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England (247) beat Pakistan (195) by 52 runs in the 2nd ODI to take unassailable lead in the series

Thephenom said:
Just goes to show how poor our coaching is, after all this time they still haven’t told Hasan Ali how to manage a innings, Shakeel has shown glimpses of his talent, but not one conversation with his partner or any sight of him taking charge with the lesser batsmen
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He did. Had a conversation with Maqsood after his first hack. But I am not if the seniority card prevailed or common sense. The outcome would suggest the former.
 
Titan24 said:
8 should be more reasonable and if everyone in the batting does their job he can be useful with his hitting. 7 is a bit too high for his current skillset which revolves around hitting but, yes he has become pretty decent at that.
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He looks better than Faheem tbf
 
Savak said:
The PSL showed that these are the best possible players you can select in the team. I can't think of anyone in domestic cricket who has not been given a chance ie Asif Ali, Khusdil Shah etc.

We are paying for decades of neglecting our domestic cricket and being isolated in international cricket. No quick fixes. Sri Lanka is in the same boat
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Yes. The alternatives are equally bad. You know you are scraping the bottom of the barrel when guys like Shadab, Faheem, Rauf are your first choice players. There is no talent in Pakistan. Pakistan stopped producing talent in 2006.
 
Not watching, but has Saud at any point showed a semblance of intention to chase the target?

It is his second game, but it shows the mentality of our players. They have no courage and self-belief at all.
 
Mainul said:
Haven't seen such silly game of cricket for a while. Maqsood, Shadab, Hasan all going for shots as if chasing 350.why you guys didn't try to stay at the wicket while going for shots on e in a while?
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Aus batting vs WI T20 yesterday was pretty horrible as well yesterday. Aus batsmen kept slogging when they just needed less than run a ball trying some sort of new attacking middle over strategy.
 
Get a 50 Saud, who knows this might be your last series. Anything can happen under this management.
 
Mamoon said:
Not watching, but has Saud at any point showed a semblance of intention to chase the target?

It is his second game, but it shows the mentality of our players. They have no courage and self-belief at all.
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Seriously, this is first time i am totally agreed with you. Btw answer is "NO". He just trying to get 50 so he can get more series.
 
Mamoon said:
Not watching, but has Saud at any point showed a semblance of intention to chase the target?

It is his second game, but it shows the mentality of our players. They have no courage and self-belief at all.
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Forget about intention to win the game, the guy's playing a test match right in front of our eyes when its almost run a ball.
 
Mamoon said:
Not watching, but has Saud at any point showed a semblance of intention to chase the target?

It is his second game, but it shows the mentality of our players. They have no courage and self-belief at all.
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Looks fine batsmen with limited or no power game.
 
Mamoon said:
Not watching, but has Saud at any point showed a semblance of intention to chase the target?

It is his second game, but it shows the mentality of our players. They have no courage and self-belief at all.
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Why should he try when he knows he will fail?

Give the rotten mentality of Misbah and Waqar - atleast a 50 will guarantee his place in the squad..
 
This is truly embarrassing. The whole coaching staff needs to get be sacked and replaced by people who know what they’re doing.
 
Mamoon said:
Not watching, but has Saud at any point showed a semblance of intention to chase the target?

It is his second game, but it shows the mentality of our players. They have no courage and self-belief at all.
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I wouldn't personally be too harsh on him.

In a team of people who bat with an IQ of a carrot, he's doing fine.

He's displaying some match-awareness, which is quite surprising for Pakistani standards.

If anyone had some common sense, they would have known that the wicket gets easier once you cash in. Saud has cashed in, but does he have the skillset to accelerate? That's the question that's left.
 
Mamoon said:
Not watching, but has Saud at any point showed a semblance of intention to chase the target?

It is his second game, but it shows the mentality of our players. They have no courage and self-belief at all.
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Absolutely not. PAK are losing regardless of his attempts at chasing. If he gets out before getting to his 50 he runs the risk of getting forgotten and discarded. If he scores an inconsequential 50 he gives himself the chance of being remembered. Additionally it will likely divert attention from his innings to those of the rest.

A slightly more experienced player who did not have to worry about his spot in the XI should have gone for it.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
He is more suited to Test cricket at the moment.

But the lad shows promise and doesn't just give away his wicket. Has a beautiful cover drive as well.
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All those beautiful cover drives and straight drives are useless if you're not making an impact in game.

This isn't a fashion show.
 
Saud looks decent. He’s applying himself well but he’s having to constantly reset because fo the wickets falling around him.

Some desperate changes are needed in this ODI team.
 
Mamoon said:
Not watching, but has Saud at any point showed a semblance of intention to chase the target?

It is his second game, but it shows the mentality of our players. They have no courage and self-belief at all.
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Its difficult to judge his intent today considering his default style of play and role required of him aligned in this match. However, purely on the face value with regards to today he has showed more grit than the top 4 and considering Pak in terms of required run rate is still pretty much in control that he is doing the job required from him here.

Yes now with Shaheen as his partner I think he will have to take the charge as its not likely Shaheen will survive these many balls. For a miraculous win Saud will have to do most of the scoring and at a good rate so that Shaheen doesnt have to face too many balls.
 
UzmanBeast said:
I wouldn't personally be too harsh on him.

In a team of people who bat with an IQ of a carrot, he's doing fine.

He's displaying some match-awareness, which is quite surprising for Pakistani standards.

If anyone had some common sense, they would have known that the wicket gets easier once you cash in. Saud has cashed in, but does he have the skillset to accelerate? That's the question that's left.
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Haven’t seen much power behind his shots yet. Not all of his drives have raced to the boundary.

Needs to work on that element but PAK will likely breathe a sigh of relief that they may have someone who can look to graft in the middle.

Does shuffle across though and Gregory tried bowling him around his legs but was a little inaccurate.
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
All those beautiful cover drives and straight drives are useless if you're not making an impact in game.

This isn't a fashion show.
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Can't be bradman in one day. Compared to the Talat's, Iftikhar's, Khushdil's he has shown promise and looks to be able to handle decent bowlers in alien conditions.

I do agree with the fact that at the moment he looks more like a test prospect.
 
UzmanBeast said:
I wouldn't personally be too harsh on him.

In a team of people who bat with an IQ of a carrot, he's doing fine.

He's displaying some match-awareness, which is quite surprising for Pakistani standards.

If anyone had some common sense, they would have known that the wicket gets easier once you cash in. Saud has cashed in, but does he have the skillset to accelerate? That's the question that's left.
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11 sixes in 63 List A Innings
8 sixes in 78 FC innings
0 sixes in 16 T20 innings

I hope that answers your question.
 
hasanali said:
All this hype about Saud Shakeel. Based on this tour he’s a poor man’s Asad Shafiq.
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Saud hardly looked beaten by good ball, Asda on other hand looks to be going out every other ball. Hard to judge Saud attacking ability with no one able to support him. He was playing well with Shadab and Maqsood.
 
Yes Saud has shown an intent to win. His partners have been horrible. No cricketing sense
 
Imam is one of the players who you pick last in school PE lessons, no discernible sporting talent but is only still there as his dad’s the head teacher
 
Saud has shown application in the face of tricky conditions. He walks into this minnow side simply for this reason
 
Thephenom said:
Imam is one of the players who you pick last in school PE lessons, no discernible sporting talent but is only still there as his dad’s the head teacher
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He averages 50 in onedays...cant blame him because of hate
 
If only Husnain was playing he has looked a better batsman than Faheem in his brief stint.
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
11 sixes in 63 List A Innings
8 sixes in 78 FC innings
0 sixes in 16 T20 innings

I hope that answers your question.
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In ODIs at no 5 Pak needs a proper batsman.

We dont have the luxury of having proper batsmen that are 6 hitters as well. Iftikhar and Khushdil were hoped to be the saviours considering their List A record but Khushdil was given one ODI and dropped due to his poor performances in T20s and Iftikhar was also dropped after 7 ODIs.

Saud is one of the better young batsman in Pakistan, yes not a six hitter but better than some of the funky hitters we have tried.

Considering the quality of hitters we have I think the most we can afford as a specialist hitter is at no 6 with an allrounder and Hassan to follow.
 
Shaheen itching to go back to the dug out and share his batting experience of today
 
These two stay for couple of overs more and this is going to be interesting.
Come on Saud and Shaheen.
 
Titan24 said:
In ODIs at no 5 Pak needs a proper batsman.

We dont have the luxury of having proper batsmen that are 6 hitters as well. Iftikhar and Khushdil were hoped to be the saviours considering their List A record but Khushdil was given one ODI and dropped due to his poor performances in T20s and Iftikhar was also dropped after 7 ODIs.

Saud is one of the better young batsman in Pakistan, yes not a six hitter but better than some of the funky hitters we have tried.

Considering the quality of hitters we have I think the most we can afford as a specialist hitter is at no 6 with an allrounder and Hassan to follow.
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Would play him at 4. Rizwan needs to either bat at the very top and play enforcer in Powerplay or bat at 6. So far Rizwan does not have wrists for number 4.
 
Titan24 said:
In ODIs at no 5 Pak needs a proper batsman.

We dont have the luxury of having proper batsmen that are 6 hitters as well. Iftikhar and Khushdil were hoped to be the saviours considering their List A record but Khushdil was given one ODI and dropped due to his poor performances in T20s and Iftikhar was also dropped after 7 ODIs.

Saud is one of the better young batsman in Pakistan, yes not a six hitter but better than some of the funky hitters we have tried.

Considering the quality of hitters we have I think the most we can afford as a specialist hitter is at no 6 with an allrounder and Hassan to follow.
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Better to play him @4 and moving rizwan to number 5 in ODI's
 
well played. Something tells me he believes this may work out if he stays till the end. Sadly out of partners
 
50 for Saud. Looked class apart today, hopefully he can build upon this confidence
 
Shaheen being a decent partner here to Saud.

Thanks to Saud batting and not giving away his wicket Pak has gotten closer.

That's called a fighter.
 
Well done Saud he should have been playing long time ago at 4 for the mediocre Pakistan batting line up.
 
Yk313 said:
Haven’t seen much power behind his shots yet. Not all of his drives have raced to the boundary.

Needs to work on that element but PAK will likely breathe a sigh of relief that they may have someone who can look to graft in the middle.

Does shuffle across though and Gregory tried bowling him around his legs but was a little inaccurate.
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His plan was probably to play with soft hands and mimic English batters in swinging conditions.
 
Mamoon said:
Not watching, but has Saud at any point showed a semblance of intention to chase the target?

It is his second game, but it shows the mentality of our players. They have no courage and self-belief at all.
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Well sure, he doesn't look like a hitter, but I'm sure 8 RPO isn't out of reach for any professional batsman, so he hasn't really let it get out of control.

If other batsmen were left there's nothing daunting about the present equation so he hasn't done much wrong yet.
 
England lower-order and tail played extremely smart cricket to go from 180-8 to 250.

You cannot expect such intelligence from Pakistan.
 
Pakistan hasn’t beaten England in an ODI series since 2005.

My my my :))) :)))
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
Better to play him @4 and moving rizwan to number 5 in ODI's
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Agreed after today’s turn of events. Rizwan has recently been more comfortable when either he is building a base form the very start or he is continuing on that base rather than coming in at two down for low score.
 
Lol, this is why he didn't try power shots, he knew he would get out. Why not score a 50 first and then get out, at least he will retain his spot in the next match
 
Jeetlodil said:
Surely does not look like a power hitter.
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Yes. He timed this one perfectly well, seems purely down to a lack of power that he was out here instead of going for 6. In fact, I'd say anyone else in the team with that connection and it would have sailed into the stands.
 
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