England V India - 1st Odi - Delhi

[Easa]

India win.

Harby takes 5 wickets.

 

[Swaraj!!]

On the risk of being lynched....I wish we'd lost.....at least some changes would have been brought in. Because the truth is our batting is rotten right now. But now no one will mess with a winning combination

But then again (call me an idiot) I am ecstatic we won....though I cannot imagine how. As Oxy said, fielding did it. I can remember two matches now decided totally by fielding. This one and then there was the one in which SL beat Aussies in the recent tour.

 

[Swaraj!!]

I guess today was the reason why Bhajji was in the team for so long. Sigh!!!

 

[Oxy]

On the risk of being lynched....I wish we'd lost.....at least some changes would have been brought in. .

Sometimes losing is good - esp if it prevent complacency. I dont see too much wrong with Ind's ODI squad though.

 

[invincible]

On the risk of being lynched....I wish we'd lost.....at least some changes would have been brought in. Because the truth is our batting is rotten right now. But now no one will mess with a winning combination

But then again (call me an idiot) I am ecstatic we won....though I cannot imagine how. As Oxy said, fielding did it. I can remember two matches now decided totally by fielding. This one and then there was the one in which SL beat Aussies in the recent tour.

Dont forget Ind (vs) Saffies in the champions trophy ... still cant forget those 2 brilliant catches by Yuvi

 

[aggarwald]

I guess today was the reason why Bhajji was in the team for so long. Sigh!!!

He got turn and bounce today, another instance where he made maximum use of a helpful wicket.

He needs to be chucked out of the test team though.

 

[invincible]

He got turn and bounce today, another instance where he made maximum use of a helpful wicket.

He needs to be chucked out of the test team though.

dont see many potential spinners in the country ... so, we might as well stick with him

 

[Oxy]

Is Kumble not considered for ODIs?

 

[aggarwald]

Sometimes losing is good - esp if it prevent complacency. I dont see too much wrong with Ind's ODI squad though.

I agree with the first statement. But not with the 2nd. India is a mediocre team, whose batting is highly overrated where they can't play good fast bowling with bounce and seam (no matter brown or green wicket) and also can't play good spin bowling. In short, we are a straight -knee high length-not so fast-not so much spin ball bully. As far as India's bowling goes, well, need I say anything.

 

[Tupac]

He got turn and bounce today, another instance where he made maximum use of a helpful wicket.

He needs to be chucked out of the test team though.

are you honestly an indian?

 

[Oxy]

I thought H Singh bowled siuperbly today....hasnt bowled like that in a long long time.

 

[F16]

Congrats to India for the spectacular win . Congrats specifically to Harbhajan for scoring 36 ( the highest score in Indian batting line up today ) and taking 5 wickets . Once again India's fielding decided the victor as none of the catches were dropped and the fielders gave their life in defending a very small total of 204 .

 

[Oxy]

Is it getting to the stage that Kaif could play solely for his fielding - and any runs are a bonus?

 

[invincible]

I agree with the first statement. But not with the 2nd. India is a mediocre team, whose batting is highly overrated where they can't play good fast bowling with bounce and seam (no matter brown or green wicket) and also can't play good spin bowling. In short, we are a straight -knee high length-not so fast-not so much spin ball bully. As far as India's bowling goes, well, need I say anything.

seriously, how much cricketing knowledge do you have ???

even in recent times, Indian batting line up have time and again proved that they can tackle the pitches that assist the bowlers (3rd ODI pakistan, couple of ODI's against RSA) ... what all you said about batting is the exact opposite of what the truth is ...

they are a mediocre team once in a while ... but most of the times, they deliver the goods ... i know its possible to get carried away with your opinion when you see so many posts / threads around in the forum which bash at indian's batting line-up ... but, what you have said is just over the board mate ...

 

[Oxy]

(Calm down Ind fans - I think you guys just won )

 

[aggarwald]

are you honestly an indian?

Why, An Indian can't speak the truth? Can't he believe his own eyes and ears and do an independent analysis rather than believe everything that the Indian Cricket Hype Machine dishes out?

 

[Swaraj!!]

Implode seems to be the key word here

I would rather we "implode" in this forum than out on the field....bring it on guys

 

[invincible]

Is it getting to the stage that Kaif could play solely for his fielding - and any runs are a bonus?

You cant judge him basing on today's performance ... he deserves a place in the squad for his fielding as well as holding the innings together by rotating the strike, and stepping up the gears everynow and then ... he makes the indian batting line-up complete ... off-late his form has been a bit disastrous but i am sure dravid will stick with him coz dravid is one captain who thinks and knows that every player has a bad patch ... he said that soooooo many times in sooooooo many interviews regarding bhajji, sehwag, tendulkar etc.

 

[UJ]

Good win for India

Its a game that Eng should've won considering the position they were in

 

[aggarwald]

seriously, how much cricketing knowledge do you have ???

even in recent times, Indian batting line up have time and again proved that they can tackle the pitches that assist the bowlers (3rd ODI pakistan, couple of ODI's against RSA) ... what all you said about batting is the exact opposite of what the truth is ...

they are a mediocre team once in a while ... but most of the times, they deliver the goods ... i know its possible to get carried away with your opinion when you see so many posts / threads around in the forum which bash at indian's batting line-up ... but, what you have said is just over the board mate ...

I have my own independent views and I have held them even before I joined this forum. India playing well on bowler assisted pitch is a big joke throughout the history of Indian cricket (giving one example here and there doesn't count).

In the examples you gave above, I would agree that 3rd ODI against Pak counts. Against RSA, you gave 2 examples and you are absolutely wrong here for the following reasons:

Hyd - 1st ODI - Pitch report: seaming conditions in the first 15 overs, after which it was a good batting track throughout. Indian batting: collapsed to 34-5 in the first 10 overs in seaming conditions. We recovered well to 250-9 but as I said, after 15 overs, pitch had eased out. Incidentally, I happened to watch this match live.

Bangalore - 2nd ODI - Pitch report: a dustbowl. Indian slow bowlers have a field day restricting Saffies to 179. Then when India bat, SA fast bowlers absolutely pinned down Indian batsmen by regularly beating both Sachin and Gambhir, even though conditions were good only for spinners and not for fast bowlers. As far as I remember, dustbowls assist only spinners and SA had only Botha as a spinner, and that too he is a new kid on the block.

Calcutta - 3rd ODI - Pitch report: Seaming track almost throughout the Indian innings. Unlike in Hyd where the pitch eased out, Calcutta pitch was seaming throughout the Indian innings. India collapsed to 180 all out.
As usual, when India came out to bat, Indian seamers couldn't make use of seaming conditions (wasn't as seaming in the morning but it still had something) and we lost by 10 wickets. This pitch was very much like Karachi pitch in the 2nd innings, where Pak batsmen destroyed Indian bowlers (and ICHM was saying that pitch has eased out) but when Pak bowlers came on to bowl, they annhilated India and they showed there still was something in the pitch.

Bombay - 4th ODI - Pitch report: a batting track. India won the match.

Now, where do you see India batting well on a seaming track against the Saffies? In fact in the last few years, only Multan ODI comes to mind where Indians did well. That is only one good batting performance in the last few years on a seaming track. What does it prove?

On the contrary, its you who needs cricketing lessons.

 

[James]

Just another game we should have won that we didn't, doing all the hard work and throwing it away, India deserved to win.

The problem with England is that they could easily be one of the top 3 ODI sides if they always took their opportunities to finish teams off, but (especially batting second) they seem to be their own worst enemy.

 

[Rickz]

I'm just glad to see India winning the 1st odi, hopefully India thumping to the oppisitions continues.

I got a lot of stick from my English mates today, being bowled out for 203 today, thinking they would win with ease, but at the end of the day India won, a great fightback from India, good bowling from the spinners, and great feilding by the team, my mates went dead quite when they heard the news from me that england lost, those blushing faces and me just sitting thier and laughing my head off at them. My teacher also went quite for a bit when I broke the news to them.

The series is not over yet, I expect England to come back very strong in the next couple of odis.

India should not be overconfident on this win.

We need Gangs back, he is a better captain then Dravid, he would serve us well as a captain and a odi batsmen.

 

[Tupac]

Why, An Indian can't speak the truth? Can't he believe his own eyes and ears and do an independent analysis rather than believe everything that the Indian Cricket Hype Machine dishes out?

no bud, your welcome to do it. But we've won 5 in a row. We've displayed character and guts. I think it's time to be a bit more positive. Unless your a pessimistic individual naturally.

 

[z10]

For anyone who saw the match, how was Pietersen playing?

good win for India

 

[Oxy]

For anyone who saw the match, how was Pietersen playing?

good win for India

KP looked like he was going to win the game in record time - got caught on the boundary though. Another time, that would been in the stands.

 

[James]

Pietersen isnt in great form. On top of his game he is a world class player and a dominant batsman, but now if he gets a start he rarely turns it into fifty, and if he gets a fifty he never looks like turning it into a hundred. Very frustrating lack of conversion from him.

 

[Easa]

For anyone who saw the match, how was Pietersen playing?

good win for India

Pietersen looked in great form, was middling everything.

 

[James]

He is merely in decent form. It is all very well finding the middle of the bat against everything but a batsman wont get a start every innings, he has to take more advantage of when he does get one.

If he was in great form he would have had some test centuries against India instead of falling short and failing to convert fifties.

 

[jatt13]

i know mods will probably have my behind for this since im the quintessential anti indian but jeeeez.. how do u indians even show ur face if u get whooped in odis too.. it doesnt look too good right now.. man oh man.... talk about major butt whooping.

pointless post....just trying to induce a response and ended up with your foot in your mouth.....its never over....anything is possible....i have learnt that when i went to bed thinking 434 is impossible to chase

 

[Swaraj!!]

It was a butt whooping regardless of the result, wasnt it cartman? Just the wheels came off the English Cart.
Guys , here's an Idea to save some money.....
Everybody let your mouth go during the matches and end up eating your words and putting your feet in your mouth.

 

[Rickz]

pointless post....just trying to induce a response and ended up with your foot in your mouth.....its never over....anything is possible....i have learnt that when i went to bed thinking 434 is impossible to chase

Exactly........I think he spoke too soon, that post made me laugh, he has just eaten his own words. )

I agree that it was a pointless post.

I agree that anything can happen, and its never over till the last wicket is taken and the last run is scored.

Indias thumping evreyone in the odis, hopefully this thumping continues. in the last 20 odi matches India have won 15, lost 4 and n/r 1.

I agree with sp10006, evreyone let your mouths open before the match, and like the Lankans, they ended up being forced to eat thier own words by India.

 

[cornelius]

spoke too soon eh cartman ol boy? heheh....anyways well played india, england really are their own worst enemy.whippy must be so ****** off......

 

[Rickz]

Whippy must be dissapointed, but that does not mean Englands going lose this series, they can still win it, they came back strong in the 3rd test and they can come back strong in the odis aswell.

 

[Rob H]

I said it to my Indian friends that as soon as India got over the 200 mark, England would lose it. The psychological barrier it puts up into our batsmens mind means we always struggle. As Freddie said in the interview though "it's a 7 match series". Hopefully we can win one.

 

[Swaraj!!]

I had mentioned earlier in this thread about England's 20-20 experience.....and how it would help them out. What a crocker of a reverse...makes me think I shd stop analysing and be a simple fan. Instead of helping them out it kinda destroyed them. They just played too too many shots.

 

[jatt13]

I said it to my Indian friends that as soon as India got over the 200 mark, England would lose it. The psychological barrier it puts up into our batsmens mind means we always struggle. As Freddie said in the interview though "it's a 7 match series". Hopefully we can win one.

that could be a problem because india in the last 13 or so matches looked like they could easily score 300 let alone set the 200 as a psychological barrier

 

[samisback]

ok here comes another srinath classic,

ASAD RAOUF the umpire was stood at square leg, and kaif was reffered to the third umpire... so srinath goes : ROOF SENDS IT UPSTAIRS

 

[aggarwald]

no bud, your welcome to do it. But we've won 5 in a row. We've displayed character and guts. I think it's time to be a bit more positive. Unless your a pessimistic individual naturally.

I give you proof of your lies (about India playing well on seaming wickets against SA) and this is what you have to come up with? And you must be dreaming if you don't think that this Indian win was a fluke. Except for Gerant Jones, all other batsmen got out to poor shot selection where they tried to sweep away Bhajji. Let India be in a similar situation again and they will lose 99 times out of 100. Don't get too excited by this act of generosity of the English of gifting the game to us in a platter.

No thanks, but I don't need your condescending attitude.

 

[samisback]

declared

457 is the target!!!!

 

[samisback]

make that 458 to win

and good morning aggarwald, how you doing?

 

[aggarwald]

make that 458 to win

and good morning aggarwald, how you doing?

Very busy. Just strolled by this site for a few minutes and saw that there were a few mischevious kids prancing around. Even had to admonish one, as you can see above . Besides that, I am disappointed with Pak bowling in 2nd innings. Lets see what Pak batting does now.

 

[samisback]

Very busy. Just strolled by this site for a few minutes and saw that there were a few mischevious kids prancing around. Even had to admonish one, as you can see above . Besides that, I am disappointed with Pak bowling in 2nd innings. Lets see what Pak batting does now.

he he he he, hope they got the dose they were waiting for

i accedently posted on this thread and yeah pak disapointed not with their bowling so much, but with the batting in 1st innings but you never know with pak either 50 all out in the 2nd innings or 458 (latter being wishful thinking

 

[Tupac]

I give you proof of your lies (about India playing well on seaming wickets against SA) and this is what you have to come up with? And you must be dreaming if you don't think that this Indian win was a fluke. Except for Gerant Jones, all other batsmen got out to poor shot selection where they tried to sweep away Bhajji. Let India be in a similar situation again and they will lose 99 times out of 100. Don't get too excited by this act of generosity of the English of gifting the game to us in a platter.

No thanks, but I don't need your condescending attitude.

never claimed we played well on seaming wickets against SA, although the first game was seaming around. Tendulkar was not out in that game, given caught behind to Pollock, and the ball seamed around till the 20th-25th over. If you remember, Yuvi was in pretty early...I have highlights of that game.

Poor shot selection. Did you think that perhaps maybe it was because of the pressure we were building up on them? That maybe Bhajji and Yuvi got together and bowled great line and length. Pathan had already set them on the backfoot with two quick strikes. I definitely will say that the English lost this game more then we won it, but credit deffo must be given to the Indian bowlers for not giving up. We are developing this confidence,....grit, and a will to never, ever give up. What more could you ask for from a team?

 

[James]

We are developing this confidence,....grit, and a will to never, ever give up. What more could you ask for from a team?

Not to try and hit Shaun Udal out of the ground twice in an over when you're already 7 wickets down...

 

[Tupac]

Not to try and hit Shaun Udal out of the ground twice in an over when you're already 7 wickets down...

we'll try and keep that in mind bud. Pieterson missed his breakfast this morning cuz of the shot he played...i hope you make sure he gets his lunch and an afternoon nap.

 

[James]

Indian fans, so easy to crank up...

 

[Tupac]

well bud, we'll just have to see the cranking up after the end of the series!

 

[aggarwald]

Indian fans, so easy to crank up...

Why didn't Eng play Hoggard? Are they resting him? And is Harmy ruled out of ODIs completely or he might be available in the middle of the series?

 

[James]

Hoggard is regarded as a test specialist to be honest. He only gets in the ODI squad if there are key bowling injuries, like Flintoff or Harmison, and even then he is unlikely to be picked. Fletcher usually likes the ODI bowlers to bat a bit and Hoggard can't bat - that would have been a factor as well.

All that said, it was suprising to see Kabir Ali get in Tuesday's XI ahead of him but Kabir took 4-40 or something so you cant complain.

Harmison is out for this series of one dayers, he isnt being risked, to give him the best chance of playing in the Sri Lanka test matches.

Also England will probably lose this series convincingly now, maybe winning 1 or 2 games? Getting India out cheaply in the first match was a good effort but in the doomed run chase, the SWEEP SHOT OF DOOM!! was our downfall yet again...and yet again Fletcher came out and defended the frequent use of the sweep, despite the fact its just cost us another game.