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England [469/9 & 129/3] beat West Indies [287 & 198] by 113 runs in the 2nd Test at Manchester

England have sent in Stokes and Butler to open the innings. Good move.
 
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10 more overs.

England can easily score 100 and declare today.
 
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Buttler is having a nightmare of time in test cricket recently. Unless he remains in the team against Pak and Pak revives his career as they did in 2018, looks like someone else probably Foakes is gonna take his spot.
 
STAT: The last time none of the openers from first innings did not open in the second innings for England was also against WI in 1953/54.
1st inngs: Len Hutton & Trevor Bailey
2nd inngs: Tom Graveney & Willie Watson
 
King_Kohli said:
STAT: The last time none of the openers from first innings did not open in the second innings for England was also against WI in 1953/54.
1st inngs: Len Hutton & Trevor Bailey
2nd inngs: Tom Graveney & Willie Watson
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Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
 
This wicket has become pretty uneven as the match has progressed.
 
No boundary yet.

Stokes has only faced 3 balls from 2.4 overs. He needs to face more balls.
 
Good over for England. 8 from it. They need more good overs.

17/1 after 4 overs. England lead by 199 runs.
 
Considering state of pitch, conditions and WI batting lineup anything around even 250 would be tough to chase down but not sure Eng is gonna take that risk. Giving target of around 300 would be mean less overs to ball at WI. Its not easy to score fast here so going to 300 target is gonna take bit of time.
 
King_Kohli said:
250 will be enough? what u think
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I dont think they will declare at 250 or 270 leaving Windies to play 90 overs. If the pitch doesn't assist their fast bowlers then they can be in trouble.

300 in 85 overs looks a safe target for me.
 
Highest 4th innings chase at OT is 294 by England vs New Zealand in 2008.

Batting last is never easy on this ground, so anything above 270 should be enough for England to declare on.
 
Ab Fan said:
I dont think they will declare at 250 or 270 leaving Windies to play 90 overs. If the pitch doesn't assist their fast bowlers then they can be in trouble.

300 in 85 overs looks a safe target for me.
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That would mean Eng scoring 97 in 11 overs, looking tough here unless Stokes has got something.
 
Scoring rate is currently 4 an over. Not a bad start but ideally it needs to get up to double that.
 
England - 37/2 after 8 overs.

England lead by 219 runs.

They couldn't finish all overs. Stumps for day 4.
 
Tomorrow's gonna be fascinating. England must win to have a chance of regaining the Wisden Trophy, WI need to draw to retain.
 
Tomorrow we will see absolute beauty of Test Cricket.
On to day 5 with all results possible.
 
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That would mean Eng scoring 97 in 11 overs, looking tough here unless Stokes has got something.
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Maximum 98 overs game to be played tomorrow.

So they need 81 now in 13 overs to get to 300... possible.

That will leave Windies with 85 overs and 300 runs target. If you cut down a couple of overs for break then 300 in 83, it's gonna be fun :)))

But with 83 overs, they won't be able to utilise the second new ball.
 
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All set up beautifully.

I worry about the Windies though, especially if they lose early wickets.
 
That Butler duck had me laughing. So cocky. Backfired so hilariously.

If England get another 90 runs, and so a lead of 300, the game is theirs to win.

If they declare on a lead of 250 or less, WI might be able to pull off a very difficult win (Broad looks readily to bowl them out singlehandedly, judging by his post-match interview).
 
Another 70 runs should be enough for England to declare. West Indies need to just set normal fields. Setting defensive fields will just play into England's hands.

West Indies batting line up will need to be on top of their game to get a draw.
 
The last few pages of this thread neatly summarise the beauty of test cricket. The game seemed to be drifting towards an unentertaining conclusion and bang! a burst of wickets and legitimately all three results are now possible again.

I think the game is getting set up nicely for an England win. I hope the Windies can prove me wrong but I think the pressure will get to them.
 
Stuart Broad says England could gamble to force victory in second Test against West Indies

Stuart Broad says England may gamble on the final morning to ensure they get two new balls later in the day as they bid to square the Test series against West Indies.

Broad took three wickets as England bowled the tourists out for 287 at Old Trafford to maintain their hopes of victory in the second of the three-Test series, live on Sky Sports Cricket.

The home side resume on Monday with an overall lead of 219 and Broad feels they need to risk an early declaration to give themselves enough overs to bowl out West Indies - who lead the series 1-0 - for a second time.

With a total of 98 overs scheduled for Monday, that scenario could mean England set a target after less than an hour's play and open the door to the possibility of defeat.

"We need to set it up in the first 45 minutes to an hour," Broad told Sky Sports. "A dream world (would be) to try and get two new balls because we've seen the new ball has behaved slightly different on this pitch.

"But we've given ourselves a chance of winning this game, which is a great position to be in and I probably would (risk it).

"We've not really had those chats about where we want to be runs-wise, but I think the second new ball is going to be quite important, even if it's for four, five or six overs. If West Indies were seven down with that second new ball, you'd feel it would give you a chance.

"Wth a bit of short-pitched bowling you can stop the scoring quite quickly, with big square boundaries and windy conditions, so I think we'd sacrifice a few runs for the chance to have that second new ball, for sure."

Broad, who was controversially left out for England's four-wicket defeat in the first Test at the Ageas Bowl, before returning to the line-up at Old Trafford, took a while to hit his straps.

But the seamer's three-wicket burst after tea, when he removed half-centurion Shamarh Brooks, followed by Jermaine Blackwood and Shane Dowrich in quick succession, put his side back in the ascendancy as West Indies collapsed from 242-4.

"I think all of us were finding our feet a little bit," added Broad. "That first spell felt an little bit foreign and I was probably a bit careful with my action, run-up and everything.

"Coming around the wicket and bowling a few bouncers freed me up a little bit - it got me through my action and after tea I decided I was going to charge in, pick my knees up, and didn't care what length I was going to bowl.

"I just thought I'd hold the seam, try and wobble it and whack it into the pitch as hard as I could and I think my line became more natural then. So when that second new ball came, I found the right tempo.

"I bet everybody thought walking into tea it was a bore draw, that this game was going nowhere. Then something sparked into life after tea.

"I really enjoyed that spell - that's where I'm at my best, when it's time to make something happen and there's encouragement from the pitch."

On his recall for the second Test, Broad added: "I don't think there's any point to prove. I genuinely didn't feel like I had to prove anyone wrong.

"I've done all that talking on the field, but I felt quietly - or maybe not that quietly - that when I got the chance again I needed to be in the best place to perform."

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...ce-victory-in-second-test-against-west-indies
 
West Indies will lose second Test against England if they are too negative, says Sir Curtly Ambrose

Sir Curtly Ambrose says West Indies will lose the second #raisethebat Test against England if they are too negative on day five at Emirates Old Trafford.

The tourists trail by 219 after day four and are set to be tasked with saving the game - and preserving their 1-0 lead in the three-match series - once the hosts stretch their lead closer to 300 on Monday morning.

England will resume on 37-2, with Ben Stokes unbeaten on 16 and captain Joe Root eight not out, knowing only a victory will keep alive their hopes of regaining the Wisden Trophy, with West Indies current holders after triumphing 2-1 in the Caribbean in early 2019.

Speaking on The Cricket Debate - a show you can listen to in the player above - former West Indies seamer Ambrose said: "You can't go out there thinking 'we are 1-0 up, just bat out the whole of the last day and once the game is drawn we retain the Wisden Trophy'.

"That's not the way West Indians play - we always think about winning first. Then, if you get in a situation late in the day where it's almost impossible to win, let's lock up shop.

"If West Indies go out and think about drawing the game too early they could find themselves in a very dangerous position. They have to play positive, play their natural game.

"It will be difficult chasing around 280 on a fifth-day wicket that is offering a lot of assistance to the bowlers, both pace and spinners.

"West Indies are not going to win it. I think they can bat out the day but if they play negative cricket they will lose and bring England right back into the series."

Ambrose's fellow Cricket Debate guest, Ravi Bopara, said: "I don't think England need above 300, especially on this pitch now.

"We saw plenty of movement with the new ball so I think 280 will put it beyond West Indies, if I'm honest.

"If England bat on and try and get 300, 320, then that gives you fewer overs with the second new ball. England may need that and have 10 overs with it if West Indies are, say, seven down."

Also on the Cricket Debate, Ambrose, Bopara, Dominic Cork and Mark Butcher discussed…

Why Windies batsman Shai Hope has struggled in Test cricket since his twin tons at Headingley in 2017

Why it took Joe Root so long to bring Ben Stokes into the attack at Emirates Old Trafford

Who England's spinner should be going forward in Test cricket

How consistency of personnel in the slip cordon is crucial

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...they-are-too-negative-says-sir-curtly-ambrose
 
West Indies have used two of their reviews already, on impossible LBW decisions, presumably to try and take time out of the game. But on the last day of a Test match, barring poor weather or bad light then all of the overs have to be bowled. Nasser not happy with this tactic from West Indies on commentary and to be honest it does seem quite negative.
 
This is fast scoring even for T20. How many balls had Stokes faced?
 
That sets up the rest of the day nicely.

England need 10 wickets of course.

West Indies need 312 from 85 overs to win, or more realistically, survive 85 overs to draw and keep the Wisden Trophy in the Caribbean.
 
As said earlier, England would look to give Windies about 85 overs and 300 runs total. Luckily with Stokes there till the end, they have added 10 runs more. It's gonna be fascinating. My money on England though.
 
Ben Stokes has set up the match for Eng once again, now its totally upto their bowling department to stand up.
 
stokes has zero weakness. He has all the skills inn the book. He seriously could be amongst the top 5 greatest ever all rounders of all time quite easily.

Stokes has all the shots, he has impenetrable defense, he is a super athlete, good footwork, elite level timing and power to go along with it. His hand eye coordination is stellar. Complete player. He also bowls over 138 kmph and can chip in with match winning wickets.
 
Ab Fan said:
They would have been 30 runs short if they had lost Stokes early.
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True and maybe more. Till yesterday it wasnt looking like anybody was gonna score at the rate Stokes did. He scored 78 from 57 balls of Eng’s 129 runs and hit 7 out of total 9 boundaries.
 
Late review but a good review. Didn't think much of it given no appeal from Buttler but a faint edge sees WI one down already.

Brathwaite and Hope must get to lunch without further damage.
 
England’s game to lose now. This has been their best session of the match.
 
If ever there was a time for Shai Hope to perform.

This should be his last innings if he fails again.
 
I want to know what the England think tank was smoking when they decided to drop Broad last game
 
Woakes and broad are are a must for every test in england, they aren't better than Jimmy.
 
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England’s decision to leave Broad out at Soton looking more and more stupid.

His wicket 491.
 
Wood or archer in next test for the extra pace for curran, Bess needs to be persisted with, if he gets left out it will send a negative message for the guy replacing him that perform or your out!.
 
Robert said:
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England’s decision to leave Broad out at Soton looking more and more stupid.

His wicket 491.
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some dude on PP had the nerve to tell me that broad wasn't picked because the captain dint think he was good enough rofl.

broad, woakes/curran, archer are crucial to the team. Add in root who dint play.
 
Manunited18 said:
Wood or archer in next test for the extra pace for curran, Bess needs to be persisted with, if he gets left out it will send a negative message for the guy replacing him that perform or your out!.
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root dint play the first test.
archer I guess isn't missed but still crucial.
broad dint play the first test due to some absurd reason.
woakes dint play either.

these 4 are key in English conditions. Curran in particular is very good in English and new zeland conditions but englsnd generally choose either woakes or curran. I would go for woakes due to the extra pace.
 
to beat England in England you need to have bowlers who are great exponents of swing conditons plus batsmen who can block for days with good defensive technique.

Australia and south africa generally have good swing bowlers plus pakistan too. Australia has smith. Not sure about Pakistan's batting vs swing off late but many do play county so I am assuming they shouldn't have problems with swing conditons.

I think pakistan can trouble England in England.
 
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