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England beat Sri Lanka by 6 wickets in the 4th ODI

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England Team
JJ Roy, AD Hales, JE Root, EJG Morgan*, JM Bairstow, JC Buttler†, CR Woakes, DJ Willey, MM Ali, AU Rashid, LE Plunkett

Sri Lanka Team
MDKJ Perera, MD Gunathilaka, BKG Mendis, WU Tharanga, LD Chandimal†, AD Mathews*, MD Shanaka, MF Maharoof, S Prasanna, N Pradeep, RAS Lakmal
 
I hope Kusal Mendis doesn't throw his wicket away like he does so often. He needs to push on.
 
Good to see SL's batting firing for once. The Oval has historically been a good venue for SC sides.
 
Looking at the radar and the desire of the umpires to keep play going I'd be very surprised if we didn't get some sort of a game in in this one, something I thought would be extremely unlikely looking at the forecast this morning. A shortened came could benefit SL here given their very good start as it will mean any potential collapse would be less likely and theyre already going along at a good RR.
 
This will be one of the very few instances in which the team batting first could be benefited because of D/L if there is going to be any play today. Thanks to Sri Lanka's blistering start.
 
Interesting game indeed. Let's see what the likes of Root, Butler and Hales have in store when they come to bat.
 
Ab Fan said:
Interesting game indeed. Let's see what the likes of Root, Butler and Hales have in store when they come to bat.
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Hales won't be coming out to bat unless required, Root or Ali will presumably open.
 
Good thing for England is that SL's bowling is just as crap so they have every chance of chasing this down.
 
I don't know whose bowling is more crap?

Never thought I would say this but even our bowling looks better compared to these two..
 
Sanath really does have an eye for a talent. He believed in player's talent and their potential.

1. Kusal Mendis had a List A avg of 20 and his highest score 72 before making his debut and now he averages 34 in ODI.
2. Consistent chance allowed Gunathilaka to display his talent.
3. Tharanga has batted pretty consistently playing down the order.
 
#GreenRoars said:
Where were SL before???
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Sri Lankan batsmen has always liked fast pitches. SL is only team with winning record over Australia in Australia in LOis in the last 7 or 8 years. SL players cannot be beaten by pace or bounce however, swing and intelligence will cripple them.
 
Presuming Hales may be given a rest for the last game given he's now an all formats player and Vince may take his opening berth.
 
***! How come the target is only increased by 2 runs? I thought Sri Lanka would have an advantage because of D/L with the kind of start they had. D/L is ******** and makes no sense. The target should have been around 330.
 
King Kong said:
***! How come the target is only increased by 2 runs? I thought Sri Lanka would have an advantage because of D/L with the kind of start they had. D/L is ******** and makes no sense. The target should have been around 330.
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Duckworth and Lewis are English.
 
King Kong said:
***! How come the target is only increased by 2 runs? I thought Sri Lanka would have an advantage because of D/L with the kind of start they had. D/L is ******** and makes no sense. The target should have been around 330.
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It's a flawed system, but still the closest one. Others used are


- straight line RR : 99% time team chasing will win in an even contest
- deduct least scoring overs from target (runs & overs) : so it became SAF needing 22 of 13 to 22 of 1, because their bowlers bowled 2 maidens

I think D&L works better in a game which is interrupted in chasing innings. For example, SRL finishing at 350/9 & then ENG's chase reduced to 42 overs.

In this match context, SRL is unfortunate as they lost 5 wickets & their game was reduced by 8 overs at the early stage. Had this game stopped at 38th over - same target could have been 320+

PAK-SAF match was of similar duration (43 overs, I believe), but PAK got 11 runs extra, despite being all-out, because the game was interrupted in late stages.

Somewhere I did study the maths behind it, but forgot now; therefore can't explain. But, it's not effective in shorter games (T20) & it's not that effective if both the innings are to be adjusted.
 
[MENTION=140009]The Last Of The Stars[/MENTION] get out of the stats book now. Look at the knock Mendis played today.
 
[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] this is why Roy is so great in ODI cricket. Not a hack and not too consistent but on his day he can destroy the opposition. Hales is more of an accumulator even though he is destructive too.
 
Worth remembering that Sri Lanka got more power play overs than England due to the adjustments as well (not sure by how many?).

Roy looking destructive at the moment.
 
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does Srilankan batting has more potential to score 300+ than Pakistan? [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
 
Rafay Shafiq said:
does Srilankan batting has more potential to score 300+ than Pakistan? [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
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Any batting lineup that couldn't get 300 on this deck should feel pretty bad about themselves. Think people are criticising the England bowling attack a bit too much when yet they still managed to restrict Sri Lanka to a par score.
 
HitWicket said:
Any batting lineup that couldn't get 300 on this deck should feel pretty bad about themselves. Think people are criticising the England bowling attack a bit too much when yet they still managed to restrict Sri Lanka to a par score.
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Yes. I understand Srilankan batting less reliable but does it has more potential to score 300+ than Pakistan?
 
aliasad1998 said:
[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] this is why Roy is so great in ODI cricket. Not a hack and not too consistent but on his day he can destroy the opposition. Hales is more of an accumulator even though he is destructive too.
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Basically this. Roy us inconsistent but when he gets it right England will score big and chase big targets with ease.

Hales is more than capable of being the destructive one but he uses his brain and knows Roy can do it so he holds back till he is set.
 
Well played Roy. Showing that he belongs at this level and that he is feeling comfortable.
 
Why doesn't Mathews put a slip in when the off spinner is bowling to Morgan and keep the field up? Such a defensive captain
 
Rafay Shafiq said:
does Srilankan batting has more potential to score 300+ than Pakistan? [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
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Haven't seen the surface, but these days they do crazy staff with wicket & boundary size; therefore I'll wait for ENG reply. For the Oval wicket & boundary that I knew, 300 in 55 overs was a very good total; in fact PAK failed to chase 291 in 60 overs against WI in 1979 SF, despite one of the best ever partnerships for 2nd wicket.

In general, I think even Ireland has better chance to post 300+ on a good wicket than Pakistan. I expect PAK to post 197/1 after 40 overs, if the wicket is absolute belter & out-filed is 60 metres with Azhar/Ahmed as opener; while reach 72/6 after 20 overs, when 170 is a match winning total.

When I used to play club cricket, even we could have an idea of what could be a reasonable total to chase or defend on a particular wicket/ground & against a particular opponent - you have to draw your own calculation here.
 
Mathews is such an unmotivated player/captain. Even when he is batting well he always looks bored and uninterested. He doesn't the fire he had when he came to the scene earlier.
 
Lanka are no match for this England ODI unit.

England will beat them 9 out of 10 times anywhere in the world at the moment.
 
brutal from roy but should have finished the match with a 185*.. anyways hope to see him play more 150 plus innings maybe will be the first English batsman to score 200 in ODIs
 
Congrats Eng will be tough to beat at home come Champions trophy next year. On another D/L is totally out of whack. I mean seriously just 2 measly runs added to a team's total having lost 8 overs with plenty of wickets in the shed? Gotta be having a laugh. Same number of power plays as well. Makes no sense whatsoever.
 
SL_Fan said:
Congrats Eng will be tough to beat at home come Champions trophy next year. On another D/L is totally out of whack. I mean seriously just 2 measly runs added to a team's total having lost 8 overs with plenty of wickets in the shed? Gotta be having a laugh. Same number of power plays as well. Makes no sense whatsoever.
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Didn't keep track how many the power plays were cut down to but did Sri Lanka not get the benefit of more power play overs due to the reduction coming about late in the innings?
 
HitWicket said:
Didn't keep track how many the power plays were cut down to but did Sri Lanka not get the benefit of more power play overs due to the reduction coming about late in the innings?
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Nope same Powerplays.

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Should have been a chase closer to the 330 mark. Just a couple of extra runs is beyond ridiculous really.
 
SL_Fan said:
Congrats Eng will be tough to beat at home come Champions trophy next year. On another D/L is totally out of whack. I mean seriously just 2 measly runs added to a team's total having lost 8 overs with plenty of wickets in the shed? Gotta be having a laugh. Same number of power plays as well. Makes no sense whatsoever.
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Duckbill Platypus is diabolical! It robbed SA of a place in the 1992 WC Final.
 
Similar loss to the 3-0 phainty NZ gifted us in NZ. Though we had stronger bowling but weaker batting.
 
Robert said:
Duckbill Platypus is diabolical! It robbed SA of a place in the 1992 WC Final.
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That was before D/L wasn't it. It did rob them of a finals berth last WC tho. Again very similar to this game. The target should have been a lot higher for NZ.
 
You need good bowlers to win a match on such track. But SL is way behind in this field as compared to others.
 
The fundamental of Lankan team is good. Here they are missing direction, more than any thing else. England at home is quite a decent ODI side, even 3 years back they made the CT final. But, this is a good English side at home - I am sure no one expected Lankans to stress England this level before the series.

I think, this series has shown two critical weaknesses in SRL side - one is universal & I wrote it several times - the game has gone to a batting shoot out, therefore the side having solid 50 overs of bowling will dominate the game. AUS is doing that because their No 8, 9, 10 & Jack makes the team on bowling merit, then can put combined 35/100 sort of batting stat. Even the recent resurgent WI team actually won 3 ODI against AUS/SAF with 40 specialist overs + Holder as 5th bowler, not 4th; in SRL standard he would be 1st or 2nd.

With just 1.5 bowlers, SRL 'll struggle against any decent side. But, still they are far professional side than what we are making off them - recently demolished Irish side at their place, because their limited attack wasn't exposed there. SRL must re-think their strategy of ODI - at least 40 genuine overs are must for them, rest 10 can be shared by bits & pieces, including Angelo. Even in England, their batting depth is underutilized, therefore I don't think they need that extra caution at 8, 9.

2nd is the leadership - finally I am done with Anjelo; he is almost at per with Azhar; almost, because unlike Azhar, as a player he'll be 1st name in the team list. This series could have been quite easily 2-1 in favor of SRL even with this attack. Anyone looking at the composition of England team should understand that it's a chasing unit - SRL with their attack decided to defend against a side having Plunket at 11. Not only SRL, when PAK 'll take on England, only chance with PAK fielding I see is to bowl first & be prepared to chase 300 against a limited English attack with very little penetration after 10-12 overs.

I still believe by 2019, SRL 'll put a decent side to WC. In last 4 years, they are the only side winning ODI series in AUS & England with this same bunch of players + couple of greats. This is a young side & already has recovered the loss of Sanga, Mahela & Dilshan in batting mostly - just missing the experience of those stalwarts. Chandimal as Captain & couple of genuine bowlers to add to the team, they'll do much better. Even a 3-2 loss to Aussies might take them to 4th or 5th spot in ranking, which I think they are quite capable of at home, if they can put 20 quality spin overs.
 
SL_Fan said:
That was before D/L wasn't it. It did rob them of a finals berth last WC tho. Again very similar to this game. The target should have been a lot higher for NZ.
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As I recall there was a rain break, then a radical increase in the RR required, then another rain break and they had to hit 21 off one ball. Sounds like the Platypus struck again!
 
Robert said:
As I recall there was a rain break, then a radical increase in the RR required, then another rain break and they had to hit 21 off one ball. Sounds like the Platypus struck again!
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That was hilarious rule - in a rain shorten game chasing side loses the least scoring overs & runs. So, SAF needed 22 of 13, then 10 minutes break & ICC couldn't accommodate that 10 minutes in their tv schedule - so SAF's target became 22 of 1 ball as their bowlers bowled 2 maidens.

Justice was served through havens though - SAF were 'too smart' in that game. They bowled 15 overs in last 90 minutes, to restrict ENG 250/5 or so in 45 overs when they were 150/1 or so at 30 over mark. Reeve & Lewis were at wicket, therefore SAF should have chased 310 in 50 overs. I wouldn't have said them "too smart" for deliberate time wasting - UNLESS they finished Donald's quota of 10 on 44th over........,
 
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