DW News: Kashmir women say they're being harassed and sexually abused in Indian-administered Kashmir

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"I feel objectified. I feel like a piece of land that Indians were waiting to buy."<br><br>Kashmiri women say they're being harassed and sexually abused in Indian-administered Kashmir. Here are their stories. <a href="https://t.co/U219BczMEc">pic.twitter.com/U219BczMEc</a></p>— DW News (@dwnews) <a href="https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1168596632155410433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[KingKhanWC]

Sadly this is nothing new.

Under the current circumstances, its really worrying for Kashmri women having troops from a country which is the worst for women in the world occupying them.


I pray they are safe.

 

[msaaim89]

Given how rampant incidents of rape are India amongst the civilian population, it's no wonder the same behaviour is being emanated by the occupying forces.

 

[Nostalgic]

Read Basharat Peer’s Curfewed Night and you’ll see the account of the goons firing into the bus carrying a wedding party, and then, dragging the bride, who has received bullets, into the bushes and gang raping her. This and other such occurrences at least made the news. One shudders to think what they’re up to with all means of communications cut off.

Also it’s illuminating reading the sort of comments they leave on the social media accounts of the Kashmiri ladies outside Kashmir commenting on the issue. Chilling, but illuminating.

 

[PakLFC]

...and Indian people here are telling us there are only three or four incidents in IoK.

 

[msaaim89]

[MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION]

 

[MenInG]

Read Basharat Peer’s Curfewed Night and you’ll see the account of the goons firing into the bus carrying a wedding party, and then, dragging the bride, who has received bullets, into the bushes and gang raping her. This and other such occurrences at least made the news. One shudders to think what they’re up to with all means of communications cut off.

Also it’s illuminating reading the sort of comments they leave on the social media accounts of the Kashmiri ladies outside Kashmir commenting on the issue. Chilling, but illuminating.

Some Indians dont seem to think that this is a price to pay for taking 'care' of Kashmir.

 

[PakPremi]

Not surprised when a BJP minister was rejoicing and lusting over marrying "white" Kashmiri women due to this illegal occupation. Now the goons is saying forget marrying when we can have them with force and no one hold them accountable.

 

[IAJ]

Some real desperate men in that video. The idiot’s can’t even pronounce Kashmir properly and are dreaming of getting married there. Lanti jahils.

 

[Mueez]

Lanti log.

They can’t control their gaze.

Beghairat.

 

[Asim_khan]

Is it any surprise? These haters of their own dark skin disgrace their dark skinned melanin rich mother's by fetishizing and lusting after the light skin of the Kashmiri women. It's what they're taught, these pathetic disgusting animals. They've got the actions, morals and hygiene of a sewer rat.

 

[Manager101]

I hope these barbarians will face the worst punishment in this life and after-life.

 

[kk1992]

[MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION]

The person you quoted has already made it clear that he is okay with all of that because India has to commit those crimes to gain control of the region.

You will see less Indians participating in Kashmir related threads because they will be unable defend Indian government and Army crimes in Kashmir.

There is so much you can do with spinning the narrative and that too is not enough to defend Indian Army crimes.

 

[Birdman]

This should not only happen in Kashmir, it should not happen anywhere in the world. But it happens all over the world and should be condemned.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This should not only happen in Kashmir, it should not happen anywhere in the world. But it happens all over the world and should be condemned.

India is not like the rest of the world when it comes to the treatment of women.

 

[sweep_shot]

May God guide these abusers.

May God protect Kashmiri brothers and sisters.

 

[KingKhanWC]

@ All Indian posters.

Why are Indian men in your nation so prone to abusing women? Honest question.

 

[msaaim89]

@ All Indian posters.

Why are Indian men in your nation so prone to abusing women? Honest question.

Possibilities:

1) Gender ratio
2) They despise dark skin
3) Size of population so the numbers increase
4) Can't accept a woman bettering them

 

[IndianHero]

As they say for every story there are 3 sides :

1.) what ppl think or assume to have happened
2.) ppl who involved in that story tell their POV or their side of story
3.) and final side is the actual story that took place.


Whatever happened or happening is really bad and sad to these villagers especially women.But these rana ayyub, arshie qureshi & other liberal, so called 'secular' journalists have always been pro-congress & anti BJP , even anti-army as well. They conveniently turn a blind eye when stone pelters or any other militants kill innocent civilians..

For ex: See this.. https://www.aninews.in/news/world/a...in-stone-pelting-seeks-justice20190902195342/




Stone pelters killed an innocent truck driver have u seen this news in al jazeera, BBC or any pro-congress media in a plain & honest way ? No ! Even if they report they will portray them as 'innocents'

Ok the above story happened few days back.. now how about this below story ??

What about this ??

https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1168620544717029376?s=20

 

[IndianHero]

@ All Indian posters.

Why are Indian men in your nation so prone to abusing women? Honest question.

Crime done by any national be it Indian or pakistani is wrong ! A wrong is wrong and it is better to call a spade a spade & ****** a ******..

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/362321-2-322-child-abuse-cases-reported-in-six-months

 

[kk1992]

As they say for every story there are 3 sides :

1.) what ppl think or assume to have happened
2.) ppl who involved in that story tell their POV or their side of story
3.) and final side is the actual story that took place.


Whatever happened or happening is really bad and sad to these villagers especially women.But these rana ayyub, arshie qureshi & other liberal, so called 'secular' journalists have always been pro-congress & anti BJP , even anti-army as well. They conveniently turn a blind eye when stone pelters or any other militants kill innocent civilians..

For ex: See this.. https://www.aninews.in/news/world/a...in-stone-pelting-seeks-justice20190902195342/




Stone pelters killed an innocent truck driver have u seen this news in al jazeera, BBC or any pro-congress media in a plain & honest way ? No ! Even if they report they will portray them as 'innocents'

Ok the above story happened few days back.. now how about this below story ??

What about this ??

https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1168620544717029376?s=20

Suppose to arrest them and prosecute them, not rape, murder, torture or blind them.

See the difference.

Oh yea, it is an occupation.

 

[IndianHero]

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Looks like BJP migration to J & K with ladakh is going to start pretty soon

 

[IndianHero]

I hope and will pray that all such incidents to reduce and peace returns to J & K & ladakh in few months. Let's pray for that all. Peace to all.

 

[rhony]

[MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION]

I'm aware of the rapes in villages in the 90s. That was the worst phase of the Kashmir conflict. I understand they are in fear. However, I don't see these reports in Al Jazeera or BBC that it's happening now. They would absolutely report these. So far the established facts are arrests of politicians, arrest and torture of youth who are stone pelting suspects. Everybody is in lockdown. There are no stories of abuse of women in any of the established news orgs. Army and BJP will lose credibility if this is true and I don't think they will be so stupid this time around.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Crime done by any national be it Indian or pakistani is wrong ! A wrong is wrong and it is better to call a spade a spade & ****** a ******..

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/362321-2-322-child-abuse-cases-reported-in-six-months

For every one link on Pakistan, I can give you 50 on India.

Look denial is not good for your people. India is a bad place for women ,the worst in the world imo.

Care to explain what the issue with Indian men?

 

[rhony]

@ All Indian posters.

Why are Indian men in your nation so prone to abusing women? Honest question.

Why are 20 percent of all women subjected to some kind of sexual abuse in UK after they turn 16? Why do only 15 percent of them report the crime?
I'll tell you why. It's a world wide epidemic that keeps getting worse. It seems worse now because women started reporting these. It's a disease born out of patriarchal societies. It is a way to show power for fake men. It is blatant disregard of human values by sickos in our societies. The larger the population, the more the sickos. It's not limited to one country, one race and one continent.

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/about-sexual-violence/statistics-sexual-violence/

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why are 20 percent of all women subjected to some kind of sexual abuse in UK after they turn 16? Why do only 15 percent of them report the crime?
I'll tell you why. It's a world wide epidemic that keeps getting worse. It seems worse now because women started reporting these. It's a disease born out of patriarchal societies. It is a way to show power for fake men. It is blatant disregard of human values by sickos in our societies. The larger the population, the more the sickos. It's not limited to one country, one race and one continent.

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/about-sexual-violence/statistics-sexual-violence/

Do Indians learn diversion from birth.

Lets stick India which topic is about. Are you denying the rape epidemic in your country?

 

[rhony]

For every one link on Pakistan, I can give you 50 on India.

Look denial is not good for your people. India is a bad place for women ,the worst in the world imo.

Care to explain what the issue with Indian men?

Google any country's name and type rape along with it. Nobody is in denial. It's a fact and as I said a disease in men. India has progressed in the last few decades. People are not silent. They are protesting, justice is being served, women are being empowered and cases are being reported. That's a start. Long way to go though

 

[rhony]

Do Indians learn diversion from birth.

Lets stick India which topic is about. Are you denying the rape epidemic in your country?

You asked me why? I just told you why. I just showed you facts. You can choose to close your eyes but facts remain. Developed societies are no exception and developing societies across the world have this epidemic too. It is a societal ill that will take generations to stop.

 

[kk1992]

Kashmiri female said they fear Indian men they did not mention Kashmiri men.

How prevalent was rape in Kashmir before Indian army decided to use as a tool to occupy them.

Rest of the statistic presented in an attempt to divert is just that, diversion and justification of rape by Indian army.

Scary, horrible and pathetic but expected from the supporters of occupation.

 

[Manager101]

Kashmir has become a prison for the natives, the terrorist Indian army and RSS goons are taking advantage of this situation and doing these horrific acts. Shame on the Indian government, army and their supporters.

 

[msaaim89]

I'm aware of the rapes in villages in the 90s. That was the worst phase of the Kashmir conflict. I understand they are in fear. However, I don't see these reports in Al Jazeera or BBC that it's happening now. They would absolutely report these. So far the established facts are arrests of politicians, arrest and torture of youth who are stone pelting suspects. Everybody is in lockdown. There are no stories of abuse of women in any of the established news orgs. Army and BJP will lose credibility if this is true and I don't think they will be so stupid this time around.

How can they report it when you don't let independent reporters/journalists in?

 

[rhony]

How can they report it when you don't let independent reporters/journalists in?

They reported the torture.

 

[IndianHero]

How can they report it when you don't let independent reporters/journalists in?

They r allowed but they don't publish news like below :

https://twitter.com/adityarajkaul/status/1168938406686199808?s=21

https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1168620544717029376?s=20

They r only bothered to their agenda but what actually happens :

1.) Stone pelters turn violent & kill innocents

2.) Police/army try to arrest them still they resist arrest & turn violent

3.) Police/army has no choice to forcefully arrest them

Now media like BBC, Al Jazeera etc., report only 3rd point & few pakistanis want to listen to only 3rd point as it satisfies their agenda

 

[sweep_shot]

They r allowed but they don't publish news like below :

https://twitter.com/adityarajkaul/status/1168938406686199808?s=21

https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1168620544717029376?s=20

They r only bothered to their agenda but what actually happens :

1.) Stone pelters turn violent & kill innocents

2.) Police/army try to arrest them still they resist arrest & turn violent

3.) Police/army has no choice to forcefully arrest them

Now media like BBC, Al Jazeera etc., report only 3rd point & few pakistanis want to listen to only 3rd point as it satisfies their agenda

Have you ever tried to understand why they pelt stones? If they were really happy, they wouldn't need to pelt stones.

Blackout for one month is ridiculous.

 

[IndianHero]

Have you ever tried to understand why they pelt stones? If they were really happy, they wouldn't need to pelt stones.

Blackout for one month is ridiculous.

Yes we did many a times ! Most of these stone pelters r unemployed & our neighbor uses their financial situation by pumpin money to finance them for stone pelting as peace in valley doesn't meet their agenda. Infact there is rate card like if u throw stone at army vehicle u will get Rs 1000, against police Rs 500 etc,.
some of them r even drugged as well

Also u don't see much stone pelting in Jammu region & ladakh region even thou they have large muslim populations

 

[IndianHero]

Blackout is for 1 month is hard but far better than losing lives as Indian govt fears that once communication is restored , a new rate card for stone pelting (set by our neighbor) will b communicated to these stone pelters & hence they will turn violent .In fact our neighbor wants stone pelters to get injured so that it suits their agenda at the moment.

Hence u won't see any geelanis, muftis, abdullahs in this stone pelting gangs

If this stone pelting is genuine then it shuld happen irrespective of communication blackout right ?

 

[IndianHero]

Also if this stone pelting is genuine then it shuld happen right now , there shuld be choas, mayhem in valley irrespective of how many army men or police have been deployed right ? Clearly communication blackout is currently avoiding communicating that new rate card

 

[pillionrider]

So there is a perceived threat...And that somehow is reality?

That lady with her big glasses is such a typical 'researcher'. She should stick to these kind of circuits where they'll laud her 'research' and further her career.

Sure, there seem to be a lot of Indians who think Kashmiris are beautiful. But for what it's worth, I've never found that milky white skin attractive. And there were a few Kashmiri girls in school and college who were considered beautiful. One was a pretty good friend until her smugness, hypocrisies and overblown self-worth on the basis of where she's from began to grate.

Those shedding glycerin tears here don't seem to see the irony of it all. The only reason they feel tragic about it is because they used to look at Kashmir (and Kashmiri women) as something that belonged to them. And now they feel it's gone

 

[miandadrules]

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

History tell us that under these circumstances, with essentially no accountability, atrocities surge.

For all those thumbing their tricolour chest, maybe first learn to be a human.

 

[Manager101]

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

History tell us that under these circumstances, with essentially no accountability, atrocities surge.

For all those thumbing their tricolour chest, maybe first learn to be a human.

And still you will find many Indians defending it. Pathetic stuff.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Blackout is for 1 month is hard but far better than losing lives as Indian govt fears that once communication is restored , a new rate card for stone pelting (set by our neighbor) will b communicated to these stone pelters & hence they will turn violent .In fact our neighbor wants stone pelters to get injured so that it suits their agenda at the moment.

Hence u won't see any geelanis, muftis, abdullahs in this stone pelting gangs

If this stone pelting is genuine then it shuld happen irrespective of communication blackout right ?

Ha ha. Your 'neighbors' are the reason your politicians are slavering like mongrel dogs at the thought of fair skinned women? Nice spin on the topic.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

What a bunch of animals.

Support for our Kashmiri brothers. Heartbreaking stuff.

 

[IndianHero]

Ha ha. Your 'neighbors' are the reason your politicians are slavering like mongrel dogs at the thought of fair skinned women? Nice spin on the topic.

1.) At this moment, peace in J & K suits India more than pakistan & violence in J & K suits pakistan more than India.

2.) Pakistani politicians/army's business runs on 'Kashmir' and if kashmir is resolved they will be without much work.


I know deep inside u agree with my above points .

 

[Manager101]

1.) At this moment, peace in J & K suits India more than pakistan & violence in J & K suits pakistan more than India.

2.) Pakistani politicians/army's business runs on 'Kashmir' and if kashmir is resolved they will be without much work.


I know deep inside u agree with my above points .

Poor attempt of making assumptions as expected.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You asked me why? I just told you why. I just showed you facts. You can choose to close your eyes but facts remain. Developed societies are no exception and developing societies across the world have this epidemic too. It is a societal ill that will take generations to stop.

The thread is on India, why are you scared to show facts of the country the thread is discussing?

Is India a good place for women?

 

[Lonewarrior]

 

[Lonewarrior]

indian media reporting on death counts but neutral sources says more thn 19+ deaths.

 

[kk1992]

1.) At this moment, peace in J & K suits India more than pakistan & violence in J & K suits pakistan more than India.

2.) Pakistani politicians/army's business runs on 'Kashmir' and if kashmir is resolved they will be without much work.


I know deep inside u agree with my above points .

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[rhony]

The thread is on India, why are you scared to show facts of the country the thread is discussing?

Is India a good place for women?

There are more than half a billion women doing well in India. There is nothing to be scared and nobody is scared. Its just that a mirror will always be showed for selective facts. There are societal ills and they are not particular to one region or country. An Indian rapist or an English rapist or some other rapist are all the same. They don't represent any country. They just represent themselves as scumbags. So, when you generalize under the garb of selective propaganda, you will be shown a specific mirror that's close to home.

 

[Napa]

There are more than half a billion women doing well in India. There is nothing to be scared and nobody is scared. Its just that a mirror will always be showed for selective facts. There are societal ills and they are not particular to one region or country. An Indian rapist or an English rapist or some other rapist are all the same. They don't represent any country. They just represent themselves as scumbags. So, when you generalize under the garb of selective propaganda, you will be shown a specific mirror that's close to home.

India is one of the safest countries for women. Some people have a wrong idea because of the media sensationalizing individual isolated incidents of rape, and then multiple people dutifully repeating the canard for "virtue signalling".

Data is great, without it we would still be believing that the Earth is flat. The rate of rapes in South Africa, Sweden and the US are 8,000%, 4,500% and 1,500% higher than they are in India.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

In Indian culture there are a large number of female Goddesses. As someone who grew up in India I can say that the group of people most adored are the "Matajis".

 

[rhony]

India is one of the safest countries for women. Some people have a wrong idea because of the media sensationalizing individual isolated incidents of rape, and then multiple people dutifully repeating the canard for "virtue signalling".

Data is great, without it we would still be believing that the Earth is flat. The rate of rapes in South Africa, Sweden and the US are 8,000%, 4,500% and 1,500% higher than they are in India.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

In Indian culture there are a large number of female Goddesses. As someone who grew up in India I can say that the group of people most adored are the "Matajis".

Can't blame the media though. Every incident needs to be highlighted. Perverts need to know that women will report and they will be thrashed by the public or will be in jail for life.

 

[pillionrider]

Articles 370 and 35A were highly discriminatory against all indigenous minorities, says Kashmiri Overseas Association.

Asserting that Articles 370 and 35A of the Indian constitution allowed a breeding ground for armed violence in Jammu and Kashmir, a top Kashmiri-American body on Wednesday alleged that a group of propaganda-mongers are spreading misinformation and confusion about the abrogation of these provisions.

“There has been a tremendous amount of confusion, misinformation, and fear being disseminated by propaganda-mongers and the ill-informed press about the abrogation of Article 370 and 35A by the government of India,” the influential Kashmiri Overseas Association (KAO) said.

While it is human nature to condemn any injustice, like loss of internet and phone lines to the people living in the Kashmir valley, it is also prudent to understand the implication of these articles that shaped the destiny of “us minorities of the region over the last 70 years”, said the U.S.-based organisation, representing the Kashmiri diaspora.

The temporary articles 370 and 35A were highly discriminatory against all indigenous Kashmiri minorities — Sufi Muslims, Shia Muslims, Ahmadi Muslims, Dalits, Gujjars, Kashmiri Hindus (commonly known as Kashmiri Pandits), Kashmiri Sikhs, and Buddhists, it said, adding that only the majority, Sunni Muslims, were privileged to benefit from this provision.

“Article 370 and 35A allowed a breeding ground for armed violence in Kashmir,” the KAO said.

‘Influence of Wahabism’
It said the campaign of intimidation and harassment had been ongoing in the valley for decades and worsened in the late 80s with growing influence of the strait-laced interpretation of Islam propagated through “Wahabism“.

Pakistan was able to capitalize on this by financing, arming and training militant groups across the border, the KOA said, adding that this all came to a head on the night of January 19, 1990.

“Through the loudspeakers of mosques, militants screamed words of hate for minorities. ‘Convert, leave, or die’ and ‘leave your women behind and send the men off’ were popular slogans. In the weeks following, leaflets were posted on the doors of Kashmiri Hindus asking for their immediate departure from the valley or face the consequences,” the KOA said.

This was followed by the targeted killings of Kashmiri Hindus and Sikhs, in order to send a clear message to the minority communities that they were not welcome in the Kashmir valley, the KOA said in a statement to the mainstream American press.

“It uprooted peace-loving, helpless minorities. Over 500,000 Hindus and Sikhs were ethnically cleansed out of their homes with purpose to create a minority-free Kashmir valley,” it said.

Yet, because of Article 370, the government remained silent spectator, the KOA claimed.

“We were left to bear the horrors of terrorism on our own, including being forced to witness the murders and rapes of our own family members. Our community members were brutally killed, with many homes, businesses, and temples destroyed. We became refugees in our own country, some forced to live in squalid tent camps,” it said.

The KOA said it believes that abrogation of these articles, which provided special status to Jammu and Kashmir, will provide equal opportunities to all and a chance for the development of regions like Ladakh which have been neglected for far too long.

Removal of these articles will help curtail terrorism in the valley and empower women as more progressive laws will apply to them equally with the rest of the country, it said.

Proactive measures of added security, restrictions, and internet regulation placed by the Government of India are crucial to curb terrorism and prevent the loss of civilian lives and curtail the foreseen unrest and retaliation by militant groups, it said.

Source: The Hindu Newspaper


View from the other Kashmiris.

 

[pillionrider]

Arfa Khanum is easily the best female journalist in India and widely respected, except by hardcore Modi fans. If nothing comes from this coverage, nothing will.

The expressions of the kids was painful to watch.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Arfa Khanum is easily the best female journalist in India and widely respected, except by hardcore Modi fans. If nothing comes from this coverage, nothing will.

The expressions of the kids was painful to watch.

The issue is not the Modi-Shah twosome, or the media, or the public, but the Hon'ble Supreme Court who are supposed to be independent guardians of the constitution and protectors of people's rights from legislative and executive tyranny. Have always said that it is the judiciary which is the most rotten and the single most reason for India being what it is.

 

[Lonewarrior]

The issue is not the Modi-Shah twosome, or the media, or the public, but the Hon'ble Supreme Court who are supposed to be independent guardians of the constitution and protectors of people's rights from legislative and executive tyranny. Have always said that it is the judiciary which is the most rotten and the single most reason for India being what it is.

indian judiciary system is hostage by BJP.... they wont do anything for 370... its all drama ...mark this post.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India is one of the safest countries for women. Some people have a wrong idea because of the media sensationalizing individual isolated incidents of rape, and then multiple people dutifully repeating the canard for "virtue signalling".

Data is great, without it we would still be believing that the Earth is flat. The rate of rapes in South Africa, Sweden and the US are 8,000%, 4,500% and 1,500% higher than they are in India.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

In Indian culture there are a large number of female Goddesses. As someone who grew up in India I can say that the group of people most adored are the "Matajis".

I know you constantly like to reference data to prove your point, and while you are right that it at least provides some solid information, by the same token stats can be misleading depending on how they are collected and who is presenting them.

In this case, the criticism would be that many rapes aren't reported in countries like India because of the shame associated with the victim, and secondly, an Indian presenting any such data which shows India in a favourable light will not be viewed as impartial.

Do we have any neutral commentators who back up your claim that India is one of the safest countries for women?

 

[big_gamer007]

India is one of the safest countries for women. Some people have a wrong idea because of the media sensationalizing individual isolated incidents of rape, and then multiple people dutifully repeating the canard for "virtue signalling".

Data is great, without it we would still be believing that the Earth is flat. The rate of rapes in South Africa, Sweden and the US are 8,000%, 4,500% and 1,500% higher than they are in India.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

In Indian culture there are a large number of female Goddesses. As someone who grew up in India I can say that the group of people most adored are the "Matajis".

Far from being the safest, but it's not as bad as pakistanis here try to project.

However it's not the safest by any stretch of imagination. These stats are misleading, if you live in India you would know that.

 

[Napa]

I know you constantly like to reference data to prove your point, and while you are right that it at least provides some solid information, by the same token stats can be misleading depending on how they are collected and who is presenting them.

In this case, the criticism would be that many rapes aren't reported in countries like India because of the shame associated with the victim, and secondly, an Indian presenting any such data which shows India in a favourable light will not be viewed as impartial.

This alleged underreporting happens in most countries (except maybe the Scandinavian ones (see the sort of behavior that got Assange in trouble, normally most people would not think of that as rape).

Obama actually claimed that 1 in 5 US women in colleges are assaulted.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news...college-women-have-experienced-sexual-assault

Now if this number is true, and assuming the average length of stay in college is 4 years, then we have the number of sex assaults in the US to be 5,000 per 100,000 every year.

Nationmaster on the other hand reports the number for the US to be only 27 per 100,000. Even if you account for the fact all sex assault is not rape, supposing even if one in 10 is, even then we have the number to be 500 per 100,000.

So either rapes are grossly underreported in the US, or Obama was lying.

Also, there are claims that rapes are actually over=reported in India, with many of the reports being false as there is usually no penalty for the woman accuser.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38796457

I can pretty confidently say that the stuff (rape in public) that happens in the US (see following report) would be impossible in India.

https://www.al.com/news/beaches/2015/04/sheriff_hundreds_watched_gang.html

Or the sort of thing that happens in South Africa could never happen in India.

https://www.thedailystar.net/corrective-rape-5527

Or what goes on in Sweden.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...igrant-teen-gangs-stealing-groping-girls.html

Given the above numbers, the rates of rape of 132 for SA, 63 for Sweden, 27 for the US and 1.8 for India doesn't seem unlikely.

The fact is that Indian culture still hasn't collapsed as it has in many countries, and men still live in homes where there as mothers, sisters and daughters. In my experience, the culture is strongly anti-rape.

The other crime that is no less than rape is murder, and the murder rates for South Africa, USA, Sweden and India are 35.9, 5.5, 1.1, and 3.2. In Pakistan it is 4.2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Clearly SA has a severe law and order problem, and the US inner cities (where the murder rates approach SA) are also in a state of crisis. However, can't say that India has high levels of the worst c

Do we have any neutral commentators who back up your claim that India is one of the safest countries for women?

I consider NationMaster to be neutral, but obviously many allege that rape rates are not accurately reported.I

Far from being the safest, but it's not as bad as pakistanis here try to project.

However it's not the safest by any stretch of imagination. These stats are misleading, if you live in India you would know that.

I lived in Delhi for many decades, and found that the culture was generally quite pro-women. It was even more so in the South and in Bengal.

 

[big_gamer007]

[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] - In Delhi and most parts of India girls don't go out at night, they are taught to stay safe at home at night. I wouldn't call a place safe for woman if a woman (and her family) doesn't even consider it safe for her to go out at night.

Like I said it's not as bad as pakistanis here tend to portray however it's far from being the safest place.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Google any country's name and type rape along with it. Nobody is in denial. It's a fact and as I said a disease in men. India has progressed in the last few decades. People are not silent. They are protesting, justice is being served, women are being empowered and cases are being reported. That's a start. Long way to go though

Thread is about India and Kashmiri people why do some of you divert the topic at hand just because you can't defend it? I see the same thing in Rishabh Pant's thread. Whenever he is criticises his fans bring Dhoni into discussion and try to justify it like you are doing here by asking others to google other country's rape cases.

And no one protests here in India. Latest example is Unnao Rape Case. Google it. NRI's like you leave India for a better life and safety if your women and preach others on how safe this country is for women. I won't let women from my home go out after 9 PM. This is how safe I feel this country.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India is one of the safest countries for women. Some people have a wrong idea because of the media sensationalizing individual isolated incidents of rape, and then multiple people dutifully repeating the canard for "virtue signalling".

Data is great, without it we would still be believing that the Earth is flat. The rate of rapes in South Africa, Sweden and the US are 8,000%, 4,500% and 1,500% higher than they are in India.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

In Indian culture there are a large number of female Goddesses. As someone who grew up in India I can say that the group of people most adored are the "Matajis".

If India is one of the safest for women and a superpower why don't you come back to India and live a happy life here? NRI's like you are the biggest phekus here.

 

[Napa]

If India is one of the safest for women and a superpower why don't you come back to India and live a happy life here? NRI's like you are the biggest phekus here.

For your history of posts, I have found you not to be a well-wisher of India or someone who is proud of his country. I don't feel the need to explain my personal decisions to such people.

 

[Napa]

[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] - In Delhi and most parts of India girls don't go out at night, they are taught to stay safe at home at night. I wouldn't call a place safe for woman if a woman (and her family) doesn't even consider it safe for her to go out at night.

Like I said it's not as bad as pakistanis here tend to portray however it's far from being the safest place.

Of course they are not 100% safe in Delhi and they don't go out at night. But when you consider the stats, and the fact that women can be raped on a beach in public in the US without the bystanders intervening, or that men perform "corrective rapes" in South Africa, or gangs molest women in train stations in Sweden... I would still say India is one of the safer countries for women.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

For your history of posts, I have found you not to be a well-wisher of India or someone who is proud of his country. I don't feel the need to explain my personal decisions to such people.

As if your opinion about indians living in India means anything. I love exposing hypocrites and you are one of them. You guys first leave India for a better living and then preach others about how India is progressing. I find that pathetic. Indians living in India knows better than you.

Tu na 3 mein hai na 13 mein.

 

[rhony]

Thread is about India and Kashmiri people why do some of you divert the topic at hand just because you can't defend it? I see the same thing in Rishabh Pant's thread. Whenever he is criticises his fans bring Dhoni into discussion and try to justify it like you are doing here by asking others to google other country's rape cases.

And no one protests here in India. Latest example is Unnao Rape Case. Google it. NRI's like you leave India for a better life and safety if your women and preach others on how safe this country is for women. I won't let women from my home go out after 9 PM. This is how safe I feel this country.

Thread derailed when somebody asked about women's safety. No matter how archaic your views are and no matter how patriarchal your attitude is (apparently you "let" or "don't let" women to leave after 9 pm) the reality is there are half a billion women living in India. What needs to change is people like you first. "Letting" or "not letting" is the problem with the old India where they think they can control every aspect of a woman. Those days will be gone soon hopefully when the younger generation can be more independent and get out of the clutches of archaic mindsets.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Thread derailed when somebody asked about women's safety. No matter how archaic your views are and no matter how patriarchal your attitude is (apparently you "let" or "don't let" women to leave after 9 pm) the reality is there are half a billion women living in India. What needs to change is people like you first. "Letting" or "not letting" is the problem with the old India where they think they can control every aspect of a woman. Those days will be gone soon hopefully when the younger generation can be more independent and get out of the clutches of archaic mindsets.

Here comes another NRI preaching Indians on what should they do. Thread was derailed when some of you guys desperately brought other countries rape stats into discussion. I know as an Indian know how safe it is for women. You can't even pull out the stats of common man and woman feels about safety here. You actually have to interact, observe and live with us to know that. You chose to run away from this country so we don't need an outsider like you preaching us.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This alleged underreporting happens in most countries (except maybe the Scandinavian ones (see the sort of behavior that got Assange in trouble, normally most people would not think of that as rape).

Obama actually claimed that 1 in 5 US women in colleges are assaulted.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news...college-women-have-experienced-sexual-assault

Now if this number is true, and assuming the average length of stay in college is 4 years, then we have the number of sex assaults in the US to be 5,000 per 100,000 every year.

Nationmaster on the other hand reports the number for the US to be only 27 per 100,000. Even if you account for the fact all sex assault is not rape, supposing even if one in 10 is, even then we have the number to be 500 per 100,000.

So either rapes are grossly underreported in the US, or Obama was lying.

Also, there are claims that rapes are actually over=reported in India, with many of the reports being false as there is usually no penalty for the woman accuser.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38796457

I can pretty confidently say that the stuff (rape in public) that happens in the US (see following report) would be impossible in India.

https://www.al.com/news/beaches/2015/04/sheriff_hundreds_watched_gang.html

Or the sort of thing that happens in South Africa could never happen in India.

https://www.thedailystar.net/corrective-rape-5527

Or what goes on in Sweden.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...igrant-teen-gangs-stealing-groping-girls.html

Given the above numbers, the rates of rape of 132 for SA, 63 for Sweden, 27 for the US and 1.8 for India doesn't seem unlikely.

The fact is that Indian culture still hasn't collapsed as it has in many countries, and men still live in homes where there as mothers, sisters and daughters. In my experience, the culture is strongly anti-rape.

The other crime that is no less than rape is murder, and the murder rates for South Africa, USA, Sweden and India are 35.9, 5.5, 1.1, and 3.2. In Pakistan it is 4.2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Clearly SA has a severe law and order problem, and the US inner cities (where the murder rates approach SA) are also in a state of crisis. However, can't say that India has high levels of the worst c



I consider NationMaster to be neutral, but obviously many allege that rape rates are not accurately reported.I



I lived in Delhi for many decades, and found that the culture was generally quite pro-women. It was even more so in the South and in Bengal.

You are comparing India favourably with western countries like USA and Sweden which count as among the highest for living standards in the world. You yourself live in the US I believe, so if anybody is exaggerating conditions for women's safety in a given country it is you, otherwise why would you choose to live in a country where women's safety wasn't assured?

Can you think of any US or Swedish state where internet and phone lines have been cut off recently so the outside world could be kept in the dark as to the condition of women in a particular region?

 

[Swashbuckler]

The clampdown and information black hole in Kashmir is unjustifiable, more than a month now, sinister cruelty which has no place in a diverse democracy like India. Easy to comment sitting in Delhi, Chennai or Kolkata because we will never be put through such restrictions, but what is happening out there in the valley is totally unfair. Shame on Modi government, arrogance will never go unpunished and even Ravanan had to pay a price.

 

[IAJ]

The clampdown and information black hole in Kashmir is unjustifiable, more than a month now, sinister cruelty which has no place in a diverse democracy like India. Easy to comment sitting in Delhi, Chennai or Kolkata because we will never be put through such restrictions, but what is happening out there in the valley is totally unfair. Shame on Modi government, arrogance will never go unpunished and even Ravanan had to pay a price.

Sane post.

 

[rhony]

Here comes another NRI preaching Indians on what should they do. Thread was derailed when some of you guys desperately brought other countries rape stats into discussion. I know as an Indian know how safe it is for women. You can't even pull out the stats of common man and woman feels about safety here. You actually have to interact, observe and live with us to know that. You chose to run away from this country so we don't need an outsider like you preaching us.

First of all you have no idea what I did. Don't be predictable. It's the usual fake macho, patriarchal, frustrated older gen rhetoric. As I said half a billion women live in India. Once your old gen takes their clutches off young women's freedoms and destinies they will start to prosper. How do I know? I've seen it in the west. I've seen Indian and Pakistani families here is US who let their kids enjoy the freedoms and don't interfere in every aspect of their lives. Stop being scared for everything and let the younglings find their wings old man

 

[anand99]

India's problem is not that the women do not have the freedoms. It is that men cannot handle it. Too man perverts around. Lack of swift and severe justice results in an emboldened group of perverts who think they can get away with it. There are too many males in India and many of them are not adding much value. Government should institute a girl child only policy

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

First of all you have no idea what I did. Don't be predictable. It's the usual fake macho, patriarchal, frustrated older gen rhetoric. As I said half a billion women live in India. Once your old gen takes their clutches off young women's freedoms and destinies they will start to prosper. How do I know? I've seen it in the west. I've seen Indian and Pakistani families here is US who let their kids enjoy the freedoms and don't interfere in every aspect of their lives. Stop being scared for everything and let the younglings find their wings old man

Not sure from where does fake macho and patriachal comes into this? Infact its you who is displaying your fake machoism here.

You are as fake as it gets. You ran away with your family from India for a better living and now asking indians living in India to let their mothers and sisters go out of their home alone after 9 PM lol. Let me make this clear to you not even a male dog is safe in India at night. I don't talk about safety in US because I don't live there. You should do the same because you are an outsider as far as India is concerned. Show your fake patriotism somewhere else.

 

[rhony]

Not sure from where does fake macho and patriachal comes into this? Infact its you who is displaying your fake machoism here.

You are as fake as it gets. You ran away with your family from India for a better living and now asking indians living in India to let their mothers and sisters go out of their home alone after 9 PM lol. Let me make this clear to you not even a male dog is safe in India at night. I don't talk about safety in US because I don't live there. You should do the same because you are an outsider as far as India is concerned. Show your fake patriotism somewhere else.

Lol at the hypocrisy. I'm teaching you independence and freedom because I've seen it. Let's not even go into patriotism. "I don't let women in my house after 9 pm" just sums up the archaic, old, patriarchic mind set. Patriarch doesn't mean patriotism. It means a male dominated culture where a man no matter how dumb he is, controls the destinies of the women in his control. First get rid of that mindset. Let people decide their own fates. There are a bunch of Indian women who work night shifts in Indian corporates if you are not aware. If their dads or brothers are like you, they will forever sit at home and pile up dozens of rotis for your types to consume. So, take my advise. I've seen the world. You haven't. Teach your sisters, daughters, wives to be independent. Give them confidence. Don't hide them in the kitchens. The upper middle class and rich India has already progressed. The others are dragging themselves down with these fake macho comments like "I don't let me women go out after 9 pm".

 

[rhony]

Not sure from where does fake macho and patriachal comes into this? Infact its you who is displaying your fake machoism here.

You are as fake as it gets. You ran away with your family from India for a better living and now asking indians living in India to let their mothers and sisters go out of their home alone after 9 PM lol. Let me make this clear to you not even a male dog is safe in India at night. I don't talk about safety in US because I don't live there. You should do the same because you are an outsider as far as India is concerned. Show your fake patriotism somewhere else.

Reminded me of another dumb comment I heard a few years ago "I don't drive because I might get into an accident. There are millions of people who die in accidents every year". I gave a similar answer to that old dude. Just because a small percentage of people die doesn't mean everybody should be timid and stop driving.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lol at the hypocrisy. I'm teaching you independence and freedom because I've seen it. Let's not even go into patriotism. "I don't let women in my house after 9 pm" just sums up the archaic, old, patriarchic mind set. Patriarch doesn't mean patriotism. It means a male dominated culture where a man no matter how dumb he is, controls the destinies of the women in his control. First get rid of that mindset. Let people decide their own fates. There are a bunch of Indian women who work night shifts in Indian corporates if you are not aware. If their dads or brothers are like you, they will forever sit at home and pile up dozens of rotis for your types to consume. So, take my advise. I've seen the world. You haven't. Teach your sisters, daughters, wives to be independent. Give them confidence. Don't hide them in the kitchens. The upper middle class and rich India has already progressed. The others are dragging themselves down with these fake macho comments like "I don't let me women go out after 9 pm".

Not letting women go out of your house after 9 PM alone makes one dominant? Obviously it has nothing to do with the rapes, kidnapping of little girls and caring for your loved ones? Next time you come to Delhi and Mumbai let your 3 year old go out alone after 9 PM. I bet you will never come back to India again.

Phekus like you claim to love India, talk about freedom while sitting on their couch in US. First live in this country then preach others about freedom and independence. This is the same freedom you are enjoying after running away from this country. When it comes to India and Indians I won't let hypocrites like you preach us.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Reminded me of another dumb comment I heard a few years ago "I don't drive because I might get into an accident. There are millions of people who die in accidents every year". I gave a similar answer to that old dude. Just because a small percentage of people die doesn't mean everybody should be timid and stop driving.

You are embarrassing yourself again and again. As I said earlier I don't give a j@ck about what you NRI's think about Indians living in India.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Its been over a month and Kashmiri people are still waiting to get out of their homes, access internet, roam freely, earn bread and butter for their family but here comes some NRI phekus who preach others about freedom, patience and independence. These same people will lose their mind in just 1 day if they had to go through the same torture and curfew.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not letting women go out of your house after 9 PM alone makes one dominant? Obviously it has nothing to do with the rapes, kidnapping of little girls and caring for your loved ones? Next time you come to Delhi and Mumbai let your 3 year old go out alone after 9 PM. I bet you will never come back to India again.

Phekus like you claim to love India, talk about freedom while sitting on their couch in US. First live in this country then preach others about freedom and independence. This is the same freedom you are enjoying after running away from this country. When it comes to India and Indians I won't let hypocrites like you preach us.

Well said bro, someone needed to shut these NRI hypocrites up.

 

[rhony]

You are embarrassing yourself again and again. As I said earlier I don't give a j@ck about what you NRI's think about Indians living in India.

Naa. It's a perfect analogy actually and your true face came out with the macho "I don't let...." And then you keep defending it. You ain't a patriot dude. You are archaic. Education is not just about learning English and making some money. Kick away the false pride as you showed how small you are. If you want to be a patriot, start at home. Treat your women with respect instead of ordering them around. That's all you can do considering your general pessimism but thats what you need to do. NRI or not doesn't matter dude. World is a village. It's not the same as in 70s when your brain worked. Every body is affected by every body else and everybody has tabs on every body else. Now stop sulking and take my advise. Don't be a defeatist