Does Jasprit Bumrah have a legal action?

[Bewal Express]

So now the latest excuse is " People are scared of BCCI".

That's not an excuse, that's a fact.

 

[Bewal Express]

But aren't you the one who was bleating on about how power is might, money talks... etc in that KSL thread?

He forgets that he posted that.

 

[Bewal Express]

Holding keeps speaking against BCCI, he commentates on many channels. This is only one example.

But he doesn't have any links with Ind channels or depends on the BCCI. And look at how he you Inds hate him.

 

[Bewal Express]

Lol yea everything is conspiracy theory .his actions is clean so nobody get questions aparts from some delusion pakistan fans . Coming at your point anyone can speak against BCCI if they doing anything wrong.

You mean when we raised the KPL and you said it was another conspiracy. Who was right.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But aren't you the one who was bleating on about how power is might, money talks... etc in that KSL thread?

KPL is a different issue altogether.

Next you will say, umpires will not give indian players out.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But he doesn't have any links with Ind channels or depends on the BCCI. And look at how he you Inds hate him.

If BCCI wanted to hurt his earnings, a simple msg to ecb CSA and Wicb to keep holding away from commenting on India tours would suffice.

BCCI doesn't go around punching all and sundry, they use their muscle only when required, like the PCB political league.

 

[mastimasti]

So if hyper extension is excluded then what's the problem?

Well, I mentioned some of the issues, another point which I have not yet raised and something both Akhtar and Murali suffered from is having to prove their hyperextension in a ICC sanctioned laboratory.

If the arm looks like it is chucking to the naked eye, which it does quite clearly on camera, then the umpire should call it. It is not the umpire's job to diagnose hyperextension, neither do they have the medical expertise to do so, much like you or I.

if he is tested in the required lab and it is fine, then I'm happy to go but cricket requires fairness, for all.

 

[Bewal Express]

If BCCI wanted to hurt his earnings, a simple msg to ecb CSA and Wicb to keep holding away from commenting on India tours would suffice.

BCCI doesn't go around punching all and sundry, they use their muscle only when required, like the PCB political league.

The ECB don't control Sky and ECB needs Sky more than the other way round. As you know if they could they would have done it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That's not an excuse, that's a fact.

Thats your latest excuse.

First was about laws mcc etc.

Second about how Bumrah can use more hyper extension in the game then in lab.

Now the latest is people are afraid.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well, I mentioned some of the issues, another point which I have not yet raised and something both Akhtar and Murali suffered from is having to prove their hyperextension in a ICC sanctioned laboratory.

If the arm looks like it is chucking to the naked eye, which it does quite clearly on camera, then the umpire should call it. It is not the umpire's job to diagnose hyperextension, neither do they have the medical expertise to do so, much like you or I.

if he is tested in the required lab and it is fine, then I'm happy to go but cricket requires fairness, for all.

You are talking about an era when biomechanics etc were not much used in cricket. Since then ICC has funded research and has changed protocols.

What happened to Akhtar or Murali 2 decades back is not how things are done now.

Secondly, no one has raised questions on Bumrah's action, not umpires, not experts. No one.

ICC doesn't test bowlers on the basis of threads on forums.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The ECB don't control Sky and ECB needs Sky more than the other way round. As you know if they could they would have done it.

Ecb needs BCCI more than sky. All boards have certain control over their media rights. As the likes of sky are only producers of the footage and not owners, the ownership is with ECB. So they can very well decide if xyz is part of the production, esp if india touring or not touring depends on that.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

But aren't you the one who was bleating on about how power is might, money talks... etc in that KSL thread?

He actually feels proud whenever BCCI misuse their power.

 

[Bewal Express]

Ecb needs BCCI more than sky. All boards have certain control over their media rights. As the likes of sky are only producers of the footage and not owners, the ownership is with ECB. So they can very well decide if xyz is part of the production, esp if india touring or not touring depends on that.

For a Start you misunderstand the power SKY have over the ECB because the SKY control the pay TV market and if they pulled out ECB would go bankrupt. You have the BCCI mindset, and you believe that a few under hand phone calls will do it. But SKY is too powerful and Mickey is loved by the audience.

 

[Bewal Express]

Thats your latest excuse.

First was about laws mcc etc.

Second about how Bumrah can use more hyper extension in the game then in lab.

Now the latest is people are afraid.

I told you my view and based on the laws of cricket he is chucking. The others are reasons why he hasnf been called or at least tested.

 

[cricketjoshila]

For a Start you misunderstand the power SKY have over the ECB because the SKY control the pay TV market and if they pulled out ECB would go bankrupt. You have the BCCI mindset, and you believe that a few under hand phone calls will do it. But SKY is too powerful and Mickey is loved by the audience.

There would be little outside Ashes for SKY to show if India doesn't tour. Ashes and India tours are the only two profitable tours for ECB.

And they wont want to lose one of them for one commie.

And Holding also commentates for WICB and CSA who are even more dependent on BCCI.

One commie is nobody if BCCI wants to hurt him financially but thats not what BCCI does.

And even Holding says that Bumrah has hyper extension

Now lets get back onto the topic

Laws say Bumrah's action is legal. No umpire or expert has raised doubts over his action. So why should he be tested?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I told you my view and based on the laws of cricket he is chucking. The others are reasons why he hasnf been called or at least tested.

Based on the laws he is legal as the law and its judge is ICC according to whom this is legal.

He hasn't been called because experts including former players like Holding or Bishop or Fleming etc have thoroughly analysed his action and have said that it is hyper extension.

He isnt being tested because he hasn't been reported.

ICC doesn't test players on the basis of forum threads.

 

[street cricketer]

If Bumrah's action is actually so dodgy and blatant, then at least some non-Indian cricket pundits, writers and commentators will raise concerns on or off air and he would get reported by the umpires.

But since not even a single cricket pundit or ex player or commentator has even raised a concern about the legality of Bumrah's action, there's no reason to believe that his action his dodgy.

 

[Last Monetarist]

There would be little outside Ashes for SKY to show if India doesn't tour. Ashes and India tours are the only two profitable tours for ECB.

Not to get side-tracked too much, but this is factually incorrect. Sky generally pays the same for an Indian tour as they do for other non-Ashes tours. The value of the contract does not distinguish between India or Pakistan. The reason ECB as a business turns a profit when India tour is the value of the overseas broadcasting contract with Sony (circa $60-70 million higher for an Indian tour).

 

[Bewal Express]

There would be little outside Ashes for SKY to show if India doesn't tour. Ashes and India tours are the only two profitable tours for ECB.

And they wont want to lose one of them for one commie.

And Holding also commentates for WICB and CSA who are even more dependent on BCCI.

One commie is nobody if BCCI wants to hurt him financially but thats not what BCCI does.

And even Holding says that Bumrah has hyper extension

Now lets get back onto the topic

Laws say Bumrah's action is legal. No umpire or expert has raised doubts over his action. So why should he be tested?

Was Bhajji tested?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Was Bhajji tested?

Yes. He was a couple of times.

 

[mastimasti]

You are talking about an era when biomechanics etc were not much used in cricket. Since then ICC has funded research and has changed protocols.

What happened to Akhtar or Murali 2 decades back is not how things are done now.

Secondly, no one has raised questions on Bumrah's action, not umpires, not experts. No one.

ICC doesn't test bowlers on the basis of threads on forums.

I am starting to think you are not understanding ENglish or not reading what I type, I also ready stated no one has raised nay questions in an official capacity but it is something which is clearly being discussed among fans. The fact that no one official can see issues is exactly the problem being raised here.

Tour first paragraph makes little sense, what protocols do they have in place? Do umpires have x-ray vision glasses to see how Bumrahs elbow works? If not then he still needs to be tested.

It's a simple premise, I do not wish to argue in circles.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

There would be little outside Ashes for SKY to show if India doesn't tour. Ashes and India tours are the only two profitable tours for ECB.

And they wont want to lose one of them for one commie.

And Holding also commentates for WICB and CSA who are even more dependent on BCCI.

One commie is nobody if BCCI wants to hurt him financially but thats not what BCCI does.

And even Holding says that Bumrah has hyper extension

Now lets get back onto the topic

Laws say Bumrah's action is legal. No umpire or expert has raised doubts over his action. So why should he be tested?

What? Didn't BCCI hurt Monty Panesar financially just recently? And you were doing kathakali when you came to know about that.

Poor guy lost an opportunity to earn some money because of BCCI's habit of mixing politics with sports. They can stoop so low. Almost everyone knows that. Some choose to keep quiet, some ignore them while others perform kathakali when they do that.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

He's playing intl cricket since 2016 and I suspect the IPL and domestic cricket well before that.
If his action was suspect, it would have raised questions long back. Its not.
the same guys who are jumping up and down about suspect actions and have their knickers in a twist ovetr his actions would'nt say anything about malinga, chuckthar (not that i consider him a chucker, in fact am a fan of his bowling, he brings people into stadiums), shaun tait, kyle mills et all
lets just leave it to the proverbial 'kooch jalne ki...

 

[IMMY69]

He's playing intl cricket since 2016 and I suspect the IPL and domestic cricket well before that.
If his action was suspect, it would have raised questions long back. Its not.
the same guys who are jumping up and down about suspect actions and have their knickers in a twist ovetr his actions would'nt say anything about malinga, chuckthar (not that i consider him a chucker, in fact am a fan of his bowling, he brings people into stadiums), shaun tait, kyle mills et all
lets just leave it to the proverbial 'kooch jalne ki...

Well this thread was set up in 2016, 5 years ago. So its not something that has just popped up.

The question as to why officials, commentators etc have failed to bring it up is up for debate.

 

[Itachi]

I am starting to think you are not understanding ENglish or not reading what I type, I also ready stated no one has raised nay questions in an official capacity but it is something which is clearly being discussed among fans. The fact that no one official can see issues is exactly the problem being raised here.

Lol.... If we go by fans logics, we should conclude that there's conspiracy going on against Umar Akmal for rejecting him a position in the team.

When people don't know the difference between flexion, extension and hyper extension, they shouldn't be making remark about illegal delivery.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lol.... If we go by fans logics, we should conclude that there's conspiracy going on against Umar Akmal for rejecting him a position in the team.

When people don't know the difference between flexion, extension and hyper extension, they shouldn't be making remark about illegal delivery.

You are right. And you can include millions of indian fans in those people as well because those fans used to call Akhtar a chucker too without any knowledge about hyperextension.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Bumrah's action is legal from my observations.

His action is very ugly and will result in many injuries, but, the only time his action pushes the limits of legality are when he tries outswing.

His action can get the ball to inswing quite easily, but outswing would naturally be difficult. I would not be surprised if his arm bends a little more, along with his body falling over, when he tries outswing compared with inswing.

That's my understanding.

 

[Itachi]

You are right. And you can include millions of indian fans in those people as well because those fans used to call Akhtar a chucker too without any knowledge about hyperextension.

Exactly. Those fans were uneducated too.

 

[IcedCoffee]

Ashwin's action? Its as clear as daylight.

The only time he bent his elbow was when he copied Narine's action and told in a PC that he is trying to use more elbow as others are doing so. Some months after this incident, ICC brought in stricter protocols.

This is 2021. Bio mechanics and research in last decade has made ICC change the rules. So what happened to Akhtar in 1999 has no implications.

They can change the rules it's fine, but it's still a contentious point among fans, and if it's being brought up during broadcasting with Sky (albeit not a blatant accusation) then clearly it is something that needs to be addressed. It wouldn't hurt to silence all critics and have them tested. But of course, people will say that it's unfair and that they should just be called outright yet these same people will deny any possibility of the potential power abuse at the hands of the BCCI despite history suggesting to the contrary. Arguing otherwise is only making it worse.

 

[mastimasti]

Lol.... If we go by fans logics, we should conclude that there's conspiracy going on against Umar Akmal for rejecting him a position in the team.

When people don't know the difference between flexion, extension and hyper extension, they shouldn't be making remark about illegal delivery.

Can you tell me when BUmrah was diagnosed by an ICC accredited lab?

 

[BouncerGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1867500933720289422

 

[aboveandbeyond]

For me he definitely has a suspect action.

 

[Mrjungshook]

I just got to know he debuted in 2016.
Woww.
This guy also is playing test cricket from 7 years and i thought it has been only like 4 5 years since his debut.
He has played way less tests which i can understand why. But he will likely achieve less due to injury and age and with age the decline that he will face will make his test career look okayish at the end.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I just got to know he debuted in 2016.
Woww.
This guy also is playing test cricket from 7 years and i thought it has been only like 4 5 years since his debut.
He has played way less tests which i can understand why. But he will likely achieve less due to injury and age and with age the decline that he will face will make his test career look okayish at the end.

He made his test debut in 2018.

 

[sweep_shot]

I believe Bumrah should be tested.

If Murali and Akthar could be tested, why not Bumrah? All 3 have hyperextensions.

 

[Mrjungshook]

He made his test debut in 2018.

Yeah that is 7 years right?
I said 9 years because his odi debut was in 2016.

 

[kron]

I believe Bumrah should be tested.

If Murali and Akthar could be tested, why not Bumrah? All 3 have hyperextensions.

I think you are right. He has similar hyper extension like shoaib. If shoaib was chucking then so is bumrah.

Even though his arm bends backwards, he should still be tested.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think you are right. He has similar hyper extension like shoaib. If shoaib was chucking then so is bumrah.

Even though his arm bends backwards, he should still be tested.

During Akhtar's time most people weren't aware of Hyperextension. That's not the case now.

Now people recognise hyperextension and call it that.

Now you have ultra slow motion cameras which have much higher frame rates.

So situation isn't same.

 

[jnaveen1980]

For me he definitely has a suspect action.

As long as it is just an opinion you can even say "Steve smith has an illegal batting action" . Nobody is going to question.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I just got to know he debuted in 2016.
Woww.
This guy also is playing test cricket from 7 years and i thought it has been only like 4 5 years since his debut.
He has played way less tests which i can understand why. But he will likely achieve less due to injury and age and with age the decline that he will face will make his test career look okayish at the end.

You are talking about LOI debut. Also he missed a whole year due to stress fracture.

 

[kron]

During Akhtar's time most people weren't aware of Hyperextension. That's not the case now.

Now people recognise hyperextension and call it that.

Now you have ultra slow motion cameras which have much higher frame rates.

So situation isn't same.

Bumrah has an ultra clean action. His arm bends backwards not forwards as in the case of chucking. Infact he is too correct. He actually needs to a chuck a bit. He doesn't bend at all. Imagine him utilising the 15 degree bend. Actually I hope he does.

 

[kron]

As long as it is just an opinion you can even say "Steve smith has an illegal batting action" . Nobody is going to question.

Mummy mummy I want to report bumrah. He is chucking the ball. He is bending like rizwan on the pitch.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Ive missed a lot of posts in this thread but I wonder why people are hell bent on calling him out so much.

His actions is ugly and he is a genetic freak but it seems clean by the rules

No umpire has called him out.

No commentator has called him out.

The people calling him out on this thread present little to no evidence.

What is with this obsession with trying to pull down a man honestly going about his craft and labelling him a cheat?

 

[kron]

So here is the article folks.
Some no name journalist is no trying to discredit bumrah's achievements.

He is saying the action needs to be checked but apparently he isn't insinuating that he is chucking lmao.

Dolt much?

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TV sport commentator says there's a problem with Indian cricket star Jasprit Bumrah that everyone is too 'politically correct' to say out loud

Veteran sports commentator Ian Maurice has blamed political correctness for cricket's failure to hold Indian superstar Jasprit Bumrah up to scrutiny for what he believes is a suspect bowling action.

The Indian great has been a standout performer in this series and how well the Australians counter him in Melbourne and Sydney will go a long way to deciding whether they regain the Border-Gavaskar Trophy.

The Aussies were left in tatters at 8-70 early on the second day of the Perth Test, largely because of Bumrah's five-wicket haul as he ripped through the top order at Optus Stadium.

Cricket fans at the time called for the pace bowler's action to be investigated, after he produced devastating swing in both directions off a short run-up.

On Monday, Maurice took to X to comment on the matter, posting: 'Why has no one questioned the delivery of India paceman Bumrah? Is it not politically correct these days?

'I'm not saying he's throwing but at least the position of the arm at the point of delivery should be analyzed. Nine would have had it under the microscope some years ago.'

Bumrah's unorthodox action has indeed been discussed over the years, with some comparing it to Pakistan bowler Mohammad Hasnain, who was banned from international cricket for throwing in 2022.

At the time, renowned bowling coach and former England player Ian Pont explained why Bumrah's action is legal.

'You can see his arm straight from the wrist to elbow. The rule is when it is above the vertical that the elbow must not bend past 15 degrees,' Pont said.

'You can clearly see the forward flexion in his arm, which is a hyperextension. This is allowed (a forward bend) for people with hyper-mobile joints.

'A hyperextension is a movement in a similar direction to the direction of movement - not downward or to the side. This is why Bumrah's action is classified as legal since it is within the guidelines of hypermobility.'

Nottingham Trent University senior lecturer in biomechanics Paul Felton has worked with numerous cricket coaches and further explained how the hypermobility is an advantage for Bumrah, but a legal one.

'His hypermobility also provides further advantages (in) that he is able to maintain alignment throughout his bowling action which reduces variability in his control of line and length,' he said.

'So, his hypermobility makes him unique. That he's able to maximise speed by accessing more optimal movement patterns which increases control and provide lower injury risk.'

Aussie cricket legend Greg Chappell has also spoken on the matter, saying fans should stop questioning the 30-year-old's technique.

'India's bowlers, spearheaded by the lethal Jasprit Bumrah, looked sharper and more menacing. Australia were bundled out for 104 in 52 overs, with Bumrah proving almost unplayable at times,' Chappell wrote in a column for Sydney Morning Herald.

'By the way, please stop this nonsense of questioning Bumrah's action. It is unique, but it is unequivocally clean. It demeans a champion performer and the game to even bring it up.'

Former Australian opener David Warner has offered some insight into why the Indian star is so hard to face on the pitch.

'The key challenge of Bumrah is getting used to his action. If you haven't faced him before, it can be quite challenging,' Warner said.

'You've got to try and get used to the stutter at the crease. And then he lets go some thunderbolts. He always hits line and length. Can swing them both ways.

'I think the beauty of him is he's got two different gears. He can pitch it up when the ball is new and then he can go the other length.'

The fourth Australia-India Test gets underway on Boxing Day at the MCG with the series locked at one victory apiece.

SOURCE: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/c...n-politically-correct-racism-Ian-Maurice.html

 

[Usman]

It is clear to anyone who watches Bumrah bowl that his action is potentially suspect, because the bend in his arm is visible. Lots of commentators have said however that the bend is permissible hypertension and not chucking. None of these commentators are expert scientists and they are basing their comments on the same footage you and I can see.

The fact of the matter is that there is enough doubt in Bumrah’s action that it ought to be checked. However the reason it is not checked is not through some fear of being called racist or whatever, but because umpires and everyone in a position of authority in the ICC fears the repercussions of taking on the BCCI. It could end that person’s career. That is especially so as the player in question is India’s prized jewel, their golden boy.

It is messed up but long gone are the days where we had a truly independent ICC governing body who operated without fear or favour.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

It is clear to me who has watched his action that Bumrah doesn’t chuck

That opinion is shared by some of the greatest cricket figures in the world, whose level of expertise is unquestioned.

But amateurs and fans are welcome to their opinion.

 

[Pakpak]

Ive missed a lot of posts in this thread but I wonder why people are hell bent on calling him out so much.

His actions is ugly and he is a genetic freak but it seems clean by the rules

No umpire has called him out.

No commentator has called him out.

The people calling him out on this thread present little to no evidence.

India is a team which knows before WC which semi it will play at and at what venue therefore is able to select a better squad, only team which is allowed to have its fixtures played late ie the ODI WC so have a nice break after the IPL and this way the only way team which is aware of NRR scenarios at the end. The Telegrah article a day ago listed all these extra 'perks', which only happen in cricket.

And you are questioning why don't any umpire call him out. Height of naivety.


We know why no umpire has called him out or why not commie has called him out but the players are, Head was laughing in a podcast recently calling him a chucker. The point everyone is making is, if this was a Pakistani bowler or a Sri Lankan his action would have a 100% been checked. Players like Ashwin who openly admitted chucking never got checked and you're expecting Bumrah to.

 

[Devadwal]

When tomorrow bumrah yet again destroy Australia batting line up, this nonsense talk will be hot topic amongs delusion fan's .

 

[Usman]

It is clear to me who has watched his action that Bumrah doesn’t chuck

That opinion is shared by some of the greatest cricket figures in the world, whose level of expertise is unquestioned.

But amateurs and fans are welcome to their opinion.

So these “greatest cricket figures in the world” you speak of, have any of them openly said that Bumrah doesn’t chuck? Because the way I see it, most former cricketers do not discuss Bumrah’s action - that doesn’t mean they agree it is legal, but rather it means that they do not wish to create any controversy, at great personal cost to themselves, as I explained in my previous post, by challenging India’s golden boy.

In any case, even if there are greats out there who are willing to say openly that Bumrah doesn’t chuck, I disagree that “their level of expertise is unquestioned”. Yes they are expert cricketers and some are great analysts, but they are not expert scientists. None of us are. The fact is that there is enough doubt in Bumrah’s action that the only way to settle the debate on it would be for the scientists to conduct their tests. But in our messed up system where the regulator is in the back pocket of the offender, that will never happen.

 

[IMMY69]

Ive missed a lot of posts in this thread but I wonder why people are hell bent on calling him out so much.

His actions is ugly and he is a genetic freak but it seems clean by the rules

No umpire has called him out.

No commentator has called him out.

The people calling him out on this thread present little to no evidence.

What is with this obsession with trying to pull down a man honestly going about his craft and labelling him a cheat?

Whether he chucks or not, or becomes the greatest bowler to have ever played is irrelevant....
it's the hypocrisy, the fact that he hasn't been tested with that action is what baffles me.
He made his debut 8 or 9 years ago and plenty of bowlers have been tested since then so why not Bumrah?

Anyone can label it hyperextension but where the tests to prove this?

 

[Devadwal]

Whether he chucks or not, or becomes the greatest bowler to have ever played is irrelevant....
it's the hypocrisy, the fact that he hasn't been tested with that action is what baffles me.
He made his debut 8 or 9 years ago and plenty of bowlers have been tested since then so why not Bumrah?

Anyone can label it hyperextension but where the tests to prove this?

Bumrah action will be not tested because some delusion Pakistan poster's want's .​

If on - field umpires will feel that there is some problem with Bumrah's action and reported to match referee than only bumrah action can be tested .

No one has any problem with bumrah actions aparts from some Pakistan fans and we all know what is the actual reason behind this .

Bumrah is better bowler than any Pakistani pacers in the history of cricket

 

[Usman]

Bumrah action will be not tested because some delusion Pakistan poster's want's .​

If on - field umpires will feel that there is some problem with Bumrah's action and reported to match referee than only bumrah action can be tested .

No one has any problem with bumrah actions aparts from some Pakistan fans and we all know what is the actual reason behind this .

Bumrah is better bowler than any Pakistani pacers in the history of cricket

I do not understand why Indian fans are so defensive over this topic. If Bumrah’s action is clean, you don’t need to be so defensive. You should happily invite any challenge knowing that any test on Bumrah’s action will result in it being shown as clean.

If an umpire has the guts to report Bumrah, it’s no over exaggeration to suggest that that might be a career limiting move. He’d never be welcome in India again, that’s for sure. Would he ever be allowed to officiate in Indian games? Maybe not. Would he be allowed to officiate in important World Cup games involving India? Again, probably not.

This is the issue - the sport’s regulator is unfortunately not able to operate without fear or favour.

 

[Devadwal]

I do not understand why Indian fans are so defensive over this topic. If Bumrah’s action is clean, you don’t need to be so defensive. You should happily invite any challenge knowing that any test on Bumrah’s action will result in it being shown as clean.

If an umpire has the guts to report Bumrah, it’s no over exaggeration to suggest that that might be a career limiting move. He’d never be welcome in India again, that’s for sure. Would he ever be allowed to officiate in Indian games? Maybe not. Would he be allowed to officiate in important World Cup games involving India? Again, probably not.

This is the issue - the sport’s regulator is unfortunately not able to operate without fear or favour.

If on - field umpires will feel that there is some problem with Bumrah's action and reported to match referee than only bumrah action can be tested. Period​

If umpires are so favourable for Indian team than India would have not lost a lot matches and Sachin century list was more than 100s.

This is only Pakistan fan's mentality that umpires were/ are doing any favours to India . this is just pathetic as it can gets.

What's amature fan's think about bumrah action is total nonsense ,his action is clean so no need to be tested becouse some fans wanted.

 

[Bewal Express]

As I said many times, it's dodgy to put it mildly. The IPL power has saved him from real scrutiny.

 

[Devadwal]

As I said many times, it's dodgy to put it mildly. The IPL power has saved him from real scrutiny.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Whether he chucks or not, or becomes the greatest bowler to have ever played is irrelevant....
it's the hypocrisy, the fact that he hasn't been tested with that action is what baffles me.
He made his debut 8 or 9 years ago and plenty of bowlers have been tested since then so why not Bumrah?

Anyone can label it hyperextension but where the tests to prove this?

Al Amin Hussain from Bangladesh had similar action. Straightaway he was called and tested because he was not from India.

Getting called up for a suspected action is enough to mentally scar players. That Bumrah was lucky to not face it.

 

[stani_pak]

IF Bumchuckrah was from another questions he would have been tested a long time ago

 

[Rajdeep]

It is clear to anyone who watches Bumrah bowl that his action is potentially suspect, because the bend in his arm is visible. Lots of commentators have said however that the bend is permissible hypertension and not chucking. None of these commentators are expert scientists and they are basing their comments on the same footage you and I can see.

The fact of the matter is that there is enough doubt in Bumrah’s action that it ought to be checked. However the reason it is not checked is not through some fear of being called racist or whatever, but because umpires and everyone in a position of authority in the ICC fears the repercussions of taking on the BCCI. It could end that person’s career. That is especially so as the player in question is India’s prized jewel, their golden boy.

It is messed up but long gone are the days where we had a truly independent ICC governing body who operated without fear or favour.

The likes of Ian Pont and Ian Bishop have categorically explained in detail why Bumrah doesn’t chuck, after being relentlessly spammed by jealous Pakistani fans. However, I can understand where this jealousy stems from. You never expected that one day a bowler from India would emerge and go on to become better than any fast bowler produced in the history of Pakistani cricket. The fact that Bumrah has shattered Pakistan cricket’s last standing pride—pace bowling—is the root of this envy. This is why Pakistani fans are desperate to see him banned... they are scared of his success and struggle to play against him.

Similar tactics were employed against Ashwin 5–6 years ago, especially after bowlers like Ajmal and Hafeez were banned for throwing. There was relentless spamming on ICC’s page and endless discussions about when Ashwin would be tested or banned.

In your post, you are already accusing the ICC of no longer being an independent body. So, if tomorrow, hypothetically, Bumrah gets tested and cleared, you still wouldn’t accept the result and would cry about the ICC’s bias. This whining will never end until Bumrah retires. I think it’s better for people like you to accept that bowlers like Ashwin and Bumrah are indeed special, take a reality check, and move on rather than sulking. This 24/7 victim mentality is nauseating.

#RajdeepSpeaks

 

[Mesozoic]

The likes of Ian Pont and Ian Bishop have categorically explained in detail why Bumrah doesn’t chuck, after being relentlessly spammed by jealous Pakistani fans like yourself.

Must be very hard to accept the fact that an Indian fast bowler is at the top of world while their best Test bowler currently is Khurram Shehzad.

 

[Hellion]

Blatant chuckers like Hasnain and part time chuckers are roaming free . Not to mention the tampering that Klaasen alluded too.

But yeah let's call out Bumrah because why not ?

 

[Rajdeep]

It's futile to argue with these bitter individuals.

Must be very hard to accept the fact that an Indian fast bowler is at the top of world while their best Test bowler currently is Khurram Shehzad. Just enjoy the salty tears and jog on.

This is the actual reason which people try to hide under the garb of victim card. They did the same for Tendulkar as well and still do by somehow conjuring stats of some random players and calling him better than Sachin. It is pure jealousy and nothing else. Anything good any Indian cricketer do, it is due to foul play. Remember how Kumble's 10 wickets was due to Jayaprakash?

Everyone in India appreciated Wasim Akram as unanimous GOAT back in the day. We were not salty bcoz we couldn't produce an Akram back then and had to resort with Koomar's.

 

[Bewal Express]

The likes of Ian Pont and Ian Bishop have categorically explained in detail why Bumrah doesn’t chuck, after being relentlessly spammed by jealous Pakistani fans like yourself. However, I can understand where this jealousy stems from. You never expected that one day a bowler from India would emerge and go on to become better than any fast bowler produced in the history of Pakistani cricket. The fact that Bumrah has shattered Pakistan cricket’s last standing pride—pace bowling—is the root of this envy. This is why Pakistani fans are desperate to see him banned... they are scared of his success and struggle to play against him.

Similar tactics were employed against Ashwin 5–6 years ago, especially after bowlers like Ajmal and Hafeez were banned for throwing. There was relentless spamming on ICC’s page and endless discussions about when Ashwin would be tested or banned.

In your post, you are already accusing the ICC of no longer being an independent body. So, if tomorrow, hypothetically, Bumrah gets tested and cleared, you still wouldn’t accept the result and would cry about the ICC’s bias. This whining will never end until Bumrah retires. I think it’s better for people like you to accept that bowlers like Ashwin and Bumrah are indeed special, take a reality check, and move on rather than sulking. This 24/7 victim mentality is nauseating.

#RajdeepSpeaks

But why hasn't he been tested?

 

[Bewal Express]

Blatant chuckers like Hasnain and part time chuckers are roaming free . Not to mention the tampering that Klaasen alluded too.

But yeah let's call out Bumrah because why not ?

It's not just us. Where are these calls coming from and why? Is it because he does chuck and you can't hide a basic fact

 

[Hellion]

It's not just us. Where are these calls coming from and why? Is it because he does chuck and you can't hide a basic fact

Who is making these calls? Random people on social media.

 

[Rajdeep]

But why hasn't he been tested?

Why would he?

 

[Bewal Express]

Why would he?

Because he chucks.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Ian Maurice is a respected commentator and is Australian not Pakistani.

 

[Bewal Express]

Obviously not just us. People are talking and everyone knows the truth.

 

[Bewal Express]

Ian Maurice is a respected commentator and is Australian not Pakistani.

They are like a Stalinist state that wants to shut down debate. Soon they will claim that I paid Maurice to speak up.

 

[Usman]

If on - field umpires will feel that there is some problem with Bumrah's action and reported to match referee than only bumrah action can be tested. Period​

If umpires are so favourable for Indian team than India would have not lost a lot matches and Sachin century list was more than 100s.

This is only Pakistan fan's mentality that umpires were/ are doing any favours to India . this is just pathetic as it can gets.

What's amature fan's think about bumrah action is total nonsense ,his action is clean so no need to be tested becouse some fans wanted.

There is a world of difference between umpires fairly making on-field decisions, which they obviously do, and umpires making the bold call of reporting the action of Bumrah.

Every Indian will accept that umpires must make fair on-field decisions and there’s even technology to make that happen. Many Indian fans will not accept an umpire who reports their beloved Bumrah - that umpire will be the subject of abuse and will likely curtail his own career. Why would any umpire willingly do that?

Can you imagine what would happen to that umpire if Bumrah is reported and then subsequently cleared? They will be accused of all sorts from jealously to racism etc - much like how you’re accusing me!

The fact that the whole ICC structure is unfortunately not independent is a matter of fact. Sorry but whatever you think of Bumrah, it is an undeniable fact that the ICC does, in the end, have to follow the lead of its most powerful member. If umpires truly did not fear reprisal, I cannot see how a questionable action like Bumrah would not have been reported years ago.

 

[Rajdeep]

Ian Maurice is a respected commentator and is Australian not Pakistani.

Ian Pont and Bishop were fast bowlers who made posts categorically explaining why Bumrah doesn't chuck. Who is Ian Maurice? A commentator?

Bumrah won't get tested just like how a Shaheen Afridi won't get tested until the on-field umpires report their suspect actions.

 

[guard]

Blatant chuckers like Hasnain and part time chuckers are roaming free . Not to mention the tampering that Klaasen alluded too.

But yeah let's call out Bumrah because why not ?

Did umpires or tv cameras pickup any tampering you indians are alluding to, leave klassen, his whining is well known.

 

[Devadwal]

Ian Maurice is a respected commentator and is Australian not Pakistani.

Weiterleitungshinweis

99% ex player's are already said that Bumrah action is legal. 1% idiot's are always lives in every Nation who are always talk about some conspiracy theories

 

[Rajdeep]

Obviously not just us. People are talking and everyone knows the truth.

It’s just you guys, mate. You all seem to be struggling to come to terms with the fact that Bumrah has surpassed every single Pakistani fast bowler. If this were the first time you were accusing a bowler of chucking, I might have considered your concerns genuine. However, you’ve done this before with Ashwin as well.

 

[U$ofA]

I do not understand why Indian fans are so defensive over this topic. If Bumrah’s action is clean, you don’t need to be so defensive. You should happily invite any challenge knowing that any test on Bumrah’s action will result in it being shown as clean.

If an umpire has the guts to report Bumrah, it’s no over exaggeration to suggest that that might be a career limiting move. He’d never be welcome in India again, that’s for sure. Would he ever be allowed to officiate in Indian games? Maybe not. Would he be allowed to officiate in important World Cup games involving India? Again, probably not.

This is the issue - the sport’s regulator is unfortunately not able to operate without fear or favour.

The aforementioned sport's regulator can stop being greedy, lazy and corrupt and stop taking $$$$ from BCCI. That would enable them to work without fear or favour.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Ian Pont and Bishop were fast bowlers who made posts categorically explaining why Bumrah doesn't chuck. Who is Ian Maurice? A commentator?

Bumrah won't get tested just like how a Shaheen Afridi won't get tested until the on-field umpires report their suspect actions.

I agree with Ponts assessment btw. I actually don't think he chucks it you can see my posts on this matter.

But there is enough murmurs to justify some action to settle the matter.

And no it's not just Pakistanis saying this out of jealousy. He has one of the most ugly and weird actions in cricket. To the naked eye it does look odd and highly irregular. I don't like this current style of debate from Indians that everything against them is based on Pakistani being jealous. It is a poor line of argument


Honest question, if he was not Indian would you be as supportive as you are now?

 

[Rajdeep]

Weiterleitungshinweis

99% ex player's are already said that Bumrah action is legal. 1% idiot's are always lives in every Nation who are always talk about some conspiracy theories

Suddenly Ian Maurice (whose name I heard first time) is most respected...more than likes of Ian Bishop and Ian Pont. This is what fear of Bumrah looks like.

 

[Hellion]

Did umpires or tv cameras pickup any tampering you indians are alluding to, leave klassen, his whining is well known.

Not sure why posters are upset with Klassen . Sounds just like posters on here whining about Bumrah. Don't like the mirror I suppose.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Weiterleitungshinweis

99% ex player's are already said that Bumrah action is legal. 1% idiot's are always lives in every Nation who are always talk about some conspiracy theories

Which poll did you take that shows 99% ex players?

 

[Bewal Express]

It’s just you guys, mate. You all seem to be struggling to come to terms with the fact that Bumrah has surpassed every single Pakistani fast bowler. If this were the first time you were accusing a bowler of chucking, I might have considered your concerns genuine. However, you’ve done this before with Ashwin as well. This makes it clear that you are habitual offenders, and your opinions should be taken with a grain of salt.

Well it's obvious that it isn't. Maurice isn't a PK and the media trends in Australia aren't started by PKs. He is chucker and needs to be tested but you guys know what will come of that, so it won't happen.