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England (247) beat Pakistan (195) by 52 runs in the 2nd ODI to take unassailable lead in the series

How would you rate Saud innings today?
Did he played for the team or played for his 50 and fix his spot in team?
 
Good knock.

If Faheem had stuck around a bit longer, we could have come close.
 
How would you rate Saud innings today?
Did he played for the team or played for his 50 and fix his spot in team?

Can't blame him for playing for himself first. He is not going to get another opportunity again. Might as well make the most of it for himself
 
How would you rate Saud innings today?
Did he played for the team or played for his 50 and fix his spot in team?

A good innings in the sense that he has finally secured a spot in the team.

No consequence on the result of the game.
 
That laugh by Stokes and the bowler there tell you everything. 53 needed, last wicket and qalandar boy tries to slog like his life depends on it.
 
Ahh. I find these kind of laugh disrespectful. (Stokes when Rauf tried big shot)
 
A good innings in the sense that he has finally secured a spot in the team.

No consequence on the result of the game.

Consequence of the game could have been changed had anyone stuck with him. The RR wasn't that much but Fakhar totally made it more difficult.
 
Utterly dreadful. To not compete against England's C team is just unacceptable. I'm not one to overreact but heads have to roll after this performance. Get Flower in now.
 
Saqib Mahmood has been the MVP for Eng in this series so far and made a big difference in my opinion.
 
In the 4 years Andrew Straus was in charge of England Cricket, they went from loosing to Bangladesh in the World Cup, to winning the World Cup, in near enough the same time, where has Wasim Khan bought Pakistan cricket, no where!
 
Consequence of the game could have been changed had anyone stuck with him. The RR wasn't that much but Fakhar totally made it more difficult.

Wasn’t talking about what could have been. Was talking about what was.
 
Waiting for the excuses from [MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION] today

“Pak played poorly and such days happen in cricket on 142 all out”

Now explain how is that an excuse along with the lineups of SA B and C team which I asked yesterday as well when you said SA D team played against Pak.. :smith
 
If the 5th/6th best team in the world is getting pasted by a 3rd string side its a serious concern for the sport
 
“Pak played poorly and such days happen in cricket on 142 all out”

Now explain how is that an excuse along with the lineups of SA B and C team which I asked yesterday as well when you said SA D team played against Pak.. :smith

Sorry forgot to tag you like you tagged me as that might make you give an answer [MENTION=154845]SangasCoverDrive[/MENTION] :)
 
How can you lose the series to a team where even the captain couldn’t name the playing XI and said at toss that they are just trying to have fun. Really embarrassing series for Pakistan and it’s not even like the players from England were top class. Simpson got the average of 26 in List A with 0 centuries. Carse only played 7 List A games prior to this series.

The truth is that there is no talent left in Pakistan. Same Maqsoods, Raufs, Faheems, Shadabs will be selected over and over again.

Grow up. You can't keep chopping changing players. Teams win and lose but move forward and players learn from defeats and move on. You should see the amount of losses the Australian team in the mid 80's, early 90's went through before they became invincible from 1998 to 2007
 
Grow up. You can't keep chopping changing players. Teams win and lose but move forward and players learn from defeats and move on. You should see the amount of losses the Australian team in the mid 80's, early 90's went through before they became invincible from 1998 to 2007

They had same players from mid 80s and early 90s in 1998 to 2007?
 
Well done Saud he should have been playing long time ago at 4 for the mediocre Pakistan batting line up.

Yea, fans have been calling for his selection for 3 years.
He is a bit like fawad Alam. He shouldn't be a long term odi fixture though, he is a must for the test team
 
Haven’t seen that (an inform HS). All I have seen are airy fairy drives through gully / third slip during the 2018 tour of ENG. Citing this one because it was supposedly a good tour for him.

In addition to that, aerial drives at catchable height through covers. Plays far away from his body and often tends to get thick outside edges.

Don’t think the 2019 tour of AUS or the 2020 tour of NZD needs to be talked about.

Was at the ground for the games during CWC19 when he scored a few 50s (SAF and NZD) but I wouldn’t say he combated any particular swing in those innings.

Which innings are you referring to? I may well have missed it (haven’t watched a lot of cricket this decade).

2014-15 series against New Zealand. 2018 NZ series, Australia series just prior to WC19.
I agree he plays too far from his body, but he gets a lot of time to get in the line of the ball. He does have issues with getting out right after getting set like he has so often done. (QF poke outside off to starc around 30th over i think). His drives are aerial but they are quite controlled. But that's just the standard of our batters these days.
 
Good knock.

If Faheem had stuck around a bit longer, we could have come close.

I can’t remember faheem scoring atleast 30 runs in any ODIs he played but has played nearly 30 games in the name of an all rounder.

Same goes to Shadab Khan his SR is 71 and he is given the hard hitter role
 
If misbah doesn't get the sack after this then he will never get sacked

I think we have to reconcile with the fact he’s not going anywhere.

He will say they are a young team and are still learning and everyone will be satisfied.
 
2014-15 series against New Zealand. 2018 NZ series, Australia series just prior to WC19.
I agree he plays too far from his body, but he gets a lot of time to get in the line of the ball. He does have issues with getting out right after getting set like he has so often done. (QF poke outside off to starc around 30th over i think). His drives are aerial but they are quite controlled. But that's just the standard of our batters these days.

Maybe I am missing something but aren’t all of the series you have quoted UAE-based series? I thought the idea was to try and talk about his prowess against the moving ball or in testing conditions. I cited the CWC19 knocks for that reason. He hasn’t done anything of note in Tests overseas but can leave that out for now.
 
“Pak played poorly and such days happen in cricket on 142 all out”

Now explain how is that an excuse along with the lineups of SA B and C team which I asked yesterday as well when you said SA D team played against Pak.. :smith

such days happen in cricket is an excuse.
 
such days happen in cricket is an excuse.

Okay, your opinion and no point in arguing over this. As a reference I even said that on Indian team getting 36 all out in test vs Aus which was even a bigger anomaly as these kind of scores are not common occurrences rather anomalies that can take place in cricket or any sport which dont exactly define anything. My stance would have been the same for any other team as well because, despite the mediocrity of Pak team 142 was below even for their own standards.
 
Okay, your opinion and no point in arguing over this. As a reference I even said that on Indian team getting 36 all out in test vs Aus as these kind of scores are not common occurrences rather anomalies that can take place in cricket or any sport which dont exactly define anything. My stance would have been the same for any other team as well because, despite the mediocrity of Pak team 142 was below even for their own standards.

India got out on 36 against the best bowling of Australia whereas Pakistan got out on 141 against England D team.
 
India got out on 36 against the best bowling of Australia whereas Pakistan got out on 141 against England D team.

How is that relevant? As we are not discussing quality. Both are anomalies and uncommon occurrences which can happen in cricket, thats my point. Happy to be proven wrong if you can manifest with data that these kind of scores are indeed common occurrences. Pak getting it against a 2nd string Eng team makes it more of an anomaly rather than a common occurrence.
 
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Congratulations, England.

They have amazing bench strength and they have proved it again.
 
Congratulations, England.

They have amazing bench strength and they have proved it again.
Congratulations indeed, but they are rubbish I’m sorry. Pretty sure Sri Lanka would have been beaten this side quite handily, if anyone here did watch those games. This Pakistan team played like school kids, would have got beat by anyone.
 
One can only laugh at the fans who were predicting a 2-1 series win for Pakistan even against the main England team. :)))

We truly have the most deluded fans in the world. They live in a world of their own.

I don't want to mean, but it's difficult to disagree with this.

Pakistan fans (generally speaking) are without any doubt the most deluded out there. They just seem so fickle... like one guy play one good innings once, and their fans act like they're going to be world beaters.

It gets embarrassing when they get walloped like this against an England C side.
 
Utterly dreadful. To not compete against England's C team is just unacceptable. I'm not one to overreact but heads have to roll after this performance. Get Flower in now.

It's not always the coaches fault, they aren't the ones out in the middle
 
It's not always the coaches fault, they aren't the ones out in the middle

That’s the key point that people don’t understand. Make Misbah the England coach and A. Flower the Pakistan coach.

What will be the outcome? We will still get flogged by England in LOIs simply because they have far better players.

An average coach like Buchanan was in the dressing-room when Australia were virtually unbeatable, and we all know what Shane Warne, a chief architect of their dominance, thinks of the former’s contribution to their success.
 
I think we have to reconcile with the fact he’s not going anywhere.

He will say they are a young team and are still learning and everyone will be satisfied.

If we are young team then what was England's team !
 
England won due nothing to lose mentality of rookie players

Though England won, And they played well, I feel due to such large number of players being new to the international cricket brought an element of surprise for them.
India also won in Gabba due to this shock factor and rookie players having nothing to lose mindset, against a full strength Aussie team.
 
Winning tests with 'B' team is much stronger feat than winning LOI matches with 'B' teams.

India also won LOIs with 'B' team in 2007 when Dhoni was captain and Ganguly/Dravid were dropped. In LOIs, these 'B' teams are still good enough, generally it's tests where you need your first string team.
 
An embarrassing loss to the series. Utterly clueless team from Waqar/Misbah MGT to player level. Pathetic. Blanket sackings from top to bottom.
 
England have claimed the second ODI against Pakistan, defending 247 in a rain-affected match at Lord's.

Despite being put into bat in conditions prime for bowling, England were able to muster a competitive total, and closed out the match through their pace battery and the leg-spin of Matt Parkinson.

Drizzle delayed the toss and ultimately ended up pushing the start of match by 90 minutes, with the match reduced to 47 overs per side. Upon winning the toss, Babar Azam asked England to bat first. The decision seemed right when Pakistan made a breakthrough straight away.

Dawid Malan was removed for a duck by a threatening Hasan Ali in just the second over. Shaheen Afridi then struck in the next over to dismiss Zak Crawley for nought. At 21/2 England looked in trouble, but Phil Salt, who had made his intentions clear right from the first over, continued unperturbed.

He combined forces with James Vince and together the duo hit some cracking drives making up for the lost wickets. The pair frustrated the Pakistan bowlers and powered the side past the 100-run mark with ease. In the process both of them brought up their respective fifties. While it was Salt's maiden ODI half-century, Vince finished with his second fifty in the format.

Babar was finally forced to bring in the spinners and was immediately rewarded with wickets. Salt fell to Saud Shakeel for 60, followed by Vince just three overs later for 56 off Shadab Khan.

England captain Ben Stokes, who was playing in his 100th ODI, failed to do something special and was sent back to the hut by Hasan Ali for 22. Hasan was in particularly classic form as he ripped through the English middle order, also accounting for wickets of John Simpson (17) and Craig Overton (0).

However, Lewis Gregory (40) and Brydon Carse (31) stepped up and rebuilt England's innings, sharing a crucial half-century stand for the eighth-wicket. England were eventually bowled out for 247 with Hasan Ali finishing on impressive figures of 5/51.

In reply, Pakistan lost an early wicket in Imam-ul-Haq, with Lewis Gregory finding the outside edge angling the ball away from the left-hander. At the other end, Saqib Mahmood beat the defences of Babar Azam, hitting the skipper on the back leg for 19.

England gave nothing away with the ball and in the field, as Mohammad Rizwan and opener Fakhar Zaman found upping the run rate difficult. Like Imam-ul-Haq, Rizwan also found the gloves of John Simpson (5), while Fakhar was beaten by Craig Overton.

In just his second ODI, Pakistan No.5 Saud Shakeel sort to pick up the pieces, compiling a maiden fifty, striking four boundaries in the process. At the other end, his partners were unable to convert their starts, as Sohaib Maqsood (19) and Shadab Khan (21) fell to Overton and Parkinson respectively.

Hasan Ali off the back of his five-for countered with the bat, pummeling two fours and three sixes in his 17-ball stay, though Pakistan's hopes of an unlikely win were dented as the No.9 was claimed by Brydon Carse. Shakeel fell for 56 in a 40-run partnership with Shaheen Shah Afridi, as Gregory claimed the half-centurion and Haris Rauf (1), bundling the tourists out for 195.
 
I can’t remember faheem scoring atleast 30 runs in any ODIs he played but has played nearly 30 games in the name of an all rounder.

Same goes to Shadab Khan his SR is 71 and he is given the hard hitter role

I can excuse Shadab because he does bat sensibly most times. He has a few 50s as well.

Faheem is useless. Can't bowl, can't bat, and can't field.
 
We lost that game in two spells
Firstly letting them score at 6.5 runs per over after having them two down and with the ball moving around. Then when they were 7 down we failed to bowl them out below 200.

Truth be told that wasn't a 240/250 pitch had our bowlers pitched it up and bowled a straighter line.

In the end we lacked one other batter who could have scored 40-50 runs. Had we had that we could have won this game.

All of this comes down to lacking intelligence and unfortunately it's not only from the management but from the captain himself.
 
We lost that game in two spells
Firstly letting them score at 6.5 runs per over after having them two down and with the ball moving around. Then when they were 7 down we failed to bowl them out below 200.

Truth be told that wasn't a 240/250 pitch had our bowlers pitched it up and bowled a straighter line.

In the end we lacked one other batter who could have scored 40-50 runs. Had we had that we could have won this game.

All of this comes down to lacking intelligence and unfortunately it's not only from the management but from the captain himself.
Agreed on the bowling being not good enough in patches throughout the innings, however 247 is a below par total on most wickets nowadays in ODI cricket. No excuses for not being able to score on a wicket where Phil Salt was razing the ball to all parts of the ground against the new ball.

Our boys are simply not good enough and mentally shot to boot. Look at the rubbish shot Imam played against a bowler who wouldn’t make the Uganda team as a new ball bowler, that kind of thing pretty sets the tone for the innings.
 
Saqib Mahmood has been the MVP for Eng in this series so far and made a big difference in my opinion.

The only highlight of such a dreadful performance is my fellow villager saqib mehmood performed well
 
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