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DGISPR issues open challenge to Indian army to share locations of targeted 'terror camps' [Post#198]

szundercover said:
Facts based on international media reports. Nobody believes your 27 feb claims where your planes dropped off their payloads and damaged few of our trees and in retaliation we shot two of your jets and captured one of your pilots.
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No point debating with such fools you talking to brick walls.

For them theirs no international media. Only one media is international that is Indian media or any which supports their narrative.
No matter how much you show these guys facts they still go on. They just repeat same things on social media and rant so people believe their story but this day and age you can't fool people unless your Indian who get fooled by their own media and Modi.
 
guys relax we know what is happening here, straight from the hasbara text book, those hindutvas needs to change the narrative on kashmir india is being put in the corner.
 
KingKhan12 said:
No point debating with such fools you talking to brick walls.

For them theirs no international media. Only one media is international that is Indian media or any which supports their narrative.
No matter how much you show these guys facts they still go on. They just repeat same things on social media and rant so people believe their story but this day and age you can't fool people unless your Indian who get fooled by their own media and Modi.
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Not all of the people in india are disillusioned in fact most of the indians who actually are worried for the future of their country are silent because of fear from the rss goons.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
guys relax we know what is happening here, straight from the hasbara text book, those hindutvas needs to change the narrative on kashmir india is being put in the corner.
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Disinformation is a part of 5th generation warfare and both sides are engaged in war and from the current situation its clearly pakistan which is winning.
 
szundercover said:
Not all of the people in india are disillusioned in fact most of the indians who actually are worried for the future of their country are silent because of fear from the rss goons.
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Completely agree not all Indians. I know some too they not like that. They want peace but they scared to speak up. Anyone speaks up against Modi and his government they be classed as traitor and told to go Pakistan. And worried they might get killed.
 
szundercover said:
Not all of the people in india are disillusioned in fact most of the indians who actually are worried for the future of their country are silent because of fear from the rss goons.
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From muslims now you guys speak for Indians.
 
cricketjoshila said:
1.None of PAF planes crossed the LoC. So this F16 giving cover from otherside doesnot wash.

2.LM has made no announcement on any inventory count.

3.If Abhi was taken to CMH, who was the other pilot in custody?

4. Imran has achieved jack. He is now complaining that media is not giving kashmir coverage.

International policies are not decided by OP-eds. And Guardian has always been anti indian. NYTs policy editor is a kashmiri separatist.

Why will the Indian PM answer to Western media? He is PM of India and accountable to Indians.

Poor you, no pakistani leader has got this much attention from a US president.

As i said, pakistanis giving their opinion on a pakistani forum and then agreeing to it and saying its a world opinion is a amusing phenomenon.

Open your eyes. Kashmir is still under India. Art 370 still amended, internet still not functioning. No one is bothered. Even Imran Khan Niazi's tweets have become infrequent.
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Care to explain?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DiaryofEvents?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DiaryofEvents</a>: On 27 Feb 19 at around 1000 hrs IAF radars detected a large package of PAF aircraft heading towards the Indian territory towards general area Jhangar. They breached the Indian airspace west of Rajauri in Sunderbani Area. (1/5)<br>Details on <a href="https://t.co/yUXMuzlovQ">https://t.co/yUXMuzlovQ</a></p>— Indian Air Force (@IAF_MCC) <a href="https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC/status/1101536899179646978?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Hermoine Green said:
Care to explain?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DiaryofEvents?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DiaryofEvents</a>: On 27 Feb 19 at around 1000 hrs IAF radars detected a large package of PAF aircraft heading towards the Indian territory towards general area Jhangar. They breached the Indian airspace west of Rajauri in Sunderbani Area. (1/5)<br>Details on <a href="https://t.co/yUXMuzlovQ">https://t.co/yUXMuzlovQ</a></p>— Indian Air Force (@IAF_MCC) <a href="https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC/status/1101536899179646978?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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He's just a troll full of lies just like IAF whos chief 4 months later said PAF didn't cross when they accepted it when it happened and also their foreign minister complained about PAF violating Indian Air space.

In another thread it was proven the IAF lied which [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] was saying they didn't. When it was proven he wasn't seen on that thread again despite being tagged many times.
 
I see RSS educated goons with keyboard are still at spreading and spinning the narrative.

When will y'all give up? like, what would it take for y'all to stop polluting the pool of facts with your intentional imbecilities, ignorance, lies and fake morality?

It is one thing to convince an ordinary Indian (particularly Hindu) so they can continue to be brain washed in to believing India is becoming greatest Hindu nation again by defeating traitor Muslims of India, now Pakistan, but trying to convince rest of the world with your lies is just stupid. No one, absolutely no one, other than Indian ( again, majority Hindus who believe in RSS ideology) believe anything educated RSS member with keyboard try to present lies as facts.

These RSS supporters and member, even the educated ones, never, ever, ceased to amaze, a sign of true hate and brain washed cult and extremists members. Increible.
 
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Hermoine Green said:
Care to explain?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DiaryofEvents?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DiaryofEvents</a>: On 27 Feb 19 at around 1000 hrs IAF radars detected a large package of PAF aircraft heading towards the Indian territory towards general area Jhangar. They breached the Indian airspace west of Rajauri in Sunderbani Area. (1/5)<br>Details on <a href="https://t.co/yUXMuzlovQ">https://t.co/yUXMuzlovQ</a></p>— Indian Air Force (@IAF_MCC) <a href="https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC/status/1101536899179646978?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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This is the same indian air force which claims it has shot down are so called f16 and killed 350 or a million civilians inside pakistani territory...
 
Hermoine Green said:
Care to explain?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DiaryofEvents?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DiaryofEvents</a>: On 27 Feb 19 at around 1000 hrs IAF radars detected a large package of PAF aircraft heading towards the Indian territory towards general area Jhangar. They breached the Indian airspace west of Rajauri in Sunderbani Area. (1/5)<br>Details on <a href="https://t.co/yUXMuzlovQ">https://t.co/yUXMuzlovQ</a></p>— Indian Air Force (@IAF_MCC) <a href="https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC/status/1101536899179646978?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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He is talking about the stand off ammunitions that were fired by the PAF planes.

Both DG ISPR and IAF chief are on record that PAF didnoy cross the LOC.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indian Embassy has yet not responded to offer made by DG ISPR. It indicates that they have no grounds to support false claim by their COAS. We expect them to respond soon.</p>— Dr Mohammad Faisal (@ForeignOfficePk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ForeignOfficePk/status/1186317431360364544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
kk1992 said:
I see RSS educated goons with keyboard are still at spreading and spinning the narrative.

When will y'all give up? like, what would it take for y'all to stop polluting the pool of facts with your intentional imbecilities, ignorance, lies and fake morality?

It is one thing to convince an ordinary Indian (particularly Hindu) so they can continue to be brain washed in to believing India is becoming greatest Hindu nation again by defeating traitor Muslims of India, now Pakistan, but trying to convince rest of the world with your lies is just stupid. No one, absolutely no one, other than Indian ( again, majority Hindus who believe in RSS ideology) believe anything educated RSS member with keyboard try to present lies as facts.

These RSS supporters and member, even the educated ones, never, ever, ceased to amaze, a sign of true hate and brain washed cult and extremists members. Increible.
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What exactly is your source for this?

Did you hear Modi say this or are you quoting this from BJP manifesto or is this something you heard in passing on some fun chai-biscuit discussion and some social media trolling?

Indians nor the government sees things in a Hindu-Muslim prism may be it happens wherever you live to make you feel like that.

For starters let us go back to basics Kashmir is not a religious issue for India, it is a territorial issue.
 
kk1992 said:
I see RSS educated goons with keyboard are still at spreading and spinning the narrative.

When will y'all give up? like, what would it take for y'all to stop polluting the pool of facts with your intentional imbecilities, ignorance, lies and fake morality?

It is one thing to convince an ordinary Indian (particularly Hindu) so they can continue to be brain washed in to believing India is becoming greatest Hindu nation again by defeating traitor Muslims of India, now Pakistan, but trying to convince rest of the world with your lies is just stupid. No one, absolutely no one, other than Indian ( again, majority Hindus who believe in RSS ideology) believe anything educated RSS member with keyboard try to present lies as facts.

These RSS supporters and member, even the educated ones, never, ever, ceased to amaze, a sign of true hate and brain washed cult and extremists members. Increible.
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They are a cult. Not even kidding. The way it takes their ability to objectively assess events is a proof of their blinded cult like following of RSS/BJP
 
Local.Dada said:
Where did we disown him? didn't we get his execution stopped that was handed out by some kangaroo court.
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No you didn't LOL
You just got him consular access and the DG ISPR has already explained that it was Pakistan's plan too.

😂😂
 
cricketjoshila said:
He is talking about the stand off ammunitions that were fired by the PAF planes.

Both DG ISPR and IAF chief are on record that PAF didnoy cross the LOC.
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Where the hell is he talking about stand off ammunitions. Your home or foreign minister even complained that PAF violated Indian airspace. Damn you guys are some hardcore liars. Your own IAF admitted it when it happened also your Ministry of external affairs and now you saying they were talking about ammunitions lol. So you agree with DG ISPR when it suits you and when it don't you call him a liar lol.

It only took your IAF chief 4 months to lie that they didn't enter Indian airspace.


https://www.indiatoday.in/india/stor...040-2019-02-27

Indian IAF chief Dhanoa’s statement seemed to be at odds with the one issued by the Ministry of External Affairs on 27 February, which said New Delhi had summoned the acting high commissioner of Pakistan to lodge a protest at the country’s “unprovoked act of aggression”, including “violation of Indian air space” and “targeting of Indian military posts”.

For your Air Chief to have come out with such remarks after 4 months which is contrary to the one of the Ministry of external affairs having lodged a complaint with the High commission of Pakistan after February 27 for violating Indian Airspace is something which sends clearly shows the the truthfulness of Modi Govt and your IAF and Army.
 
DoosraTeesra said:
You don't acknowledge that he was a serving officer and that he was a spy.
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That is Pakistan's narrative and we have our own narrative. Just like you assume what you hear is the truth why do you have a problem if we think our narrative is right?
 
Local.Dada said:
What exactly is your source for this?

Did you hear Modi say this or are you quoting this from BJP manifesto or is this something you heard in passing on some fun chai-biscuit discussion and some social media trolling?

Indians nor the government sees things in a Hindu-Muslim prism may be it happens wherever you live to make you feel like that.

For starters let us go back to basics Kashmir is not a religious issue for India, it is a territorial issue.
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You are doing exactly what I have commented.

Indians nor the government sees things in a Hindu-Muslim prism may be it happens wherever you live to make you feel like that.
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And yet electing those who openly say that they want to make India Hindu only and those who aren't subservient to Hindu raj then you know... lol

Make me understand something, RSS goons already believe in your distorted, bigoted and ignorant narrative and those who aren't supporters of RSS see through RSS, like rest of the world, so who are you trying to convince that RSS and BJP isn't a bigoted and ignorant groups.
 
Local.Dada said:
That is Pakistan's narrative and we have our own narrative. Just like you assume what you hear is the truth why do you have a problem if we think our narrative is right?
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You can believe whatever you want but please do not get upset at people if they call you out and India on fake secularism.
 
kk1992 said:
You are doing exactly what I have commented.



And yet electing those who openly say that they want to make India Hindu only and those who aren't subservient to Hindu raj then you know... lol

Make me understand something, RSS goons already believe in your distorted, bigoted and ignorant narrative and those who aren't supporters of RSS see through RSS, like rest of the world, so who are you trying to convince that RSS and BJP isn't a bigoted and ignorant groups.
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Again it is not a credible argument. I call this chai-biscuit gossip. India has many states in fact in the south a state liek Andhra is headed by a christian. in Tamil Nadu it is DMK who are rabidly everything anti-Hindu. Kerala and Bengal are ruled by people with a communist/socialist ideologies. I can go on and on.

Now it comes back to Modi, have you considered that a lot of people have voted for him on factors like social development,welfare schemes and national security rather than just plainly because he is a Hindu extremist?

A lot of people say Anti-Modi things blatantly on media. if he was Hitler or Stalin re-incarnate do you think it is possible. You should know Pak has been ruled by military dictators, was the media allowed to be vocal on their policies.

As I said these words like RSS,Hindutva,Modi get thrown around like blanket statements. Please don't live in a bubble.

Sure we have territorial disputes with Pakistan This has nothing to do with religious ideology at least from India's side.
 
Local.Dada said:
Again it is not a credible argument. I call this chai-biscuit gossip. India has many states in fact in the south a state liek Andhra is headed by a christian. in Tamil Nadu it is DMK who are rabidly everything anti-Hindu. Kerala and Bengal are ruled by people with a communist/socialist ideologies. I can go on and on.

Now it comes back to Modi, have you considered that a lot of people have voted for him on factors like social development,welfare schemes and national security rather than just plainly because he is a Hindu extremist?

A lot of people say Anti-Modi things blatantly on media. if he was Hitler or Stalin re-incarnate do you think it is possible. You should know Pak has been ruled by military dictators, was the media allowed to be vocal on their policies.

As I said these words like RSS,Hindutva,Modi get thrown around like blanket statements. Please don't live in a bubble.

Sure we have territorial disputes with Pakistan This has nothing to do with religious ideology at least from India's side.
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Again, electing those who openly say that they want to make minorities subservient to the majority.
 
kk1992 said:
Again, electing those who openly say that they want to make minorities subservient to the majority.
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So who are these people. Wait! before you get busy on google and hunt for quotes let me make it easy for you by giving you an example. Owaisi and his party have made plenty of inflammatory speeches didn't stop them from being elected did it?

News flash: Politicians have always played the race,religion,caste,sect etc card and said a lot of things for votes. pretty sure it happens in Pakistan as well. It happens in the rest of the world too. So what is your point?

As I said instead of making blanket statements, let me know what Modi or the current ruling party have done to further their so called Hindutva ideology.

For the nth time Kashmir is a territorial dispute and that is the way India and the world see it. May be in Pakistan it is given a religious context. You tell me
 
Looks like Indian Government and Army have no answer to DG ISPR offer. Why do not they tell where were the so called launch pads so Pakistan can bring international media to the site.
 
Local.Dada said:
That is Pakistan's narrative and we have our own narrative. Just like you assume what you hear is the truth why do you have a problem if we think our narrative is right?
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So let me get this straight. When you claim India has evidence, and someone from Pakistan denies it, you call them in denial and conspiracy theorist. But if the roles are reversed, you are claiming to be reasonable by saying you can believe what you want and I can believe what I want. Let me put it this way: don't let opinions get in the way of facts.

He was carrying a passport that was a real passport, but with a fake identity. That is a clearly smoking gun.

On top of that, the way India made up this whole story about kidnapping from Iran, yet never approached Iran on the issue, and Iran didn't give much of a crap about it, also makes it worse for India.
 
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Runner Up said:
Looks like Indian Government and Army have no answer to DG ISPR offer. Why do not they tell where were the so called launch pads so Pakistan can bring international media to the site.
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It is a lie, sold to RSS goons to appear relevant and continue to promote hate.

India will continue to appear liar for time being as their policy is hate driven.
 
Local.Dada said:
So who are these people. Wait! before you get busy on google and hunt for quotes let me make it easy for you by giving you an example. Owaisi and his party have made plenty of inflammatory speeches didn't stop them from being elected did it?

News flash: Politicians have always played the race,religion,caste,sect etc card and said a lot of things for votes. pretty sure it happens in Pakistan as well. It happens in the rest of the world too. So what is your point?

As I said instead of making blanket statements, let me know what Modi or the current ruling party have done to further their so called Hindutva ideology.

For the nth time Kashmir is a territorial dispute and that is the way India and the world see it. May be in Pakistan it is given a religious context. You tell me
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You over looking and justifying a politician openly screaming that minority be taught a lesson if they aren't subservient should be concerning unless you are in majority.

Kashmir isn't territorial . No matter, how many times you try to repeat it, it isn't.

Lol at cherry picking.

Did Owaisi ever said that Muslims of India should start butchering Hindus?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indians have no grounds to support false claim made by their COAS. If they don’t want to go they have the option to share claimed targeted locations with our foreign office. We will take foreign diplomats & media tomorrow on those given locations. Let all see facts on ground. <a href="https://t.co/vaWaSymRbm">https://t.co/vaWaSymRbm</a></p>— DG ISPR (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1186324664500572162?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 21, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Deathly silence :13:
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indians have no grounds to support false claim made by their COAS. If they don’t want to go they have the option to share claimed targeted locations with our foreign office. We will take foreign diplomats & media tomorrow on those given locations. Let all see facts on ground. <a href="https://t.co/vaWaSymRbm">https://t.co/vaWaSymRbm</a></p>— DG ISPR (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1186324664500572162?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 21, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Deathly silence :13:
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It's a repeat of Uri and Balakot. The bharti public will slurp it up like there's no tomorrow, meantime there will be no evidence to support any of this, and most likely there will be evidence to prove that India is actually lying.
 
KingKhan12 said:
[MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION]

https://twitter.com/ForeignOfficePk/status/1186317431360364544?s=19

https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1186324664500572162?s=19

Why ain't you guys accepting our invitation to come and check. Or atleast tell where the so called terrorist camps are so we can get foreign media to come and have a look.
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Check what after the fact? They will just bring in a family of 4 living in those buildings after the fact. Some say it's the abode of terrorists, other say it's families living there, some claim this is a stunt a day before elections and the others claim everybody is a victim. There are reports in Pakistan news papers that people are getting ready to enter J&K from AJK. News reports show terrorists or "freedom fighters" according to you marching happily and openly in these areas. Truth is somewhere in the middle. Terrorists openly roam and live in these areas and are targetted by the Indian army. Innocents die as a result of this. Nobody does anything else and it's rinse repeat


https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/af/idAFKCN1V50O2
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indians have no grounds to support false claim made by their COAS. If they don’t want to go they have the option to share claimed targeted locations with our foreign office. We will take foreign diplomats & media tomorrow on those given locations. Let all see facts on ground. <a href="https://t.co/vaWaSymRbm">https://t.co/vaWaSymRbm</a></p>— DG ISPR (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1186324664500572162?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 21, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Deathly silence :13:
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Is he openly challenging that Indian bombs hit trees and missed the real targets? Or is he saying that there are no terror camps? Only one of them is a good answer and actually helps Pak. Claiming victory for the "tree bombing" and downing a jet while losing J&K at the end is no victory. Pak needs to change the rhetoric to change the game. As of now it's India attacking and Pak being defensive. Onus is on Pak having to prove Everytime and that's tough considering the credibility issues with Pak army establishment. India is claiming whatever is necessary in the info warfare because of the presence of these radical elements in the area. Just get rid of these jihadis once for all so everybody can go home and be happy.
 
kk1992 said:
You over looking and justifying a politician openly screaming that minority be taught a lesson if they aren't subservient should be concerning unless you are in majority.

Kashmir isn't territorial . No matter, how many times you try to repeat it, it isn't.

Lol at cherry picking.

Did Owaisi ever said that Muslims of India should start butchering Hindus?
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Actually his brother did. Jr. Owaisi challenged that it will take 20 min for Muslims to kill all Hindus in India if there is no police. There are nutbags in every party and people don't take them seriously. You can't keep harping about the same thing in every post. Arguably the biggest God in Hindu mythology "Ram" and his temple in his brithplace is actually a court case. This is despite BJP being in power in central and in UP state. That should tell you how there are checks and balances. Low level political leaders will say nonsense but it doesn't matter much. BJP so far hasn't don't anything against Muslim citizens of India. They had the guts to eliminate triple talaq and Muslims enjoy all the perks that govt has to provide. There is absolutely no law that discriminates minorities.
 
rhony said:
Is he openly challenging that Indian bombs hit trees and missed the real targets? Or is he saying that there are no terror camps? Only one of them is a good answer and actually helps Pak. Claiming victory for the "tree bombing" and downing a jet while losing J&K at the end is no victory. Pak needs to change the rhetoric to change the game. As of now it's India attacking and Pak being defensive. Onus is on Pak having to prove Everytime and that's tough considering the credibility issues with Pak army establishment. India is claiming whatever is necessary in the info warfare because of the presence of these radical elements in the area. Just get rid of these jihadis once for all so everybody can go home and be happy.
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The real fascist/Hindu jihadi is sat on the PM chair in New Dehli.
 
rhony said:
Actually his brother did. Jr. Owaisi challenged that it will take 20 min for Muslims to kill all Hindus in India if there is no police. There are nutbags in every party and people don't take them seriously. You can't keep harping about the same thing in every post. Arguably the biggest God in Hindu mythology "Ram" and his temple in his brithplace is actually a court case. This is despite BJP being in power in central and in UP state. That should tell you how there are checks and balances. Low level political leaders will say nonsense but it doesn't matter much. BJP so far hasn't don't anything against Muslim citizens of India. They had the guts to eliminate triple talaq and Muslims enjoy all the perks that govt has to provide. There is absolutely no law that discriminates minorities.
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Sure!
 
rhony said:
Is he openly challenging that Indian bombs hit trees and missed the real targets? Or is he saying that there are no terror camps? Only one of them is a good answer and actually helps Pak. Claiming victory for the "tree bombing" and downing a jet while losing J&K at the end is no victory. Pak needs to change the rhetoric to change the game. As of now it's India attacking and Pak being defensive. Onus is on Pak having to prove Everytime and that's tough considering the credibility issues with Pak army establishment. India is claiming whatever is necessary in the info warfare because of the presence of these radical elements in the area. Just get rid of these jihadis once for all so everybody can go home and be happy.
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A perfect example of how to twist, switch and confuse the facts and lay the blame on other for your own incompetence and when caught about lying, again.

A perfect text from the book of RSS goons.

And what’s up with this new talking point, get rid of johadis? Isn’t every Muslim who doesn’t agree with RSS is a Jihadi already ? Lol
 
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DG ISPR should stop with this. There is no need to justify and try to nullify these Indian claims. Makes it look like that we are always on the backfoot.

Rather than talking too much Pak Army should do what it gets paid for i.e. to fight and win battles. Show the nation some tangible results instead of Asif Ghafoors Moonchein every few weeks!
 
Knight_Rider said:
DG ISPR should stop with this. There is no need to justify and try to nullify these Indian claims. Makes it look like that we are always on the backfoot.

Rather than talking too much Pak Army should do what it gets paid for i.e. to fight and win battles. Show the nation some tangible results instead of Asif Ghafoors Moonchein every few weeks!
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Oh dear lord.
Read the above and do the opposite is the correct way.. I.e. more of the same.
 
ahsan17 said:
So let me get this straight. When you claim India has evidence, and someone from Pakistan denies it, you call them in denial and conspiracy theorist. But if the roles are reversed, you are claiming to be reasonable by saying you can believe what you want and I can believe what I want. Let me put it this way: don't let opinions get in the way of facts.

He was carrying a passport that was a real passport, but with a fake identity. That is a clearly smoking gun.

On top of that, the way India made up this whole story about kidnapping from Iran, yet never approached Iran on the issue, and Iran didn't give much of a crap about it, also makes it worse for India.
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Firstly, truth always lies somewhere in the between because every country has a narrative and that is fair.However you may not like this but Pakistan does not have a lot of credibility when it comes to narratives.

Case in point the whole OBL raid and other incidents I won't go too much into unless you want me to get into. I am sure we all heard the "boy who cried wolf" story. you know that in the end the boy was actually telling the truth.

Now do you really think Jadhav comes across as this mastermind that orchestrated all these attacks on Pak soil and the symbol of everything evil that India has supposedly done.

Do you really buy that. As I said truth is always somewhere in the middle.
 
Local.Dada said:
Firstly, truth always lies somewhere in the between because every country has a narrative and that is fair.However you may not like this but Pakistan does not have a lot of credibility when it comes to narratives.

Case in point the whole OBL raid and other incidents I won't go too much into unless you want me to get into. I am sure we all heard the "boy who cried wolf" story. you know that in the end the boy was actually telling the truth.

Now do you really think Jadhav comes across as this mastermind that orchestrated all these attacks on Pak soil and the symbol of everything evil that India has supposedly done.

Do you really buy that. As I said truth is always somewhere in the middle.
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OBL?
Another Pathetic deflection thread.
 
Local.Dada said:
Firstly, truth always lies somewhere in the between because every country has a narrative and that is fair.However you may not like this but Pakistan does not have a lot of credibility when it comes to narratives.

Case in point the whole OBL raid and other incidents I won't go too much into unless you want me to get into. I am sure we all heard the "boy who cried wolf" story. you know that in the end the boy was actually telling the truth. The whole Iran kidnap story also seems to fly in the face of any logic.

Now do you really think Jadhav comes across as this mastermind that orchestrated all these attacks on Pak soil and the symbol of everything evil that India has supposedly done.

Do you really buy that. As I said truth is always somewhere in the middle.
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The evidence against Yadav buys the credibility you claim Pakistan lacks. Not to mention, Indian credibility has gone down the drain with Modi fake surgical strikes and then campaigning on those fake surgical strikes.

Now, is Yadav responsible for all attacks in Pakistan? I don't believe anybody said that. He is proof that Indian is involved in supporting terrorism in Pakistan, and that's what matters.
 
kk1992 said:
Again, electing those who openly say that they want to make minorities subservient to the majority.
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Why dont you answer my question?

If pakistan can have a state religion, where islam and muslims have primacy and non muslims have lesser rights, why do you have issues with other countries having similar arrangements?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Pakistan Foreign Office says a team of foreign diplomats left for Line of Control to visit areas mentioned by Indian Army chief as alleged 'terror launch pads', FO says not a single Indian diplomat joined the team for LoC visit</p>— Khalid khi (@khalid_pk) <a href="https://twitter.com/khalid_pk/status/1186483124307398656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistani and foreign journos approaching Line of Control, despite repeated requests, none from Indian High Commission joined the visit <a href="https://t.co/DtcRofXkpq">pic.twitter.com/DtcRofXkpq</a></p>— Khalid khi (@khalid_pk) <a href="https://twitter.com/khalid_pk/status/1186510688354787328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Indians what say you ?
 
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Pakistani and foreign journos approaching Line of Control, despite repeated requests, none from Indian High Commission joined the visit
 
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skylinegtr said:
https://twitter.com/khalid_pk/status/1186483124307398656?s=20

https://twitter.com/khalid_pk/status/1186510688354787328?s=20

Indians what say you ?
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Pakistan has played very smartly even during border issues in February, International media and various groups appreciated Pakistan's approach and accepted their narrative especially when Abhinandan was sent back as peace gesture. "Fantastic Tea became a worldwide joke".

It's absolutely moronic to think there are terrorist camps or launchpads next to border when there is massive conflict going on but looks like their target audience are "millions of bhak*ts" who have no mental capacity or ability to analyse critically so they get away with EVERY bit of lie.
 
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DG ISPR takes jibe at Indian High Commission for not standing with its COAS
Web Desk On Oct 22, 2019

RAWALPINDI: Director-General Inter-Service Public Relations (DG ISPR) Major General Asif Ghafoor took a jibe at Indian High Commission for not standing with its army chief who claimed to have destroyed three terrorist camps in Azad and Jammu Kashmir.

In a tweet on Tuesday, (DG ISPR) the military spokesperson said: “What good Indian High Commission is which can’t stand with its Army Chief? Indian High Commission staff didn’t have the moral courage to accompany fellow diplomats in Pakistan to LOC.”

Earlier today, on the invitation of Pakistan, diplomatic corps reached the Line of Control (LoC) to visit the sectors hit by the Indian unprovoked firing last week, and fact-check New Dehli’s claims regarding destructing three alleged terrorist camps in AJK.

The diplomatic corps visited Jura, Shahkot and Nousheri’s sectors.

Foreign Office Spokesperson Dr. Muhammad Faisal, in a tweet, said the Indian side has not joined the diplomatic corps in the visit to LoC. He said they have neither provided coordinates of the alleged “launchpads”.

Yesterday, the Foreign Office extended an invitation to the entire diplomatic corps to visit the restive LoC to inspect the areas hit by Indian shelling. It said the Indian Charge de affairs was also invited to prove the claim of his army chief before the foreign diplomats.

Read More: Pakistan protests civilians’ killing by Indian ceasefire violation

Indian Army Chief General Bipin Rawat had claimed on Sunday that three terror camps were destroyed in retaliatory action by its army opposite the Tangdhar and Keran sectors in Jammu and Kashmir, as reported by Indian media.

https://arynews.tv/en/dg-ispr-takes-jibe-indian-high-commission-coas/
 
cricketjoshila said:
Why dont you answer my question?

If pakistan can have a state religion, where islam and muslims have primacy and non muslims have lesser rights, why do you have issues with other countries having similar arrangements?
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Does Pakistan claim to be a secular country? Secondly its strange that you are comparing India with a country you hate the most. Shows how confused and desperate you can get in order to win your internet wars. :inti
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What good Indian High Commission is which can’t stand with its Army Chief? Indian High Commission staff didn’t have the moral courage to accompany fellow diplomats in Pakistan to LOC. However, a group of foreign diplomats & media is on the way to LOC to see the truth on ground.</p>— DG ISPR (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1186517552584888320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Foreign diplomats taken to Neelum Valley to debunk Indian army claim of destroying 'terror launch pads'

A team of foreign diplomats posted in Pakistan were taken to the Neelum Valley in Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) to witness firsthand whether the Indian army had "smashed four terror launch pads" there early Sunday, Foreign Office spokesperson Dr Mohammad Faisal said in a tweet on Tuesday.

The diplomats have been taken to the Nauseri, Shahkot and Jura sectors near the Line of Control (LoC), as well as the Nausada village, which has suffered severe damage in attacks by Indian troops. The trip has been arranged so they can verify for themselves the claims made by the Indian army chief.

Inter-Services Public Relations Director General Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor briefed the diplomats and media persons about the situation in the area. The visitors were also shown remains of the artillery shells that allegedly fired by the Indian troops from across the LoC.

DG ISPR said that in 2018, there were 3,038 Indian ceasefire violations and 58 civilians were martyred while 319 were injured. In 2019, so far there were 2,608 ceasefire violations and 44 civilians were martyred and 230 were injured due to Indian firing.

He said the difference between the Pakistan Army and Indian army was that the former follows military norms and only targets Indian posts.

DG ISPR added that the foreign diplomats had visited Jura bazaar and met the local population and shop owners and witnessed firsthand the damage inflicted on the shops and houses that were claimed to be launchpads by India.

"It’s all innocent people being targeted by India," he said.

No official from the Indian High Commission joined the team visiting the LoC today, Dr Faisal said.

"The Indian side has not joined us in the visit to the LoC nor have they provided coordinates of the alleged 'launchpads'," the FO spokesperson tweeted. He added that India had also failed to share the coordinates of launchpads which the Indian army claimed to have destroyed.

"'Claims' by Indian Army Chief remain just that: 'claims'," he added.

Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor — who had last night challenged Indian officials "to take any foreign diplomat/media to ‘prove’ [its allegations] on ground" — also commented on the absence of Indian officials: "What good [is the] Indian High Commission which can’t stand with its Army Chief?"

"Indian High Commission staff didn’t have the moral courage to accompany fellow diplomats in Pakistan to LOC," he tweeted. "However, a group of foreign diplomats and media is on the way to LOC to see the truth on [the] ground."

The development came a morning after Maj Gen Ghafoor's challenge to the Indian army to prove its claims.

The challenge was issued by Gen Ghafoor in response to Indian army chief Gen Bipin Rawat's claim that Indian forces had "smashed four terror launch pads" in Neelum valley. Bipin made the claims after six civilians and a soldier of the Pakistan Army embraced martyrdom in indiscriminate and "ruthless" shelling by Indian troops from across the LoC on Sunday.

Pakistan had immediately rejected the allegations as a "pack of lies".

"Indians have no grounds to support false claim made by their COAS," Maj Gen Ghafoor had said in a tweet on Monday night. "If they don’t want to go they have the option to share claimed targeted locations with our Foreign Office. We will take foreign diplomats and media tomorrow on those given locations. Let all see facts on ground."

He was responding to a tweet by Dr Faisal, in which the FO spokesperson had said that the absence of response to Maj Gen Ghafoor's offer by the Indian side "indicates that they have no grounds to support false claim by their COAS. We expect them to respond soon."
https://www.dawn.com/news/1512281/f...n-army-claim-of-destroying-terror-launch-pads
 
Rather embarrassing for india, we have to remember this was an act of aggression killing innocent people and day before they allowed an indian airplane to be used as bait, giving it a military code over pakistan.

Any sane individual will not be defending india on this regard.
 
skylinegtr said:
View attachment 96180View attachment 96181BREAKING: Pakistan Foreign Office says a team of foreign diplomats left for Line of Control to visit areas mentioned by Indian Army chief as alleged 'terror launch pads', FO says not a single Indian diplomat joined the team for LoC visit

Pakistani and foreign journos approaching Line of Control, despite repeated requests, none from Indian High Commission joined the visit
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Looks like a nice picturesque vacation for these gentlemen. One of them is taking a selfie in the far left and the other is confused and taking a picture of the cameraman taking a picture of him. But again Pak is world famous for a few things and one of them is taking care of guests well. Yes, Abhinandan included.
 
Proof only work for those who need one, for Indian there is only one truth which support their truth, otherwise every other truth is mere propaganda to dilute their holy truth, and Pak should realize this is the only truth. So Pak army should rather focus on their duty and stop this truth game because no truth greater than indian truth, because there truth is believed by more than billion people. in such a scenario there is no hope for the real truth. Peace.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
The only thing i am worried is the present slow down in the economy.
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What about the videos circulating in social media to the torture these extremist rss and bjp goons are inflicting on minorities such as muslims,sikhs,christians ,kashmiris etc.. Aren't you concerned that india is turning in to an extremist hindu ideolgist country?
 
szundercover said:
What about the videos circulating in social media to the torture these extremist rss and bjp goons are inflicting on minorities such as muslims,sikhs,christians ,kashmiris etc.. Aren't you concerned that india is turning in to an extremist hindu ideolgist country?
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There are plenty of rumors and videos on social media and the internet that would make humans question their own existence. Is that really your benchmark?

Apples to Apples India,Pakistan,Bangladesh,Srilanka- forget isolated incidents, tell me which country minorities are the happiest relatively speaking?

Now then you will go back to Pakistan is an islamic country argument? why does islam say minorities shouldn't be treated with respect? I don't mean that as a disrespect but just asking you based on your own logic.
 
Why is DGISPR so eager to show proofs this proactively now? I mean didn't they delay it last couple of times. Where they lying then or now?
 
rhony said:
Looks like a nice picturesque vacation for these gentlemen. One of them is taking a selfie in the far left and the other is confused and taking a picture of the cameraman taking a picture of him. But again Pak is world famous for a few things and one of them is taking care of guests well. Yes, Abhinandan included.
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So the Pakistani Military took the international diplomatic corp (invitation included the Indian HC) to the location The Indian Army labeled as "launchpads" for terrorists that they purportedly destroyed. No evidence of either was found and your response are totally unrelated observations about a group of int'l diplomats?
 
Local.Dada said:
There are plenty of rumors and videos on social media and the internet that would make humans question their own existence. Is that really your benchmark?

Apples to Apples India,Pakistan,Bangladesh,Srilanka- forget isolated incidents, tell me which country minorities are the happiest relatively speaking?

Now then you will go back to Pakistan is an islamic country argument? why does islam say minorities shouldn't be treated with respect? I don't mean that as a disrespect but just asking you based on your own logic.
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When did islam say we shouldn't treat minorities with respect? Have you even researched on islam?
 
szundercover said:
What about the videos circulating in social media to the torture these extremist rss and bjp goons are inflicting on minorities such as muslims,sikhs,christians ,kashmiris etc.. Aren't you concerned that india is turning in to an extremist hindu ideolgist country?
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Can you tell me where are the Sikhs Chfistians etc are having clashes with Hindus?

Hindu Muslim clashes happen all the time. Nothing new. Just 3-4 days back a hindu guy was killed by 2 muslims after he allgedly insulted Islam. A bounty had been announced on him.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....-leaders-killing-2119708?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

This is one example. I can give several.

If in a nation of 83% non muslims, some islamist extremist will try to foist primacy of islam, then no one is going to.tolerate it.
 
szundercover said:
When did islam say we shouldn't treat minorities with respect? Have you even researched on islam?
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Dude you misunderstood my point. That is not what I said.I respect all religions and that includes islam. I was talking about the excuse people make for minority rights in Pakistan that it is an islamic state. On the other hand they keep highlighting even the most obscure law and order skirmish especially in a big and hugely populated country like India as minority abuse .I keep hearing how India is not secular when plenty of so called minorities have achieved great success and are living happy lives. SOunds hypocritical to me and not a great defense
 
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cricketjoshila said:
Can you tell me where are the Sikhs Chfistians etc are having clashes with Hindus?

Hindu Muslim clashes happen all the time. Nothing new. Just 3-4 days back a hindu guy was killed by 2 muslims after he allgedly insulted Islam. A bounty had been announced on him.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....-leaders-killing-2119708?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

This is one example. I can give several.

If in a nation of 83% non muslims, some islamist extremist will try to foist primacy of islam, then no one is going to.tolerate it.
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I hope this is true and its good news ....I just wish modi jee would stop with this war mongering and look in to the broader perspective of going for long time peace in the subcontinent but unfortunately this will never happen with rss hindutva ideology ruling india.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Can you tell me where are the Sikhs Chfistians etc are having clashes with Hindus?

Hindu Muslim clashes happen all the time. Nothing new. Just 3-4 days back a hindu guy was killed by 2 muslims after he allgedly insulted Islam. A bounty had been announced on him.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....-leaders-killing-2119708?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

This is one example. I can give several.

If in a nation of 83% non muslims, some islamist extremist will try to foist primacy of islam, then no one is going to.tolerate it.
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Shahjahanpur

Orrissa

Do you require any others let me know happy to assist
 
skylinegtr said:
Shahjahanpur

Orrissa

Do you require any others let me know happy to assist
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I can list you 100's if not 1000's of Race related attacks and acts of bigotry in the USA. doesn't mean that USA is not a secular country and a land of opportunity where as long as you put your head down and work hard you will get success.

I am not comparing India to US here, however despite these incidents India is by and large a secular country and a successful democracy where minorities have equal rights and freedom as the majority. Minorities have flourished way more in India than they have in their neighboring countries.

In fact when civil rights movement was happening in the USA, a lot of successful Muslim businessmen and artists were being produced by India. This is just few years within the bitterness of the partition. so Please don't preach us about secularism.
 
Yeah, but outright hate is openly spouted against minorities by political leaders.
 
szundercover said:
I hope this is true and its good news ....I just wish modi jee would stop with this war mongering and look in to the broader perspective of going for long time peace in the subcontinent but unfortunately this will never happen with rss hindutva ideology ruling india.
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I have said this a number of times on PP.

Pakistan has to accept that LoC wont change. Thats the reality.

Once thats accepted,actually there is no reason to fight.
 
skylinegtr said:
Shahjahanpur

Orrissa

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Orissa is ruled by BJD. And there is no better CM in India than Naveen Patanaik.

The clashes there are due to tribals and christian missionaries fighting over conversions.
 
Kroll said:
Yeah, but outright hate is openly spouted against minorities by political leaders.
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There are people in India who believe that being a 80% hindu majority, India should be a hindu republic with minority rights being safeguarded. That happens in muslim countries and even christian majority countries.

They have the right to express their views peacefully. Views are not going to change the constitution.

If you read about the Kamlesh Tiwari.incident, you will know the issue.
 
Mesozoic said:
So you agree that Pakistan is spreading more disinformation ?
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Pakistan doesn’t need to since access to Indian Occupied Kashmir will clear everything as the access has been denied only by Indian government and its army. On the top of it, billions of dollars are spent promoting disinformation against Pakistan. The expense are never the issues for India. It is plan that is backfiring is the issues for India.

India wanted Pakistan isolated for decades that spent every bits and put every efforts to want to make that happen. Ever since the backfiring, India is getting desperate and provoking all-our war. The commercial plan’s incident was not accident. Clearly India is going nut.
 
mgtow said:
Pakistan doesn’t need to since access to Indian Occupied Kashmir will clear everything as the access has been denied only by Indian government and its army. On the top of it, billions of dollars are spent promoting disinformation against Pakistan. The expense are never the issues for India. It is plan that is backfiring is the issues for India.

India wanted Pakistan isolated for decades that spent every bits and put every efforts to want to make that happen. Ever since the backfiring, India is getting desperate and provoking all-our war. The commercial plan’s incident was not accident. Clearly India is going nut.
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True, India wasted all that money because Pakistan's governments and power centers have helped in the current economic crisis, radicalism problem etc etc. That money could have been spent on more useful stuff back home. don't you think?

Obviously I am assuming Pakistan has an economic crisis and problem with radicalism based on what I hear in the news, hopefully it is not India's billions spent in propaganda at work here.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“There is no evidence of any terrorist camps, they are all ordinary people, ordinary civilians trying to make a living” says Malaysian DHC to Pakistan after visiting onground the site of which India said had ‘terror launchpads’. Pak invited Indian diplomats but they didn’t join. <a href="https://t.co/5MDnZHzQfy">https://t.co/5MDnZHzQfy</a> <a href="https://t.co/j0Hv9f3omd">pic.twitter.com/j0Hv9f3omd</a></p>— Anas Mallick (@AnasMallick) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnasMallick/status/1186642930565603330?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Indian side has not joined us in the visit to LoC neither have they provided coordinates of the alleged “launchpads”.</p>— Dr Mohammad Faisal (@DrMFaisal) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrMFaisal/status/1186478613140512769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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You have to feel a little sorry for the RSS supporters here.
The lies they were fed are being systematically exposed..
 
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