Do Top Players Treat IPL Like A Holiday?

[ataullah]

What are the performances of Maxwell and Smith in IPL? I believe they didn't perform as expected and here they are toying with Indian bowling. Smith has played 2 magnificent innings and maxwell is reverse sweeping Shami and Bumrah yorkers. In IPL Maxwell and Smith didn't look the same.
Why is this?

 

[Rana]

Not really because a bad performance could mean the holiday could be over next year

 

[Varun]

Yep.

Since when has the IPL been about actual cricketing performances anyway? It's just a giant billboard to advertise Pan Parag and Cycle Pure Agarbathi, and if some casual "cricket fans" tune in thinking of Maxwell as some GOAT, all the more better.

 

[Xoib]

Don't think it's treated as a holiday but many top stars go easy on intensity in IPL compared to int cricket.

No I am not saying that too devalue IPL they would do the same with PSL if PSL was as big as IPL.

I think cricketers will still take some time to give same importance to franchise as they do with int cricket most of top cricketers today were still brought up with dream of representing their country at the top stage this may change after a generation or two.

 

[Rana]

Franchise cricket is a holiday

It is simply a way for big companies to invest their cash to blow on players and coaches (legal or illegal) to get money back from Sponsors

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Sour grapes?

Get over this thing already

Yes some posters say such non sense about PSL. But really? A thread about such non sense topic?

 

[watson367]

Def only delusional people think IPL standard = International Cricket. It is just a tamasha league and nothing more.

 

[Mesozoic]

What are the performances of Maxwell and Smith in IPL? I believe they didn't perform as expected and here they are toying with Indian bowling. Smith has played 2 magnificent innings and maxwell is reverse sweeping Shami and Bumrah yorkers. In IPL Maxwell and Smith didn't look the same.
Why is this?

IPL was in the UAE not at the SCG. That's a huge factor.

 

[Shaddy86]

It's also the reader why you so emerging players and intl players with less reputation doing so much better in franchise cricket. They seem to put a lot more effort than most established players and you see the end result. Franchise cricket has a long way to go yet.

 

[Slog]

No. Don’t be bitter and full of sour grapes.

What I do think does happen is that for top international cricketers there is Less pressure. If they perform great; and if they don’t perform or lose as a team they won’t lose much sleep over it.

 

[Madplayer]

If the thread is pointing at the shambles India finds itself in in the current series, then it must be noted that the conditions in Australia are different. Its not the same as India. If this series was played in India, the story would have been different.

 

[Titan24]

While I dont think thats the case as player will want to be selected next year but, thing is even if a player fails to perform for IPL team and keeps on performing at international level, the worst that can happen is that he will be released while some other franchise will take him.

At the same time, unlike what many want to believe quality and pressure of international cricket is completely different. There are 8 IPL teams and some of the local players are far from international quality and at the same time pressure of representing your national team is something completely different than franchise cricket.

So all these factors play a role.

 

[Mamoon]

Maxwell failed in IPL because he couldn’t adjust to the slowish nature of UAE wickets. He did really well on the flat pitches of England right before the IPL as well.

Smith has stated multiple times over the last few days that he was unable to find his rhythm in IPL this year. Perhaps it also had to do with the UAE pitches.

Both these players have performed in the IPL in the past so where they not treating it like a holiday then? What about the other top players who have performed this year? Was it not a holiday?

IPL is the highest form of T20 cricket in the game and on par with the WT20.

As far as holiday is concerned, I think you are confusing IPL with the low budget, ghareebon ka IPL called PSL.

PSL is a holiday league where washed up, dead cricketers can turn up and collect paychecks well past their prime because PSL franchises do not have the money to convince players like Smith and Maxwell to play in the cheap copy of IPL.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

IPL is very high quality. The only reason Maxwell is doing well is because he is an excellent home track bully, and decent everywhere else.

 

[PakPremi]

All franchise cricket is tamasha in a format that is tamasha.

 

[Savak]

There is something called being out of form. Happens to every cricketer from time to time where nothing goes right for them

 

[Rana]

Maxwell failed in IPL because he couldn’t adjust to the slowish nature of UAE wickets. He did really well on the flat pitches of England right before the IPL as well.

Smith has stated multiple times over the last few days that he was unable to find his rhythm in IPL this year. Perhaps it also had to do with the UAE pitches.

Both these players have performed in the IPL in the past so where they not treating it like a holiday then? What about the other top players who have performed this year? Was it not a holiday?

IPL is the highest form of T20 cricket in the game and on par with the WT20.

As far as holiday is concerned, I think you are confusing IPL with the low budget, ghareebon ka IPL called PSL.

PSL is a holiday league where washed up, dead cricketers can turn up and collect paychecks well past their prime because PSL franchises do not have the money to convince players like Smith and Maxwell to play in the cheap copy of IPL.

What a hypocrite

IPL apparently exposed PSL batting in UAE according to your bias, but Smith and Maxwell we’re struggling in the IPL because of the slowness of the tracks?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Of course they do. Anybody that disagrees is absolutely delusional. The same is true for all T20 leagues.

 

[Mamoon]

What a hypocrite

IPL apparently exposed PSL batting in UAE according to your bias, but Smith and Maxwell we’re struggling in the IPL because of the slowness of the tracks?

I listed as a potential reason not “the” reason. For example, it might not be the pitches but just poor form as well.

IPL exposed PSL because teams were still scoring big and were not handicapped by the slow pitches that low budget league fans use to justify the low scores.

This is not about individual, isolated examples. Even Kohli didn’t do well on UAE pitches but it doesn’t mean anything.

 

[Slim]

Franchise cricket is Franchise cricket. PSL, IPL, BBL etc. all are a joke in terms of quality and standards. Thats why if given the choice would prefer international cricket any day!

 

[Slim]

Maxwell failed in IPL because he couldn’t adjust to the slowish nature of UAE wickets. He did really well on the flat pitches of England right before the IPL as well.

Smith has stated multiple times over the last few days that he was unable to find his rhythm in IPL this year. Perhaps it also had to do with the UAE pitches.

Both these players have performed in the IPL in the past so where they not treating it like a holiday then? What about the other top players who have performed this year? Was it not a holiday?

IPL is the highest form of T20 cricket in the game and on par with the WT20.

As far as holiday is concerned, I think you are confusing IPL with the low budget, ghareebon ka IPL called PSL.

PSL is a holiday league where washed up, dead cricketers can turn up and collect paychecks well past their prime because PSL franchises do not have the money to convince players like Smith and Maxwell to play in the cheap copy of IPL.

You have lost your mind if you think IPL is as good as WT20. FGS, Mamoon, this is some ridiculous stuff.

 

[Mamoon]

You have lost your mind if you think IPL is as good as WT20. FGS, Mamoon, this is some ridiculous stuff.

What is more ridiculous - calling IPL on par with WT20 or calling PSL on par with IPL?

 

[Rana]

What is more ridiculous - calling IPL on par with WT20 or calling PSL on par with IPL?

Calling IPL on par with World T20

 

[Slim]

What is more ridiculous - calling IPL on par with WT20 or calling PSL on par with IPL?

PSL is not on par with IPL, who said that? I never claimed it so lets discuss calling IPL on an equal level to Wt20 rather than you resorting to whataboutism again!

 

[Mamoon]

PSL is not on par with IPL, who said that? I never claimed it so lets discuss calling IPL on an equal level to Wt20 rather than you resorting to whataboutism again!

Well you did.

You grouped IPL, PSL and BBL together and called them a joke in terms of quality and standard.

 

[Mamoon]

Calling IPL on par with World T20

Yeah I don’t think so.

 

[Rana]

Yeah I don’t think so.

Well then you deserve this humiliation

 

[PakPremi]

What a hypocrite

IPL apparently exposed PSL batting in UAE according to your bias, but Smith and Maxwell we’re struggling in the IPL because of the slowness of the tracks?

Also was there not a stat shown in one of the last PSL games that IPL run rate was actually lower than PSL?

 

[PakPremi]

What a hypocrite

IPL apparently exposed PSL batting in UAE according to your bias, but Smith and Maxwell we’re struggling in the IPL because of the slowness of the tracks?

Also was there not a stat shown in one of the last PSL games that IPL run rate was actually lower than PSL?

 

[Slim]

Well you did.

You grouped IPL, PSL and BBL together and called them a joke in terms of quality and standard.

Which they are.

How come you inferred i meant PSL is equal to IPL? I was talking about franchise cricket on the whole clearly in my post.

 

[Rana]

India’s best bowler today (Pandya) did not bowl a single over in the IPL, whereas the proper bowlers around him besides Agarwal went for 390.

Maybe Pandya was also enjoying an IPL holiday

 

[KoyoAli]

Maxwell failed in IPL because he couldn’t adjust to the slowish nature of UAE wickets. He did really well on the flat pitches of England right before the IPL as well.

Smith has stated multiple times over the last few days that he was unable to find his rhythm in IPL this year. Perhaps it also had to do with the UAE pitches.

Both these players have performed in the IPL in the past so where they not treating it like a holiday then? What about the other top players who have performed this year? Was it not a holiday?

IPL is the highest form of T20 cricket in the game and on par with the WT20.

As far as holiday is concerned, I think you are confusing IPL with the low budget, ghareebon ka IPL called PSL.

PSL is a holiday league where washed up, dead cricketers can turn up and collect paychecks well past their prime because PSL franchises do not have the money to convince players like Smith and Maxwell to play in the cheap copy of IPL.

Lol you are in such shock that the only way for you to find some gratification is by bashing your own countries league. Truly Ghulam mentality

 

[KoyoAli]

Isn't KL Rahul supposed to have 10 more Gears than Babar? Where were those gears on the "Flattes Pitch in Aus". Even Kholi hardly went more than run a ball.

 

[The lone Ranger]

Don't know about that but This might be the reason for Gayle, abd, McCallum, Russell's flop show in the PSL.

 

[ElRaja]

they are professional players, obviously they dont treat it as a holiday, but also these leagues are money generators really, none of these players go sleep dreaming about winning random sponsor generic t20 leagues for the love of a franchise.

 

[Rana]

Hats off to OP though. Proper Shawn Micheals attitude era, heel version title. Paid holiday lol

 

[MMHS]

Many top players take IPL more seriously than international cricket - it’s quite natural that the loyalty is stronger where the money is. In international cricket, players have a long term reputation - a top player won’t be dropped for one poor season or couple of poor series; but IPL (Any franchise cricket), lives on few weeks - poor performance can be accepted or explained but if there is any question on commitment, player’s reputation won’t buy him a lucrative contract next year.

 

[naseem]

Paid holiday 4 established stars like Smith Kane Cummins....Maxi was seriously struggling.....
But not 4 not so established players both local and international like Banton Thomas Cottrell Shaw Siraj

 

[naseem]

Easy paisa........one name....one answer

 

[Rana]

Indian Paid-Holiday league)

 

[Slog]

Hats off to OP though. Proper Shawn Micheals attitude era, heel version title. Paid holiday lol

Can’t credit OP with that term too much imo when Dale Steyn literally referred time IPL using same / similar words )

 

[Rana]

Can’t credit OP with that term too much imo when Dale Steyn literally referred time IPL using same / similar words )

I mean the audacity to create such a thread...proper Sweet chin music

 

[zain7077]

‘He is more serious about his golf than cricket’: Virender Sehwag claims Glenn Maxwell plays IPL ‘only for enjoyment’
India vs Australia: Virender Sehwag claims Glenn Maxwell’s lean IPL stems from the fact that he isn’t serious about playing in the T20 league.

Former India batsman Virender Sehwag has taken a fresh jibe at Australia all-rounder Glenn Maxwell following his half-century against India after the third T20I on Wednesday. Sehwag said the reason Maxwell performs well for Australia and doesn’t in IPL with as much consistency because the batsman knows his place in the Australian limited-overs team is not for granted, while the same cannot be said about his IPL franchise Kings XI Punjab.

“His attitude changes when he plays for Australia. When he goes to Australia, he knows that if he has two or three bad innings, he will be left out of the Australian team and it will be difficult to make a comeback,” Sehwag said on the Sony Sports Network.

Maxwell had a lean IPL 2020, that saw him score 108 runs from 13 matches, statistically his worst IPL season of all time, but followed it with a glittering three-match ODI series against India where he scored 167 runs – 45, 63* and 59 and followed it with scores of 2, 22 and 54 in T20Is. Sehwag claims Maxwell’s lean IPL stems from the fact that he isn’t serious about playing in the T20 league.

“He (Maxwell) doesn’t take pressure at all (In IPL). He is there only for enjoyment. He will do everything in the match – encourage players, roam around, dance – other than scoring runs. As soon as the match is over, if he is getting free drinks, he will take that to his room or go to the room and have a lot of drinks,” Sehwag, who served as mentor of KXIP, said.

“So, I never felt that he is that serious about the game. When he comes to the IPL, he is more serious about his golf than cricket. Because if you are that serious, the performance shows.”

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...r-enjoyment/story-4sdl4PjvA1xGWoUyLnh3oO.html

 

[Indiafan]

What are the performances of Maxwell and Smith in IPL? I believe they didn't perform as expected and here they are toying with Indian bowling. Smith has played 2 magnificent innings and maxwell is reverse sweeping Shami and Bumrah yorkers. In IPL Maxwell and Smith didn't look the same.
Why is this?

I laughed aloud when you called Smith a top t20 player. He lost his team one match and almost cost the last

And also ignored others like Warner playing their heart out

 

[MenInG]

Some didnt take it as a holiday but now cant play for their own county - Ferguson.

 

[Rana]

Furgueson out for 4-6 weeks. What a life!

Fully paid holiday in the IPL, returns to play cricket for NZ on central contract basis, gets injured and should be fit for the next fully paid holiday. Mauja hi Mauja!

 

[theariezman]

Wow.... you even found a way to criticize Pakistani cricketers let alone PSL.

You must be having a special ability.

Maxwell failed in IPL because he couldn’t adjust to the slowish nature of UAE wickets. He did really well on the flat pitches of England right before the IPL as well.

Smith has stated multiple times over the last few days that he was unable to find his rhythm in IPL this year. Perhaps it also had to do with the UAE pitches.

Both these players have performed in the IPL in the past so where they not treating it like a holiday then? What about the other top players who have performed this year? Was it not a holiday?

IPL is the highest form of T20 cricket in the game and on par with the WT20.

As far as holiday is concerned, I think you are confusing IPL with the low budget, ghareebon ka IPL called PSL.

PSL is a holiday league where washed up, dead cricketers can turn up and collect paychecks well past their prime because PSL franchises do not have the money to convince players like Smith and Maxwell to play in the cheap copy of IPL.

 

[Pakhs]

Many top players take IPL more seriously than international cricket - it’s quite natural that the loyalty is stronger where the money is. In international cricket, players have a long term reputation - a top player won’t be dropped for one poor season or couple of poor series; but IPL (Any franchise cricket), lives on few weeks - poor performance can be accepted or explained but if there is any question on commitment, player’s reputation won’t buy him a lucrative contract next year.

WI players have been the best IPL performers over the last 5/6 years clearly because they have most to gain from the money, they have infact always performed better than for WI. England - Aus players have not performed as great when compared to their international stats they either performed below the levels they usually perform in international cricket or similar because they dont fear the ax as much.

I have nothing against the players its just nature as its.

 

[Technics 1210]

What is more ridiculous - calling IPL on par with WT20 or calling PSL on par with IPL?

If IPL is on par with WT20, then how comes India have not won the WT20 since the IPL started?

 

[Dingolfy]

If IPL is on par with WT20, then how comes India have not won the WT20 since the IPL started?

Just like England hasn’t won much in football in-spite of having EPL. Russians have the best volleyball league in the world but don’t exactly dominate world volleyball like Brazil whose many star players play in Russian league.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Just like England hasn’t won much in football in-spite of having EPL. Russians have the best volleyball league in the world but don’t exactly dominate world volleyball like Brazil whose many star players play in Russian league.

So you’re saying EPL is on par with the FIFA world cup!

 

[Technics 1210]

Just like England hasn’t won much in football in-spite of having EPL. Russians have the best volleyball league in the world but don’t exactly dominate world volleyball like Brazil whose many star players play in Russian league.

English teams have won UEFA championships.

Come back when you have done your homework.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Only an idiot will treat a million buck paying league as a holiday.
His bad performance might result into losing his contract.
If someone can perform at a high level while treating it as a holiday then its ok. Ex a peak Dale Steyn

 

[Dingolfy]

English teams have won UEFA championships.

Come back when you have done your homework.

And IPL teams have won Champions League T20 the most (4 times out of 7!)Seems like you are the one who didn’t do his homework.
And I thought we are discussing performance as a country here, not club teams. Just because you have the best league doesn't mean that you would win all the championships as a country. It needs a lot of things than that.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

And IPL teams have won Champions League T20 the most (4 times out of 7!)Seems like you are the one who didn’t do his homework.
And I thought we are discussing performance as a country here, not club teams. Just because you have the best league doesn't mean that you would win all the championships as a country. It needs a lot of things than that.

My friend there’s a big difference between Champions League T20 and UEFA. Champions League T20 was dotted with substandard teams from underdeveloped leagues, the only real teams in those leagues were the IPL ones. The fact that it wasn’t 7 out of 7 is absolutely shocking.

Also what happened to comparing IPL with the World T20, now you’re comparing IPL with the champions league T20?

 

[Dingolfy]

So you’re saying EPL is on par with the FIFA world cup!

No. I am saying is best league doesn’t guarantee you most wins in a a world tournament.

 

[Dingolfy]

My friend there’s a big difference between Champions League T20 and UEFA. Champions League T20 was dotted with substandard teams from underdeveloped leagues, the only real teams in those leagues were the IPL ones. The fact that it wasn’t 7 out of 7 is absolutely shocking.

Also what happened to comparing IPL with the World T20, now you’re comparing IPL with the champions league T20?

Dude, where did I compare WT20 with IPL? I just showed you the fallacy in believing the best league will automatically win you most championships as a country.
And you can only play with what is in front of us.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

No. I am saying is best league doesn’t guarantee you most wins in a a world tournament.

It should though, if you’re apparently the best league by a large large margin. Imagine if the only major competitor league-wise to the EPL was South Korea’s K League 1.

 

[Dingolfy]

It should though, if you’re apparently the best league by a large large margin. Imagine if the only major competitor league-wise to the EPL was South Korea’s K League 1.

Not exactly. Many of the best players in IPL are international players and not necessarily Indians. And we all know in cricket, how playing in different countries means in chances of winning.
And there are plenty of examples in world of sport itself. Americans don't have league in volleyball and they play in European and Russian leagues. But they are major force in world volleyball and even won Olympic golds and World championships beating teams with functioning leagues. Winning a tournament is whole different story than running a league.

 

[Dingolfy]

And India has the only ever functioning Professional Kabaddi league in the world. But that didn't stop the Iranians from beating us in Asian games in 2018.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

My friend there’s a big difference between Champions League T20 and UEFA. Champions League T20 was dotted with substandard teams from underdeveloped leagues, the only real teams in those leagues were the IPL ones. The fact that it wasn’t 7 out of 7 is absolutely shocking.

Also what happened to comparing IPL with the World T20, now you’re comparing IPL with the champions league T20?

Is it the same Champions League where 4 out of 8 teams were from IPL? Have you seen that type of favoritism in UEFA?

 

[silentkiller187]

Just like England hasn’t won much in football in-spite of having EPL. Russians have the best volleyball league in the world but don’t exactly dominate world volleyball like Brazil whose many star players play in Russian league.

He makes a good point, epl and ipl are very similar, lots of glitz glamour and money but the actual quality of the sport isn’t the best, both sets of fans claim their respective leagues are the best thing since sliced bread as well.

 

[MMHS]

It should though, if you’re apparently the best league by a large large margin. Imagine if the only major competitor league-wise to the EPL was South Korea’s K League 1.

It can in a niche sports like the Yanki sports - NFL, NBA, MLB ... but not in global sports.

There are the top leagues in some sports, and the dominant sides:

Soccer: EPL, La Liga, Seria A
Best three teams are France, Belgium & Brazil ...

Hockey (Ice): NHL
USA is not comparable with Canada & Russia

Hockey (Field): German & Dutch league, Indian League. Belgium is world champion & Australia best team over a generation

Volleyball: Italy
Best teams: Brazil, Poland, Russia

Rugby: French league
Best teams - NZ, SAF, AUS


Best league doesn’t ensure the quality of sports in that country because every top league accumulates top global talents - it doesn’t happen much in US sports because I don’t think rest of the world gives any importance to their “egg ball” or baseball. Basketball has gradually becoming a global sports and now you’ll see NBA non American best team will beat/compete with NBA USA team. This was unimaginable even 10 years back.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

It can in a niche sports like the Yanki sports - NFL, NBA, MLB ... but not in global sports.

There are the top leagues in some sports, and the dominant sides:

Soccer: EPL, La Liga, Seria A
Best three teams are France, Belgium & Brazil ...

Hockey (Ice): NHL
USA is not comparable with Canada & Russia

Hockey (Field): German & Dutch league, Indian League. Belgium is world champion & Australia best team over a generation

Volleyball: Italy
Best teams: Brazil, Poland, Russia

Rugby: French league
Best teams - NZ, SAF, AUS


Best league doesn’t ensure the quality of sports in that country because every top league accumulates top global talents - it doesn’t happen much in US sports because I don’t think rest of the world gives any importance to their “egg ball” or baseball. Basketball has gradually becoming a global sports and now you’ll see NBA non American best team will beat/compete with NBA USA team. This was unimaginable even 10 years back.

All these games are far more competitive than cricket though - all the countries you have mentioned, there is not as big of a resources gap as there is between India versus West Indies and Sri Lanka who have won the World T20 during the time period IPL has been in place.

I agree no doubt that IPL is the best league in the world, I simply disagree that it is two or three times better - T20 cricket is often reduced to a circus show for pyjama kids no matter whether it is the World T20 or LPL. Just because you have the best circus performers does not mean they will always be as entertaining - sometimes the audience will not like the show.

T20 cricket is by nature a very luck and odds based game, it’s why Chennai for example going off of Dhoni’s pure intuition can go toe to toe with a data-driven Mumbai (not including this year).

In other words, the IPL might be the best league in the world, but it is just as comparable to the World T20 as BBL is comparable to IPL.

 

[MMHS]

WI players have been the best IPL performers over the last 5/6 years clearly because they have most to gain from the money, they have infact always performed better than for WI. England - Aus players have not performed as great when compared to their international stats they either performed below the levels they usually perform in international cricket or similar because they dont fear the ax as much.

I have nothing against the players its just nature as its.

WIN has won two T20 WCs when their IPL stars were at their peak. Now, 42 years old Chris Gayle can give his everything, still he won’t do much anywhere. A professional player’s first instinct is to compete - better if it’s with big pay check. There is absolutely no reason why a professional player won’t give his best for IPL or any franchise cricket.

I read a quote from Styen here, which a PP style job - picking one liner without explaining the context. For any cricket, if there is a stake, players will give their best, unless it’s a fix.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It can in a niche sports like the Yanki sports - NFL, NBA, MLB ... but not in global sports.

There are the top leagues in some sports, and the dominant sides:

Soccer: EPL, La Liga, Seria A
Best three teams are France, Belgium & Brazil ...

Hockey (Ice): NHL
USA is not comparable with Canada & Russia

Hockey (Field): German & Dutch league, Indian League. Belgium is world champion & Australia best team over a generation

Volleyball: Italy
Best teams: Brazil, Poland, Russia

Rugby: French league
Best teams - NZ, SAF, AUS


Best league doesn’t ensure the quality of sports in that country because every top league accumulates top global talents - it doesn’t happen much in US sports because I don’t think rest of the world gives any importance to their “egg ball” or baseball. Basketball has gradually becoming a global sports and now you’ll see NBA non American best team will beat/compete with NBA USA team. This was unimaginable even 10 years back.

Bro not sure you have read some posts from IPL fans here who claimed that any IPL team can beat national teams from Pakisan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and West Indies. I think it was [MENTION=151350]Mesozoic[/MENTION] bhai who said it during the peak hours of IPL after taking 'patiala peg'.

 

[Dingolfy]

You say you are from football loving Kerala yet you came up with a dumb comparison and trying to justify it again and again. Just say you got it wrong and move on.

Dumb comparison? Lol. I am the only one who is giving you multiple examples from different sports leagues across the world that proved what I am saying. That having best league wont mean that you would win world championships. Its not my problem you don’t have know anything outside cricket and probably had to google what UEFA is.

 

[Extra_Cover]

I do not watch IPL so might not be the best person to talk on this topic. However, for franchise cricket in general my feeling is that the cricketers belonging in the top bracket don't bring the same level of intensity as they would bring in international circuit. For example, someone like Smith, Butler or Williamson would bring more intensity when they represent their countries rather than when they represent an IPL franchise. This is because they are top bracket cricketers and would earn an IPL paycheck each year regardless.

On other hand, someone like Qdk, Neesham, Stoinis or Hetmyer would bring high level of intensity in IPL leagues given this is their moment to continue the paycheck flowing each year and stake higher claims of selection in international circuit.

 

[Slog]

Just like England hasn’t won much in football in-spite of having EPL. Russians have the best volleyball league in the world but don’t exactly dominate world volleyball like Brazil whose many star players play in Russian league.

This is poor comparison and false equivalence.

English league is not the best league in the world due to English players. The teams do not have any English quota as such and pre 2015-16 some premier league teams would sometimes not have a single English player in the starting lineup. As such it is not a fair expectation that the England national team should dominate football due to the English league being the best in the world.

IPL on the other hand requires to have minimum of 7 Indian players per team.

 

[MMHS]

All these games are far more competitive than cricket though - all the countries you have mentioned, there is not as big of a resources gap as there is between India versus West Indies and Sri Lanka who have won the World T20 during the time period IPL has been in place.

I agree no doubt that IPL is the best league in the world, I simply disagree that it is two or three times better - T20 cricket is often reduced to a circus show for pyjama kids no matter whether it is the World T20 or LPL. Just because you have the best circus performers does not mean they will always be as entertaining - sometimes the audience will not like the show.

T20 cricket is by nature a very luck and odds based game, it’s why Chennai for example going off of Dhoni’s pure intuition can go toe to toe with a data-driven Mumbai (not including this year).

In other words, the IPL might be the best league in the world, but it is just as comparable to the World T20 as BBL is comparable to IPL.

It's not - still T20I WC will rank higher, much higher; in fact not even a comparison.

Here, some of the Indians actually try to get under the skin of the the trolls, who often draw a parallel between PSL & IPL, but ask them individually outside PakPassion ..... I have many, many Indian friends, in fact mine & my wife's almost entire IT support team is Indian - not a single one following cricket, have put IPL franchise over Team India - I have people from Mumbai, Hyderabad, Chennai, Bangalore, Delhi, Chandigarh, Kolkata and Gujrat/Rajasthan.

BUT, when it comes to the comparison between IPL & T20I (International bilaterals), I'll always keep IPL MUCH, MUCH higher because of few reasons -

In IPL, there are 8 teams with almost equal strength. It's the better combination, better management/captaincy, form (or lack of it) for top players ...etc determines the seasonal standing. Even then, this year all 8 teams were active in play-off hunt till like 12th round - that tells how close the teams are.

In contrast, T20I is just like a pass time - to be honest, apart from PAK, hardly any team played/plays their available best XI in T20Is - PAK does it even for dead rubbers. Therefore, T20I are devalued in two fields - 1. most of the games are played with compromised squads 2. the quality gap of the teams are quite wide, you get lots, lots of soft games in T20I, which you'll hardly get in IPL, or any draft based system. For example, BPL's quality might be much lower, but within BPL, you don't get any soft game, unless it's fixed (quite a few are there, BPL for fixers is like Colombia to Cocaine...). In T20I, there are more mis-matches than contest, hence the ranking are often quite funny.

Then, when you play in WC, you know world is watching ..... I'm not sure how many watches bilateral T20s. But, people do watch PL & SLs. Last ICC T20 event took place almost 5 years back and next one a year awaiting - in between, hardly anyone will recall anything.

 

[MMHS]

Bro not sure you have read some posts from IPL fans here who claimed that any IPL team can beat national teams from Pakisan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and West Indies. I think it was [MENTION=151350]Mesozoic[/MENTION] bhai who said it during the peak hours of IPL after taking 'patiala peg'.

some cases true, but often they do it to rile up "passionate" fans I have few bosom Indian & Pakistani friend and use used to hang around lot during breaks ..... obviously talking cricket, because we sucks in other sports.

Now, when I am chatting with Gaurav or Mukesh or .... you know, individually - they'll talk something else. But, whenever there is Khan or you know, these guys will get under the skin. And, I can figure that then and then - questions like, "a Khan, bro, yea Hasan Ali kuch jayada liberal ho gaya .... pace baar gaya keya?"
Or " Yaar, mai Kohli ko kabhi Dravid a upar nagin lunga, Q ke, uuo kavi PAK kay faaaaaaaaaaast bowlers ko nahin shamhala ....."

IPL is never going to be over WC T20, at least not until our generation is alive.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

What are the performances of Maxwell and Smith in IPL? I believe they didn't perform as expected and here they are toying with Indian bowling. Smith has played 2 magnificent innings and maxwell is reverse sweeping Shami and Bumrah yorkers. In IPL Maxwell and Smith didn't look the same.
Why is this?

During Holidays, you spend money ... in IPL, you make money!
Big Difference!

Take money aspect out of it and no one will go on the "Holidays" anymore.

 

[Dingolfy]

This is poor comparison and false equivalence.

English league is not the best league in the world due to English players. The teams do not have any English quota as such and pre 2015-16 some premier league teams would sometimes not have a single English player in the starting lineup. As such it is not a fair expectation that the England national team should dominate football due to the English league being the best in the world.

IPL on the other hand requires to have minimum of 7 Indian players per team.

IPL’s best players are often foreigners and also its played in India. And like I said above, playing surfaces decide the victories a lot in cricket.
And EPL is much more extensive and organized than IPL. They have residential academies where they catch kids from a young age and provide scientific training and diet and world-class infrastructure. IPL teams have nothing like that and still rely on existing Indian system to get their players.
And EPL is the only example I gave. Brazil dominates world volleyball but their best players play in European and Russian leagues. Americans don't even have a league but has won more Olympic golds and world championships than Germany who have a well-run professional league. Italy has one of the best volleyball leagues in the world but has only three world championships and not a single Olympic Gold whereas league-less ‘Murica has three Olympic golds.

 

[sharmaji]

I have only two issues with IPL: 1. Pak players are not part of it anymore 2. Players get injured during IPL and end up missing the matches representing their national teams.

Apart from those, I don't mind having IPL around. It is good time pass (for the entire family) and a lot of people enjoy watching it. It has made tremendous amount of money for the players, the franchisee owners and staff and generated a lot of income and jobs for many people.

I get the hate for IPL. That is because I used to work in a MNC with large brand presence (they made potato chips) and I used to hear the similar arguments there from the health agencies and activists. A lot of it is valid, but at the end of the day, it is a free world and no one is forcing you to consume it and suffer.

Coming to players having a holiday in IPL, it used to be the case before, in the initial years, with late night parties after every match. I can't mention some of the stuff I witnessed in those parties I attended (through a close friend of mine who works for an IPL franchisee); but things have changed now, sobered down, parties are not as frequent and popular and players look at IPL mostly to make money, play to justify their brand and stay fit. Not at all holiday-like.

 

[Technics 1210]

Still waiting on why India has not won the WT20 if the IPL is on par.

Just reading excuses.

 

[Rajdeep]

Maxwell and Smith fails in IPL - Do players treat IPL as holiday?

Chris Gayle and Faf Duplesis fails in PSL - Do IPL stars finds it tough against superior PSL bowling?

#Hypocricy

 

[Pakhs]

WIN has won two T20 WCs when their IPL stars were at their peak. Now, 42 years old Chris Gayle can give his everything, still he won’t do much anywhere. A professional player’s first instinct is to compete - better if it’s with big pay check. There is absolutely no reason why a professional player won’t give his best for IPL or any franchise cricket.

I read a quote from Styen here, which a PP style job - picking one liner without explaining the context. For any cricket, if there is a stake, players will give their best, unless it’s a fix.

T20s win come with big pay checks too just incase. Gayle still had a decent IPL tbf.