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England (247) beat Pakistan (195) by 52 runs in the 2nd ODI to take unassailable lead in the series

That partnership between Gregory and Carse will ultimately prove the difference.
 
Big hearted Pakistani fans still go to watch this team by spending their hard earned money. Respect.
 
Expecting little from the T20 series too.

See you for the West Indies series lads.
 
lontje said:
I dont think I have seen such an embarassing performance by pakistan before, a new low. truely embarassed by this.
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The only thing we might get from this embarrassment is hopefully a clean up with team and coaches. Only our selectors will choose players based on performances from a Mickey Mouse league, rather than do what they are actually paid for and scout players from the domestic matches. It’s criminal how they continue to select players like Haris Rauf who’s only game plan is to bowl as fast as he can and Shadab Khan a pseudo all rounder who’s only standout performance was in his debut psl where the pitches were turning square.
 
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Comedic that when the team needs singles, the last 3 wickets have been cheeky trying to get a boundary. Had they just played simple this would be right on the cards.
 
what a poor shot attempt. No cricketing sense. It is time to support Saud so that he scores big
 
lol this is like playing against a cricket team in a video game on easy mode, edging airing everything, hitting it aerial exactly to where the field is placed.
 
England must rest their experienced players from the first two Odis and test their bench strength during the Final Odi. Oops.
 
Brilliant piece of keeping from Simpson, he will probably never play another odi, but he has got his moment in the limelight
 
Mesozoic said:
That partnership between Gregory and Carse will ultimately prove the difference.
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I think Salt and Vince one was really important as well because, that partnership gave Gregory and Carse opportunity to just nudge it around and take it deep and they did that really well.
 
I believe Pakistan collapses against these C sides (SL, Zimbabwe, SA, now England) because of the fact that they are C sides. The moment you make Pakistan favourites, they completely panic.

With Pakistan, it's never an issue of complacency. In fact it's the other problem. Fear of losing to a C side. That fear of losing makes them play so timidly, a collapse is an absolute given.

Had England been playing their full strength side, Pakistan would've competed okay-ishly.
 
Titan24 said:
Game intelligence and Pak players need to come closer to each other. One can rant as much about skills and other things as one wants but, you are rarely gonna be amongst the best in any sport if you dont have game intelligence/sense.
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There is none. All the way from the grassroots, there is none. Children playing on streets looking to hoick across the line.

A whole generation of children - thankfully not mine, I would have disinherited them - grew up wanting to emulate Afridi the batsman.

Children do not have the patience to watch Test cricket (not highlights).

The do not know they can run two / run by hitting to the wrong arm of a fielder (right hand of left handed fielder etc).

They do not know they can open the face of the blade to guide 7th stump length ball to 3rd man.

They do not know that pressure often relents when 1st / 2nd change bowlers come on to bowl.

They do not know that they do not need to do anything extra if they are chasing at 5 per over and have already hit a boundary in the over.

List is too long and frankly watching the current lot it is difficult to organise thoughts given so many loose ends.

Faheem played one of his pick up pull shots that normally travels 3/4 of the way to the boundary. He had broadcasted his style during the NZD series and that he’s compulsive at doing so. The pacer bowled the ball with the trap set and Faheem almost fell into it. Flip the situation, would any of PAK’s pacers or Waqar have the presence of mind to know they need to do this? I doubt they would even know have registered this.

Their organisational memory and cricketing acumen is comparable to that of a teaspoon.
 
Yk313 said:
There is none. All the way from the grassroots, there is none. Children playing on streets looking to hoick across the line.

A whole generation of children - thankfully not mine, I would have disinherited them - grew up wanting to emulate Afridi the batsman.

Children do not have the patience to watch Test cricket (not highlights).

The do not know they can run two / run by hitting to the wrong arm of a fielder (right hand of left handed fielder etc).

They do not know they can open the face of the blade to guide 7th stump length ball to 3rd man.

They do not know that pressure often relents when 1st / 2nd change bowlers come on to bowl.

They do not know that they do not need to do anything extra if they are chasing at 5 per over and have already hit a boundary in the over.

List is too long and frankly watching the current lot it is difficult to organise thoughts given so many loose ends.

Faheem played one of his pick up pull shots that normally travels 3/4 of the way to the boundary. He had broadcasted his style during the NZD series and that he’s compulsive at doing so. The pacer bowled the ball with the trap set and Faheem almost fell into it. Flip the situation, would any of PAK’s pacers or Waqar have the presence of mind to know they need to do this? I doubt they would even know have registered this.

Their organisational memory and cricketing acumen is comparable to that of a teaspoon.
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India has become extremely professional in this regard. They have beaten Australia in Australia two times in a row just because of superior tactics and planning
 
shariqnoor said:
I believe Pakistan collapses against these C sides (SL, Zimbabwe, SA, now England) because of the fact that they are C sides. The moment you make Pakistan favourites, they completely panic.

With Pakistan, it's never an issue of complacency. In fact it's the other problem. Fear of losing to a C side. That fear of losing makes them play so timidly, a collapse is an absolute given.

Had England been playing their full strength side, Pakistan would've competed okay-ishly.
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The mark of a team full of limited cricketers that aren't mentally up to the standards of competing in international sport. The unreasonable expectations from fans only compounds the misery.
 
Yk313 said:
There is none. All the way from the grassroots, there is none. Children playing on streets looking to hoick across the line.

A whole generation of children - thankfully not mine, I would have disinherited them - grew up wanting to emulate Afridi the batsman.

Children do not have the patience to watch Test cricket (not highlights).

The do not know they can run two / run by hitting to the wrong arm of a fielder (right hand of left handed fielder etc).

They do not know they can open the face of the blade to guide 7th stump length ball to 3rd man.

They do not know that pressure often relents when 1st / 2nd change bowlers come on to bowl.

They do not know that they do not need to do anything extra if they are chasing at 5 per over and have already hit a boundary in the over.

List is too long and frankly watching the current lot it is difficult to organise thoughts given so many loose ends.

Faheem played one of his pick up pull shots that normally travels 3/4 of the way to the boundary. He had broadcasted his style during the NZD series and that he’s compulsive at doing so. The pacer bowled the ball with the trap set and Faheem almost fell into it. Flip the situation, would any of PAK’s pacers or Waqar have the presence of mind to know they need to do this? I doubt they would even know have registered this.

Their organisational memory and cricketing acumen is comparable to that of a teaspoon.
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Not the fault of kids

That's what you'll have for making Afridi the national hero
 
Match is still on if Hassan is careful,taking singles and doubles and hitting when it is necessary.
 
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Nikhil_cric said:
Just get rid of faheem and shadab, play Hasan at 7 and play 4 proper bowlers.
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Why Shadab? he has scored runs expected of a mini all rounder in the two matches, and bowled well enough today. Issue is Pakistan main batsmen and Fahim Ashraf. Shadab is guilty of brainless shot though.
 
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Mesozoic said:
Imagine if Hasan Ali wins this with a 40 ball 80 lol..
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As a fan I will take it but, that wont change the overall poor dynamics that have been on display in this series.

The gap between the top 3 and rest is worrying as a cricket fan. Eng and India can put in 2 XIs and they can most likely compete with even Aus and below in white ball cricket (Ind did show in tests as well but, I am not sure if it can be consistently replicated).
 
The lower order Sohaib, Shahab and Faheem just threw it away. RRR was not high and they could have batted sensibly even though the top order collapsed yet again
 
Why would you keep going for it? You could have just strike singles after bringing the RR back…
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Just get rid of faheem and shadab, play Hasan at 7 and play 4 proper bowlers.
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PAK are doing what they did during the CWC19.

PAK started with Asif Ali being present in the side for Power hitting. They realised later that his contribution with the bat was as much as that of Wahab / Hassan but Wahab and Hassan could bowl ten overs and hold on to catches.

Faheem in ODIs offers nothing. He does not have the same amount of time as he does in Tests and nor does he have as many gaps in the outfield as he’s an aerial 4 hitter - does not hit it all the way for a six but neither does he hit all of his 4s along the ground. Fields in Test cricket being tighter and the fact that dot ball percentages do not matter as much mean he can take his time, not worry about strike rotation and still have a ~35 ish score with 4-6 boundaries.
 
Not even good enough for England D - I think its high time we organise a tri tournament with the likes of Bangla/SL/Zimbabwe.

Afghanistan will probably smash this team the way they are playing
 
Hasan is essentially a poor man Afridi. A shame he had to throw it away after that huge over
 
No match awareness or intelligence at all from these lads.

Horrible cricket.

They need a hard task master to discipline them.
 
Was always on the cards. Cant blame Hassan here as he is more likely to survive by hitting than defending but, he can grow as a bowling all rounder if he works on his defensive technique along with strike rotation. As a hitter he is possibly the best amongst all rounders.
 
Last Monetarist said:
The mark of a team full of limited cricketers that aren't mentally up to the standards of competing in international sport. The unreasonable expectations from fans only compounds the misery.
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Ofcourse. Most of the fans cannot reconcile that these group of players are simply not good enough to compete with the top 4 sides.

These guys can win odd games here or there and suddenly the expectation is that they should win bilateral series and now the expectation is for them to win the T20 world cup.

The team is good between the ranks of 5-8. Above that there is a huge gulf in class.
 
Haven't seen such silly game of cricket for a while. Maqsood, Shadab, Hasan all going for shots as if chasing 350.why you guys didn't try to stay at the wicket while going for shots on e in a while?
 
Clear lack of belief in the batsmen. No application shown. Trying to hit out of self inflicted pressure.No guts
 
Not impressed with Shakeel one bit tbh.

Struggling to hit boundaries, this isnt a test match kid.

You just saw Hasan doing his thing and here you keep playing dot after dot.
 
Saurav said:
Hasan Ali should bat higher maybe even at 7
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8 should be more reasonable and if everyone in the batting does their job he can be useful with his hitting. 7 is a bit too high for his current skillset which revolves around hitting but, yes he has become pretty decent at that.
 
Saurav said:
Not the fault of kids

That's what you'll have for making Afridi the national hero
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Yes, I focussed on the output. The adulation that his batting approach received from the supposedly mature gentry led to this.
 
Just goes to show how poor our coaching is, after all this time they still haven’t told Hasan Ali how to manage a innings, Shakeel has shown glimpses of his talent, but not one conversation with his partner or any sight of him taking charge with the lesser batsmen
 
shariqnoor said:
Ofcourse. Most of the fans cannot reconcile that these group of players are simply not good enough to compete with the top 4 sides.

These guys can win odd games here or there and suddenly the expectation is that they should win bilateral series and now the expectation is for them to win the T20 world cup.

The team is good between the ranks of 5-8. Above that there is a huge gulf in class.
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The PSL showed that these are the best possible players you can select in the team. I can't think of anyone in domestic cricket who has not been given a chance ie Asif Ali, Khusdil Shah etc.

We are paying for decades of neglecting our domestic cricket and being isolated in international cricket. No quick fixes. Sri Lanka is in the same boat
 
LegendAli said:
Not impressed with Shakeel one bit tbh.

Struggling to hit boundaries, this isnt a test match kid.

You just saw Hasan doing his thing and here you keep playing dot after dot.
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What you want him to do give his wicket away and let two tailenders play?
 
Pakistan deserves these thrashings when they continue to play frauds like Shadab and Faheem who've been stealing a living for 4 years.

Usman Qadir is a significantly better bowler than Shadab but they won't play him because Shadab is an "allrounder". You know England is weak against spin but then you go ahead and play the worst spinner in your squad.
 
Babar should be sane enough to resign from captaincy and focus on his batting.

Management needs to throw out egoistic Waqar and Defensive spineless Misbah asap.

Bring some foreign coaches with psychologist.
 
Thephenom said:
Just goes to show how poor our coaching is, after all this time they still haven’t told Hasan Ali how to manage a innings, Shakeel has shown glimpses of his talent, but not one conversation with his partner or any sight of him taking charge with the lesser batsmen
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Why should he? Why not bat not out? He will be dropped given our rotten selection culture if he goes out swinging and gets dismissed
 
LegendAli said:
Not impressed with Shakeel one bit tbh

Struggling to hit boundaries, this isnt a test match kid.

You just saw Hasan doing his thing and here you keep playing dot after dot.
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Pak still just need run a ball. His innings has been fine in my opinion chasing 248. If top 4 could have done what Saud did, Pak could have potentially won the match.
 
LegendAli said:
Not impressed with Shakeel one bit tbh.

Struggling to hit boundaries, this isnt a test match kid.

You just saw Hasan doing his thing and here you keep playing dot after dot.
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He will need to work on his power game sure. But he’s batting like a number 4. Think he should look to bat for himself and secure his position instead of trying to win the match. As sad as that sounds.
 
Yk313 said:
PAK are doing what they did during the CWC19.

PAK started with Asif Ali being present in the side for Power hitting. They realised later that his contribution with the bat was as much as that of Wahab / Hassan but Wahab and Hassan could bowl ten overs and hold on to catches.

Faheem in ODIs offers nothing. He does not have the same amount of time as he does in Tests and nor does he have as many gaps in the outfield as he’s an aerial 4 hitter - does not hit it all the way for a six but neither does he hit all of his 4s along the ground. Fields in Test cricket being tighter and the fact that dot ball percentages do not matter as much mean he can take his time, not worry about strike rotation and still have a ~35 ish score with 4-6 boundaries.
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This. Play Faheem in tests where he can be 4th seamer while adding useful runs especially in SENA countries. That should be his role.
 
PakPremi said:
What you want him to do give his wicket away and let two tailenders play?
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The match is lost, why else did Hasan just play the way he did?

Shakeel throwing away his wicket at this point is absoloutely irrelevant, weak argument.
 
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