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England are not making it, doors open for Pakistan and South Africa

GLORY OF '92 said:
They aren't going to recover from this.

Can we capitalise?
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Bro, overreaction, the tournament just started.

I already said NZ would win since yesterday, that doesn't mean England is weak. The door isn't open for Pakistan because NZ gave Pakistan the same treatment in warmups lol.
 
Learn to read the emotions. Mark my words they aren't recovering. Plus Morgan was crucial current captain isn't as good.
 
Englands next two games are against BD and AFG, plenty of time to recover.
 
Ah yes emotions, the one true and infallible indicator of cricket performance. Forget talent and form, which team has the best emotions will win the world cup :p
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Learn to read the emotions. Mark my words they aren't recovering. Plus Morgan was crucial current captain isn't as good.
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By this logic Argentina should have wrapped up in group games after losing to Saudi Arabia? Tata bye bye

England is too strong of a team to not to recover. Even English fans wouldn't react like this, this approach is quite a subcontinent fans thinking with their teams
 
England will recover no 2 ways . Will come back harder. Afg & Ban next will bear the brunt of it ! And it's along long tournament. Fitness will be a key component. NZ already has a few injuries.
 
Kriketer said:
By this logic Argentina should have wrapped up in group games after losing to Saudi Arabia? Tata bye bye

England is too strong of a team to not to recover. Even English fans wouldn't react like this, this approach is quite a subcontinent fans thinking with their teams
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They lost by 1 goal. Wood on these pitches looks average. They need Stokes back desperately.
 
Too early to make the prediction. Remember in WT20 2021 Australia received similar thrashing against England. Then they won the world T20 :)
 
They will end up winning the whole thing. Too much quality in their team, just one bad day
 
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Funny.

First match and England written off.

This is going to come back and bite OP.
 
Rana said:
England can’t afford any more slip ups now I recon
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The thing is if you win the remaining 8 games, this heavy loss becomes irrelevant.

Its only if you win 5 or 6 games and need a semi spot, a heavy loss can be goodbye on NRR.

If you win 8 games, NRR will be out of picture.

This is what I am trying to say to everyone who thinks ENGLAND are out.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
The thing is if you win the remaining 8 games, this heavy loss becomes irrelevant.

Its only if you win 5 or 6 games and need a semi spot, a heavy loss can be goodbye on NRR.

If you win 8 games, NRR will be out of picture.

This is what I am trying to say to everyone who thinks ENGLAND are out.
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India will demolish England.

Morgan was the key. Without him they are a fragile ODI team.

SL , Pakistan and SA too will fancy their chances.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
The thing is if you win the remaining 8 games, this heavy loss becomes irrelevant.

Its only if you win 5 or 6 games and need a semi spot, a heavy loss can be goodbye on NRR.

If you win 8 games, NRR will be out of picture.

This is what I am trying to say to everyone who thinks ENGLAND are out.
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I mentioned in the match thread,

England most likely have preempted losses to India and Australia only. NZ was a game they most likely predicted to win. They know that SA, SL and Pak are capable of causing an upset as well against them.

5 wins is risky business for them. They are so casual at times that they can also slip up against NL and AFG too
 
Rana said:
I mentioned in the match thread,

England most likely have preempted losses to India and Australia only. NZ was a game they most likely predicted to win. They know that SA, SL and Pak are capable of causing an upset as well against them.

5 wins is risky business for them. They are so casual at times that they can also slip up against NL and AFG too
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Furthermore

A loss like this spells trouble for everyone really. They are not going to take things casually now.

Pakistan play them in the crunch parts of the league, you’d rather be playing an England that already recons they’ve won the game before the first ball, not an England side that can’t afford to lose against a middling side
 
Need 7 wins to qualify without NRR coming in to play. But if all teams play well , then 6 or even 5 wins will be enough but not good for Eng as their NRR took a beating. Still I think Eng will bounce back from this.
 
Rana said:
Furthermore

A loss like this spells trouble for everyone really. They are not going to take things casually now.

Pakistan play them in the crunch parts of the league, you’d rather be playing an England that already recons they’ve won the game before the first ball, not an England side that can’t afford to lose against a middling side
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Without Stokes they'll crumble. They need him back ASAP.
 
Dropping Roy was a poor decision if you ask me.

They needed Roy and Bairstow to open with Malan coming in at 3. Then Root, Butler and then Brooks.

Livingstone is the one who they need to think about.
 
I was expecting this, England's bowling is pretty average and this reckless bazball approach of batting wont work all the time.

Eng could still comeback, but South Africa, Aus, Nz, Ind are looking miles better
 
lol I can't believe people are thinking this after 1 game. England have the ability to run the table rest of the table.

I personally would love to see England flame out and be awful rest of the tournament however.
 
It is better to lose a couple of matches at the start of the tournament rather than at the end of the tournament.
 
All teams can stage a come back. One thing is certain. England batting has to step up big time. There are some pitches where Moeen and Rashid will be able to help England. But in other pitches Batsmen have to be able to score above par.
 
Man , pak plays eng as one of their last league games. That could be a cracker jacker qualification winner qualfies type of game like a quarter final for the last slot who knows!!
 
This defeat reminded me of Pakistan at the 2019 World Cup when they were demolished by West Indies in their first match.

It takes a lot to recover from such a loss, especially with the NRR factor
 
hassan918 said:
It is better to lose a couple of matches at the start of the tournament rather than at the end of the tournament.
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really good point....India does this a lot ....lol win every game and lose the semis
 
Rana said:
England can’t afford any more slip ups now I recon
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Their schedule gives them time to recover

Next 2 matches against Bang and Afg which they will ace and can cover up NRR

Then SA and Sri Lanka. Of these they will likely win both and worst case only one. Losinh SA match is the only real banana skin for them which can impact their qualification. They will be 4/5 by end of this leg

Following which they have India and Aus games which they can afford to lose both as long as they are close losses. Thus 4/7.

Finally they have games against Ned and Pak. Eng will know exactly what to do to qualify and will come to blow away both teams on NRR.

Very very hard to stop Eng with this schedule unless SA pull off an upset and botn India and Aus play perfect games
 
Saj said:
This defeat reminded me of Pakistan at the 2019 World Cup when they were demolished by West Indies in their first match.

It takes a lot to recover from such a loss, especially with the NRR factor
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People underestimate scarring such losses cause. Can take months to recover.
 
pratiktc said:
Their schedule gives them time to recover

Next 2 matches against Bang and Afg which they will ace and can cover up NRR

Then SA and Sri Lanka. Of these they will likely win both and worst case only one. Losinh SA match is the only real banana skin for them which can impact their qualification. They will be 4/5 by end of this leg

Following which they have India and Aus games which they can afford to lose both as long as they are close losses. Thus 4/7.

Finally they have games against Ned and Pak. Eng will know exactly what to do to qualify and will come to blow away both teams on NRR.

Very very hard to stop Eng with this schedule unless SA pull off an upset and botn India and Aus play perfect games
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If pitches spin Bangladesh can trouble England I reckon.
 
Saj said:
This defeat reminded me of Pakistan at the 2019 World Cup when they were demolished by West Indies in their first match.

It takes a lot to recover from such a loss, especially with the NRR factor
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Eng went through this 2019 as well. After they lost to pak and sl they had to win 6 games in a row to win the WC with every game being a knockout. They still can lose 2 more games I would say and still qualify. That's why their last game with pak becomes very very crucial
 
Apart from gulf in bowling quality captaincy was a massive difference. Buttler didn't quickly realize the conditions. He should have stopped using Woakes after first over and used Jo Root to bowl against left handers. Jo Has this knack of picking wickets with his wide deliveries. There was clear lack of thought process.
 
pratiktc said:
Their schedule gives them time to recover

Next 2 matches against Bang and Afg which they will ace and can cover up NRR

Then SA and Sri Lanka. Of these they will likely win both and worst case only one. Losinh SA match is the only real banana skin for them which can impact their qualification. They will be 4/5 by end of this leg

Following which they have India and Aus games which they can afford to lose both as long as they are close losses. Thus 4/7.

Finally they have games against Ned and Pak. Eng will know exactly what to do to qualify and will come to blow away both teams on NRR.

Very very hard to stop Eng with this schedule unless SA pull off an upset and botn India and Aus play perfect games
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People are underestimating eng here. I think they have a good chance against India and aus also. SA is the wild card here for a lot of teams though
 
Rana said:
Dropping Roy was a poor decision if you ask me.

They needed Roy and Bairstow to open with Malan coming in at 3. Then Root, Butler and then Brooks.

Livingstone is the one who they need to think about.
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That's a good point, they dropped Roy for Harry Brook who had a terrible time in India during the IPL. At least that should have served as a reminder to the English selection panel.

I didn't pick Brook in my fantasy team purely on the basis of how he struggled in the IPL 😂
 
sam_ahm said:
That's a good point, they dropped Roy for Harry Brook who had a terrible time in India during the IPL. At least that should have served as a reminder to the English selection panel.

I didn't pick Brook in my fantasy team purely on the basis of how he struggled in the IPL 😂
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Unselfish players are bad picks for Fantasy league :) Bankable players are Babar azam kind of players.
 
Saj said:
This defeat reminded me of Pakistan at the 2019 World Cup when they were demolished by West Indies in their first match.

It takes a lot to recover from such a loss, especially with the NRR factor
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Come on this match was hardly anything like the Windies match. England started well and were ahead at one point,everyone seemed to get a good start and the batting just failed to go into high gear without getting out. Yes the bowling was weak but it was a flat pitch.

That windies match was total annihilation top to bottom. Pakistan never had a chance of winning once it was clear they were hopeless against the short stuff.
 
I won't exclude them from the top 4 race just based on one poor performance.

They are stiil very much capable of doing strong come back.
 
Semi finals will be
Aus v pak
Ind v nz/eng

Final

Aus v nz/Eng

Aus will smash the crapp out of nz/Eng
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Learn to read the emotions. Mark my words they aren't recovering. Plus Morgan was crucial current captain isn't as good.
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they reall were never all that great. even last 2019 they fluked it. took humongous amount of luck to win.
 
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Cricket Warrior said:
I won't exclude them from the top 4 race just based on one poor performance.

They are stiil very much capable of doing strong come back.
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yea in england maybe. no where else in odi or tests. this isnt t20. flat track bullies will get found out soon.
 
I wouldn’t write them off at all. I expect England to bundle their way through to the semis, and from there it’s anyone’s game
 
TheSultan said:
I wouldn’t write them off at all. I expect England to bundle their way through to the semis, and from there it’s anyone’s game
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NRR could become an issue for them.
 
What is the point of such a thread?

If Pakistan do make it to the SF, the haters will come out with excuses such Pakistan only qualified because Australia and England played poorly, blah blah blah.
 
Interesting result here. It makes the WC more interesting in coming days.
 
A red hot New Zealand and India plus a South Africa (free from the baggage of previous teams) are probs already in the semis or at least have a foot in the semis.

England to me look like a washed up side, unable to apply the Morgan model from 2019 here in subcontinent conditions and being lead by a (far inferior) leader.

4th spot is a toss up between Pak/Aus imo

I wouldn't discount the Aussies ability to make a comeback, historically too good of a side. Logic would say that that as a subcontinent team, Pakistan should make the cut. Makes the Pak/Aus match this Friday one to watch, almost a quasi quarter final, whoever wins it has probably got a foot in the semis alongside the other three.
 
Tbf it's probably the best situation for us

If New Zealand, South Africa and India are all locked in for the semi's than we have two favourable match ups

1. New Zealand who we have done historically well against in knock out games

2. South Africa who haven't beat us in an ICC event since 2013 and are the poster boys of chocking

Honestly the optimism is going up now. Key game vs Australia
 
The 4 teams at the top of the table after today's game will be the four semifinalists. Only their placings will change. Despite humiliating defeat against India, Pakistan will win their games against the SENA teams. I am sure they will make a couple of changes to their team and will come back strong just like 2019.
 
Huge game now, pak vs aus. If somehow pak can beat aus friday, chances will seriously increase to get to the semis.

Just get that team combo right!
 
This loss opened the doors for Pakistan and Australia for the 4th SF spot. Now it will be a 3 way fight between AUS, PAK and ENG with IND, NZ and SA almost cementing their berths unless a few more big upsets.
 
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