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Does Jasprit Bumrah have a legal action?

All indian bowlers have legal actions especially harbajjan singh which is why you should never question the legality of their actions EVER.
 
If the umpires think that his action is illegal, they will report him.
 
Yes. He has not been reported yet, the umpires know more than the armchair experts!
 
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So far nope. Though he is only playing T20s, wait for ODIs and it will give us a better picture.
 
I think all indian bowlers are chuckers but we're ruling cricket world so what you guys can do ? :srini
 
There is a bit of doubt. I have checked his bowling in slow motion. There are certain balls where his arm bends more. Should be tested to clear all doubts.


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Well i have never accused any Indian bowler, but this guy looks he chucks! ICC should look into it!
 
I think all Indian bowlers should be tested
Saeed Ajmal once said in his interview that Ashwin & Harbhajan Singhactions are ill-legal
So they should be tested
 
Yup but some of us especially those Facebook idiots will still cry about it
 
aliasad1998 said:
Yup but some of us especially those Facebook idiots will still cry about it
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Hahahaha unfortunately them Facebook idiots will be pakistan fans. I saw a comment today on Khurrum Manzoors instagram the comment said, the player with the poorest technique. Really annoys me comments like that and other fans trolling other rivals sites
 
the yorker looks fine but the good to short length ball looks awfully jerky if u ask me. but there is no chance of him or harbhajan getting tested so it's a moot point.
 
His action is unorthodox action. Its unorthodox in a way that he doesnt use his other arm for power. Traditionally, any bowler, whether he is an off spinner, leg spinner or a pace bowler, the bowler has to use his weaker non bowling arm to generate more pace and power. As he slides his arm backwards across, more power is generated.

Jasprit Bumrah doesn't use his other arm, thus it looks as if chucks. Tendai Chatara also has a simpler action, where he doesn't use his weaker arm at all and looks as if he chucks
 
mudussir khawer said:
I think all Indian bowlers should be tested
Saeed Ajmal once said in his interview that Ashwin & Harbhajan Singhactions are ill-legal
So they should be tested
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AJmal is a fool.

Ajmal himself knew he chucked. He should had been thankful to ICC that they were allowing him to play. The success he has got in cricket, he never deserved it. Yet this guy talks alot.

Ashwin chucking in the past was right, because he said in an interview that while everyone is chuking and taking wickets why should he be forced to be left out.

BCCI already had fixed their bowlers action before ICC started its clean up. So don't blame BCCI for doing the right job
 
His action, while ugly, is legal...he hyperextends his elbow well past 0 degrees like Shoaib Akhtar.
 
Amuses me how the people with least understanding of chucking rules come up with these chucking-threads. :ajmal
 
Don't see anything amiss, though the random pic in OP shows us absolutely nothing. He does seem to have some hyper-extension, which is perfectly fine.
 
The easiest way to find those who have an insufficient knowledge about chucking and its rules is when you see static images of bowlers with all the nice L shaped graphics in red colour drawn by the side of the arm to prove that the bowler is chucking.

You can deliver a ball with your arm bent even at 40 degrees (let alone 20 degrees) as long as you don't change the position of your elbow (or straighten it less than 15 degrees) after once the arm has passed the level of your shoulder during the delivery stride. It is not the angle at the elbow at any fixed photographed point during the delivery stride, it is the angle which is created at the elbow after the arm has passed the shoulder level that matters. You can see a bowler when he chucks, but only from a video (not a set of photographs). You observe a flinging action during chucking. It is similar to the action when a deep fielder throws the ball back to the bowler. A fielder cannot throw the ball with a fixed bent arm, he has to extend/straighten the arm from an acute angle to near 180 degrees while throwing from the deep, which is why chucking is also known as "throwing".

As for Bumrah, he has hyperextension at his elbow similar to Shoaib Akhtar, RP Singh and Mustafizur Rahman to an extent. I said the same in the Akhtar thread a few days back as well. The negative angle created beyond the normal full extended position of the elbow is not considered as straightening and is not taken into consideration in the 15 degree leeway given for bowlers. Bumrah is as much a chucker as Akhtar was or Mustafizur is. They are exempted because of their flexible elbows and there was a video of Akhtar explaining Bumrah's action and saying it was similar to his hyperextension during Bumrah's debut in Australia.

Finally, as much as a flawed logic it is of using static photographs of bowlers, it is even more irrational to use it for fast bowlers because they deliver the ball with a straight on wrist unlike the finger spinners who do it with a side on wrist. So it obscures any angle and provides false representations of angles at the elbow. The correct way is to analyse the full motion of their delivery stride using a video.
 
street cricketer said:
The easiest way to find those who have an insufficient knowledge about chucking and its rules is when you see static images of bowlers with all the nice L shaped graphics in red colour drawn by the side of the arm to prove that the bowler is chucking.

You can deliver a ball with your arm bent even at 40 degrees (let alone 20 degrees) as long as you don't change the position of your elbow (or straighten it less than 15 degrees) after once the arm has passed the level of your shoulder during the delivery stride. It is not the angle at the elbow at any fixed photographed point during the delivery stride, it is the angle which is created at the elbow after the arm has passed the shoulder level that matters. You can see a bowler when he chucks, but only from a video (not a set of photographs). You observe a flinging action during chucking. It is similar to the action when a deep fielder throws the ball back to the bowler. A fielder cannot throw the ball with a fixed bent arm, he has to extend/straighten the arm from an acute angle to near 180 degrees while throwing from the deep, which is why chucking is also known as "throwing".

As for Bumrah, he has hyperextension at his elbow similar to Shoaib Akhtar, RP Singh and Mustafizur Rahman to an extent. I said the same in the Akhtar thread a few days back as well. The negative angle created beyond the normal full extended position of the elbow is not considered as straightening and is not taken into consideration in the 15 degree leeway given for bowlers. Bumrah is as much a chucker as Akhtar was or Mustafizur is. They are exempted because of their flexible elbows and there was a video of Akhtar explaining Bumrah's action and saying it was similar to his hyperextension during Bumrah's debut in Australia.

Finally, as much as a flawed logic it is of using static photographs of bowlers, it is even more irrational to use it for fast bowlers because they deliver the ball with a straight on wrist unlike the finger spinners who do it with a side on wrist. So it obscures any angle and provides false representations of angles at the elbow. The correct way is to analyse the full motion of their delivery stride using a video.
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It would be easy if he gets reported and his action checked, and then we all will know officially.
 
Not reported = not chucking in my book.

On field players and umpires are the best judges if someone is chucking. You can tell.
 
The umpires are all under BCCI's wing, if you're expecting them to report the Indian bowlers you should give yourself a nice slap to put it nicely.
 
He may not be chucking, but it's dumb to blindly believe that if umpire is not calling it, it's not chucking.

Too many flaws in this route.
 
Static image can never tell you if the action is legal or not, better watch the videos in slow mo.
 
LegendAli said:
The umpires are all under BCCI's wing, if you're expecting them to report the Indian bowlers you should give yourself a nice slap to put it nicely.
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How do you know this?

Hawkeye said:
He may not be chucking, but it's dumb to blindly believe that if umpire is not calling it, it's not chucking.

Too many flaws in this route.
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Why do you think that an Aus. Eng. or Pak umpire is biased towards India? I see no direct relationship.
 
USofA said:
How do you know this?



Why do you think that an Aus. Eng. or Pak umpire is biased towards India? I see no direct relationship.
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Who involved the bias factor?

If we assume there's no bias/pressure, even then its a totally flawed method.

Bowlers go on to bowl for YEARS with the same action, get called very late and are found chucking.

On the other hand some innocents who don't chuck even to the naked eye get called, then eventually get cleared after testing.

The method is a farce. Either make every bowler go through testing, or don't count on "views" of an umpire which can be relative.
 
Hawkeye said:
Who involved the bias factor?

If we assume there's no bias/pressure, even then its a totally flawed method.

Bowlers go on to bowl for YEARS with the same action, get called very late and are found chucking.

On the other hand some innocents who don't chuck even to the naked eye get called, then eventually get cleared after testing.

The method is a farce. Either make every bowler go through testing, or don't count on "views" of an umpire which can be relative.
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You will open a new can of worms doing this. Testing every bowler will be expensive. Additional cost to the ICC. Does the ICC want to spend the money?
 
This thread is as random as Mohammad Amir being questioned for his action. In my humble opinion, some parosis here need to get rid of this rondu and victim mentality.
 
Jasprit Bumrah has a ugly looking bowling action, but it is 100% clean and he does not chuck at all
 
^^^By playing for a BCCI owned team...easy! :-)
 
Indian_Supporter said:
Or by rectifying your action at school days and not insult the nation by chucking at internationals :ajmal

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Yep, I see Harbhajan doing that job perfectly after playing for India for 15+ years!
 
His action is fine why is this thread being bumped so much? :facepalm: . Bumrah is not going to end up atg or something so why is it so important for pp hipsters for him to be caught? :mv
 
Test all the bowlers in world cricket. That would shut all the critics who are accusing some bowlers of illegal action. It would also shut those people up who are supporting the fan-accused bowlers too (like bumrah). Win-win situation if ICC tests all the bowlers.
 
USofA said:
You will open a new can of worms doing this. Testing every bowler will be expensive. Additional cost to the ICC. Does the ICC want to spend the money?
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It will put end to any mystery at least.

They can start by only testing bowlers with 20-30+ international matches. Will reduce the sample size.
 
Is Jasprit Bumrah's action illegal?

I was watching the India vs England 2nd T20 highlights today and I have to say that Bumrah is clearly chucking the ball. It is so apparent he chucks the ball perhaps 80% of the time yet no one is taking any action against him. What do you guys think?
 
I think it's impossible for him to chuck with that action. His arm is locked even during the run-up to bowl
 
He jolts his elbow just before release. Look at the Butler dimissal today. Clearly chucked it.
 
KhanNn said:
He jolts his elbow just before release. Look at the Butler dimissal today. Clearly chucked it.
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"Jolting" his elbow or whatever is fine as long as the bend is less than 15%. He seems to have the straightest elbow of pace bowlers I have seen.
 
I agree with Rotoman. I also think that it is impossible for him to chuck with that action.
 
KhanNn said:
I was watching the India vs England 2nd T20 highlights today and I have to say that Bumrah is clearly chucking the ball. It is so apparent he chucks the ball perhaps 80% of the time yet no one is taking any action against him. What do you guys think?
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you must be kidding !! Every time I watch him bowl I cringe because I feel he will permanently lock his arm at the elbow joint because of the way he exerts so much pressure in getting that arm straight and then keeping it deadlocked.

Sorry but if there is a bowler with Zero bend then this guy is it. I think you are confusing unusual action with illegal action. Two different things.
 
Caved12 said:
You are NOT getting the point.
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You are also NOT :) As I said before, if one wants to chuck deliberately, he can easily - afterall that's due to our bio mechanics

As far as the OP is concerned, there seems to be the jolt kind of thing (as he mentioned) at the very end of Bumrah action just before the ball is released e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nTxaFiyw2I (especially if u see his deliveries at slow speeds 0.25). But whether this translates into chucking or not, we cannot commentate at all. All these camera angles sometimes provide false clues. If umpires deem his action fine than no problem with it and by now they have no problem with it.
 
cricwiz said:
You are also NOT :) As I said before, if one wants to chuck deliberately, he can easily - afterall that's due to our bio mechanics

As far as the OP is concerned, there seems to be the jolt kind of thing (as he mentioned) at the very end of Bumrah action just before the ball is released e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nTxaFiyw2I (especially if u see his deliveries at slow speeds 0.25). But whether this translates into chucking or not, we cannot commentate at all. All these camera angles sometimes provide false clues. If umpires deem his action fine than no problem with it and by now they have no problem with it.
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This is a useless thread and a useless debate. Instead of talking about how great of a last over he bowled today, we are talking about his bowling action, which to me is the most perfect bowling action in the world. Indians and Pakistanis do this a lot, nothing new. Anyways have a good one!
 
KhanNn said:
I was watching the India vs England 2nd T20 highlights today and I have to say that Bumrah is clearly chucking the ball. It is so apparent he chucks the ball perhaps 80% of the time yet no one is taking any action against him. What do you guys think?
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do you also think malinga chucks? Because both of these have slingy action which is the cleanest in world cricket
 
Indiafan said:
do you also think malinga chucks? Because both of these have slingy action which is the cleanest in world cricket
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Ohh boy, both have slingy actions???

Bumrah has a very high arm action (cannot think of any other bowler who has such a high arm action) - while Malinga has a very round arm action. Both are probably extreme in their categories. M. Johnson is another one with round arm slingy action, but not as extreme as Malinga...
 
lol someone doesn't understand cricket here. Bending with that action will probably lead to a long-term injury.
 
Yes he initially has a very straight arm but bends it later before release to get extra pace. How can you not see that?
 
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How do you explain this? I rest my case
 
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Bumrah's action is about the most legal action ever. His arm bends in the opposite direction which is natural and you can't really do that intentionally. Akhtar used to have similar capabilities which made him as fast as he was. Although I'm not aware if the 15 degree rule is applicable on the reverse bending of the elbow.
 
His action is fine if the 15 degree rule doesnt Apply in the reverse direction.
 
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