Does Misbah-ul-Haq underestimate the ability of Pakistan players?

[RyanRyan10]

When he was the skipper, Pakistan were a very defensive batting unit. Almost all Pak batsmen had low SRs wrt to that era. An attacking batsman like Umar Akmal was made to bat at 6. He got unfairly dropped a few times between 2012-2013 including CT. Fawad Alam never got a long run under his captaincy.

Misbah never tried new players even against the lower-ranked teams. He is doing the exact thing again as a coach. Even against a 14th ranked side, Misbah is playing almost 80% of his full-strength squad. No new specialist spinner was introduced in odis and a part-time had to bowl full Quota. Khushdil was made to bat 7, which is too low for a specialist batsman.

 

[Rana]

Of course he does. That’s why he is confident to manage them.

He won’t land a job as a coach anywhere outside of Pakistan

 

[khurram39]

Underestimate?

He doesn't know the players even . New trend of coaching "coach on table".

 

[Mamoon]

No, the fans severely overestimate the ability of the players.

 

[Saj]

Safety first policy, with very few risks taken in selection and approach.

Rather negative and won't work very often.

 

[Shazzam]

When he failed to leave any players behind we all of a sudden thought he could be coach that can develop players.

 

[Rana]

No, the fans severely overestimate the ability of the players.

So your saying Misbah is still a proper coach? We fans are to blame?

 

[Snowflake]

100%. He also saw himself as a very limited batsman which was evident by the way he played. He never had the belief that he could dominate the bowlers.

Because of this mindset, he's one of the most dangerous persons to be anywhere near the team. This kind of mindset has a halo effect and no wonder our unit has become a meek and scardy bunch

 

[Mamoon]

So your saying Misbah is still a proper coach? We fans are to blame?

Whether Misbah is a proper or improper coach does not matter when the team is hot garbage.

Mickey was a proper coach and he led the same set of players to 21 defeats in 25 matches prior to the World Cup where he crashed out in the group stage with a negative NRR.

You can hire the greatest cricket coach in the world and nothing will change in terms of results because the team is not good enough.

It is incredible how difficult it is for Pakistani fans to acknowledge the fact that the team is simply not good enough at the moment.

 

[Mamoon]

Ok. We are not good enough. Now what would you like us to do?

Stop looking for people to blame.

 

[Ahson8]

No, the fans severely overestimate the ability of the players.

It is both. Misbah clearly does not trust the likes of Zafar otherwise he would have played the 3rd ODI

 

[Mamoon]

Even against a 14th ranked side, Misbah is playing almost 80% of his full-strength squad. No new specialist spinner was introduced in odis and a part-time had to bowl full Quota. Khushdil was made to bat 7, which is too low for a specialist batsman.

Misbah’s statements press conferences indicate that unlike the average delusional Pakistani fan, he is fully aware of what the capability of his team is.

As I stated at the time the squad for the ZIM series was announced, Misbah will pick players that give his average team the best possible chance to win and not to pick rubbish youngsters to make delusional fans happy.

However, still, he got bullied by crying fans into dropping Hafeez, Malik, Amir etc. for some crappy youngsters. With those three, Pakistan would have walked the series 3-0.

 

[Mamoon]

It is both. Misbah clearly does not trust the likes of Zafar otherwise he would have played the 3rd ODI

After the performance of Musa and Khushdil in the third ODI, I am sure he will trust young players even less now, and I certainly don’t blame him.

 

[Rana]

You can call me whatever you want. That is your choice not mine.

You didn’t answer my question. Or maybe you did and you are saying it is ok for me to call you a hypocrite?

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Whether Misbah is a proper or improper coach does not matter when the team is hot garbage.

Mickey was a proper coach and he led the same set of players to 21 defeats in 25 matches prior to the World Cup where he crashed out in the group stage with a negative NRR.

You can hire the greatest cricket coach in the world and nothing will change in terms of results because the team is not good enough.

It is incredible how difficult it is for Pakistani fans to acknowledge the fact that the team is simply not good enough at the moment.

Did Mickey got the players he wanted. There was always a lobby to include the useless fatso UA and the tuk tuk giant Shehzad. They both keep coming back.

Then again Hafeez and Malik were undroppable

If he was supported enough at the same time pulled back.

He was trying to build a young unit . Look at Hafeez , seriously anytime can return makes him think no to retire from ODIs even after 40 yrs of age and out of contention even at the hands of Misbah.


Parching is deep rooted into the system, nothing will improve.

 

[Ahson8]

After the performance of Musa and Khushdil in the third ODI, I am sure he will trust young players even less now, and I certainly don’t blame him.

I don't know, maybe he should invest in youngsters who have good performances in domestic then, not guys with sub-40 bowling averages.

 

[Mamoon]

Did Mickey got the players he wanted. There was always a lobby to include the useless fatso UA and the tuk tuk giant Shehzad. They both keep coming back.

Then again Hafeez and Malik were undroppable

If he was supported enough at the same time pulled back.

He was trying to build a young unit . Look at Hafeez , seriously anytime can return makes him think no to retire from ODIs even after 40 yrs of age and out of contention even at the hands of Misbah.

Parching is deep rooted into the system, nothing will improve.

Pakistani fans always assume that the players playing for the team are the worst in the country and the ones sitting outside are the best.

If we didn’t pick Khushdil for the ODI series we would have been told that he is the best power-hitter in the country and would have won destroyed the Zimbabwe trundlers.

Our fans need to accept that the players playing for the team is representative of the talent pool in the country.

Maybe you can make a case for 1-2 players at best, but they are not going to make a big enough difference to take us out of our mediocrity.

We are just not good enough at the moment regardless of who we select and who we appoint as coach.

 

[Titan24]

Thing is irrespective of whether he underestimate or overestimate the team’s ability, the only way to develop players and grow as a team in modern day cricket is to form an expressive and positive mindset along with selecting the best players for that progressive culture. Irrespective of Pak’s team ability, he hasnt manifested such policies which can encourage a certain level of growth.

 

[Shafi]

Misbah has an special ability to insert fear factor in players' mind. Give him Gilchrist, Gayle, AB, Rohit .... and he will make them timid tuktukers.

 

[Shafi]

Pakistani fans always assume that the players playing for the team are the worst in the country and the ones sitting outside are the best.

If we didn’t pick Khushdil for the ODI series we would have been told that he is the best power-hitter in the country and would have won destroyed the Zimbabwe trundlers.

Our fans need to accept that the players playing for the team is representative of the talent pool in the country.

Maybe you can make a case for 1-2 players at best, but they are not going to make a big enough difference to take us out of our mediocrity.

We are just not good enough at the moment regardless of who we select and who we appoint as coach.

Khushdil only played 1 match. Attapatu scored 1 from 6 innings. You cannot make a statement of a player without giving him at least 10 matches.

 

[Rana]

Khushdil only played 1 match. Attapatu scored 1 from 6 innings. You cannot make a statement of a player without giving him at least 10 matches.

What exactly did Khushdil do wrong in that one match that he played?

 

[Shafi]

What exactly did Khushdil do wrong in that one match that he played?

Exactly!!! He scored over 30 runs in 3rd ODI (debut) but failed in super over. Some people are super judgemental.

 

[Rana]

Exactly!!! He scored over 30 runs in 3rd ODI (debut) but failed in super over. Some people are super judgemental.

Alright, so the guy who wasnt even watching the game has labeled Khushdil a failure for getting his chance after the insistence of 'Pakistan fans', and not because of his performance.

Then the same guy asks Pakistan fans to admit we are not good enough.

I mean how long will this nonsense continue? A lot of us would have preffered Khushdil to come in at a time when Pakistan were cruising to victory, that wasnt the case as the entire middle order and top order before him had failed besides Babar! He stuck in there with his captain and produced a decent partnership, on debut in an international match.

The guy was playing against his natural style and still looked better than pretenders like Rizwan who is the sole reason why people like Mamoon are spouting nonsense for the past 3 days or so

 

[Saj]

Did they really need to send Hafeez in at 4 today?

Why not send Khushdil in and give him a chance.

Such is the thinking and the mentality of the current regime.

 

[Sher Khan]

Did they really need to send Hafeez in at 4 today?

Why not send Khushdil in and give him a chance.

Such is the thinking and the mentality of the current regime.

They could have lost the match if they sent Khushdil in. We needed stability, and Hafeez guided us well to victory.

 

[RyanRyan10]

They could have lost the match if they sent Khushdil in. We needed stability, and Hafeez guided us well to victory.

Pakistan were ahead at that moment. Had Khushdil got out early , Pakistan would have still had a good chance of winning. But had, Khushdil been got a score here then it would have been a morale booster for the young guy. Misbah needs to show more confidence in his young players against a side like Zim. He is trying to play safe. He wants to win 3-0 & keep his job instead of taking even small risk to develop a youngster.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Misbah has an special ability to insert fear factor in players' mind. Give him Gilchrist, Gayle, AB, Rohit .... and he will make them timid tuktukers.

Umar Akmal had a much better start to his career than Rohit Sharma. But Misbah played Umar at 6-7 & even dropped him for inferior Odi players. Umar was mistreated in tests too. His overseas record was decent. Misbah chose to back his clones and one of them averages 38 after 75odd tests.

 

[Saj]

They could have lost the match if they sent Khushdil in. We needed stability, and Hafeez guided us well to victory.

Pakistan were 62/2 from 8 overs, they were hardly 40 for 4.

When Hafeez came in they needed 95 from 12 overs with 8 wickets in hand. As I say, why not send in Khushdil, there was nothing to lose.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan were 62/2 from 8 overs, they were hardly 40 for 4.

When Hafeez came in they needed 95 from 12 overs with 8 wickets in hand. As I say, why not send in Khushdil, there was nothing to lose.

In the next game I think Hafeez should go at 5 and Pakistan can try Shafiq or Khushdil at 4

 

[Thunderbolt14]

In the next game I think Hafeez should go at 5 and Pakistan can try Shafiq or Khushdil at 4

Watch them drop Haider and play Abdullah at 3. You heard it here first.

 

[Hasan123]

We have a poor set of players. I think Misbah is reluctant to give youngsters a chance. But that isn't due to their lack of ability. I think he prefers to trust and mange experienced players.

 

[Rana]

Watch them drop Haider and play Abdullah at 3. You heard it here first.

It’s a very Pakistani management thing to do but I hope that’s not the case

 

[Kroll]

We have a poor set of players. I think Misbah is reluctant to give youngsters a chance. But that isn't due to their lack of ability. I think he prefers to trust and mange experienced players.

Majority of them are more expired than experienced.

 

[Zaz]

Its always safety first with misbah

What kind of message is he sending out by picking new players and hsrdly or in some cases not giving them a chance at all

He seems a very insecure individual for some reason Bizarre

 

[CHETAH]

Yeah He was holding back Hafeez, Malik, Fakhar, Rizwan, Imam all along ? LOL

 

[Saj]

5 matches into the series - 0 matches for Zafar Gohar and Abdullah Shafique.

 

[shamaan]

Surely both abdullah and gohar should be given ago

Abdullah should replace fakhar with haider oppening.gohar should be replaced by fahim Ashraf

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Pakistani fans always assume that the players playing for the team are the worst in the country and the ones sitting outside are the best.

If we didn’t pick Khushdil for the ODI series we would have been told that he is the best power-hitter in the country and would have won destroyed the Zimbabwe trundlers.

Our fans need to accept that the players playing for the team is representative of the talent pool in the country.

Maybe you can make a case for 1-2 players at best, but they are not going to make a big enough difference to take us out of our mediocrity.

We are just not good enough at the moment regardless of who we select and who we appoint as coach.

Yes one player playing at the right position can make the difference. What I’m saying the the gap between playing the right player vs the wrong player

There is a huge difference and impact to play Abdv and jp duminy



KOHLI, WILLIAMSON, SMITH, BABAR make the differences in terms of scoring , similarly bowling wise playing the lethal bowler than a rubbish makes massive difference.

Playing Lakmal instead of malinga makes a difference.
Playing haider instead of Ifthikar made the difference fir them in 3rd T20.

It is indeed about selecting players, Fakhar replaced shehzad and they went on to win the tournament.

They need to back players who can play the modern day cricket and bring good results for the team.