. With Rafales being inducted and S400 coming in few months, PAF will come nowhere near indian borders.

Abhinanadan took a 50yr old jet inside Pakistan chasing F16s.

Are you sure they won't be used to shoot down other Indian aircrafts??? I wouldn't trust your military with any advanced hardware those guys are too trigger happy and shoot down their own helis.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well we entered in February and got out and had you guys in state of shock and scared that you guys ended up shooting your own aircraft down.

No you didnot cross the LoC. Your own ISPR said that.

Indian jets went to Balakote, came back unchallenged.

The only thing you guys could shootdown was a 50yr old jet that chased away F16s and went into pakistan.

 

[PakLFC]

Lol. Your jets will be cannon fodder if they enter Indian airspace. With Rafales being inducted and S400 coming in few months, PAF will come nowhere near indian borders.

Abhinanadan took a 50yr old jet inside Pakistan chasing F16s.

You don't have the pilots to do well with Rafale's or anything you have. We all know how poor your pilots are or ask the Americans. Abhinandan came and was caught red handed then beaten up, everyone knows it! Our jets went inside India during the said episode returning safe and sound. Musharraf came inside India during the Kargil war and we will do again so stop us if you can.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Lol. Your jets will be cannon fodder if they enter Indian airspace. With Rafales being inducted and S400 coming in few months, PAF will come nowhere near indian borders.

Abhinanadan took a 50yr old jet inside Pakistan chasing F16s.

i asked you thousand times that show me the proof of shooting down F-16 ? or else be quiet

 

[globalcitizen]

The reports from local media, statements from local government and police officials and more importantly local residents paint a different picture of the ‘professional Indian army’.
Of course all of this must be fictional including all the names of the casualties??

Ok it’s totally believable when DG ISPR says that Indian army raised white flag yesterday for no apparent reason. It’s not fictional I get it.

 

[Local.Dada]

Ok it’s totally believable when DG ISPR says that Indian army raised white flag yesterday for no apparent reason. It’s not fictional I get it.

Also not sure why everything has to be put out as a tweet

 

[Hamza_]

As always, Indian nationalists are coming up with joker-esque stuff.

But then again, what can you expect from people who have actually chosen modi as their leader.

 

[Slog]

Yes. Pakistan was not hiding OBL.

So , do you accept/believe that Pakistan's inteligence is so incompetent that they could not know the location of world's most wanted terrorist hiding in an open compound a mile away from military base ?

It might be.

Similarly how Indian intelligence could not locate bunch of people supposedly coming on ramshackle boats to india’s Biggest city

 

[cricketjoshila]

You don't have the pilots to do well with Rafale's or anything you have. We all know how poor your pilots are or ask the Americans. Abhinandan came and was caught red handed then beaten up, everyone knows it! Our jets went inside India during the said episode returning safe and sound. Musharraf came inside India during the Kargil war and we will do again so stop us if you can.

Your jets didnot cross the LoC. Your own ISPR said this not me.

Indian jets went to balakote and came back.

 

[Patriot]

If Pakistan army was professional, then no army will allow its own country to be a haven for terrorists for so long. Pakistan has been on FATF for long time now and it’s mainly the job of army and police to get these elements eliminated.
every time pakistan stays on FATF after a review, it’s your army and police who has to be the culprit.
It should not take a genuine army or police force long to get rid of these terrorists. The world is watching now, let’s see what your army does now. Just arresting a few Terrorists and keeping them in five star prisons won’t do this time.

By the way we are not talking about skills of army, I have no doubt both the Indian and Pakistani forces are equally skilled and capable.

What the bloody hell are you on about. Bizarre response!!! Since when have I mentioned the Pakistani military lol. Both the Pakistani and Indian armies are unprofessional.

FATF is about implementing control and recommendations. Just a really bizarre reply.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indian COAS’ statement claiming destruction of 3 alleged camps in AJK is disappointing as he holds a very responsible appointment. There are no camps let alone targeting those. Indian Embassy in Pakistan is welcome to take any foreign diplomat / media to ‘prove’ it on ground.1/2.</p>— DG ISPR (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1185991716861612032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The propensity of false claims by senior Indian military leadership especially since Pulwama incident is detrimental to peace in the region. Such false claims by Indian Army are being made to suit vested domestic interests. This is against professional military ethos.2/2.</p>— DG ISPR (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1185991718656712705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Lonewarrior]

Why Surgical Strike takes place only before elections? Congress leader Akhilesh Singh questions Indian COAS

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is a valid QUESTION carrying an answer in itself. Not all can be fooled that too through a repeatedly failed fake narration.<br>A point which Indian COAS needs to ponder and also refrain. <a href="https://t.co/bYGRSS3WMx">pic.twitter.com/bYGRSS3WMx</a></p>— Asif Ghafoor (@peaceforchange) <a href="https://twitter.com/peaceforchange/status/1186013454781554690?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Knight_Rider]

Your jets didnot cross the LoC. Your own ISPR said this not me.

Indian jets went to balakote and came back.

Ahem, ahem. Don’t forget the fantastic Tea!

 

[KingKhanWC]

And India will respond with more missiles. This bravado will work in Balochistan and FATA, not on a nuclear armed nation with twice the size of armed forces and many times the resources.

Ill repeat...

India failed to respond after Pakistan in broad daylight targetted areas and casually flew out taking back one of your pilots. India stopped it's drama. RSS government will try hit and run tactics but will bottle it if things get series.

Pakistan needs to act much stronger.

 

[KingKhan12]

Your jets didnot cross the LoC. Your own ISPR said this not me.

Indian jets went to balakote and came back.

They did get your facts right instead of lying as usual. Your brave and strong IAF got so. Scared and shaken that they ended shooting their own aircraft hahahaha.
And poor Abhi thought he can chase the Pakistan airforce and got taken out like a kid. Don't worry Bollywood movie is being made so you can change your narrative again and stick to one once the movie is out.

 

[Rana]

It might be.

Similarly how Indian intelligence could not locate bunch of people supposedly coming on ramshackle boats to india’s Biggest city

Mate they all came together on the boats and casually got into Taxis and straight to their locations like it was there own mohalla. Then it took 6 hours for ‘especial forces’ to reach from Delhi to deal with them.

I feel sorry for the innocent civilians of this nation who are being protected by these clowns

 

[Rana]

Ill repeat...

India failed to respond after Pakistan in broad daylight targetted areas and casually flew out taking back one of your pilots. India stopped it's drama. RSS government will try hit and run tactics but will bottle it if things get series.

Pakistan needs to act much stronger, missile the terrorist army in self defence, they will think twice in future.

India responded by what the Rock would say by “Knowing their roles and shutting their mouths”.

No response after the broad daylight humiliation yet some guys will say “Bohot hard, Bohot hard”.

 

[PakLFC]

Your jets didnot cross the LoC. Your own ISPR said this not me.

Indian jets went to balakote and came back.

We showed Abhinandan where as you did nothing but a broken part of some aircraft. You only bought down tree's unable to show any people killed. We certainly crossed the LOC make no mistake about it. You did not show our pilot you claimed to have captured.

 

[Waseem]

The Indian common sense seems to take a flight when it comes to Pakistan. The hive mentality to hate hate hate take effect immediately without ever questioning the authorities of their claims.

Is Pakistan stupid that they would keep alleged "launchpads" near the LOC?

Is Pakistan stupid when Imran Khan himself said so that anyone venturing from AJK to IOK would be enemy of Pakistan?

Is Pakistan stupid when it is trying to raise Kashmir issue worldwide would facilitate the inflitration of so called terrorists when you know there are 900,000 indian occupational troops in the valley. What objective they gonna achieve anyway?

Is India that incompetent that despite having multiple layers of security along the LOC they can't seem to control any infiltration if so happens?

Does India not ever realize why hostilities and cease fire violations always increases whenever there is an election in India especially when a hateful bigoted nationalistic party is to trying to get more votes from the gullible?

Ask these questions to yourselves indians.

I actually came to this thread to post this, thank you.

I don't believe every piece of news i read in Pakistan newspapers about capture of some random RAW agents in Pakistan or Indians crossing LOC to kill people for no reason but I do assess things on case to case basis.

Do Indians really believe some terrorists are being trained in camps right next to border so Indian forces can just throw bombs and destroy them whenever they want? I mean these so called terrorists have hundreds of camps where they train day and night to do what EXACTLY? Just in last one year India has carried out several such attacks (conveniently before their elections) but what do these so called terrorist really do? There has been one alleged attack in Pulwama and that too was carried out by local Kashmiri boy. Let's even suppose Pakistan trains these to attack India then why would on earth would they create these camps right on border where India could just throw some bombs and kill them when they want? Does it make tiny bit of sense even???

 

[Mesozoic]

The way my Padosi brothers milk the February incident makes it seem like it's the only achievement in their military history. Even Somalia and Syria of all countries managed to shot down US and Russian jets respectively. Not trying to undermine or anything like that. All these fake bravado about the so called aerial superiority came for nothing in 71 and 99 and it won't matter in the future.

 

[sweep_shot]

MUZAFFARABAD: Six civilians and a soldier of the Pakistan Army embraced martyrdom while two soldiers and at least nine civilians were wounded in Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) after Indian troops resorted to “indiscriminate and ruthless” shelling from across the Line of Control (LoC) past midnight “without any provocation”, civil and military officials said on Sunday.

In a befitting response, Pakistan Army effectively targeted Indian positions across the dividing line, destroying two Indian bunkers, killing nine Indian soldiers and injuring several other troops, according to Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor, director general of the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR), the media affairs wing of Pakistan army.

The ISPR chief identified the martyred soldier as Lance Naik Zahid.

The civilian and military officials said the Nauseri sector, in Muzaffarabad district, and its adjoining Jura and Shahkot sectors, in Neelum valley, were attacked by Indian troops without pause from midnight onwards, using field artillery, mortars and tracer munition to brazenly target civilians.

Prime Minister Imran Khan strongly condemned the unprovoked firing by the Indian occupation forces. He prayed for eternal peace of those martyred and early recovery of the injured, a PM Office statement said.

Mr Khan also saluted the valour of the Pakistan Army for giving a befitting response to the Indian forces.

Giving details of the casualties, Deputy Commissioner Badar Munir told Dawn that three persons lost their lives and two were injured after a shell hit their house in Nauseri sector’s Nosadda village. He identified the deceased as Haji Azam, 60, his son Mohammad Rafaqat, 28, and Haji Sarfraz, 47, son of Ghulam Rabbani. Elsewhere in the Nauseri sector, two labourers — Liaquat Ali, 35, from Mardan and Yasir, 30, from Attock — were killed when a shell hit a link road where they were working, he said. In Kanoor village of Nauseri sector, two women and a man were injured, he added.

In Neelum valley, a shopkeeper, Zafar Khan, 45, was killed, said Akhtar Ayub, a disaster management officer based in district headquarters Athmuqam. He added that four women were injured in Jura village.

According to him, Indian shelling destroyed 39 houses and 28 shops and partially damaged 93 houses and 60 shops. Besides, 16 vehicles, including four motorcycles, were also damaged, he said.

Indian claims rejected

Pakistan rejected India’s claim that they had “smashed four terror launch pads” in Neelum valley in the artillery fire by the Indian Army as a “pack of lies”.

In a statement, Foreign Office rejected Indian media reports about targeting “launch-pads” along the LoC. Calling upon P5 countries “to ask India to provide information about the alleged launch-pads”, the FO expressed willingness to arrange a visit of the P5 diplomats to those locations to expose Indian falsehood. “Heinous targeting of civilians is a typical attempt by India to divert international attention from the humanitarian nightmare in India-occupied Jammu and Kashmir,” the FO added.

In response to a similar claim by the Indian army chief, the ISPR DG tweeted: “Indian COAS’ statement claiming destruction of 3 alleged camps in AJK is disappointing as he holds a very responsible appointment. There are no camps let alone targeting those. Indian Embassy in Pakistan is welcome to take any foreign diplomat / media to ‘prove’ it on ground. The propensity of false claims by senior Indian military leadership, especially since Pulwama incident, is detrimental to peace in the region. Such false claims by Indian Army are being made to suit vested domestic interests. This is against professional military ethos.”

The DG ISPR said the Indian army was struggling to pick bodies and evacuate its injured soldiers. “Indian army [is] raising white flags. This, they should think before initiating unprovoked ceasefire violations and respect military norms by avoiding to target innocent civilians. Indian army shall always get a befitting response to ceasefire violations. Pakistan army shall protect innocent civilians along LoC and inflict unbearable cost to Indian army. Indian lies to justify their false claims and preparations for a false flag operation will continue to be exposed with full truth,” he said.

The AJK premier in a similar tweet said: “Indian claim that it has destroyed any training camps in Azad Kashmir in overnight shelling is as rubbish as their claim regarding [the] Balakot attack. We have repeatedly offered [that] AJK is open to everyone unlike IOK which has always been a no go area for foreign media and observers.”

Mr Haider also posted photos of the victims of the Indian shelling as well as those of the destroyed shops along the main road in Jura, and asked Indian army chief to behave like a soldier and not like a Bollywood film writer. “Whenever savage Indian troops target and kill non-combatant civilian population along the LoC, they lie through their teeth to justify serious breach of all international laws, conventions and military norms,” the AJK premier said.

Indian charge d’ affaires summoned

Meanwhile, in Islamabad India’s Charge d’ Affaires Gaurav Ahluwalia was summoned to the Foreign Office by Director General (SA&SAARC) Dr Mohammad Faisal, who condemned the “unprovoked ceasefire violations by the Indian occupation forces” along the LoC in Jura, Shahkot and Nauseri sectors.

Civilian populated areas along the LoC and Working Boundary have been constantly targeted by the Indian forces with artillery fire, heavy calibre mortars, and automatic weapons. This escalation in ceasefire violations by India had been going on since 2017 when the Indian forces had committed more than 1,970 ceasefire violations, said the FO statement.

“The deliberate targeting of civilian populated areas is indeed deplorable and contrary to human dignity, international human rights and humanitarian laws,” it added.

Dr Faisal also stressed that the UN Military Observers Group must be permitted to play their mandated role, as the secretary of civil defence and disaster management said the latest casualties increased this year’s civilian death toll in AJK to 53 and the number of injured to 246.

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1512053/india-pounds-ajk-villages-loses-nine-troops-in-reprisal.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They did get your facts right instead of lying as usual. Your brave and strong IAF got so. Scared and shaken that they ended shooting their own aircraft hahahaha.
And poor Abhi thought he can chase the Pakistan airforce and got taken out like a kid. Don't worry Bollywood movie is being made so you can change your narrative again and stick to one once the movie is out.

Go tell these facts to your ISPR.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I actually came to this thread to post this, thank you.

I don't believe every piece of news i read in Pakistan newspapers about capture of some random RAW agents in Pakistan or Indians crossing LOC to kill people for no reason but I do assess things on case to case basis.

Do Indians really believe some terrorists are being trained in camps right next to border so Indian forces can just throw bombs and destroy them whenever they want? I mean these so called terrorists have hundreds of camps where they train day and night to do what EXACTLY? Just in last one year India has carried out several such attacks (conveniently before their elections) but what do these so called terrorist really do? There has been one alleged attack in Pulwama and that too was carried out by local Kashmiri boy. Let's even suppose Pakistan trains these to attack India then why would on earth would they create these camps right on border where India could just throw some bombs and kill them when they want? Does it make tiny bit of sense even???

These are launch pads. Where terrorists gather before they try to infilterate into India.

Artillery ranges can be over 30km. So not necessarily the camps are near the loc.

 

[sweep_shot]

These are launch pads. Where terrorists gather before they try to infilterate into India.

Artillery ranges can be over 30km. So not necessarily the camps are near the loc.

India lost 9 soldiers yesterday. Are you fine with India losing troops like this?

 

[Mesozoic]

India lost 9 soldiers yesterday. Are you fine with India losing troops like this?

Stop peddling ISPR propaganda. We don't have the habit of disowning our dead soldiers.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India lost 9 soldiers yesterday. Are you fine with India losing troops like this?

Thats ISPR propoganda. Lol.

Guess you believe this.

 

[Waseem]

These are launch pads. Where terrorists gather before they try to infilterate into India.

Artillery ranges can be over 30km. So not necessarily the camps are near the loc.

lol at least fix your propaganda machines first

Notable Indian propaganda machines on twitter (likes of Aditya Raj Kaul) have first posted propaganda like "Terrorist launchpads targeted by Indian forces" and then posting pictures of dead Indian soldiers claiming "Unprovoked Ceasefire violation by Pakistan". I don't blame them since it's their job to spread propaganda but salute to thousands of his followers who have no brain cells to question blatant lies

For petty political gains, shameless idiots have killed several innocent civilians and several shops and houses have been destroyed in Kashmir due to absolutely meaningless attack. Your own soldiers died for no reason but salute to idiots for cheering deaths sitting comfortably on social media.

 

[Waseem]

Thats ISPR propoganda. Lol.

Guess you believe this.

Yeah all that is propaganda but truth is Pakistan first attacked innocent Indians and in response India actually killed terrorists sitting in camps waiting to be bombed by India
Also truth is:
Indians killed thousands of terrorists training close to border.
Abhinandan shot down Pakistani plane
Pakistan released him as they were scared of Modi
Hero Abhinandan deserved top Indian award for bravery

And above all, it's Pakistan initiating war everyday on border against innocent Indians who just DEFEND their country.

 

[MenInG]

Stop peddling ISPR propaganda. We don't have the habit of disowning our dead soldiers.

I understand that sometimes these things are hard to accept.

 

[Mesozoic]

I understand that sometimes these things are hard to accept.

Yeah they are hard to accept because they are not true. They are nothing but lies for domestic consumption. They can't just say "they killed our soldiers and civilians and we did nothing. "

 

[cricketjoshila]

I understand that sometimes these things are hard to accept.

Works both ways.

 

[KingKhan12]

Go tell these facts to your ISPR.

Where did ISPR say this show me. Instead of lying as usual.

What about the lies you said in the other thread which then you IAF themselves gave a statement and proved they lied and so did you. You were not seen again on that thread despite being tagged many times and when someone mentions that you lie you have responded on that when you ain't.
You people need to realise by keep lying and repeating lies won't make it truth. Keep satisfying yourselves with your lies bjt inside you know you guys are full of lies and pure hatred.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Where did ISPR say this show me. Instead of lying as usual.

What about the lies you said in the other thread which then you IAF themselves gave a statement and proved they lied and so did you. You were not seen again on that thread despite being tagged many times and when someone mentions that you lie you have responded on that when you ain't.
You people need to realise by keep lying and repeating lies won't make it truth. Keep satisfying yourselves with your lies bjt inside you know you guys are full of lies and pure hatred.

Here read this,

The Pakistan military spokesperson said, "Since today morning activity has been ongoing at LoC. This morning PAF engaged six targets across LoC from within Pakistani airspace."


https://nation.com.pk/27-Feb-201/pakistan-has-capability-but-wants-peace-dg-ispr


While you are at it, ask,the ISPR

Two pilots were arrested. One of the pilots was injured and has been taken to CMH. He will be given proper care. Another is in our custody," he added.


Also ask why he denied using F16s?

Pakistan did not use F-16 in any activity today."

 

[cricketjoshila]

Where did ISPR say this show me. Instead of lying as usual.

What about the lies you said in the other thread which then you IAF themselves gave a statement and proved they lied and so did you. You were not seen again on that thread despite being tagged many times and when someone mentions that you lie you have responded on that when you ain't.
You people need to realise by keep lying and repeating lies won't make it truth. Keep satisfying yourselves with your lies bjt inside you know you guys are full of lies and pure hatred.

Next time read up before ranting.

 

[KingKhan12]

Next time read up before ranting.

You need to read up before ranting. Where did you dissappear from the other thread when your own IAF gave statement which proved they lied and so did you.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You need to read up before ranting. Where did you dissappear from the other thread when your own IAF gave statement which proved they lied and so did you.

Do not repeat my words. Find your own.


So why did ISPR lie?

 

[KingKhan12]

Do not repeat my words. Find your own.


So why did ISPR lie?

Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
The IAF denied this. Thats enough to tell that Shukla is lying. Just read the IAF tweeter handle.

Unless you are saying that the entire IAF is lying and only Shukla is saying the truth.

This is your comment from April which now has been confirmed that your IAF lied at the time. And you ain't even responded back on it since despite being tagged several times as your lies been exposed as usual. First come on that thread and respond and talk about your lies then we can talk about ISPR lies.

 

[KingKhan12]

Here read this,

The Pakistan military spokesperson said, "Since today morning activity has been ongoing at LoC. This morning PAF engaged six targets across LoC from within Pakistani airspace."


https://nation.com.pk/27-Feb-201/pakistan-has-capability-but-wants-peace-dg-ispr


While you are at it, ask,the ISPR

Two pilots were arrested. One of the pilots was injured and has been taken to CMH. He will be given proper care. Another is in our custody," he added.


Also ask why he denied using F16s?

Pakistan did not use F-16 in any activity today."

Well clearly he made a statement in haste. So you accepting his statement on that day as truth but reject all other statements when they don't suit your agenda. He clarified day later that it was only 1 pilot.
It took your airforce IAF chief 4 months to say PAF didnt enter Indian airspace or crossed LOC on Feb 27 just to please guys like you and Modi as you lot were embarrassed world wide on Feb 27.

And they did cross the LOC which have been accepted by Imran Khan on the same day and our Air Marshal and also your officials which then some start denying 4 months later. So Abhinanadan was chasing a ghost aircraft of PAF when hr crossed the LOC lol.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...u-kashmir-nowshera-rajouri-1466040-2019-02-27

Indian IAF chief Dhanoa’s statement seemed to be at odds with the one issued by the Ministry of External Affairs on 27 February, which said New Delhi had summoned the acting high commissioner of Pakistan to lodge a protest at the country’s “unprovoked act of aggression”, including “violation of Indian air space” and “targeting of Indian military posts”.

For your Air Chief to have come out with such remarks after 4 months which is contrary to the one of the Ministry of external affairs having lodged a complaint with the High commission of Pakistan after February 27 for violating Indian Airspace is something which sends clearly shows the the truthfulness of Modi Govt and your IAF and Army.

Good to see 27 February still hurts you guys and something which you will never get over.
Since 27 February all we seen is different stories and just lies by Modi government, IA, Indian media and people like you.


Your IAF lied then and then it was proven they lied which was being discussed in the other thread which you ain't been seen on since it got proved they lied.
Also claimed to take down F16 which is also a lie as no F16 are missing after count. And if they was missing America would definitely made a big deal of it as they gave it to Pakistan only for use against counter terror operations. So that's one reason they didn't claim they used F16.

You guys been exposed world wide with your lies about the February conflict and been embarrassed after your Aircraft was shot and pilot captured. You guys were so confused and scared and didn't know what's happening that you took down your own helicopter.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Ina lillahi wa inna ilaihi rajioon to the Shuhada. Inshallah they will find themselves in a better place.

 

[KingKhan12]

No you didnot cross the LoC. Your own ISPR said that.

Indian jets went to Balakote, came back unchallenged.

The only thing you guys could shootdown was a 50yr old jet that chased away F16s and went into pakistan.

Lol you yourself said you chased away F16 and went into Pakistan then change your narrative. Then just to boast you start saying no PAF didn't enter.
Stick to one story or just wait for the Balakot movie which is being made and just claim that to be true it be easier for you and your lying country.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
The IAF denied this. Thats enough to tell that Shukla is lying. Just read the IAF tweeter handle.

Unless you are saying that the entire IAF is lying and only Shukla is saying the truth.

This is your comment from April which now has been confirmed that your IAF lied at the time. And you ain't even responded back on it since despite being tagged several times as your lies been exposed as usual. First come on that thread and respond and talk about your lies then we can talk about ISPR lies.

Read the IAF handle.

They denied that the inquiry was complete and decisions made.

The inquiry report came out much later.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well clearly he made a statement in haste. So you accepting his statement on that day as truth but reject all other statements when they don't suit your agenda. He clarified day later that it was only 1 pilot.
It took your airforce IAF chief 4 months to say PAF didnt enter Indian airspace or crossed LOC on Feb 27 just to please guys like you and Modi as you lot were embarrassed world wide on Feb 27.

And they did cross the LOC which have been accepted by Imran Khan on the same day and our Air Marshal and also your officials which then some start denying 4 months later. So Abhinanadan was chasing a ghost aircraft of PAF when hr crossed the LOC lol.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...u-kashmir-nowshera-rajouri-1466040-2019-02-27

Indian IAF chief Dhanoa’s statement seemed to be at odds with the one issued by the Ministry of External Affairs on 27 February, which said New Delhi had summoned the acting high commissioner of Pakistan to lodge a protest at the country’s “unprovoked act of aggression”, including “violation of Indian air space” and “targeting of Indian military posts”.

For your Air Chief to have come out with such remarks after 4 months which is contrary to the one of the Ministry of external affairs having lodged a complaint with the High commission of Pakistan after February 27 for violating Indian Airspace is something which sends clearly shows the the truthfulness of Modi Govt and your IAF and Army.

Good to see 27 February still hurts you guys and something which you will never get over.
Since 27 February all we seen is different stories and just lies by Modi government, IA, Indian media and people like you.


Your IAF lied then and then it was proven they lied which was being discussed in the other thread which you ain't been seen on since it got proved they lied.
Also claimed to take down F16 which is also a lie as no F16 are missing after count. And if they was missing America would definitely made a big deal of it as they gave it to Pakistan only for use against counter terror operations. So that's one reason they didn't claim they used F16.

You guys been exposed world wide with your lies about the February conflict and been embarrassed after your Aircraft was shot and pilot captured. You guys were so confused and scared and didn't know what's happening that you took down your own helicopter.

This is what happens when people with no knowledge come and rant.

PAF didnot cross the Loc. They fired stand off ammunitions.

The IAF and PAF have said the same.

Who made the F16 count?Lol. Your ispr denied F16 were used. Then they awarded pilots of F16s.

So who was taken to CMH?

Pakistani poster ranting on a pakistani forum is not world wide.

The other day you guys were claiming Imran did a great job at UNGA and exposed India. Result, a big ZERO.

 

[KingKhan12]

Read the IAF handle.

They denied that the inquiry was complete and decisions made.

The inquiry report came out much later.

And you lied in your comment then. Go on that thread which you been tagged on many times since and reply instead of hiding then if you claiming they didn't lie

 

[the Great Khan]

This is what happens when people with no knowledge come and rant.

PAF didnot cross the Loc. They fired stand off ammunitions.

The IAF and PAF have said the same.

Who made the F16 count?Lol. Your ispr denied F16 were used. Then they awarded pilots of F16s.

they were right. The F16's were not part of the strike package.They provided top cover on our side of the LOC. The count was made by on site support teams from the US airforce in conjunction with LM. They are present on the ground and keep an eye on our F16's but also provide support as part of the contract. Inventory analysis is part of the contract.

So who was taken to CMH?

Abhi sahib was.

Pakistani poster ranting on a pakistani forum is not world wide.

The other day you guys were claiming Imran did a great job at UNGA and exposed India. Result, a big ZERO.

Actually the result is the western perception of India has degenerated to the point where a pro India news papaer like the guardian is running news that paints a dire picture of your country.

the op eds from the NYT all the way to the telegraph have been damning. All of these papers are natural allies of India. Coupled with positive news from pakistan e.g. the royal visit and CNN interviews, your PM doesnt even come in front of the press.

He has almost become a joke now. I mean latching onto Trump for dear life as if hew ere his long lost bhai..lol..

Then the Kashmir issue has been internationalised to such an extent average joe is starting to see social media posts that they would never have noticed before..

The indian media has been ridiculed abroad..its becoming a joke..I would suggest its your turn for introspection.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Actually the result is the western perception of India has degenerated to the point where a pro India news papaer like the guardian is running news that paints a dire picture of your country.

the op eds from the NYT all the way to the telegraph have been damning. All of these papers are natural allies of India. Coupled with positive news from pakistan e.g. the royal visit and CNN interviews, your PM doesnt even come in front of the press.

He has almost become a joke now. I mean latching onto Trump for dear life as if hew ere his long lost bhai..lol..

Then the Kashmir issue has been internationalised to such an extent average joe is starting to see social media posts that they would never have noticed before..

The indian media has been ridiculed abroad..its becoming a joke..I would suggest its your turn for introspection.

1.None of PAF planes crossed the LoC. So this F16 giving cover from otherside doesnot wash.

2.LM has made no announcement on any inventory count.

3.If Abhi was taken to CMH, who was the other pilot in custody?

4. Imran has achieved jack. He is now complaining that media is not giving kashmir coverage.

International policies are not decided by OP-eds. And Guardian has always been anti indian. NYTs policy editor is a kashmiri separatist.

Why will the Indian PM answer to Western media? He is PM of India and accountable to Indians.

Poor you, no pakistani leader has got this much attention from a US president.

As i said, pakistanis giving their opinion on a pakistani forum and then agreeing to it and saying its a world opinion is a amusing phenomenon.

Open your eyes. Kashmir is still under India. Art 370 still amended, internet still not functioning. No one is bothered. Even Imran Khan Niazi's tweets have become infrequent.

 

[KingKhan12]

This is what happens when people with no knowledge come and rant.

PAF didnot cross the Loc. They fired stand off ammunitions.

The IAF and PAF have said the same.

Who made the F16 count?Lol. Your ispr denied F16 were used. Then they awarded pilots of F16s.

So who was taken to CMH?

Pakistani poster ranting on a pakistani forum is not world wide.

The other day you guys were claiming Imran did a great job at UNGA and exposed India. Result, a big ZERO.

Yes only you and your media and only India have knowledge.

No they did cross the LOC. You can carry on lying as usual. It took you guys 4 months after to come up with this.


Regarding F16 I've already mentioned about it and they were counted for.

And Indians ranting on social media don't make it the truth. Go check neutral sources regarding Feb 27 and see what world wide sources made instead of focusing on yourselves. Worldwide headlines and breaking news was Pakistan shoot down India aircraft and capture pilot. That must be a proud moment for you lol.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/03/world/asia/india-military-united-states-china.html

After India Loses Dogfight to Pakistan, Questions Arise About Its ‘Vintage’ Military




Washington Post report.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ary-this-just-became-big-deal/?outputType=amp

But these latest details about the India-Pakistan air battles threaten to discredit the BJP narrative and undermine its electoral prospects. Open-source satellite imagery suggests India did not hit any targets of consequence in the airstrikes it conducted after the terrorist attack on the paramilitaries. Additionally, reporting indicates that during the Feb. 27 air battle, friendly fire from an air-defense missile brought down an Indian military helicopter, killing six military personnel.

If the IAF did not, in fact, shoot down a Pakistani F-16, voters might conclude that India carried out airstrikes and has nothing to show for them but lost a pilot, a warplane, a helicopter and six other military personnel.

Any news that may tarnish perceptions of Indian military superiority over Pakistan isn’t good news for a government that pledged to improve India’s hard-power capabilities and punish Pakistan for its alleged support of terrorism. The research suggests material advantages — planes, weapons — are no guarantee of military effectiveness. This will no doubt raise questions both inside and outside of India about the IAF’s conventional advantage if it is unable punish a weaker adversary to reestablish deterrence. This could encourage Pakistan to behave more aggressively in a future India-Pakistan crisis. Both countries are nuclear powers, so any conflicts between the two raise deeper concerns about the risks of escalation and a mushroom cloud over the subcontinent.


And regarding Imran at UNGA. You have just shown again how hurt you are by his speech which exposed Modi and RSS by keep repeating it and mentioning it. Keep crying

 

[Mesozoic]

..

The indian media has been ridiculed abroad..its becoming a joke..I would suggest its your turn for introspection.

And by abroad you mean Birmingham, Bradford and Luton.

 

[KingKhan12]

And by abroad you mean Birmingham, Bradford and Luton.

Read foreign media reports and see what majority say then you will know instead of lying like your media.

 

[szundercover]

And you are saying these are facts based on what?

Facts based on international media reports. Nobody believes your 27 feb claims where your planes dropped off their payloads and damaged few of our trees and in retaliation we shot two of your jets and captured one of your pilots.