Does Jasprit Bumrah have a legal action?

[Bewal Express]

Ian Pont and Bishop were fast bowlers who made posts categorically explaining why Bumrah doesn't chuck. Who is Ian Maurice? A commentator?

Bumrah won't get tested just like how a Shaheen Afridi won't get tested until the on-field umpires report their suspect actions.

So surely,it could be cleared by full testing. Why are the Inds so scared?

 

[Rajdeep]

I agree with Ponts assessment btw. I actually don't think he chucks it you can see my posts on this matter.

But there is enough murmurs to justify some action to settle the matter.

And no it's not just Pakistanis saying this out of jealousy. He has one of the most ugly and weird actions in cricket. To the naked eye it does look odd and highly irregular.

Honest question, if he was not Indian would you be as supportive as you are now?

There are no murmurs elsewhere. The only places I read or hear about Bumrah's suspect action are here or on Twitter feeds of Pakistani trolls and a few so-called Sri Lankan journalists who profit by hyping up Pakistani cricket.

Even if I weren’t Indian, I would still appreciate his talent and wouldn’t resort to calling him a chucker out of jealousy.

#FACTS

 

[Usman]

Must be very hard to accept the fact that an Indian fast bowler is at the top of world while their best Test bowler currently is Khurram Shehzad.

This is the actual reason which people try to hide under the garb of victim card. They did the same for Tendulkar as well and still do by somehow conjuring stats of some random players and calling him better than Sachin. It is pure jealousy and nothing else. Anything good any Indian cricketer do, it is due to foul play. Remember how Kumble's 10 wickets was due to Jayaprakash?

Everyone in India appreciated Wasim Akram as unanimous GOAT back in the day. We were not salty bcoz we couldn't produce an Akram back then and had to resort with Koomar's.

That may well be the case for some. However to label anyone who questions Bumrah’s action of having this malicious intent is wrong. I certainly do not have such intent. I would say the same about Ajmal even after he was cleared. I say the same now about Husnain. I don’t care which flag is on the player’s shirt. If their action is potentially questionable, it should be checked. If it’s not being checked for political and financial reasons, I will call it out. Simple.

 

[Devadwal]

Which poll did you take that shows 99% ex players?

Give me some examples where ex player's were/ are said' Bumrah action is illegal '?

 

[Rajdeep]

Well it's obvious that it isn't. Maurice isn't a PK and the media trends in Australia aren't started by PKs. He is chucker and needs to be tested but you guys know what will come of that, so it won't happen.

India is touring Australia and there are many statements coming from them just like how Channel 7 sensationalized Kohli lost cool in airport. These are called pressure tactics. The genuine reviews were given by fast bowling experts like Ian Bishop and Ian Pont. But ofcourse you will ignore them.

You can keep on calling him a chucker and expose your cricket illiteracy/jealousy but don't expect anyone to fall for it simply bcoz no one apart from jealous Pakistanis has found him chucking.

 

[Rajdeep]

That may well be the case for some. However to label anyone who questions Bumrah’s action of having this malicious intent is wrong. I certainly do not have such intent. I would say the same about Ajmal even after he was cleared. I say the same now about Husnain. I don’t care which flag is on the player’s shirt. If their action is potentially questionable, it should be checked. If it’s not being checked for political and financial reasons, I will call it out. Simple.

Easy to say all that in internet. If Bumrah was chucking, umpires would have reported him by now. Bowling experts like Ian Pont and Ian Bishop have done detailed analysis why he doesn't chuck. They only did that analysis bcoz jealous Pakistanis like yourself forced them to do so with constant spamming. As I said even if Bumrah gets tested and cleared by ICC you will still cry of ICC being biased.

 

[Mesozoic]

That may well be the case for some. However to label anyone who questions Bumrah’s action of having this malicious intent is wrong. I certainly do not have such intent. I would say the same about Ajmal even after he was cleared. I say the same now about Husnain. I don’t care which flag is on the player’s shirt. If their action is potentially questionable, it should be checked. If it’s not being checked for political and financial reasons, I will call it out. Simple.

Who decides if it's "potentially questionable" ? Anonymous Pak fans on internet forums?

It's the opponent batters and the umpires that decide whether a bowler has to be checked or not. No one with a functioning braincell will say that Bumrah chucks... it's physiologically impossible for a bowler with a slingshot action to chuck. Try it for yourselves...I doubt you even know what a slingy action

 

[Rajdeep]

So there are murmurs from Pakistanis, Aussies and Sri Lankans. That's most of cricket.

Only Pakistani. That SL journalist (you should know who he is) is more Pakistani than yourself.

Pakistani's are jealous of Jasprit Bumrah because he a better fast bowler than Wasim, Imran, Waqar and Akhtar. So they are unable to digest his success and trying to find way to get him banned.

The above line is the truth and even you know it.

 

[Mesozoic]

The genuine reviews were given by fast bowling experts like Ian Bishop and Ian Pont.

Who cares about unbiased analysis done by actual fast bowling legends?

 

[Murtaza1]

Only Pakistani. That SL journalist (you should know who he is) is more Pakistani than yourself.

Pakistani's are jealous of Jasprit Bumrah because he a better fast bowler than Wasim, Imran, Waqar and Akhtar. So they are unable to digest his success and trying to find way to get him banned.

The above line is the truth and even you know it.

Bumrah is a great bowler but his action is awkward and his personality is a little lacking up against the great fast bowlers of the past. Wish him all the more success and hope he breaks all the records but I can assure you we are not jealous of him; why would there be jealousy when we have pioneered so much with such a great fast bowling legacy of our own.

 

[Devadwal]

India is touring Australia and there are many statements coming from them just like how Channel 7 sensationalized Kohli lost cool in airport. These are called pressure tactics. The genuine reviews were given by fast bowling experts like Ian Bishop and Ian Pont. But ofcourse you will ignore them.

You can keep on calling him a chucker and expose your cricket illiteracy/jealousy but don't expect anyone to fall for it simply bcoz no one apart from jealous Pakistanis has found him chucking.

Looks like Australian Cricket's support team is ready for the 4th test. When you can't counter it on field, blame him off field. old habits die hard

I'm not surprised at all but who care about theses cry babies

 

[Rajdeep]

Who cares about unbiased analysis done by actual fast bowling legends?

What I find funny is how casually and with a straight face they claim, "He’s a chucker because I said so," and then demand he be tested. This reminds me of the time Shakib was banned for failing to report fixing. Back then, their fans would text Kohli's and Rohit’s Facebook pages pretending to be bookies, take screenshots of the messages, and report them to the ICC, claiming Rohit and Kohli also failed to report bookies—demanding bans for them too.

Bhai, if you believe Bumrah chucks just by watching him on TV, but he still doesn’t get tested—good for you. Clearly, you’re better than all the international umpires and bowling experts who haven’t reported him. There’s no point crying about it daily here or on social media.

If this were the first time, I might have accepted your concern. But you did the same thing with Ashwin a few years ago. It seems to have become a habit for you guys to accuse any good bowler from India of foul play.

 

[Rajdeep]

Bumrah is a great bowler but his action is awkward and his personality is a little lacking up against the great fast bowlers of the past. Wish him all the more success and hope he breaks all the records but I can assure you we are not jealous of him; why would there be jealousy when we have pioneered so much with such a great fast bowling legacy of our own.

Don't worry for personality we have Siraj. We Bhartiya's have got all bases covered.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Only Pakistani. That SL journalist (you should know who he is) is more Pakistani than yourself.

Pakistani's are jealous of Jasprit Bumrah because he a better fast bowler than Wasim, Imran, Waqar and Akhtar. So they are unable to digest his success and trying to find way to get him banned.

The above line is the truth and even you know it.

I challenge you to sit in a stand with England fans next time India tours and you will see their reaction.

And this line of argument is silly and makes Indians look very fragile.

Do you really think Bumrah really bowls with a classical bowling action? If he bowled like let's say Glen McGrath and had same record do you still think people would call him chucker out of jealousy?

Be realistic. Bumrah has a highly controversial action that requires a lot of analysis to determine it's legality. To naked eye it is highly irregular. He is the Murali of fast bowlers - a real oddity. I do think he is clean ( I think Murali was too) but we should be honest he appears like the Street Fighter character Dhalsim that's why there is chatter. Not because he is close to 200 test wickets and people are jealous.

 

[Mesozoic]

What I find funny is how casually and with a straight face they claim, "He’s a chucker because I said so," and then demand he be tested. This reminds me of the time Shakib was banned for failing to report fixing. Back then, their fans would text Kohli's and Rohit’s Facebook pages pretending to be bookies, take screenshots of the messages, and report them to the ICC, claiming Rohit and Kohli also failed to report bookies—demanding bans for them too.

Bhai, if you believe Bumrah chucks just by watching him on TV, but he still doesn’t get tested—good for you. Clearly, you’re better than all the international umpires and bowling experts who haven’t reported him. There’s no point crying about it daily here or on social media.

If this were the first time, I might have accepted your concern. But you did the same thing with Ashwin a few years ago. It seems to have become a habit for you guys to accuse any good bowler from India of foul play.

I mean we are dealing with the bunch who used to defend Saeed 'bend it like a pitcher ' Ajmal here back when he was at the peak of his throw-athons. Joke's on us if we are expecting even an ounce of genuity from them. Just enjoy the salt and move on.

 

[AAli98]

Blatant chuckers like Hasnain and part time chuckers are roaming free . Not to mention the tampering that Klaasen alluded too.

But yeah let's call out Bumrah because why not ?

Indians were getting the ball to reverse as early as 18th over in last years World Cup..but let’s not talk about that !

 

[Devadwal]

What I find funny is how casually and with a straight face they claim, "He’s a chucker because I said so," and then demand he be tested. This reminds me of the time Shakib was banned for failing to report fixing. Back then, their fans would text Kohli's and Rohit’s Facebook pages pretending to be bookies, take screenshots of the messages, and report them to the ICC, claiming Rohit and Kohli also failed to report bookies—demanding bans for them too.

Bhai, if you believe Bumrah chucks just by watching him on TV, but he still doesn’t get tested—good for you. Clearly, you’re better than all the international umpires and bowling experts who haven’t reported him. There’s no point crying about it daily here or on social media.

If this were the first time, I might have accepted your concern. But you did the same thing with Ashwin a few years ago. It seems to have become a habit for you guys to accuse any good bowler from India of foul play.

And this is reason why no one take their views seriously .

Once great Akram Said during the world cup 2023( when pakistan ex player Hasan Raza claim " ICC is giving special ball to the indian bowler's)

I have been reading about it from last couple of days. I want to have the same things these guys are having… sounds like fun. Beizaati apni to karani hi karani saddi bhi na karwao puri duniya vich (Don’t make fun of us in front of the world, please keep those insults to yourself),” Akram said on A Sports.

 

[Fenrir]

Bumrah has a controversial action.The umpires don’t want to stick their neck out and call it illegal.I am 100% convinced if Bumrah was from Pakistan,Sri Lanka or Bangladesh the umpires would have asked for biometric tests.

 

[Rajdeep]

I challenge you to sit in a stand with England fans next time India tours and you will see their reaction.

And this line of argument is silly and makes Indians look very fragile.

Do you really think Bumrah really bowls with a classical bowling action? If he bowled like let's say Glen McGrath and had same record do you still think people would call him chucker out of jealousy?

Be realistic. Bumrah has a highly controversial action that requires a lot of analysis to determine it's legality. To naked eye it is highly irregular. He is the Murali of fast bowlers - a real oddity. I do think he is clean ( I think Murali was too) but we should be honest he appears like the Street Fighter character Dhalsim that's why there is chatter. Not because he is close to 200 test wickets and people are jealous.

How do you define a classical bowling action? As long as a bowler is bowling within the legal limits, their action is considered legal. There’s no such thing as a "classical" action. I think when you refer to a classical action, you're probably talking about an upright seam and open-chested action like McGrath and Dennis Lillee. In that case, even Waqar and Akhtar wouldn’t be considered classical bowlers, as they had side-on actions, with various theories suggesting that it helped them generate reverse swing.

 

[Rajdeep]

Indians were getting the ball to reverse as early as 18th over in last years World Cup..but let’s not talk about that !

But your experts on tv studios already did accusing Indian bowlers of using special balls

[VIDEO] ‘ICC, BCCI Providing Special Balls for Indian Bowlers Making Them Look Extraordinary’: Hasan Raza

Former Pakistan player Hasan Raza alleges that there is a nexus between the ICC, BCCI and the Umpire who provide the balls and that the Indian bowlers are given some unique balls helping them extract an insane amount of seam and swing. Speaking on a Pakistani news channel after India’s win vs...

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When Bumrah bowls well - he chucks

When Shami bowls well - ICC providing his special bowls

But but but we are not jealous

#Embarrassing

 

[Mesozoic]

Bumrah has a controversial action.The umpires don’t want to stick their neck out and call it illegal.I am 100% convinced if Bumrah was from Pakistan,Sri Lanka or Bangladesh the umpires would have asked for biometric tests.

Lol you guys do realise that this can be easily flipped on your face right?

If Matheesha Pathirana and Zaman Khan were from India, you and your ilk would have asked even for their actions to be Tested just because their actions are "weird and unorthodox" .

 

[Devadwal]

Lol you guys do realise that this can be easily flipped on your face right?

If Matheesha Pathirana and Zaman Khan were from India, you and your ilk would have asked even for their actions to be Tested just because their actions are "weird and unorthodox" .

If Malinga was Indian bowler ,these pakistan fan's would have called Malinga action illigal during his playing day's.

 

[jnaveen1980]

You are on Pakistani forum hence you think it's just Pakistanis.

I challenge you to sit in a stand with England fans next time India tours and you will see their reaction.

And this line of argument is silly and makes Indians look very fragile.

Do you really think Bumrah really bowls with a classical bowling action? If he bowled like let's say Glen McGrath and had same record do you still think people would call him chucker out of jealousy?

Be realistic. Bumrah has a highly controversial action that requires a lot of analysis to determine it's legality. To naked eye it is highly irregular. He is the Murali of fast bowlers - a real oddity. I do think he is clean ( I think Murali was too) but we should be honest he appears like the Street Fighter character Dhalsim that's why there is chatter. Not because he is close to 200 test wickets and people are jealous.

He has a legitimate action. Hence it is not reported.

 

[Hellion]

Indians were getting the ball to reverse as early as 18th over in last years World Cup..but let’s not talk about that !

No they weren't.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I have this condition joint hypermobility where i can dislocate my carpometacarpal joint at will. Basically joint between thumb and hand. There is a sports science on how these genetici conditions help in sports. If you seriously want to learn why Bumrah bowls the way he bowls you should look at from that angle not from casual cricket fan angle. You will have a better understanding.

 

[ethan hunt]

Bumrah definitely chucks the slower balls and bouncers beyond the 15 degrees. There is definite straightening of the elbow almost like how you would throw from the boundary.
Shakib and Jadeja are two others who have dodgy actions and both wear long sleeves.

 

[FearlessRoar]

If Bumrah's action is fine, what's the harm in taking a test?

 

[Devadwal]

If Bumrah's action is fine, what's the harm in taking a test?

If you're fine still do you want to take medicine??

 

[FearlessRoar]

If you're fine still do you want to take medicine??

Sometimes, patients feel fine until they visit the doctor

 

[jnaveen1980]

If Bumrah's action is fine, what's the harm in taking a test?

Actions are fine for a 1000s of bowlers. They can't all take tests.

 

[jnaveen1980]

It takes a few thousand dollars to check legality of bowling action.may be those who suspect pool some money and pay ICC to get this checked.Also bribe the umpires to call his action suspect.

 

[Bewal Express]

It takes a few thousand dollars to check legality of bowling action.may be those who suspect pool some money and pay ICC to get this checked.Also bribe the umpires to call his action suspect.

Why not do it.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Why not do it.

As i said few things have to happen before that. Bribing umpire to lie has to be the first step.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He has a legitimate action. Hence it is not reported.

I actually also believe it's legitimate. Having seen slowed down footage it seems fine and also a respected expert like Ian Pont giving it thumbs up adds further legitimately.

But on field umpires doesn't have these tools and need to make a judgment call there and then. I am surprised his weird action hasn't raised eyebrows of some umpires.

You must be honest with yourself first. To the naked eye his action is highly irregular.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

I've seen enough cricket matches and be involved in to make a fair judgment that Bumrah Chuck's.

 

[Mesozoic]

I've seen enough cricket matches and be involved in to make a fair judgment that Bumrah Chuck's.

So you're saying you know better than actual fast bowlers and coaches like Bishop and Pont?

I know you'll run away from this now but I guess I have to try my luck.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But why hasn't he been tested?

Why should he be? A bowler is tested if umpires raise suspicion. Not on the basis of what Pakistanis think.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So surely,it could be cleared by full testing. Why are the Inds so scared?

Then you will say BCCI manipulated the reports. And start whining again.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I actually also believe it's legitimate. Having seen slowed down footage it seems fine and also a respected expert like Ian Pont giving it thumbs up adds further legitimately.

But on field umpires doesn't have these tools and need to make a judgment call there and then. I am surprised his weird action hasn't raised eyebrows of some umpires.

You must be honest with yourself first. To the naked eye his action is highly irregular.

Umpires make the call in consultation with third umpire and match referee and they have access to all the footage.

Many experts like Pont Bishop Damien Fleming have explained Bumrahs action.

Unlike 2000s when hyperextension wasn't that well understood by cricket officials its well understood now. Biomechanics is part of the game.

On top of that we have ultra motion used in most matches cameras these days. They are far superior to the ones used in 2000s, more frame rates etc.. Helps in making the right call.

 

[Fanboy375]

During Akhtar's time most people weren't aware of Hyperextension. That's not the case now.

Now people recognise hyperextension and call it that.

Now you have ultra slow motion cameras which have much higher frame rates.

So situation isn't same.

Yeah I would rather listen to expert instead of fans.Bumrah is playing life half a decade yet nobody question him

 

[Bewal Express]

Then you will say BCCI manipulated the reports. And start whining again.

We will see. But let's have a report to discuss

 

[Bewal Express]

Why should he be? A bowler is tested if umpires raise suspicion. Not on the basis of what Pakistanis think.

What happens when umpires are too scared to report? You know how vindictive the Ind board is.

 

[Bewal Express]

Who decides if it's "potentially questionable" ? Anonymous Pak fans on internet forums?

It's the opponent batters and the umpires that decide whether a bowler has to be checked or not. No one with a functioning braincell will say that Bumrah chucks... it's physiologically impossible for a bowler with a slingshot action to chuck. Try it for yourselves...I doubt you even know what a slingy action

Not just us. You can't behind that cliche.

 

[Bewal Express]

Umpires make the call in consultation with third umpire and match referee and they have access to all the footage.

Many experts like Pont Bishop Damien Fleming have explained Bumrahs action.

Unlike 2000s when hyperextension wasn't that well understood by cricket officials its well understood now. Biomechanics is part of the game.

On top of that we have ultra motion used in most matches cameras these days. They are far superior to the ones used in 2000s, more frame rates etc.. Helps in making the right call.

So they only really understood when an Ind player chucks.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Umpires make the call in consultation with third umpire and match referee and they have access to all the footage.

Many experts like Pont Bishop Damien Fleming have explained Bumrahs action.

Unlike 2000s when hyperextension wasn't that well understood by cricket officials its well understood now. Biomechanics is part of the game.

On top of that we have ultra motion used in most matches cameras these days. They are far superior to the ones used in 2000s, more frame rates etc.. Helps in making the right call.

If umpires have access to these tools in real time then that's the matter settled.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

BCCI hold too much power

 

[jnaveen1980]

I actually also believe it's legitimate. Having seen slowed down footage it seems fine and also a respected expert like Ian Pont giving it thumbs up adds further legitimately.

But on field umpires doesn't have these tools and need to make a judgment call there and then. I am surprised his weird action hasn't raised eyebrows of some umpires.

You must be honest with yourself first. To the naked eye his action is highly irregular.

Even for naked eye it doesn't look chucking. It looks awkard. He has been playing over 8 years. Even when he played for IPL nobody ever thought in those angles. It looked super weird and unsustainable. That is the only thing occurred to me. Most of the doubts were based on some 2D images. Actually try imitating that image. Try beding only your wrist to the back. It is impossible. You have to be born that way.

 

[BDfanforever]

He can be tested if his average drops below 15 or something which would be dangerously low for a fast bowler lol.

 

[zaidihusain]

It is clear to anyone who watches Bumrah bowl that his action is potentially suspect, because the bend in his arm is visible. Lots of commentators have said however that the bend is permissible hypertension and not chucking. None of these commentators are expert scientists and they are basing their comments on the same footage you and I can see.

The fact of the matter is that there is enough doubt in Bumrah’s action that it ought to be checked. However the reason it is not checked is not through some fear of being called racist or whatever, but because umpires and everyone in a position of authority in the ICC fears the repercussions of taking on the BCCI. It could end that person’s career. That is especially so as the player in question is India’s prized jewel, their golden boy.

It is messed up but long gone are the days where we had a truly independent ICC governing body who operated without fear or favour.

These days ICC finds suspected actions only in players from Pakistan or Bangladesh and other small nations. ICC will never question action of any player associated with other big teams and those who are associated with IPL like Malinga or Sunil Narine etc. Bumrah's is lucky that he is playing for India otherwise he would have gone through lot of scrutiny

 

[gani999]

Anyone with a basic knowledge of biomechanics can clearly see that pacers don't benefit by chucking the ball at all. Bowling with a straight arm actually generates more pace. Chucking benefits only spinners who can add some pace by bending the elbow.

 

[Fenrir]

Lol you guys do realise that this can be easily flipped on your face right?

If Matheesha Pathirana and Zaman Khan were from India, you and your ilk would have asked even for their actions to be Tested just because their actions are "weird and unorthodox" .

I have no issues if Zaman is tested.If there are doubts about his action then the umpires should ask ICC to send him to a lab where can check his action scientifically.It will be good for him and good for the game.If he is cleared then it will be end of story else he will need to work with a coach and modify his action.

 

[Smbhayi]

. Players like Ashwin who openly admitted chucking never got checked and you're expecting Bumrah to.

And why did Ashwin chucked?

 

[Smbhayi]

IF Bumchuckrah was from another questions he would have been tested a long time ago

Is Malinga ever tested for chucking? Or ICC too scared of SL Cricket Board...?

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Is Malinga ever tested for chucking? Or ICC too scared of SL Cricket Board...?

He was slingy but not a chuckee

 

[followed]

From naked eyes it looks like he checks the ball but a test would show the actual result.

As far his action is concerned he has the ugliest action i have ever seen.

It's so ugly to watch i can't watch more than an over of that guy's action.

Ugliest batsman i have ever seen is fawad Alam and by far the ugliest bowler is jasprit bumrah guy.

 

[Smbhayi]

He was slingy but not a chuckee

Well Bumrah too have slingy action, and in Malinga's case lot of people (casual fans) questions his actions (in his playing days), but he never get reported IIRC.. ICC must be too scared of SL Cricket Board then..

In Bumrah's case (as everyone can see clearly), his bend is backward, which is not chucking even if it's beyond 90°..

 

[SpiritOf1903]

indian stans on standby itt

 

[Smbhayi]

indian stans on standby itt

Just asking you a simple question, what you see in Bumrah's action..? Forward bend or backward bend?

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Just asking you a simple question, what you see in Bumrah's action..? Forward bend or backward bend?

I see a chucker

 

[Smbhayi]

I see a chucker

So you've no answer which means you're lying..

 

[Devadwal]

I see a chucker

I see lot's of crying face in this thread.

 

[Abid Z]

Oh lord. Here we are again. This banality is infuriating.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If umpires have access to these tools in real time then that's the matter settled.

Third umpire and Match referee has.

They in consultation with onfield umpires decide to report the player for suspect action.

This is why all such reports are at the conclusion of the match.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

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I see lot's of crying face in this thread.

The irony

 

[cricketjoshila]

We will see. But let's have a report to discuss

Cricket doesn't run as per we will see of Pakistani fans.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I have no issues if Zaman is tested.If there are doubts about his action then the umpires should ask ICC to send him to a lab where can check his action scientifically.It will be good for him and good for the game.If he is cleared then it will be end of story else he will need to work with a coach and modify his action.

The umpires should have doubts and then only he can be tested.

Same applies to everyone including Bumrah.

 

[jnaveen1980]

These days ICC finds suspected actions only in players from Pakistan or Bangladesh and other small nations. ICC will never question action of any player associated with other big teams and those who are associated with IPL like Malinga or Sunil Narine etc. Bumrah's is lucky that he is playing for India otherwise he would have gone through lot of scrutiny

That is because PCB doesn't catch them in their domestic. BCCI for example catches them at lower level. India had a bowler bowling at 145k in 2008 namely Kamran khan. Shane warne had a lot to talk about him. But his action was illegal. Immediately called and weeded out as he could not bowl the same with modified action.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Cricket doesn't run as per we will see of Pakistani fans.

But it does bharat

 

[gazza619]

1. Does ICC have any reason to feel pressured by BCCI

2. Is IPL contract or career at stake for the umpires and match referee

3. Was Harbhajan Singh ever reported for a suspected bowling action for bowling the doosra

If the answer to questions 1 and 2 is a “yes” and question 3 is a “no”, then Bumrah action must be checked.

Personally I think he may be bowling with a legal action with occasional chucking. Before you think I am biased, I have the same opinion on Shoaib Akhtar as well.

 

[jnaveen1980]

1. Does ICC have any reason to feel pressured by BCCI

2. Is IPL contract or career at stake for the umpires and match referee

3. Was Harbhajan Singh ever reported for a suspected bowling action for bowling the doosra

If the answer to questions 1 and 2 is a “yes” and question 3 is a “no”, then Bumrah action must be checked.

Personally I think he may be bowling with a legal action with occasional chucking. Before you think I am biased, I have the same opinion on Shoaib Akhtar as well.

1) No
2) No
3) Yes. He was banned from using doosra

Linking everything IPL contract is nonsense. That too conveniently. Whenever India gets bad decisions from umpires that theory vanishes. Ashwin missed 7 or 8 dismissals because of umpire's call in the recent NZ series at home. Don't you think it is easy to pressurize umpires into giving them in favor of home team?

 

[stani_pak]

Is Malinga ever tested for chucking? Or ICC too scared of SL Cricket Board...?

Malinga was fine and thread is about Bumrah and his action

 

[kron]

What I would say is bumrah should take Ian Maurice to court.
File a law suitable againat him for trying to sully his reputation. Clean him out.

 

[kron]

Weiterleitungshinweis

99% ex player's are already said that Bumrah action is legal. 1% idiot's are always lives in every Nation who are always talk about some conspiracy theories

They did the same to wasim bhai for ball tampering cause they couldn't face him.

They made accusations that wasim intentionally induced changes to the ball which made it reverse swing earlier than it waa supposed to. .


Now they are having trouble vs bumrah so such accusations are being thrown about.

 

[Rajdeep]

They did the same to wasim bhai for ball tampering cause they couldn't face him.

They made accusations that wasim intentionally induced changes to the ball which made it reverse swing earlier than it waa supposed to. .


Now they are having trouble vs bumrah so such accusations are being thrown about.

TBH it is you who bumped this thread today and enjoying the fight from side-lines. May I know what is your purpose?

 

[cricketjoshila]

1. Does ICC have any reason to feel pressured by BCCI

2. Is IPL contract or career at stake for the umpires and match referee

3. Was Harbhajan Singh ever reported for a suspected bowling action for bowling the doosra

If the answer to questions 1 and 2 is a “yes” and question 3 is a “no”, then Bumrah action must be checked.

Personally I think he may be bowling with a legal action with occasional chucking. Before you think I am biased, I have the same opinion on Shoaib Akhtar as well.

Answer for 3 is yes. Reported thrice.

Answe for 2 is that Pakistani Umpires or refrees are not associated with the IPL. Even they haven't called Bumrah.

Answer 1: What pressure

 

[IMMY69]

1. Does ICC have any reason to feel pressured by BCCI

2. Is IPL contract or career at stake for the umpires and match referee

3. Was Harbhajan Singh ever reported for a suspected bowling action for bowling the doosra

If the answer to questions 1 and 2 is a “yes” and question 3 is a “no”, then Bumrah action must be checked.

Personally I think he may be bowling with a legal action with occasional chucking. Before you think I am biased, I have the same opinion on Shoaib Akhtar as well.

Answer to 3 is yes and this is justified.
if memory serves me correctly, the IPL money hadn't seeped in st that time and of course, you only need a half decent spinner to take shed loads of wickets on the distbowls produced by them (e.g Root, Michael Clarke)

 

[Usman]

The aforementioned sport's regulator can stop being greedy, lazy and corrupt and stop taking $$$$ from BCCI. That would enable them to work without fear or favour.

This doesn’t even make sense. All of the significant decision making committees of the ICC include India, and the ICC Chair is Jay Shah. So if you are calling the ICC greedy, lazy and corrupt, you are by definition attaching those labels to the BCCI who run the ICC!

Easy to say all that in internet. If Bumrah was chucking, umpires would have reported him by now. Bowling experts like Ian Pont and Ian Bishop have done detailed analysis why he doesn't chuck. They only did that analysis bcoz jealous Pakistanis like yourself forced them to do so with constant spamming. As I said even if Bumrah gets tested and cleared by ICC you will still cry of ICC being biased.

This is very circular. The point I and several others have made is simply that the BCCI yields an unhealthy amount of power and influence over the ICC. This is not up for debate. It is a fact. You can read the outgoing ICC chair’s interview if you have any doubt. It is also a legitimate point that this influence and power means that ICC officials will hesitate in acting in a way that offends the BCCI. The reaction of Indians on this thread shows that the mere mention of testing Bumrah’s action, let alone actually calling it illegal, is enough to send Indian fans into a rage. Why then would an umpire risk his career, including lucrative IPL contracts, by referring Bumrah’s action for checking? The sad fact is that umpires will not take this action, because Bumrah is the golden child of India.

You say I am motivated out of jealousy but I have repeatedly explained why I am not. At the height of Ajmal’s career, when he was number 1 in every ranking going, I was adamant that his action wasn’t clean. Here I’m not even saying that Bumrah’s action isn’t clean - it might be, but it may not. There is enough doubt however that a bowler with his action from any other nation would have been reported by now. Bumrah should be reported but he won’t be.

If you are so certain that his action is clean, you shouldn’t be so hurt about the mere discussion of his action being reported - you should be saying bring it on, because I can see his action gives the impression of chucking but I am confident the testing will show it is clean. The defensiveness of your posts suggests you’re not so sure and you’d rather shut down any debate and sweep it under the carpet.

Who decides if it's "potentially questionable" ? Anonymous Pak fans on internet forums?

It's the opponent batters and the umpires that decide whether a bowler has to be checked or not. No one with a functioning braincell will say that Bumrah chucks... it's physiologically impossible for a bowler with a slingshot action to chuck. Try it for yourselves...I doubt you even know what a slingy action

It is not opponent batters that decide, so let’s get that straight. The decision to report is one for the umpires alone. However, that doesn’t mean that anyone other than the umpires are not permitted to have an opinion! The reaction of Indian posters to others expressing an opinion is shocking - from accusations of jealousy to telling posters they don’t have any brain cells. Honestly you guys need to chill and be a bit more objective for once.

These days ICC finds suspected actions only in players from Pakistan or Bangladesh and other small nations. ICC will never question action of any player associated with other big teams and those who are associated with IPL like Malinga or Sunil Narine etc. Bumrah's is lucky that he is playing for India otherwise he would have gone through lot of scrutiny

I think generally the problem of suspect actions is not found so much in SENA nations because players are coached from a very young age, and those with suspect actions that can’t be fixed simply don’t get through the system. It’s in our subcontinent countries where players develop on the streets without professional coaching, and come to international cricket with unusual actions. However out of those subcontinent countries, India is by far and away the one that the ICC will hesitate to challenge, for the reasons I have mentioned.

 

[U$ofA]

This doesn’t even make sense. All of the significant decision making committees of the ICC include India, and the ICC Chair is Jay Shah. So if you are calling the ICC greedy, lazy and corrupt, you are by definition attaching those labels to the BCCI who run the ICC!

Jay Shah has been in charge for a few weeks. ICC has been like this for a couple of decades.

The reason ICC lacks a backbone is because they willing and eagerly take BCCI $$$. This way they do not actually put in any effort or work for their paychecks. They need to be more independent. Only way to do that, no more BCCI money. Rather, an equal amount of incoming $$ from all boards. Including the BCCI.

 

[guard]

Not sure why posters are upset with Klassen . Sounds just like posters on here whining about Bumrah. Don't like the mirror I suppose.

Klassen can take running jump of the Grand Canyon, we’re fine with the mirror, just you lot dont a look.. you wont like the reflection

 

[ethan hunt]

That fox bio comparison with Cummins shows a significant degree of straightening from Bumrah. Gotta have that tested.